The Real Report - Joseph Sikora on Tommy Egan in Power Book IV: Force, working with Tom Cruise & Michael Jordan, 50 Cent Giving Back

24 Jun 2026 · 1 h 16 min · 35 chapters

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In short

Joseph Sikora discusses playing Tommy Egan in Power Book IV: Force, how he built Tommy’s energy, and how the Power universe evolved into spinoffs (including Force). He also shares stories from working with major Hollywood figures (Tom Cruise, Michael Jordan) and from his music/hip-hop connections, including 50 Cent’s support and 50’s “giving back” mindset.

Guest backgrounds

Joseph Sikora is an actor known for Tommy Egan in Power and for TV/film work including Ozark (he mentions the “dick blown off” reference), plus appearances on NYPD Blue, Grey’s Anatomy, Criminal Minds, CSI, Prison Break, Lost, and Jack Reacher. Rob Markman is the host, a hip-hop/media figure who references working with Sikora on Power-related content.

Key claims

Sikora based Tommy partly on Dutch Schultz (Beer Baron of the Bronx) and on Chicago street “vibration” from people he feared/respected. He says Ghost’s death was necessary as a “martyr” to keep the franchise/spinoffs alive. He argues Force’s early season felt less “Tommy” due to Chicago backstory inconsistencies, later improving with Gary Lennon’s return. He credits 50 Cent for believing in him and for empowering actors.

Notable examples

A near-violent Chicago dinner incident where people recognized him as “Tommy” and tested whether he’d run; his first Power filming memory in Queens (Woodside) with Tainos playing Dominoes; his 1989/1990 Michael Jordan commercial experience at age 13; and his relationship with Kay Slade (rest in peace) and collaborating with Millsy on a track.

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Joseph Sikora's Intense Encounter

1:00 to 1:21

Joseph Sikora shares a harrowing story from his life in Chicago.

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Joseph Sikora's Intense Encounter

2:24 to 4:10

Joseph Sikora shares a harrowing story from his life in Chicago.

“And they're like, they're like, you know, and then two girls came around the corner.”

Meeting Murda and Hip Hop Connections

4:14 to 6:04

Discussion about Sikora's early experiences in hip hop culture and his relationships.

“Yeah, and I'm driving up 8th Ave and I just seen him walking.”

Growing the Power Franchise

6:08 to 11:00

Sikora reflects on the Power franchise's evolution and relationships with co-stars.

“Rob Markman, Yeah, this is the real report.”

Character Development and Final Seasons

11:01 to 14:00

Insights into character development, particularly around the show's conclusions.

“We see Michael Rainey turn from a kid to a man on that show.”

The Legacy of Tommy Egan

14:00 to 18:03

Learn about the character development of Tommy Egan in the Power series and its impact on viewers.

“I didn't know it was ghost, but I did know that it has to be a martyr for the thing to live on.”

The Tommy Chain and Audience Connection

18:04 to 18:44

Discover the significance of the Tommy chain and how it resonates with fans of the show.

“Well, yo, bro, you the hood favorite, man.”

Getting the Spin-Off: Force

18:45 to 19:34

Hear about the experience of getting the spin-off series 'Force' and its initial challenges.

“Now, how did it feel when you found out you was getting your own spin-off force?”

Producing the Right Story for Chicago

19:35 to 21:48

Understand the complexities of accurately portraying Chicago's culture and history in the show.

“and this is nothing against the ghost show, which I enjoy and was a fan of.”

Production Delays and Audience Frustrations

21:49 to 24:02

Explore the reasons behind production delays for the Power series and the impact on its audience.

“and I can't even remember this third season especially I kept thinking and this feels like power.”
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Michael Jordan: A Childhood Encounter

24:03 to 25:49

Listen to the guest recount a memorable encounter with Michael Jordan during his childhood.

“You know it's the question we gotta ask, Merck.”

Cultural Insights and Culinary Adventures

25:50 to 28:00

Learn about cultural experiences and the unique culinary dishes encountered during travel.

“And thank God for my mom, because I just wanted to get in mischief in high school, but my mom kept paying the dues.”

Crazy Hotel Experience

28:00 to 29:02

Listeners will hear about a wild hotel experience and personal connections.

“I think it was a rich car hotel we were staying at.”

Memorable Roles and Tom Cruise

29:32 to 30:29

Discover Joseph Sikora's experience working with Tom Cruise in Jack Reacher.

“So these are some things I didn't know about you.”

The Challenges of Acting Today

30:30 to 33:18

Sikora discusses the complexities of acting in the social media age.

“McConaughey is another stellar actor and also just a great guy, great person.”

Being Recognized as Tommy

33:18 to 35:09

Explore the impact of being recognized for his role as Tommy in Power.

“I don't think Murda ever play a rat, though.”

A Close Call in Chicago

35:09 to 38:25

Hear an intense story from Sikora about a close encounter while in character.

“and somebody's just like yo Tommy or like it's like You know, I'm rushing somewhere and somebody's like, yo, Tommy, come here.”

50 Cent’s Impact on His Career

38:25 to 41:19

Joseph Sikora shares how 50 Cent influenced his acting career and opportunities.

“He told me a million years ago that there's somebody that I won't even name any names.”

Upcoming Projects: Reasonable Doubt

41:19 to 42:01

Learn about Sikora's new show and his transition into different roles.

“like you know when he gets to like he's like a kid he loves art and he loves he loves his he loves music i don't i never met anybody who loves music more than 50.”

Character Journey and Public Perception

42:01 to 44:54

Joseph Sikora discusses how he is perceived as his character Tommy from Power and the challenges of breaking out of that image.

“Shout out to Len, her husband, who was just like, when they were looking for this character.”

Life on the Road and Podcasting

44:54 to 46:41

The hosts talk about their experiences while traveling and podcasting, emphasizing the chaotic nature of their lives.

“And he was like, yo, he gonna talk to the volume people from us, so it was crazy for an enemy to turn, you know, to get me.”

Life on the Road and Podcasting

47:56 to 48:29

The hosts talk about their experiences while traveling and podcasting, emphasizing the chaotic nature of their lives.

“This is Tab Ramos from Inside American Soccer, And this summer, Topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination.”

Directing Aspirations and Influences

49:37 to 54:24

Sikora shares his dream of directing a Chicago graffiti story and discusses his favorite directors and experiences working with them.

“I just Chicago just had this I mean obviously that's where I grew up and and started bombing.”

Chicago vs. New York Pizza Debate

54:24 to 56:04

The hosts humorously debate the merits of Chicago and New York pizza, sharing personal anecdotes about pizza culture.

“Rob Markman, Oh, is it a black sheep album?”

Pizza Preferences and Memories

56:04 to 57:20

The hosts discuss their favorite pizza spots and personal experiences with pizza.

“And then everybody, you get the little corners.”

Train Experiences in Chicago vs New York

57:20 to 59:00

A comparison of experiences on public trains in Chicago and New York, highlighting differences in the environment.

“No, I mean, sometimes I'm like, I'm sorry you have to work here.”

The Golden Era of Hip Hop

59:00 to 1:01:00

Discussion on favorite rappers and the influence of the golden era of hip hop music.

“I did some, my name and then I did, I put up MC Search because I was, I had done his podcast or something.”

Hip Hop Culture and Inclusivity

1:01:00 to 1:03:40

Exploration of hip hop culture, its elements, and the sense of community and inclusivity in the past versus today.

“Yeah, and his second, his follow up album was dope too, To The Rescue.”

Social Commentary in Hip Hop

1:03:40 to 1:06:00

Hosts reflect on the social messages in hip hop music and its representation of life experiences in the community.

“Yeah, but I think you're doing it for something.”

Struggles in Pursuing Dreams

1:06:00 to 1:10:01

Joseph Sikora shares his personal journey and struggles in the acting industry, emphasizing resilience and passion.

“It was just like, I don't know, just nostalgia.”

Struggles of Pursuing Dreams

1:10:01 to 1:11:34

Joseph shares challenges faced while chasing his dreams, including financial struggles.

“And this is your passion, you're trying to achieve your dream as well and things just not working like that.”

The Trials of Broadway

1:11:35 to 1:13:38

Joseph discusses his experiences and fears while working in Broadway theater.

“Because Broadway, like we New York City.”

Advice for Aspiring Actors

1:13:39 to 1:15:48

Key insights from Joseph on what it takes to succeed as an actor in the industry.

“Season three of the power show was the first time after that event that I felt like I didn't have stage fright like crazy.”

Navigating Social Media

1:15:49 to 1:17:54

Discussion on the impact of social media on mental health and personal connections.

“With auditions, when people are like, oh, this should be an offer for you, Joseph.”

Upcoming Projects and Future Plans

1:17:55 to 1:19:56

Joseph reveals insights into his upcoming show 'Reasonable Doubt' and more.

“Yeah, you disappeared off the ground a little bit.”
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3:16And they're like, they're like, you know, and then two girls came around the corner. They screamed, ran away. And then the driver goes, and I'm just standing there just like, just staring at these guys. And it got, the driver just goes, man, I told you Tommy was that. And I told you Tommy was that. And Tommy was that. Yeah. They wanted to see if he was going to run. I told you Tommy that. And he said that because you didn't run? Yes. And I was just standing there like, you know, basically shitting myself and like, you know, They just look like cold. I'm just like going through like, God, I hope this bullet goes through me.

3:48I hope I can call my wife. How, like, where is it going to hit? Like, I ain't 50. Don't hit me nine times. Just once is a good enough. You need to get stabbed. Shut the f*** up. Okay. Bro, bro. You can't get movies with. Oh, f***ing rebel.

4:02Tony Yayo:Yo, bro. All right. I'm not going to get out of here. I guess I don't want you to. Fuck out of here. I'm not going to get out of here. I'm not going to get out of here. I'm not going to get out of here. I'm not going to get out of here. You know when I first met Murda, it was, do you remember this? I was driving on 8th Ave. With my man, Cali. Yeah, and I'm driving up 8th Ave and I just seen him walking. I was like, yo, Murda. And he's like, oh shit, Tommy. And I - Word, that's serious. That was like season two of the Power Show. See, that was the beginning. That was like, yeah, that was the early stages.

4:40My man, Cali used to always tell me he was riding you around. I'm like, yeah, you ain't riding no fucking time. You're riding, you really put other, oh shit, you really is riding Tommy around. Real shit. I still remember that. That was very murder. That's when I knew you knew about hip hop. Cause that's when you started talking to me about all types of shit, rest of peace, K slave. Oh yeah, man. And all that. That hit me so much harder than I, cause it's like, I became, obviously became friends with him because of the power show, but like, he was like a hero to me because of the graffiti, you know, because he was des i mean he was like original you know tmt he was he was one of the best and he credited me to get for getting him back into graffiti look at that and he and then you know then i would do his videos with him and blah blah blah but like he was just such an inspiration and then when he i did that song with millies and um uh uh who else was on that oh yeah he was rampant right yeah because he was like he's like yo i'll have i have one of my young boys write you you write your verses.

5:37I said, no, no, no, I'll write my own verses. And then I heard these guys and I was like, yo, hey, zastavto. Pirate. Zostavto. That means leave it. Zostavto. Yeah, zastavto. Shaday. Nadu. Nadu. Stoy. Dobrochopak? So? See, this is

6:00Tony Yayo:what I talk about. You gotta get a dog. See what I'm saying? See, they listen to you. This is what I'm gonna get in social media, gonna rob a bank for Rob Markman, come on bro. We got Joseph Sikora in the building. Rob Markman, Yeah, this is the real report. Rob Markman, With his dog Pirate. And we talking about Kay Slade, the relationship you had with him. Rob Markman, Rest of Peace and Kay Slade. Definitely. I think when he passed, I think you was reaching out to everybody. Rob Markman, Oh my God, yeah. Rob Markman, I think you reached out to me or somebody. There was something. Rob Markman, Yeah, I hit you up.

6:26I mean, because I was hitting up Renee, like what's up with Slade? And Renee's like, man, I haven't heard from him in a minute. And his brother like wasn't getting, you know, necessarily getting back to people. and we had just, I just seen him too. I just seen him because we did that cut with Millie's and man, Pirate, Harch, you wanna come over here? You. They know I'm not a fan of dogs like that and my man Joseph decides to bring his dog on the show today.

6:54Tony Yayo:Shout out to all the dogs, I got three dogs. He decides to bring his dog to the show today. You wanna get up here so just to show everybody who you are, come on, Hush. You wanna get up there? Hush. Oh, there you go. I love this dog pirate. Got anything to say, buddy? I don't got no problem with the train dogs, you know what I'm saying? My man Joe got him under control. Joe got him under control. So, yo, we got to hear his verse on that, because I'm trying to... Millsy. Didn't we just have... We just had Millsy on the show. Shout out to my guy, Millsy. Millsy, he's dope, man. That kid is spit. Nah, dope.

7:24Super. That's my guy, man. He came out to the Bronx. We were filming the Power Show, and he came out just to say what's up, like season three. with season three when I run over the guy, you know, in the red car. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And Millsy came out. And then I looked him up. I was like, man, this guy's fresh. I just remember one of my things was the most powerful in power with the powder. I'm like power steering. The gear that I'm clearing is clear to the ceiling. I'm so nice with these bills. I'm so nice with this gear. These dollar bills is catching feel.

7:56Tony Yayo:Talk that talk. Yeah, Delico. Who do you think is better? Him or Ghost. Remember when Ghosts was rhyming? We run very differently. Yeah, I'm going to go with Joseph. I'm going to go with Joe. Yo, but Joe, I know you come from Chicago and playing an intense character like Tommy Egan. Where do you get that energy from? Like, how do you prep before you? I mean, a lot of it is like the prep work that you do just from being an actor. Like, I tried to base him a lot on Dutch Schultz and read a lot about Dutch Schultz. You know, the Beer Baron of the Bronx, Arthur Flagenheimer was his real name. He was just he was a rowdy dude.

8:34But also there was the humanity. There was this story of like when Lucky Luciano was creating the commission, the five families, he embarrassed was just because Dutch Schultz was late to this meeting. I remember. Did you watch this movie, the Dutch Schultz movie that they had on him? Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, me too. I like that. I mean, but he was ruthless. He was. That he would have rags that were soaking in gonorrhea, like gonorrhea water, and he would hang guys upside down on meat hooks and wrap it around their eyes, which is intense. But then he was so sad that he cried in a meeting in front of these other gangsters because he got embarrassed from Bucky Luciano.

9:13And then also how he got killed was he was killed in Newark and he was at a restaurant and he went and he was taking a shit. His man. Albert Anastasia from Murder, Inc. And shot him on the toilet. and they left thinking he's dead. Shotgun, boom, shot off. And he pulled up his pants, crawled back to his seat and died drinking his beer at the table. I was like... What movie was that in too? He hated his name, right, Arthur? Arthur Fleigenheimer. That's why he named Doug Schultz. But look, Doug Schultz was in that.

9:46Tony Yayo:What was the movie with... You know what I'm talking about. I watch it all the time. Doug Schultz was in it and... Which one? Black Actor, man. Rob Markman, oh, you talking about the Harlem movie. He wasn't in the Harlem. Rob Markman, he don't know what we talking about. Rob Markman, what was the one in Harlem though? With Bumpy Johnson. Rob Markman, there you go. Rob Markman, I never seen a Dutch Schultz movie, but the Hoodlin' movie is what I knew Dutch Schultz for. He died that same exact way on that. Rob Markman, oh, so they got it from him. Rob Markman, yeah, they got it from that movie, but that scene.

10:25There was some of that, like, that's like, I wanted that feeling of Tommy. But then it's like, I also, you know, played around in the streets in Chicago. And I based Tommy a lot on the guys I was scared of. Like, you get into those situations and like these guys that are just, you know, you guys, I know, you know. It's like, you get into that room and it's just the air is different. The vibration is different. And then there's that guy. And you're like, man, don't piss that guy off. Laugh at his jokes. Make sure that everything runs smooth. And I was like, Tommy's going to be that guy. So that's how I played Tommy.

10:59Tony Yayo:That was your first day on set. Because when you look at Power, we put it up there with The Wire, Sopranos. Y 'all had a long run. Some of the best actors. We see Michael Rainey turn from a kid to a man on that show. It was like, what, eight years? Yeah, it was eight years of a run, six and a half seasons. And Fifth called it out. Season one, he said, this show's going to run for seven seasons. And he was right. I mean, it ran for six and a half. So technically, that last season is seven. It ran. And I don't know if he had that in his mind beforehand or if it was like contract, whatever it was.

11:30I just was just like, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. How long has the whole power universe been going on? We started, people got cast in 2013. So 13 years. 13 years. We were in November. We'd be like 8, 10. So it's 13 years. 13 years. Yeah, and the first season or the first shot that was ever filmed was me and JR, who played Julio. And we were in Queens, Woodside. And it was Anabals. It was the Tainos in the back playing Dominoes. And we went back there. I still remember that day. It was just great, you know? It was a great day. I still remember it like it was yesterday. Look at that.

12:19Look at that. Perfect Storm, but a great cast. Omari Haruk was amazing as Ghost. Yeah, Ghost. Come on. Everybody loved Ghost. Yeah, Sinh Kua Walls I thought was great as Sean, you know, Kanan's son, 50s son. Sinh Kua Walls. You know what I always wanted to ask you, right? Like, you see how Michael and Giovanni, like, how they cool. Did you and Ghost ever have that off-camera relationship like that? Like, outside of work. Did y 'all have a relationship like that? Well, we're a lot older, you know what I mean? We're both married. Yeah, I'm joking. He has a family. He had his daughter and then his son.

12:51And I think, you know, he was busier in that way. Like, yeah, we hung. And we did a lot of the, we talked a lot. I think that we did more, I think, and I don't know what Michael and Gianni did in terms of character development together. But we talked about the characters a lot. And we went to Southside a lot. And just went, you know, up and down different streets and picked out, okay, this is the chicken spot they went to. This is the Washington Post they went to. okay, Tommy probably lived here. And so we did a lot of that together and then talked about just more about work, I guess. Got you, okay.

13:27But we hung a little bit, but he's a busy guy. Oh, right, got you.

13:32Tony Yayo:So fast forward to 13 years later, right? Yeah. How did you feel? How did Ghost feel? And how did everybody on set feel when they knew Omar was going to die? Like, what was the feeling of that? Oh, when Omari was going to die, when Ghost was going to die? Because Omari's alive still, so thank God. Yeah, definitely. but when ghost was going to die, I, you know, I would say this. I think that, you know, I don't want to put words in his mouth. I, I, I'm not, I don't know how he felt. I felt like, Hey man, somebody's got to die. I didn't know if it was Tommy. I didn't know it was ghost, but I did know that it has to be a martyr for the thing to live on.

14:06Jesus had to die. So the religion could live. You know what I mean? Like the power show had to have this sacrificial lamb in some sort of capacity so that the subsequent spinoffs could work. I still have no idea why mine was called Force But that was dope No, get out of here It reminded me of The Police or Star Wars I see what you're saying It's also every other one is named after a person You got Ghost You got Kanan And then you got Force I was like, what is this? Nah, but it's still Rocket That was my joint, man The show was good or got good seasons two and three, not just because I produced the second and third season.

14:50But that might be the reason. I'm just saying. Might be the reason. Might be the reason. Might be. Don't be modest, man. A little bit more creative input never hurt anybody at this point. After you're doing something for a decade, you're like, I might know what I'm doing here. Maybe no. But also, I was working with Gary Lennon at that point, who is my brother. And I just think the world of him, he's one of the most incredible artists I've ever worked with in my life, Gary Lennon. He's a great one, boy. He's great. Now, with the first power, I always wanted to know, was your character supposed to last that long?

15:21Or was it that you started killing shit so much that they were like, oh, we got to write him in a little bit more? You'd have to ask fifth. I think it started, you know, it was definitely Ghost was the lead, the lead, the lead. Yeah, because it felt like you started coming like it. But then it kind of transitioned that it was a two-hander. You know what I mean? You'd follow the Tommy story and then you'd follow the Ghost story. And then, you know, I think the streets like Tommy because it was like - Of course. Come on. He didn't have no chill, but Tommy didn't give a fuck. Tommy didn't care.

15:50Tony Yayo:You was the perfect drug dealer. Know what I'm saying? Like, it's like - Because he wanted to be a drug dealer. Yeah. If you wanted to be a drug dealer, it's like, yo, he knows what he's doing. Kid stay in school. You know what I mean? Kid stay in school. I'm just saying, on the show, you was the perfect drug dealer. You went ghost. It was like must-see TV. Like, one thing for me I always say about power, anything that can make me run home, Sopranos, The Wire, Power, Snowfall, Godfather Harlem, like those was like, yo, I gotta go home and watch you guys. And then seeing how like it come from the beginning to 13 years later to now the Origins is coming, it's gonna make it past 13 now, right?

16:30Tony Yayo:Rob Markman Oh yeah, for sure. For sure. I mean, just in terms of when Origins comes out, it's probably going to take a year and a half for that anyway. So it's going to take forever. Charlie's going to be a 30-year-old man by the time they're in season three. Shout out to Charlie. My man Charlie, Charlie Man. Yeah, shout out to Charlie, man. It's so crazy, man. The legacy is crazy. Talk about Ozark, too, because me and Murda was just talking about that. Ozark was fun. And when I auditioned for that, the casting director asked me what I had been doing for the last five years. Because, oh, you haven't been around.

17:06I said, I'm doing a show called Power. She's like, oh, are you a superhero in that one? I was like, no, it's a show that's on stars. I'm a gangster. I'm kind of a superhero. Anyway. You actually are a superhero to some people. But this is after the Power show. Power was out of the way. Yes, correct. And so I auditioned. Were you surprised that she didn't know already that you was? I was. I was. But it was, Fifth said it too. He said, it's going to take white people five years to catch up. Gotcha. Like anything out of the black community. That's crazy. Look at that. It's going to take people five years.

17:40And he was right. He was right. Look at that. Five years. It was like everybody started watching Power again. Look at that. You know, you go to different places. You're in the middle of Ohio and somebody's just like, oh, yeah, you tell me from Power. I was like, yeah, actually. Mainly it was white people who would say, white people would be like, oh, you're the guy who got his dick blown off in Ozark. I'd be like, yes. and then it would be like black and Latin people would be like, hey, what's up, Tommy? Got you. Tommy, you good? Yeah, I'm good.

18:06Tony Yayo:Well, yo, bro, you the hood favorite, man. Everybody love you. Everybody love power. Everybody love what you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Coming from the hood favorites, I'll take that. Make sure y 'all like, share, and subscribe. We got the biggest actors on our show, bro. Speaking of, Speaking of, if you want your own little piece of Tommy, man, go to my Instagram and in my bio. That's right. You get your Tommy chain right there. Make sure y 'all get that Tommy chain. Make sure you get that chain. You know, when he got that chain on, some gangster shit is about to stop playing with my man.

18:40Tony Yayo:But also, you're protected. You're protected. That's right. St. Christopher. There you go. You know what I'm saying? You're protected. Miraculous medals. Now, how did it feel when you found out you was getting your own spin-off force? When you found out, oh, shit. I was happy, but it took a long time. And I have to, because I'm a fan of the Ghost Show and I'm a fan of Raising Canaan. I love Raising Canaan. Raising Canaan. That was my favorite. Raising Canaan. I love Raising Canaan. I would like to watch the Uncle Marv show too, because London Brown is amazing. Body, yes. And he's a hilarious comic, but he is an incredible actor.

19:13I directed episode three of season five of Raising Canaan. Oh, that's right. I'm in direct. He's crazy. Yeah, yeah. There we go. Okay, there we go. There we go. You guys are going to like it. It turned out really good. So I really like it. I was happy that it came out. I was also, again, it was like waiting and waiting because I was like, to be honest with you, and this is going to be slightly controversial, and this is nothing against the ghost show, which I enjoy and was a fan of. But I was just like, why is this show? The Power Show was a show about two brothers, and one of the brothers died.

19:47And then it was like, let's wait two years before this. And it was just like, it was just a lot of waiting around. So I was very happy. But then also because I didn't produce that first season of it, it felt like an ill fitting shoe. I felt like it didn't totally feel like Tommy. It didn't. I'm going to be honest. The first season didn't a little bit. Yeah. It did. So and I think that one of the things that was the mistake was when we got Gary Lennon coming back, who is born and raised New Yorker from Hell's Kitchen, whose brothers were gangsters, you know, and and all that. like that's Tommy and what they didn't was it's like I'm from Chicago sure but Tommy's not exactly and then when they had Tommy like oh but then Tommy they were saying some stuff in some of the lines where I was like wait wait because they were like oh Tommy would vacation in Chicago or something I was like how they had no money and then like Tommy lived remember that when he shows the picture to Kate he says this is when we lived in Flushing before we moved to Southside Jamaica like this is where Tony Terrescia and Abby he's like so we had this whole backstory that was kind of getting conflated so it was very difficult because I care.

20:53Of course. Because I love the character and I was just like oh man but like we can't and then also just in terms of the gang history in Chicago just didn't feel totally right to me in the first one. And then when Gary came in Gary's like well alright talk to me. I said first off Chicago is the third most populous Mexican population in the world. And the Mexican gangsterism in there is huge. I didn't even know that. Also, it's just like, also the diversity within black gangster culture in Chicago is vast. Yes, yes. And not everybody is just like, yeah, bro. Yeah, yeah. They're like, I'll kill you.

21:29You're not from my block. You know how it goes. It's like, we can't have this kind of kumbaya type thing. Like, let's, I would always say Chicago is a real place.

21:38Tony Yayo:Right. Let's show Chicago. And I think that we got there in a big way. And I think Gary had to kind of shrink a world to expand the world. And I think he did. and then we got real and I can't even remember this third season especially I kept thinking and this feels like power. It was. I feel like it ended a little too fast. I know we should have had a fourth season. Like god damn I feel like it ended too fast man. Because we got our footing and then it was like Because there was so much drama now like the brother just died like oh now it was about to now they really want to kill their ass. How good was King Kilo?

22:09Great. It was like man I thought that's it should have kept going. Big Baby Big Baby brought it I was so impressed He did. He committed He did those big things I mean, I was like, go get it, Glenn. He didn't really be in jail. It's all maces. I know. I know. I felt terrible for him. I think he's home now. Yeah, thank God. I think he's home now. But yeah, it all maces. It was good.

22:29Tony Yayo:For the fans, too, we hate that space. Like, you have shows popping, and sometimes Star just give it that space. Like, you're waiting so long. Well, think about this. Between second and third season of the Power Force show, it was 22 months. So, almost two years. Yeah, he was complaining about that. Yeah. I mean, he was complaining. I was like, yo, it takes so long. I'm not gonna lie like, yo, they taking too fucking long, man. They taking too fucking long. You taking too long. So what was the reason like that? Why you taking 22 months? I got to ask the boss. Ask Fifth. I don't know. I don't even want to pontificate because it doesn't, it doesn't, I can't make any sense of it.

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23:03So it's just not. Because most of the episodes is already, it was already done. Like it was already shot. We were locked and loaded for a long time.

23:09Tony Yayo:But Mark, it's not the only show because Godfather Harlem did the same shit. It take long. Oh, sure. And even think about The Sopranos sometimes. like some of those seasons took a long, long time too. So it's something that I can't talk about because I don't know. Yeah, me neither. It just annoys the fans. Fifth will probably know. I think it's more of a production thing, if anything, because a lot of other shows are doing it too, like I said. Time slots or, you know, there's a lot of, not to say another G-Unit thing, but the power of the dollar, you know what I mean? It's like that's really what it comes down to.

23:45How can we say to these people, to this publicly traded company, which Stars is, how do we make it make sense? The best way for people to make money on the money they invested. I'm sure that plays a part, too. I've always been grateful to have a job. Definitely.

24:01Tony Yayo:Shout to Stars, man. Y 'all did a good job with Power of the Force, Canaan, DMF. The list goes on and on and on. Tony Yayo's favorite, Outlander. Yeah, definitely. Outlander. You know it's the question we gotta ask, Merck. What's that? You shot a commercial with Michael Jordan as a kid. Oh, Michael Jeffrey Jordan, baby. Look at that. Shout to Michael Jordan, man. We need some sneakers up here. We definitely do, Mike. Come on, Mike. How old was you and how was that? I was 13. It was 1989, I think. And maybe it came out in 1990, the commercial. But I was this beautiful blonde haired boy going, It is Michael Jordan And I just remember him being And you know at 6 '6 like you think about all the players now Like 7 something Like you know 6 '11 And all that Michael Jordan at 6 '6 You know granted I was small now Not that I'm I'll never be tall but He just seemed impossibly big And so like just lanky And remember this was This was Jordan 89 So it was like it was before the before everything kind of exploded, exploded.

25:12But it was amazing.

25:14Tony Yayo:Was it Like Mike commercial? Like Mike? No, no, no. It was like Mike. No, I wish it was that. But this, man, that was ridiculous. That was before that commercial. It was before that. This paid for a lot of my college, that commercial. Oh, look at that. Okay, look at that. And my parents. So I have been an actor. I'm about to turn 50. And I have been an actor since I was 10. So for almost 40 years in the business. Damn. Come on, Sean. Damn. Come on. That's some noise, man. That's dope, man. That's dope. And my mother, when I had to join the Screen Actors Guild in 1988, so I have been, will have been in the Screen Actors Guild for 38 years, too.

25:52Look at that. And thank God for my mom, because I just wanted to get in mischief in high school, but my mom kept paying the dues. And so it's because of my mother that I have a decent pension. Look at that. Look at that. Thank you, mom. Thank you. Shout out to mama love. Shout out to mama love. Shout out to mama love. What language was you talking to the dog though? The Polish. Polish. Yes. You from Poland? No. I'm from the USA, baby. That's your parents. Yeah.

26:22Tony Yayo:What's our favorite part of Poland? I would think there's a lot of parts of Poland. Poland was a nice place to go. I heard you guys love Poland. You were in Warsaw and - I love those. Warsaw. Warsaw. Did we go there too? Krakow. Krakow. Krakow. We went to Krakow. We went to Warsaw. name another one. Gdansk? Did we go there? I don't remember that one. But I remember Krakow and Warsaw. Woosh? Maybe. Yeah. I heard that name before. I heard that name before too. Somebody mentioned it. It's spelled, it looks crazy when you spell it because in Polish there's the L with a slash through it because there's no W.

26:55I think we did go there. It's called, it's pronounced woosh. So it's, and then O with a slash is a U. So it's woosh. Like DZ makes a J sound. And you're like, oh geez. And what was the dish?

27:05Tony Yayo:What they eat out there in Poland again? I forgot what kind of special dish they got. Rob Markman - They got a lot of stuff. You mean like pierogies or you're talking about - Rob Markman - I think we had pierogies before. Rob Markman - Gowomki. Rob Markman - What that look like? Rob Markman - There's a cabbage rolls. Rob Markman - We had some kind of food out there. I think, I know pierogies. We had that, but it was some kind of food out there. Rob Markman - You know these guys, the food specialists, the smoked - Rob Markman - Oh man. Rob Markman - I mean, I mean - Rob Markman - Yo listen, when you go to Germany, like I went to Germany, I went on, what was that?

27:32Tony Yayo:maybe last year on my own tour, and they had currywurst there. You know, it's - Rob Markman Oh yeah, I've had currywurst, but I mean, that's probably a more modern one because they wouldn't have had tradition. They wouldn't have had curry in Germany until recent times. Rob Markman That's what I'm saying, but it was bugging. It was like got the curry powder and everything on it. It tastes hitting like curry. Rob Markman And where did you guys meet up with my brother? Rob Markman Saudi Arabia. Rob Markman Saudi Arabia. Rob Markman I'm not gonna lie to this hotel I've been out there. That hotel was like a house.

27:58Rob Markman Oh yeah. Rob Markman I mean, it came with a butler and all type of stuff too. that hotel room was crazy. Yeah, that hotel was crazy. I think it was a rich car hotel we were staying at.

28:05Tony Yayo:It was crazy. It was too much room. I had a big conference room. We had kitchens. Yeah, it was so big. It was like crazy. Crazy. It was sweet. Oh man. And my brother is the, just so you guys know, anybody else in there. Just say that to your brother, that's my guy. Alvin, Alvin, that's my guy, man. Just got off the phone with him a little while ago. That's the extended party. Yeah. And then you guys also meet up with him in Czech Republic, I think. We did, yup. Exactly, yup. And he hooked us up too with some, yeah. Yeah, we did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the guy. That's the guy. Shout out. Yeah, it's the Talk of New York, Tony Ayo.

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30:41Tony Yayo:imagine Tom Cruise saying Tony A or Uncle Murder but you ain't hear the best part he said about that he's with his wife so he's with his wife for him to go hey TC for him to turn around and you would be like Sakura You know what I'm saying, baby? Like, you know? McConaughey's like that though, too. McConaughey is another stellar actor and also just a great guy, great person. Yeah, a genuine guy. Got you. Yeah, Tom Cruise is definitely on the list of people to meet. Our last time we met DiCaprio, we was amped up. Felt like we was in Departed, Hadlow. Yeah, he definitely has Hadlow looking like - Yeah.

31:16Tony Yayo:Shout out to Barry. Shout out to Leonardo in Italy. That's a fact. I love the travel, man. That's one of the best things, man. Yeah, you guys, the world tour, man. You guys are the Passport gang. Passport boys, you know that. We outside. All them shows we named, how do you, is it, you feel like, like how do you prep for those like different characters? Because I come from the theater. So you just prep the same way you do every play. You do the research. You read the thing. Then you, it's so funny. I was at a show at the Steppenwolf Theater in Chicago. And it was, I used to wear this. This is people, I'm going to catch flack for this.

31:52it's a stolen valor moment for me which is embarrassing but i would wear my uh dad's friend's navy peacoat real navy peacoat because then you could get in free with the so i didn't have any money to go see these shows that like steppenwolf or goodman and stuff so you could go see the veteran shows but one of the things this guy said which it's it's acting is so much more complicated than this and yet it is this simple and he said hey can you tell me more about acting because it feels like you just get up you just say the lines and then be that guy and I was like some of that shit is true if you can just say the lines and then just but the being that guy the complicated part turn into that character and really commit so some of these young people that you're interviewing like Charlie and like Gianni I feel not bad for but I feel like ah I wish I wish they could have had acting before social media like I got to because it's like you risk you can be you could have been way more risky and now you're at the place where it's like, yeah, of course, everybody thinks I'm Tommy anyway.

32:52But it's like he, you know, you have to be like, you have to risk that people are going to be like, that's really this person if you're a rat or if you're, you know, like, you know, a terrible person. But it's like that's what the role called for. So you commit to being that guy. And I think now it's a much more difficult waters to navigate of, like, this guy being like that, you know, really diving in. But also that set me up to be Tommy. Nasdrovya.

33:24Tony Yayo:Nasdrovya. He said Nasdrovya, the dog sat down. I don't think Murda ever play a rat, though. He'd be like, no, I can't do that. He'll turn down. Well, you know what? I mean, during the Tommy role, like, I didn't want to play. I wouldn't play any rats either because I understand what perception is. I wasn't going to play a crooked cop necessarily or this or that. There were certain roles I'm like, ah, it's not the right time for that. Got you. But there are, and especially like the old gangster guys, like from the Soprano stuff, then they're like, no, no, I'll never play a rap. I can never play a rap.

33:52And I get it. I can get that. Like you're never going to do this kind of role, never going to do that kind of role. I get it.

33:57Tony Yayo:So - Rob Markman Yeah, people in the streets will want to knock you out. Because I think people - Rob Markman I don't even think they want to knock out, but niggas just use that against you. Like they were like - Rob Markman No, but in the streets, people, they're not calling him Joseph, they're calling him Tommy. Rob Markman They're calling him Tommy. You better believe - Rob Markman How do you feel Rob Markman How do you deal with that though? Rob Markman How do you deal with that though?

34:14your actual me. Here's what the boss said. This is what 50 said. He said, look, I'm not saying you got to be Tommy. You don't have to act like Tommy. You're not Tommy. But when people call you Tommy, think of it like this. They're paying real emotion. Like what they feel about Tommy is real.

34:31Tony Yayo:Right. So, and if you say, if you tell them how you're stupid, that's just fake. That's like telling somebody that paid real money into a bank. The bank is fake. but I paid real money but it's a fake bank then they're going to be mad so you legitimize them by saying you'd be like hey Tommy and be like hey I played this role so well that they're so invested that they want me to be Tommy and you just say thank you and it ain't that hard so was it a time that it did it did it annoy you was it a time it never annoys me unless I'm like if I'm also a human being if I'm tired and I don't feel like being Tommy and somebody's just like yo Tommy or like it's like You know, I'm rushing somewhere and somebody's like, yo, Tommy, come here.

35:14I'm just like, no.

35:16Tony Yayo:No, I felt like that with Ghosts. Like, I felt like that was his mistake because he was a killer in a suit. We were so used to Ghosts and you and we just wrapped up in the street. People, yo, Ghosts, Tommy, that's all they're going to call you in the street at that time. And then he made that conscious record. My name, Who Killed Ghosts? He was break dancing and had the beads on his neck and was like a conscious rapper. I was like, nah, man, because people look at that character. Yeah, but you got to affirm people. They say, they're saying, I love you. Right. Basically, you know, like tough guys in the street.

35:48What's up, Tommy? And you're just like, what's up, man? Got you. You know what I mean? I got you. I feel you. It's really a gangster like that.

35:55Tony Yayo:Because that's what people are really thinking. You want to hear a crazy story? Uh-huh. First season of the Power Force show, I was in Chicago, and I was just having dinner with Mark Canton. And he's like, take a cab home. I said, nah. And I was looking like Tommy. He had just had the fresh cut. I had a leather coat on, black shirt. I'm walking in downtown Chicago, but like nice, super nice area, like probably the Gold Coast. Car pulls up on State Street, and I just hear, yo, what's up, Tommy? And the passenger side and the passenger side back seat, both two young bloods pulled out pistols. Did you?

36:31Yep. And I just, I was just like, immediately went through my mind. I said, I was thinking, you know, a million thoughts really fast. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to get shot. Fuck, I hope the bullet goes through me. I hope I can call my wife afterwards. But I'm sitting there just dead staring at these guys. I couldn't totally see the driver except he had a green baseball cap on. And they're like, you know, we saw time. Then two girls came around the corner. They screamed, ran away. And then the driver goes, and I'm just standing there just staring at these guys. And the driver just goes, man, I told you, Tommy, was that.

37:06I told you Tommy was that. Tommy was that. Yeah. They wanted to see if he was going to run. I told you Tommy that nigga. And he said that because you didn't run? Yes. And I was just standing there like, you know, basically shitting myself and like, you know, just. But they think you're looking at the point you're talking shit. Cold. I'm just like going through like, God, I hope this bullet goes through me. I hope I can call my wife. How, like, where is it going to hit? Like, I ain't 50. Don't hit me nine times. Just once is a good enough. You know, like, so I'm thinking like that. They said this.

37:33And then right before they took up, the one kid in the passenger side said, we fuck with you, Tommy. And I was like, you know, I know there's cameras around there. They was like, pull out the blicks and let's see if Tommy runs. He ain't fucking with the show no more. I like that. I was like, hey, Shy Town, you got me. Not that I like that. I just said I like that, but I like how it played out. Yeah, me too. You said you like that he didn't run? I like that he didn't run. I like that they didn't take it extra far. Rob Markman That car was so close. I was like, there's nothing I can do. If these guys are gonna fire, they're gonna fire.

38:10But that's how wrapped up people get caught up in the character.

38:14Tony Yayo:We still call Lorenz Tate old dog. Rob Markman Yeah. Rob Markman Because that's a classic movie. Power is a classic show. So you're gonna always be like, yo, Tommy. It's a classic. Like you said, it's on all these networks now. You can see it on what? Netflix now? I think it was on. It's on Netflix UK and Netflix Ireland. And then it's like on a million things. You can get it on Amazon. You can get it on Hulu. It's all over the place too. All over. Yeah, but it's... 50 Cent Action TV. There you go. 50 Cent Action TV. Fifth's doing it, man. Fifth's doing it. It's funny. He told me a million years ago that there's somebody that I won't even name any names.

38:52We'll all know everybody's talking about. I said, why is this person's thing? It's never achieving success. He said, because this person thinks they can do it all themselves. And he goes, I hired the best people. So like, FIF is also incredibly empowering in the way that like, he always was, like, believed in you as an actor and would always be like, you know, like first season, man, you're killing this, bro. You're killing this. You're killing this. Keep doing it, man. Like, you know, like, it felt good. Like somebody who I believed in, believed in me. So, you know, that was -

39:26Tony Yayo:Yeah, because everybody thinks they could be an actor, but you've been doing this shit your whole life. Yeah. Talk about your early life of going to theater and your mom supporting you. Oh my God, my mother drove me to all these auditions. It was like, I went and did a play in a suburb called Lake Forest. And later in life when I hear people saying they grew up in Chicago when they grew up in Lake Forest, I was like, I can just remember, it's going to take us like 45 minutes to get to Lake Forest. And I grew up, I only grew up a couple of miles from the suburbs, but it's basically like where I grew up would be somewhere, you know, It would be like Queens, but then all of the lake forest would be somewhere like it would be like Greenport, Long Island or something, you know, like way out there.

40:09Anyway, it was a lot. It was constant. It's 40 years of never having a real break. Like I keep threatening to like take time off where I'm not thinking about the next job. I've never not thought about work or the next job or the next thing for 40 years of my life. Constant rejection. and I also like I'm not a great looking guy you know you know what I mean like I'm I'm fine looking and I'm like my old manager said this she said look let's I'm gonna I'm just gonna I'm just gonna call it out you're a seven but you're sexy's a 10. I love that shout out Myrna Jacoby but she was she's right I mean I'm not I'm not like a super handsome guy but I'm a great actor and because I commit fully and I work hard.

40:53And thank God it paid off at some point. Because the Power Show, people are like, why did you take the Power Show? I'm like, because the check cleared. Are you crazy? What the fuck are you talking about?

41:02Tony Yayo:He said the check cleared. Word. The check cleared. Shout out to 50. Yeah. Shout out to 50. 50 was always a great boss. He's been an incredible person. Nothing but love. And he's really smart. And he likes stuff. like you know when he gets to like he's like a kid he loves art and he loves he loves his he loves music i don't i never met anybody who loves music more than 50. like all the stuff that you know when you just be sitting around the g-unit offices when we were on 40th yeah and just just at the time like three hours the same time hold up hold up let me put this little bitty thing out here like this all right let's listen to this guy everybody just you know surviving it was fun yo we love to work over here can we talk about the new show man uh oh a reasonable doubt yes Can I just tell you the showrunner of this show, Ramallah Muhammad Hunter, is she's a unicorn.

41:56She is outstanding. She's a brilliant writer. She's an amazing person. She had the faith in me. Shout out to Len, her husband, who was just like, when they were looking for this character. And he goes, what about Joseph Sikora? And she said, she even said this to me. She's like, who? He's like, Tommy from Power. She's like, oh, yeah. He could be great. That's crazy. And that's funny because in Brooklyn, I get a lot of people that start, you know, they're like, Tommy, Tommy, I like you as that lawyer. You're up to something, but I like you as that lawyer. So it's always going to be Tommy, which I don't mind.

42:29It's all good. But it's like, Fifth said this once. He's like, Joe, you're always going to be Tommy. He goes, if you win an Academy Award, somebody's going to be like, you know, the one where Tommy plays the doctor.

42:39Tony Yayo:Yes. That's crazy. That's crazy. Because you can get stuck in character, but he's not stuck in character because he's doing so much other stuff. Of course. But 13 years of a show. Hell yeah, we don't remember Tommy. 13 year run. Tommy Dog, by the way, is over there scaring some people. Yeah. Pirate. He's scaring our production team back there. Pirate. Shadai. If you scared a pirate, I don't know what's going on with you. Nadu. How long you been a dog level four, man? Stoy. We're going to get murder a dog, man. What kind of dog would you get if you got a dog? A Pipple? Definitely not. No. Oh, really?

43:14No, man. Pirate. I got to get something little. French. Really? Yeah, I heard. Well, what about the pirate? The pirate's little. Pirate is too big. Pirate is too big? Yeah. No. Pirate look a little too big. Shut up. No, he's like 45 pounds. Like, do pirate leave hair around the house? Oh, look at this. And I wear black. See, I was telling you, I said I don't like the hair, I don't like the dark smell in the house. I don't like none of that stuff. Oh, I wanted to ask you guys this. How did this come about? Just because you do a million podcasts?

43:44Tony Yayo:I mean, you know, They was laughing at me - Rob Markman - The Podcast King over here? Rob Markman - We was on a jet. They used to laugh at me. Why you doing Vlad? Why you doing Vlad? Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - Why you doing Vlad? And fast forward. Everybody started copying the Yayo format. Now Murda's on Vlad. Whole bunch of rappers on Vlad. Rob Markman - Hold on. Let me finish talking. Rob Markman - He think it's the Yayo format. Rob Markman - Let me finish talking. Go ahead. Rob Markman - Look. Everybody, I was doing Vlad. Everybody was doing Vlad. Even Uncle Murda. Uncle Murda would never did Vlad.

44:12Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - Shout out to my man, Vlad. Now Vlad is his best friend. Now Vlad is his best friend. I'm not mad. No, shout out to Vlad. Shout out to Vlad. I never did Vlad either. You never did Vlad either, yeah? Now, Uncle Murda and a list of rappers are doing Vlad, and then a list of rappers are doing She and His Sharp, and then they want to do Breakfast Club, but Yayo just kept working for three years. I learned to work like 50. So now I'm executive producing a movie called Lake George. Make some noise for me. Yeah, Lake George. Let's make some noise for my brother, Yayo. Let's make some noise for my brother, Yayo.

44:41I gotta make moves, man. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

44:44Tony Yayo:And then fast forward, you know, we sat down with Fat Joe. I think we was in - Shout out to Fat Joe. Shout out to Fat Joe. Shout out to Jada. And Jada, Netflix. Shout out to Breakfast Club on Netflix too. And we was talking, where was he at? Belgium or something? We was in Germany. We was in Germany somewhere. And he was like, yo, he gonna talk to the volume people from us, so it was crazy for an enemy to turn, you know, to get me. Oh yeah, yeah. And then, you know, me and Murda, we always - That was the biggest beef. Definitely, yeah. Fat Joe beef was crazy. They would've caught me. they would throw me in the trunk or something like that.

45:13Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - Oh man. Rob Markman - You know, that's what they - Rob Markman - I would have felt bad for that trunk. Rob Markman - I got you over the trunk. Rob Markman - I would have been good, man. I was a wild boy back then. Like I was number one on hip hop police list back then. Rob Markman - Before Lil Wayne. I was number one. Curly Top, he know who he is. Everybody knew Curly Top. We had one police man called Superman. He was tall. He'll pull you out by your belt. He knew everybody's name. Like hip hop police, they still got them now. That's why you see all these rappers in jail, because they take all this intelligence on hip hop, preferably.

45:45Rob Markman Yeah, no, disproportionately of like using an art as a weapon, you know what I mean? Rob Markman Definitely.

45:52Tony Yayo:But rock stars ain't shooting each other, rappers are awesome. Rob Markman That's fair. Not a whole lot of them. Rob Markman That's how they look at it, like, you know what I mean? So that's how they look at that, man. Rob Markman That's true. That's true. But now, are you a civilian now? Rob Markman No. No way. Rob Markman No, no, no. He won't take that civilian title. I'm not a fucking civilian, that's right. I don't know why you're pointing at me. We are not civilians. I just said you not a civilian. Listen, Pirate, are you a civilian? Pirate is a civilian. Yeah. Pirate is a civilian. Pirate is a civilian.

46:18Tony Yayo:That's cool, Pirate. Murda was scared like Pirate wasn't a civilian. Nah, I'm cool. Yeah, I'm scared. Pirate was a cool dog, I'm not gonna lie, man. He's got a look, he's got a look. I was a little upset when I walked in here, and I'm like, yo, he really got a dog in here? Nah, look, now I'm gonna bring my dog in here. My bull is like probably 120 pounds. Bro, that's a big dog. That'd be an episode he'd be doing by himself, ladies and gentlemen. I won't be here with no pit bull. Bro, from the show last night to this drive, why is it never chill? Because this is our life. Backstage, on the road, it's loud, messy, real.

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49:26Tony Yayo:Now let me ask you What would be your five Your top five directors That you would like to work with Right? Yeah And what movie What type of movie Would you want to direct Well you directed things already But what would be one of like What kind of movie Would you want to direct With a big budget And a big film Oh man I mean so many films I would like to direct I'll tackle that question first But I would like to tell A Chicago graffiti story And partially because we all know that graffiti started right here in NYC and listen all love to Philly but this is the birth of graffiti. I just Chicago just had this I mean obviously that's where I grew up and and started bombing.

50:09Also had some great times bombing here in New York and and shout out to to so many of the South Bronx guys that I got together with and Tats crew guys who let me paint and their train in the back with Yves Rivera. But a Chicago graffiti story that would take place in the late 80s, early 90s, my era. Just again, the graffiti squad, those particular cops. Beach Street. So you watch Beach Street and all that back then? Of course. But it's mainly the Style Wars, the documentary that came out in 83 featuring K-Slay, featuring Des. Oh, look at Des. And Scene and Cap and some of these just amazing characters was so influential.

50:49We would literally watch that on a VHS tape before we would go do missions every time and just get an inspiration from New York. But because Chicago graffiti is so immersed and based on gang culture that it's just a little bit different. We had to have a guy, shout out Fat Fred, because I know he'll watch your podcast. Fat Fred, shout out to Fat Fred. Yeah, from the South Bronx. He changed Chicago graffiti in the way that like New Yorkers were like, no, no, no, we don't have it. Because in Chicago, if you write something backwards, you know, it's flipping the gang. It's like you put up just per se if you're like, you know, this would say Simon City Royals and underneath backwards you say Latin Kings because it'd be like, you know, you don't want kings in this hood, blah, blah, blah.

51:30And so Chicago, the graffiti would play by the same rules as that. You know, you would have basically the same guys in a gang that you had in a graffiti. You know, and a lot of gangsters like from different gangs and different sections. This could be a whole other show. Could be on the same crew. But like they would be fighting gangs. This is still back when we had nations in Chicago with folks and people and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it would be it's so I think the inner workings and the whole warriors aspect of it, of something in Chicago like that at that time and would just be that would be something.

52:00And you'd need a budget. It'd be something that I would love and I would love to do. some of my favorite directors that um i would ever want to work with uh one director that i would want to work with again is chris mccrory who directed jack reacher he is he's just mainly because he's fun like i don't care i don't care about and marty scorsese who i got to work with on shutter island and then boardwalk empire and marty was great again because he was nice though too and he i was in the the pilot episode i was han schroeder that's where i'm that's yeah Oh, that was my shit. Yeah, yeah. Do you remember the first one?

52:37You guys can, everybody can Google that. You're my man, Joseph in Bulwark Empire. That's right. That was a fun show. But again, he's a nice guy. And it's like, I don't want to work with anybody because they're like, oh, this guy's an amazing director. I'm like, I'm 50 years old. I don't care. I want him to be nice. I want her to be amazing. you know i want them to be a good person that's what i care about and you because you can be all of those things and that's definitely a tom cruise thing like he's amazing at his craft but he's a good guy it's like fifth i i i've put fifth in that category you know he's he's somebody who's accomplished more than most but he's still like he's still a good guy like when people people have fifth and they're like oh king of petty and king of this yeah he's got time of course but also So people don't see him being kind with little kids, people with disabilities.

53:31He stops the line, stops it. I've been there at bottle signings where he's like, what's that person waiting? Go get that person. Bring this person up here and give so much love. What 50 has done with G-Unity is not talked about at all. I don't understand why more is not made with what he's given back to not only his community in an urban environment way, but also just across board. Like, look at what he did to Ukraine before the Ukraine war. He was donating money to all of these impoverished places in Ukraine and getting the love back from these students who he's changed their lives. So it's people like that that I want to work with because there's enough incredibly talented people, but I want to work with the people who are cool.

54:17And I never met Chris Columbus, but I'd like to work with him too. Like a lot of his movies as well.

54:23Tony Yayo:Rob Markman, We got a segment where we do this or that, right? Rob Markman, Oh, is it a black sheep album? Rob Markman, Nah, I mean, you know, black sheep. I know your hip hop. I know your hip hop. But it's like this or that. Rob Markman, So I know you was born in Chicago. Rob Markman, I didn't even know about this. Rob Markman, Look, I know you was - Rob Markman, This is the first time we're doing this this or that. Rob Markman, I don't even know about it. Rob Markman, I just made it up right now. Rob Markman, Oh, okay. I'm about to say, because you said - Rob Markman, We did it a while ago. Rob Markman, We did it a while ago.

54:46Tony Yayo:It's about to be. It's about to be. I guess it's a new part of the show. No, I got to ask him. This or that? Because he's from Chicago, but he's from New York now. Now, whose pizza is better, Chicago or New York? Oh, my God. Well, hands down, New York. I mean, it's not even a competition. Oh, shit. Thank you. New York City, baby. Okay. New York City, no doubt. But in Chicago, what people don't understand is that deep dish is more of a touristy thing. And it's not like you don't order a pizza pie and you're just like, let me get a deep dish. It's like, especially if you grew up in the city of Chicago, you get a thin crust.

55:21And what we call them in Chicago, we call them a tavern because, you know, we cut them in squares. And what that came from, the origin of that was that Chicago pizza pies, I believe, were cut in triangles in Chicago until after the war, the Great War, World War II, the Second World War. Anyway, the Great War, I guess, was World War I. But anyway, when the guys came back, you had to serve food with your drink, with alcohol. So they would have these little ovens in taverns and bars. And you'd slide in a pizza or you'd make a pizza. You'd slide it in there and then you'd cut up in squares so a lot of people could have it.

55:58It's also called family style. So you order a pizza on Friday night if that's your pizza night with the family. Boom. And then everybody, you get the little corners. I always like the little tiniest corners. But that's a good pie. Like, I love my wife is from Jersey and, you know, she's just from you can see Manhattan from her backyard. So, you know, she's right there on the border of Lyndon and Elizabeth. Anyway, it's like I brought her to my favorite pizza joint, thin crust. I said, what do you think of that?

56:25Tony Yayo:And she's like, I was like, such a such a New Yorker response. Margaritas, baby. My two favorite spots in Queens. I'm going to say, well, three. I'll say margaritas, Gabby's, and now cuts and slices. Those are my three spots. What about you, Murr? You ain't got no favorite pizza spots? I like margaritas. I say margaritas. It's a spot that we used to have. You're not from Queens though, you're from Brooklyn. I'm from Brooklyn. Name's somewhere in Brooklyn. Yeah, but listen, see, I shot people in Queens too before. When I was on the run, I hung out in Queens for a while, and I used to go to margaritas.

56:58And slices, so margaritas was good. It was also a spot in East New York on, what was that on? I think it was Liberty and... Utica. No, not Utica. This was in East New York on Liberty and Lincoln. There was a spot over there that had a dope pizza spot we used to fuck with. I don't know the name. It wasn't really a pizza guy like that. Oh, yeah? Yeah, it was cool. I love pizza. Me too.

57:18Tony Yayo:I grew up margaritas, been on Jamaica Avenue for like 30, 40 years, maybe longer than that. Yeah, I love Table 87. It's over by me in Brooklyn. It's a great spot. Not always the best help. You guys can be a little bit, you know. Get better over there. Table 87. Come on. Come on already. It's like. Don't make them turn the time. No, I mean, sometimes I'm like, I'm sorry you have to work here. It's like, I'm sorry you have to make pizza. Get a different job. It's a good pie, but Jesus Christ. Now, do you like, because y 'all trains are similar to ours. Do you like riding the train in Chicago or versus New York?

57:53Chicago trains getting back have gotten so disgusting and so rowdy. This is on, like, this is on my line, which we used to call the O 'Hare Congress. back in the day, but now it's called the Blue Line. And there was this couple, the middle of the day, and I was like, this is not the trains that I would. I mean, there was rowdy shit, but this lady just has a crack pipe in the middle. I don't see as many just outward crack pipe stuff in New York. Mainly I'm in Brooklyn and Manhattan, and I'm not even far Brooklyn or anything like that, and I'm not way up in Manhattan, so I'm kind of the centralized district where I'm.

58:27The rowdy shit happens at the end of the line, as we all know. But I just feel the Chicago trains have just gotten so rowdy, man. New York is one of them trains, too. Yeah, New York is rowdy. When I ride the train, because I ride the train almost every day.

58:43Tony Yayo:In New York, you like it here? In New York. Yeah, of course, here. And I think I like the train system here a little bit better. I only did the yards here one time. And the yards in Chicago, yards here seemed a little bit easier. In Chicago, it just seemed like Fort Knox. and and uh yeah i don't know yeah and this train system is just more you can get everywhere here it's like i took the trains as a kid in chicago because i i enjoyed it but uh here it's like it's just a smart way to travel and case they always used to tell me because i would send him pictures i'd go and i'd do some insides after i had it because he'd get me so hyped he'd be like bro that's a felony don't go to jail put me up man i'm like yeah but i got so excited i did too and mc I also did some tags.

59:30I did some, my name and then I did, I put up MC Search because I was, I had done his podcast or something. He's just, he is the same thing.

59:37Tony Yayo:Third base. Yo. MC Search third base? Yeah. Yeah, of course. That was one of my favorite groups back there. They had some good, they had some bangers, man. The gas face was it. You got the gas. That beat was so hard. I remember when they came out with that. Yeah. That was my joint. You got the gas. We are looking for the Brooklyn. We are looking for the Brooklyn Queens. Who me? Who's some more of your favorite rappers from way back? Because you know. Oh, well, speaking of East New York, J.Ru the Damager. I mean, just like - We just ran to him a while ago overseas. He's still doing shows. Shout out to J.Ru.

1:00:10Yeah, man, but what a dope - You want a buck? What? I'm up of that beat. And he had a ton of crazy beats like that that were like eerie. His beats was different. And it was always like this, I'm like, you know what I mean? Like it was like, I'm going to take you on this adventure. I was like, I'm a little scared, but like I'm down. Who else did I love? Just MC style stuff. I mean, that was just like, I kind of like, you know, that that late 80s, early 90s was so much the golden era. Like you had such different flows. Like somebody like Eric Sermon's rhyming so different than somebody like Q-Tip.

1:00:47Tony Yayo:One of my favorite quotes ever. I mean, just come on, Eric and Parrish making dollars. You're just like, yes. They made me win. I want to do that. Yeah. Yeah, Slick Rick, Dougie Fresh. You had Big Daddy Kane, Eric B. KRS-One, all the BDP guys. Hey man, I love D-Nice's albums. I'm telling you. My name is D-Nice. I remember he was a rapper. Yeah, and his second, his follow up album was dope too, To The Rescue. To The Rescue, Nice, To The Rescue. Remember that one? Yeah? I remember, I remember, I remember. I'm gonna set things up with a freestyle to all you little fighting MCs. Was that on the soundtrack?

1:01:22Tony Yayo:My name is D-Nice on the I'mma Get You Sucker. That was on the first album. Oh, that was on the first album. But that was on the soundtrack. I think it was on the soundtrack, I'm going to get you suck or something like that. Yeah, Miss Melody was rapping. Remember Miss Melody? Miss Melody. Yeah, Kid Capri. Whatever happened to Miss Melody? Miss Melody was out. I don't know. Yeah, she was dope. She was part of BDP. You remember Miss Melody? No. I thought you was a little hug. We saw KRS at the last Essence Fest. It was great. I mean, it was just amazing. but I also we had met KRS a million years ago and we did not I didn't do it but um my crew did it like we linked up crews J4F my crew in Chicago and BDP and these guys civil shout out to civil Matt I love you uh did a did a top to bottom BDP car and he was dope though too just like talking to us way back in the day and then to see him again he was like he was yeah he was he was real you know, lyrical champions.

1:02:20These guys were fresh. And then just to learn that KRS-One, you're like, one, was he a writer? And you're like, then you listen to the rhymes, and yeah, he talks about getting up. Also, Third Base mentions that. We love that because it was like, they had a song called Product, the Environment. It's like a marker in my jacket to tag up where I went because I was just the product of the environment.

1:02:44Tony Yayo:Yeah, hip-hop had more elements back then. You had breakdancing, graffiti. That played a major part back then. Yeah, I always felt like I was part of hip-hop culture. And, of course, I like rap music. But I was just through graffiti. I was like, and also it was so inclusive back then. You know what I mean? It wasn't like you're like this, so that's this. It was kind of like, you know, white, black, brown. I mean, you had to work a little harder as a white guy. You know what I mean? To get credit. You had to show. I mean, but it wasn't like, yo, I have to be the baddest or the toughest or they're this or that.

1:03:16You gotta show up. You gotta keep showing up. Definitely. Know what the fuck you're doing. But it was also just in terms of like, just the different elements of hip hop kind of, kind of it's like, if that was your life, because you guys know like, if you're a graffiti writer, like all of your friends are graffiti writers. That's all you do. And that's all you talk about. So like that was, that's your life. And then you're just like, I'm, I am hip hop. You know what I mean? Or at least you have that as part of your identity, but now it seems harder and more judgmental maybe. Yeah, but I think you're doing it for something.

1:03:44No, he just trying to do this. Yeah, or like, you know, being, oh, you're appropriating culture or like this. And it's just like, I like it. Can I like this? I want to rock it like this. It's like, and like, even New York, like just back in those times, like you guys made your own style. But like style, style, style. Now it's kind of, it's so much more uniform. Like people don't take risks with fashion as much just to rock out on the streets or to do stuff. Whatever the trend is now. Yeah. trend is, they going with the trend.

1:04:17Tony Yayo:Yeah. And it was different back then. It was a lot of positive things in music back then. Yeah. You heard Brand Newbie and they was talking about, you know, the crack man, the crack man, they coming to my dog. I don't smoke jumps, so what you knocking for? Like, it was like - I mean, Poor Righteous Teachers. Poor Righteous Teachers. I always talk about self-destruction. Sure. Where you see the whole industry get together and was, you know, talking about how we was destructing. Self-destruction. That was big for me. Like to see all the rappers as a kid watching that, that was like crazy for me.

1:04:47Tony Yayo:And then the chains and then the eight ball jackets and you know, it coincided with niggas hustling back in the days. You had the Honda scooters and the elites and it was like, damn, you look at rappers and drug dealers like as the same at a point. Because those were our heroes in the hood. Rob Markman Yeah, sure. Rob Markman But the 80s to me, that time of hip hop was crazy. Slick Rick had his own flow. Rob Markman Oh my God, yeah. Well, because he came from, when we learned that he came from England, you know what I mean? And it's like, you know, that whole thing, he almost had that - Just his whole story telling used to have me just like - Oh my God.

1:05:19To me, Slick Rick was the jewelry.

1:05:21Tony Yayo:He set the trend for that crazy, ridiculous jewelry shit. Oh yeah, Big Daddy Kane. Big Daddy Kane, all of them, they had pieces like - Big Daddy Kane is so dope. Nefertiti piece. You know, Eric B had his joint, Rakim, they had they joints, but Slick Rick was always 10 chains. He's still rocking the big chains. 20 chains. I know. Rob Markman, Dougie Fresh. Rob Markman, Dougie Fresh. And it's like Rick talking, I just loved that he was just talking such shit at the Power Force premiere too. He was like, nobody's flossing out here, you know? And I was like, yeah. Rob Markman, he's ridiculous. Rob Markman, That song, when you see me walking down the street, it never gets old.

1:05:55Tony Yayo:That beat, it just like, I don't know, it was just the nostalgic times in hip hop for me. Rob Markman, 100%. Yeah, I just love that. It was a golden era. and all of that stuff just like Zulu Nation and you just kind of had like this kind of interesting inclusivity but also just like I don't know like even like even stuff that was like like black empowerment didn't feel like I can't listen like it's like I know X-Clan wasn't necessarily made for me but I could fuck with X-Clan if I wanted to the black the green they was that X-Clan to the east my brother to the east and you remember the DJ too because like I even say Public Enemy I always remember Terminator X.

1:06:35Yeah, Terminator X, yeah.

1:06:37Tony Yayo:It was just like, I don't know, just nostalgia. And also, it was something like with Run DMC, you're just like, damn, like Jay never even cared about getting credit like that. He was just like, I'm here. Like I'm - Definitely. Yeah, the DJ was such a part of it too. Speaking of which, is my man Chubby Chubbs, is he still keeping the weight off or what? Yeah, Chubby Chubb actually been working out, man. Yeah, I know, I know. We keep checking with each other. Yeah, he been working out real hard. We've been checking in with each other. He's going hard, man. He's going to help his wealth. He's going to help his wealth.

1:07:04Tony Yayo:I'm in the military workout in the morning with 50 Cent. You know how that is. So that's how we his overseas. We see him leave off the road and go do fucking film shit. So that's what people got to understand. Say me and Murda wanna be in a movie, right? Because people always say, yo, how do I get in power? When did they shoot? What does somebody have to do just to get in power or let go to shoot, to scream for apart what do we have to do what do you where do you go to look i know you got an agent obviously well that's the whole thing people ask me all the time like oh how can i be in the background or something like you know i have no idea i don't talk to the background people or like uh the the main thing is that in terms of uh working in the industry is like work begets work begets work i started because i started in the theater and then you do this job and then it's like you these little rolls come through to Chicago back in the day.

1:08:04And then you kind of had to move to either New York or Los Angeles. And I should have just stayed in New York because Los Angeles ate me up and spit me out. And I kept coming back to New York for work. Like I was on a show called Third Watch here. I was on Broadway here. I was in other plays here. And then Boardwalk, finally Boardwalk was the job. I'm not going back to L.A. L.A. hates me. It was too hard. It was too hard. And I hated, I mean, I was poor in New York. I mean, I lived off nothing when I lived on Mulberry Street for years. I would eat the dollar vegetables on a canal.

1:08:45Tony Yayo:What the fuck is a dollar vegetables? Dollar vegetables were these plastic bags in Chinatown, and they would have basically day-old vegetables. Sometimes you open up that bag, it smells like farts. You're like, I'm still eating that food. Dang. And you'd get the day old vegetables and I would get 99 cent dumplings. You get six dumplings. I would have the regular dumplings, six of them for lunch with some sort of the vegetable. And then I would chop up the rest of the vegetables and make a soup and then chop up the dumplings and have that soup. And every other day, every third day, I'd have there was a place where you could get a 40 ounce of Budweiser for$2.49 right across the street from the Tombs on Baxter.

1:09:22And so I would get like that would be that would be my drink. I'd have that and that. I mean, I was skinny mini just doing pushups and living on that. I had no money, but like I loved it. I loved it. It was like - I'm saying, but what made you keep going when you - I'm not sure. What the - I'm not sure. Made you keep going? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I would cry to myself to sleep some nights thinking like, Lord, please, what else can I do with my life? This is outrageous. This is too hard. It's, this is, you know, the, and mentally, you know what I mean? I mean, way more people have it way worse than I had it.

1:09:57Of course, of course. But every man's journey is personal. And so it's like when you're having no money and you're an adult, you can't take a girl out on a date. And this is your passion, you're trying to achieve your dream as well and things just not working like that. I mean, I always was able to, thank God my dad taught me how to put up what we would call drywall, everybody here calls sheetrock. Yeah. So you can put up some - I definitely say sheet rock. You can put up some sheet rock. And I was always able to make money on buying, just buy as much marijuana as I could afford and you just be the guy who's awake.

1:10:32Shout out to the Haid, the Uni-Dispos, the Haid brand. We got a dispensary, 246-01. So whenever somebody mentioned weed on the show, we got to shout out our - You gotta do it. It must be done. And another thing I wanna ask you. Now hold up a back to the story. You were saying like, you were smoking it, you were just figuring it out like. Well you just, I always, since I was a teenager, I was always able to be like, reefer will always make you money. You just have to be available.

1:11:01Tony Yayo:Reefer. Yeah I mean, it's like, I didn't know he always called reefer. It's like, it's like you get it and it's just like. Reefer is what they used to call weed back in the days for people that don't know. Gardening, gardening for you. Gardening. Yeah right, yeah exactly. Gardening for you too. I like that gardening. Those jazz cigarettes. You know, I don't want to really ask you because, you know, I quote a couple of Broadway shows. Like, I think it was Martin Luther King with Samuel Jackson and Andrew O 'Bassett. Like, years ago, I see it was like real good. I've seen that. And I think I just recently like maybe a couple of maybe last year I've seen the Michael Jackson Broadway show.

1:11:38Tony Yayo:How is it working on Broadway? Because Broadway, like we New York City. That's like, you know, I mean, it's it's it's it's it's been a while since I've been. It's been a while since I've been on Broadway. It's been a while since I've been on stage, really, to be honest. But when that is your life, you don't – it's daunting looking back, doing eight shows. Like, I was going to – I was up for a role in a Broadway show that was, like – it wasn't a big role, and it was, like, the play. I was, like, the people who were the leads in the play, I'm like, hmm. And then my agent was like, oh, it could be good.

1:12:10Look, I said, no, no, you go do eight shows a week for a show that you don't, like, love. it's a lot of work it's a lot of time it's a lot of like you gotta want to be there so much it's a lot it's a lot and um i love theater it's it's the best feeling of the world but i got i got stage fright on broadway when i did broadway i had the director during intermission uh yell at me all crazy that fucking show is is this is ruined because of you and the choices that you're making and I was just like, what the fuck, Jerry?

1:12:43Tony Yayo:This is Broadway, motherfucker. And I know. Why the choices you was making? Well, because I decided just on a whim because that's, listen, that's how I played Tommy. I just do, if some shit is in my mind, I'm going to try it. And they had, my guy was a military guy so he's walking down all military and his blues and blah, blah, blah. And first of all, I was just like, this guy's about to go to trial though. And it was very stylish. I'm like, what if I was just like all hunched over and I walked in and kind of slouched in there And I think it just blew his mind that I would try something different.

1:13:14But we were running. Like, the show is running. It's not. The director has to let that show go. The director is the director until you open. And then they come back and they give you notes, you know, during the run. So even though you were pissing them off, he still had to let you come out there. Well, he, I mean, I lost my shit. He yelled at me. I had never. Because this was in 2006. So if you think about it, that was. It took me nearly 10 years. Season three of the power show was the first time after that event that I felt like I didn't have stage fright like crazy. I used to take beta blockers to audition because I would get so scared.

1:13:52Even when I was auditioning for the Tommy roll, I took a beta blocker so my heart rate couldn't get like super heavy. Oh, for real? Yeah, because at first you're like, oh, my, if I take this drug, is it going to, am I going to still be able to emote? or am I going to be real? And it's like, yeah, dummy. It's just you just, you're not going to be like, I'm so scared. Yeah, so, you know, so it was very helpful. But, yeah, it took me over 10 years to get over the stage. And I'm not totally over it. I still get scared. But now I just ultra prepare if I need it. Like I know the lines backwards three times over usually to get the freedom.

1:14:31Tony Yayo:Right. If you had three things you could say to an inspiring actor right now, what would you tell him? don't fucking do it. I would say, I would say if there's anything else you want to do with your life, do that instead. If you have to be an actor, be prepared to dig in. Don't take no for an answer. Say yes every single time until you can say no. You're not better than any of these roles. You are valuable. Don't forget your value. and for the love of God, take some classes. I can't even tell you the amount of actors I've worked with that I'm just like, you're not a great actor. Like, take a class.

1:15:17Got you. You know, like, during the whole Power Show, I enjoyed taking classes in the off season. We even had a Brooklyn Actors Collective with other working professionals in the industry where we would just study scenes or, like, you know, do something so you could do a different role than you're used to playing and stuff like that. It's like a craft like anything. You're not just going to get up on the mic if you're not prepared. You haven't been doing the work. You got to train. You're not going to jump in the ring unless you put in the hours. You put in that road work. You know what you're doing.

1:15:46Same thing with acting. Keep it going. Keep it sharp. Don't say no. With auditions, when people are like, oh, this should be an offer for you, Joseph. I'm just like, what else am I doing Thursday? I'm like, I'll fucking memorize the lines and then be that guy. And let me try. because I just remember especially too you know when you're producing um yeah Jesus is dog finally tired I finally fell asleep ladies and gentlemen yeah I know now I could be myself see what the fuck were you saying Joe? yeah exactly

1:16:21yeah so the main thing is is you put in the work put in the hours and um and you don't say no it's a tough tough industry man I mean, you could be like Ro Timmy and get your first audition that you ever do. And shout out to Ro Timmy. Fantastic actor. Great musician. But it happens. Just like Albin and I, my brother, we started our production company, Black Fox Productions. Shout out to Black Fox Productions.

1:16:47Tony Yayo:Black Fox Productions. We just sold the show to History Channel, but we've been going on for five and a half years. I remember when y 'all first started from way back. Matter of fact, you're right. I do remember when y 'all first started. And it was just like putting money in. And I think it was hard for my brother, harder than me, because it's constant rejection. And people nitpicking and judging you as hard. Because you had him handling most of the business at the time. Yeah, but I'm also just like this. I was just like, this is also rejection is part of this. It's a huge part. The main part is rejection.

1:17:17So you have to have tough skin. And I think like you guys, you know, as artists. Of course. Rejection is. And then people judging you. Even doing this whole shit. Podcasting. People always have something to say, whether positive or negative. Yeah. All these guys. The negativity. Of course. As you guys know, I'm not on social media, except I'm on TikTok, and I don't know how to use it. So that's the only reason I'm on it. And I have other people that run all my other social media. So you don't be on the gram no more? No, but Alvin runs it. All right, got you. Okay, okay. All right, got you. You're not tired of the gram.

1:17:46He's in acting mode, man. What do you mean? No, I love the gram. I just got addicted. Got you. And I felt, and I got - I remember me and you used to be chopping it up a lot. I know, yeah. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, you disappeared off the ground a little bit. And then I locked myself out of Twitter, X. I locked myself out. And you can't get back in anymore. Like, there's not humans to talk to. I was like, yo, this is really me and this and that. And I was like, I've been locked out for like a year.

1:18:11Tony Yayo:You say, yeah, this is really me. You know, get it together. You know, I must get it together, man. No, I must get it. You're not going to let me back on. But and Facebook, they do a good job on the Facebook. But it's like, I'm not on any of that stuff. but it's different because I feel like young people feel like I have to be, and you kind of do so I'm glad I have the following I put out stuff on IG that would not be anywhere else so if you want the real behind the scenes stuff you gotta go on IG to get it from me but I'll give it to the sources to put up there because I know how to play the game but also it's like, I read comments I feel like, I don't know how to not read comments and then I get sad and it's like when people talk such shit and I was just like I'm from the 90s I want to meet up with this guy

1:18:57yeah people people like this people like to talk people like to say a lot of you know like you know like I just I I don't I don't know how to like fifth figured it out he knows how to get people for you know like and get under people's skin I I get I get my feelings hurt and then I get like if I get mad I get mad and then it's just like oh it's Joseph Tommy I was I fuck around and find out right now. Come looking for your ass, man. You heard that? You know what I mean? It's like all y 'all trolls done got my man off of fucking social media for them stupid ass comments. But he really doesn't care

1:19:31Tony Yayo:because he's in all these movies and TV. That's right. I don't. And I got a good marriage and I got a good dog. That's right. Real life is better than social media. Amen. That's right. So tell them about the show. What you got coming in the future? I got Reasonable Doubt. It's going to come out season two. Ramallah Muhammad. She's amazing. The best show. Guys, watch Reasonable Doubt. It's a great show. Make sure you watch Reasonable Doubt. Get one of these chains, man. I need a chain. Can I get a chain for the show? Tell them again where we can get these chains from. You can get these chains. Just go to Instagram, JosephSocora4, the number four at the end on Instagram.

1:20:03And then the link is in my bio. And they're super. I made sure that they're super high quality and they're affordable. I just didn't. Everybody's like, oh, you should charge way more. I'm like, my man, I want people to have a good product that's cool. He might really be on the gram for a couple of weeks if y 'all go get the chain. He gonna really be on the gram for a couple of weeks. I will. See, look, we brought him back to the gram for y 'all. Go get the chain, support my guy, let's go. You know what, Merle? I got a good idea.

1:20:27Tony Yayo:Since we have our giveaways we do, make sure y 'all like, share, subscribe. We gonna give somebody a chain. Maybe two people on a chain. I like how that sounds. I like how that sounds. If you don't get something on my guy, I'm gonna give him away on the real report right here. I like how that sounds. A chain straight from Tommy Egan. That's right. That's right. Joseph Sikora. And I will sign it. Egan, man. Tommy Egan, baby. Tommy Egan. You know the vibes. You know the vibes. Yes, baby. Another episode down. The Real Report. Make some noise, y 'all. Yeah. Don't wake up the dog. Don't wake up the dog.

1:20:57Pirate is sleeping. Pirate. Pirate. Good boy. Good boy, Pirate.

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Joseph Sikora, best known as Tommy Egan from Power, joins Tony Yayo and Uncle Murda on The Real Report for a hilarious and wide-ranging conversation about bringing Tommy to life, his first day on set, finding out Ghost was going to die, getting his own spin-off with Power Book IV: Force, and how 50 Cent helped build the world around the character. Joseph also talks about his hip-hop roots, Kay Slay crediting him for graffiti, Chicago culture, working with Tom Cruise, his wild time on Ozark, directing an episode of Raising Kanan, shooting a commercial with Michael Jordan as a kid, and why New York pizza beats Chicago deep dish. From crazy Tommy fan stories to his favorite rappers, Polish family roots, acting, auditions, and his dog Pirate stealing the show, this episode gets into the man behind one of TV’s most iconic street characters.

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