The Real Report - Roger Bonds on Diddy & Cassie’s relationship, Biggie, R. Kelly’s backstage drama with Jay-Z & freeing his son from prison

22:40You on our show. Because you're loyal. You know what I mean? No question. No question. It's like loyalty is deep, my nigga. Loyalty, when you really sit down and think about what is loyalty, you got a lot of people that say that they loyal you, but can't show you proof of their loyalty. Yeah, you loyal to the dollar. But what if I'm not getting no money? Is you loyal to me? That's true. Facts. So there's a difference between loyal to the dollar and then being loyal. My man couldn't do nothing for me where he was at. But I'm still loyal. I can't forget about the nights that we hung out together, the money that we got together, the times we had together, the times we said, yo, I love you, my nigga.

23:19Facts. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. Like, I love you, my nigga. Like, for real, stop for a second. Times when it was fucked up together, nigga, when we both ain't have nothing together. When we ain't have nothing. Facts. Rob Markman - So when you started speaking your truth about situations with Puff and people, certain people from this camp looking at you like you're not loyal or not whatever, why you feel like they feel like that? Rob Markman - I think because first of all - Rob Markman - What made you even get to that point? Rob Markman - What made me get to that point was Cassie. Rob Markman - Right.

23:47Rob Markman - Right? I used to talk to Cassie first of all. Why you going through this, this, that, and that. But Cassie was the type of person that when she got high, she gonna tell this nigga everything that y 'all talked about. Copy. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Got you. You know, Barnes was asking me why I'm still with you. And then the next thing I got this one, yo, why you all in my business, playboy? Damn, that's crazy. You know what I'm saying? Oh, shit. Look at that. Like, it's times where, you know, we all move around. I don't know how y 'all was moving around, but I would grab all puff jewelry, all puff money, everything else.

24:19You know what I'm saying? That's how we was moving. And it was a time where... one of my homies left a diamond ring on the cabin inside one of the houses. So when I got out to LA, he said, yo, Barnes, can you do me a favor? Get that diamond ring and hold it for me. And being that I didn't leave it, I went and got it, but I didn't have the responsibility the way that I would if I was the type of person that left it. I was like, yo, this nigga left it, I got it. I threw it in my pocket, I put it in the tissue. Later on that day, I threw the tissue away. Oh, shit. But I didn't realize I threw the tissue away till late on that night.

24:53And I said, oh shit. So does the nigga think you stole it? Nah, he didn't think I stole it. Okay. But I lost it, right? But I'm the type of nigga, I handle everything for my own. He got the shit from Lorraine Schwartz. I know Lorraine Schwartz now personally from being with Puff. Right. So I go up there myself. I say, you know that ring? One ring was hear no evil, see no evil. And the other one, hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Right. So this was a speak no evil diamond ring. $13 ,000. Just one little pinky ring, right? I went up there and told her, I said, listen, I ain't got 13 for you right now.

25:26I got two for you right now, but I'm going to bring you one every week. I said, we don't need to talk about this. So she said, this is what I'm going to do for you, Bond. She gave me a see no evil, even though he had a hear no evil. She gave me the ring. So I put the shit back in the safe like it never was gone. Guess what happens? One of these nights that Cassie gets high with this nigga, she runs to tell him, you You know, Barnes lost my ring. Oh my God. So next thing I hear, somebody over the speaker, Barnes, Barnes, pick up the, pick up the, pick up, so I'm in my room, yo, what's up, bro? But why you even go tell Cassie?

26:02Why, huh? Why you even tell her? Because it was her ring. Oh, okay. So I had to tell her that it wasn't a hair no evil. Oh, right, got you. It wasn't a sin no evil, it was a hair no evil. All right, got you. So I had to like, but you really, like yo, listen, got you, okay. Once he wrapped it in, that makes sense. once he wrapped it in tissue, threw it in the garbage. I knew it was an issue. I know he was like, oh shit. But I know at the end of the day, when you hear so many speeches about niggas always stealing, niggas always doing this, niggas don't take care of their own self, you stepping up as a man now, going above and beyond.

26:34I went to Lorraine Schwartz herself. Cause you don't wanna look like you booked, you don't wanna look like you booked, booked him for it. Yeah, I'ma pick up. So at the end of the day, I told him, I said, yo, he said, but this ain't the same, cause he gotta say something now. Yo, my nigga, this ain't the same ring though. I'm like, it's the same ringers. It's just got this. All right. But at the end of the day, I said, yo, Puff. I said, didn't you tell me you tired of niggas depending on you? Rob Markman So what the nigga had? But you had a loud speaker button like, come to the office. Like, what?

27:01Rob Markman Nah, nah, nah. That's how the whole house is wired. Rob Markman What you mean? Rob Markman You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman Intercom, just like in the office. Rob Markman Intercom type shit. Rob Markman Intercom. Rob Markman So you could press one joint and it go all over the house. Rob Markman All over the house. Rob Markman You heard like your bong's gonna pull up on the nigga. Rob Markman, got you. Rob Markman, your boss, somebody at that front gate. You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman, yeah that nigga hit you like the president. Like, Bones get to my office. Rob Markman, yeah or if the nigga say Bones like that, once I pick up the phone, nobody else here.

27:25Rob Markman, Cassie done told again. Rob Markman, no, my nigga it's two o 'clock in the morning. I already know what it is. Rob Markman, oh my gosh. Rob Markman, it's two o 'clock in the morning. We in the Miami house, so the studio's in the guest house. I live in the studio. He in the main house. So when he called me and said, where you at? I got some shorties outside. I'm right in front drinking champagne because he in the house. So I'm cool. Yo, yo, yo, come upstairs. Come upstairs mean come to my room. You in your room with your girl, I already know what she told. You know what I'm saying?

27:53So I walk in there like yo, yo, yo, no. He said, man, go in the safe and get that ring for me. So I went in the safe, got the ring and I knew. I said, yeah. So but it was, nigga, at the end of the day, it's the same ring. It got da, da, da, da, what you gonna say? So he really couldn't say nothing. But that's just to say that everything I did lawyer wise, she always bit me in the ass. So now even when this case came out, there wasn't no other security. There wasn't no other assistant. There wasn't no other nobody in there. And I ain't been with Puff in 10 years as far as being with him every day.

28:26I still was with Serac up until 2023. But being with Puff every day, I wasn't with him. And I tell people, I say, yo, why you think she put my name in that lawsuit? She said, yo, the only person that helped me when Puff was beating me up was Roger Barnes. She said, that's the only person. Now, she dropped her lawsuit in 2024, right? Oh, she had a lawsuit against you? No, no, no. Against him. Oh, yeah. She put his lawsuit in 2024. I left his side 2012. So you going to tell me in another 12 years? Well, another, because they broke up in 2018. You think if he would have paid that nut? Because I heard he told her like Beach Sand or something.

29:05Rob Markman, Nah, he told her 10 million. Rob Markman, And she wanted what? Rob Markman, She said no, 30 million. Rob Markman, Oh. Rob Markman, He thought it was a fucking game. Rob Markman, He was sitting on that lawsuit for six months. Rob Markman, And 30 million ain't nothing for him. Rob Markman, And he ain't tell nobody. Rob Markman, If he would've just paid her, none of that shit would've happened. Rob Markman, None of that shit would've happened. Rob Markman, It would've got swept underneath the rug. Rob Markman, Cause she opened the whole case. Rob Markman, But I'ma tell you what happened.

29:26I spoke to him the day before, right? Rob Markman, But he still paid her though, right? Rob Markman, Huh? He still had to pay her 30 million. What you was about to say though, you supposed to - She got 30 million from him and then she got another 20 million from the Intercontinental Hotel. Damn. Because they the ones that hid the tape all that time. Oh, when he was beating in the towel and all that. So she got 20 million. So she got 50 million altogether. So you spoke to him the day before though? I spoke to him the day before the lawsuit dropped, right? It ain't no secret. Anybody know my son is locked up in Africa.

29:55You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I remember you was talking about that years ago. Yeah, yeah. So - Your son locked up in Africa? Yeah, my son been locked up for murder in Africa since 2010. You know what I'm saying? Since he was, matter of fact, he was 20 years old. He went over there for something else. He got into the middle of some shit that he don't know what he going all the way across seas to get into. And he walked into another person murdering the person that he was supposed to sit down and talk to. But being that he was from America, they said, oh, they the ones that murdered him. You know what I'm saying?

30:27So we've been fighting that case since back then. But I called Puff the day before because I needed$20 ,000 because the lawyer was telling me, I need$20 ,000. Right? So I said, yo, I need$20 ,000. So he said, damn, Playboy, I ain't got it right now. Damn. Right? Now this is what he told me. Now I'm watching you do everything just like everybody else watching. You know what I'm saying? So he said, damn, Playboy, I ain't got it. So he said, but I may need you though. So when he said, I may need you, I said, okay, I've been running this Ciroc shit in Atlanta for some years now. He got this DeLeon shit now.

31:03I said, okay, he must want to get DeLeon because he was suing Diageo. So I said, he must want to get back in the game. Okay, come on. I got Atlanta sewn up. Let's do it. I got the kid, Alex, AG, all of them with me. So let's do it. We're going to sell this shit out. But what he called me, what he said he was going to need me for is because he knew Cassie had put my name in the lawsuit because I told you he was sitting on the lawsuit for six months. But I ain't know nothing about the lawsuit. So then he calls me back. He says, yo, I may need you. What you may need me for? He still don't tell me.

31:36The next morning, his manager, James Cruz, called me and said, yo, Barnes, man, you know your name is in this. I said, my name is in what? He said, Cassie just sued Diddy. I said, yo, this rat motherfucker. He said, what? I said, man, this nigga just told me yesterday he ain't got$20 ,000, but he may need a favor from me because see at first he was planning to take her all the way to the door and then he called me and this is a narcissist again if anybody been around a narcissist he gonna tell me what he want me to tell these people because now the post the post is calling me and everybody is coming who's barnes who's roger barnes who's this so now he's getting back to me so they get somehow they get my number and all that shit oh yeah yeah so he He says, I may need you because she put your name in the lawsuit.

32:25So I may need you to take the stand for me and say, yo, you ain't seen nothing. You seen regular shit. Yeah, we fought. This is him talking to me. Yeah, we fought and everything. And we went back and forth. But you seen regular couple shit. Wasn't nothing crazy or nothing. So I'm sitting there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. I'm like, yo, if you want to get in touch with me, playboy, hit KK. Hit such and such. Yo, if you can't get through me, yo, it ain't nothing personal because the nigga been decking my phone calls now for 10 months. Right. So now you decking my phone call for 10 months, but yet you're going to call me and tell me that you need something.

32:58And now one day yesterday, she called me and said, yo, I got puffed for you on the phone. Buh, buh, buh. So now all this is leading because nothing this nigga do is not calculated. Everything he do is for a reason. I'm going to need Barnes in a second. You know what I'm saying? Just in case I go all the way. So he say, I offered a 10 million, but she want 30 million. I'm not paying that. But then the next day was the deadline for her to drop the case. So she had to put in the case. And then the shit just went crazy from there. But he was expecting exactly what I just said. My loyalty to be to the point where Barnes ain't never getting on no podcast.

33:32Barnes ain't never talking about this, that, and the other. But I tell everybody that worked for him, first of all, y 'all not going to do nothing. You know what I'm saying? So cut the bullshit out. I already know that. You know what I'm saying? Second of all, everybody who was in the middle of some shit is me. You know what I'm saying? I can go back to a time where I seen Yeah Yo and 50 of them, I think we was at the BET Awards. Okay, yeah. Right? And they was about 20 D. And it was nobody but me and Puff. First of all, I'm mad because the nigga made me get suited and booted for this shit. I ain't wanna get suited and booted.

34:11Because when shit pop off, you got me in some slippin' slides. Rob Markman, you got the slip and slides on. Rob Markman, But you know, you Puff, you the, you know, okay, we got to keep it corporate, I understand. So I see, yeah, yo, yeah, yo, like, yo, Barnes, what's up, nigga? I'm like, yo, what's up? We kicking it, boom, boom. Rob Markman, I remember that, yup. Rob Markman, When we get in the hallway, Puff is like, yo, man, I want to snuff that nigga 50. I said, what? Cause him at 50, like, and I tell people this all the time, I'm here, they beef is here. That shit is outside of my pay range.

34:41I don't know what the fuck is going on. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? If a nigga asks you, like, yo, I don't know, nigga, that's over my pay grade. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Because one minute I see these niggas, they speak. Next minute I see these niggas don't speak. I don't know what's going on, so I don't even ask them. But I know I told them one thing this time. I said, yo, if you punch that nigga in the face, do you see how many niggas we got to fight? But that's your man, though. Nigga, that's his man. You understand what I'm saying? And this is exactly what I told him.

35:15I said, my nigga, I said, this is his man. And he said, yo, you right, you right, you right. And later on that day, we ended up talking to Puff. And Puff even told him, Puff was like, yo, my nigga, you got that nigga with you. And Puff was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know, but 10 minutes ahead of time, you wanted to - You mean 50 told him that you got that nigga with you? Nah, nah, yeah, yo had told Puff. Oh, okay, okay. Oh, yeah, yo told Puff. See Puff was in my ear the whole time to get in touch with Ye-Yo. Yo, that's your man. That's your man. Talk to him so he can get it in 50 years.

35:48You know what I'm saying? Okay, got it. I lied to him and tell him, yeah, yeah, yeah. I spoke to him. Ain't nothing, but I really didn't. But this night when that happened, you know what I'm saying? He see you and Ye-Yo in the rack like, yo, my nigga was good and all that. Right. So I'm like, yo, but nigga, that's not my man to the point that he gonna not look the other way for his man. That's like a nigga walking up on you at that particular time. Facts. You know what I'm saying? I can't say nothing to a nigga. Yael gonna get up and do what he gotta do. Of course. You know what I'm saying? So Puff thought about it.

36:16He said, yeah, yeah, right. But then, we go, we go, right after that, we go to Vegas. And I've been seeing this shit circulate a lot with 50 jumped on the stage with Jay-Z and T.I. T.I. I was right there. You know what I'm saying? Oh yeah, that was crazy. Kanye shit. Yeah. 50 just bombarded the stage. Yo, and this is my word. That shit was not, I'm here to tell everybody on here, that shit was not playing. 50 ain't give a fuck. You know what I'm saying? That nigga jumped on that stage and niggas was like, you know what I'm saying? And I forgot the big, bald-headed dude that used to be with him all the time.

36:53Big, bald-headed dude. I'm trying to think bald-headed dude. Back in, we talking 2005, 2006. I remember that 50 jumped on stage. Was that Fred probably? Nah, nah. Big, big dude. about 6 '4", 6 '5". Ball headed. Was it Chris Lighty, rest in peace? Yeah, that's who it was. So they used to be with Chris Lighty, that's what I think? Fuck him for getting his name, rest in peace to him too. Oh he died? Yeah, I think he passed away. Oh yeah, I don't see him no more. Yeah, big dude. Yeah, yeah. I forgot his name, I don't know, I knew him. He was there, you know what I'm saying? And that's why the respect thing comes in with me because whether it's one of y 'all, two of y 'all.

37:30Was it Rich? It was. Rest in peace Rich. Rich, sorry about that Rich. That was like family, I'm bugging out right now. It was, yeah. Big Rich, that used to be with Chris Slayton. Yeah, he was with Chris first. Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was with Chris. Yeah, facts. It was just them two there, you know what I'm saying? And when he did that, and T.I. was looking at him crazy, but what I respect is that nobody could say nothing. You know what I'm saying? That's why when I listen to a lot of people talk a lot of killer shit, a lot of gangster shit and all that, I said, my nigga, at this particular point in time, homie wasn't running with a million people.

38:08You know what I'm saying? So if y 'all really built the way y 'all say, that's where I come from. I come from that school - Rob Markman - Yeah, I remember going backstage and him and Jay, Jay was laughing about it. And I think Will Smith was back there. There was a lot of big names back there. It was like a crazy moment. Rob Markman - And that's why I say the game is so phony. The industry game is so - Rob Markman - Oh yeah, we know that. Rob Markman - Yeah, of course. You know, so the same people that's laughing in my face now, the same people that talk to me now, the same people that talk to me about the book, I read comments.

38:37I see them same people underneath Pop Fitcher. Yeah, you keep doing this. Yo, don't worry about that. Don't worry. But then when y 'all see me, it's a different story. To me, that's a coward. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because if you feel that way about, we ain't got no beef. We ain't got to be cool. You sire with homie about the situation. That's cool with me. Right. Rob Markman But y 'all wanna laugh and joke with him and then come laugh and joke with me, then come laugh and joke. Nah, it's not like that. We gonna build that distance. Rob Markman Because a lot of dudes in the industry are for sale.

39:04Rob Markman No, it is for sale. Rob Markman They for sale. Rob Markman That's how you never know if somebody gonna line you up. Rob Markman Yeah, when they come home, they like, yeah, take this 10, take this 20. Rob Markman I still get some money with him, man. So let me play it cool. I can still get some money with him when he come home. Rob Markman Yeah, definitely. Rob Markman There's gonna be a lot of dudes that do that. Rob Markman Yeah, but I tell people all the time, man. And I said it the other day, man. Puff gonna have a lot of fights when he come on. He gonna have a lot of fights, man.

39:26Because there's no way, form, or fashion. You could tell a nigga, yo, B, you could come at a nigga like you really want to fight or you really want some beef. And I know you've been playing with nuts on your chest. Like, I can't. Pause. Pause. Pause. Go facts. Go facts. They might not say it in front of your face, but as soon as you walk away, that's the conversation that they gonna be having. Facts. Yo, be who that nigga think he is. Be that nigga. It's the same way if you win it. I don't know how he live in the jail. You know what I'm saying? But it's the same way. If he was the average person that went in jail for what he went to, you know what I'm saying?

40:03You would have a lot of problems because, nigga, you like big black whatever, whatever. Facts. You know what I'm saying? So you would have that type of problem that he probably not going through because he puffed. But it's going to always be niggas whispering behind your back. or niggas that like niggas and I ain't gonna lie, Puff is the type of nigga that will fight. He ain't playing with them guns, but he gonna fight you all day long. You know what I'm saying? I used to have to try to tell him yo V, why you want that? Niggas ain't fighting. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like nigga ain't gonna want to fight you.

40:33Them niggas got niggas niggas. You know what I'm saying? Alright. But that's a true story. You know what I'm saying? And I tell people that story all the time. I say yo homie And I don't mean to talk about this on y 'all, on your platform, man, but when I heard that shit about Black Cox and all that shit, Paws, I remember one time, man, and this is in the book too. Okay. Yeah. Bonds, Loyalty and Lies. Make sure y 'all get that. Life did almost kill me. We was in Caesar's Palace in Vegas one night, right? It's just me and Puff. So I got my room, he got his suite. He calls me, yo, what you doing, nigga?

41:14Because sometimes I just go venturing. You know what I'm saying? I said, no, I'm in my room. I'm waiting on something. He said, no, come over here, yo. That niggas gave me a two-floor room and all that shit. There ain't nobody over here but me. Take a room upstairs. So I said, cool, fuck it. So he said, but yo, I need you to do me a favor. I said, yo, what you need me to do? I need you to go to sex store for me, yo. So, you know, I go to sex store here and there, so I don't mind. I'm like, all right. Yeah, for sure. Cool, nigga. You know, we used to go to the joint hustler on Sunset. You know what I'm saying?

41:46Let's go. But he like, yo, now I need you to go to the joint. But I need you to go get me something. I'm like, what you need me to go get you, nigga? He said, I need you to go get me one of them extra big black joints, right? Rob Markman, oh man, pause, pause. Rob Markman, pause, right? Yeah, yeah, pause. So he said, so he said Shorty that's coming over. So he told me Shorty. So I been knew who Shorty is. I'm like, damn, she coming? He said, yeah, B, that bitch like, that bitch like Big Black, you know what I'm saying? So - Rob Markman, pause again. I ain't wanna say, you know, you call all these bodies and shit.

42:18I relate to certain niggas that put all the work in and shit, but certain shits just need some pauses. Yeah, yeah, pause, pause, pause. I know, yeah, I'm here, yeah. We're here to pack it up. Big black joint, Paul. So I'm like, so I go in the joint, and I get the joint, so I come back and get the joint. I know you felt wild buying that shit, though. Nah, yo, nah, I'ma be real with you. Go in there and buy that shit, nigga? Nah, I'ma be real with you. That shit ain't even bother me. Nah, nah, nah, buying that joint ain't bother me. To be for real with you. Cause you know you wasn't entertaining.

42:48Cause I'm not. Just me going to the store buying that shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you might feel like that but - I can see if you sent me to buy some pills or something, but that shit? Like yo, get the biggest dildo you can find, Paul. Like come on, that's crazy. Yeah, tap on wood, knock on wood, pause. That's crazy. So I went and got it, right? So he said, I came, I brought it back to him, right? So he said, yo, so he said, I can't wait for shorty to get here, right? So I'm like, yeah, he said, OB, I might even let you get some, yo. I said, shorty? I said, shorty bad, right? Yo, this is my word.

43:24I'm upstairs in my room and I hear him in there knocking shorty, right? So now when this shit comes out about everything, you know, your mind going to go all the way back. So my mind went all the way back. When I'm watching this Cassie shit and Cassie told me, oh, this nigga like big black this, big black that. And I'm like, hold up. was that joint that night for this nigga or was it for the girl pause damn pause yo this shit had me going crazy now this was back in 2010 when this shit happened you know what I'm saying so now 2025 I'm like was this shit for him this dirty motherfucker he never let me see shorty like he promised so I'm saying to myself nigga never let me see shorty that night I went and got the joint.

44:15Shorty talking about this, that other. So I said, damn, that was for that nigga. You know what I'm saying? So I started thinking all the way back to all the situations and all the predictaments where things happen. And my loyalty was always in the middle of it. You know what I'm saying? Like even when niggas were saying stuff, because then niggas ain't just start talking about Puff. Of course. Niggas been talking about Puff for 20 years. Right. You know what I'm saying? And me, myself, I was on the front line, my nigga. You not going to be talking about homie like that, if I'm... Yo, homie get that nigga.

44:50I see the nigga with a girl every fucking night. You know what I'm saying? Woo woo woo. But when this shit happened, man, I had to go back. And I just had to start thinking about that. Because see, one thing you might not know, my man right there might know, when you doing security and you holding a nigga down, you can't wait for a day off. so when you get a day off you don't pay attention to really what that nigga doing cause you just so happy you got your day off so it be days that probably be like yo this weekend I'm gonna stay in Beverly Hills Hotel oh you gonna stay there this weekend yeah y 'all niggas can have a house that's what I'm thinking about I got this fucking house I got these shorties from LA we having a party this weekend right I'm not thinking about the nigga that I just seen get on the elevator and press the same floor that Puff got off on.

45:41I'm not thinking about that. People say, yo, you had to see this, you had to. Nah, you not thinking about that. You thinking about your next move. You know what I'm saying? You got whatever vehicle's down there, whatever vehicle's at the house. I got the weekend, but then when everything start playing back on me, and I start thinking about, damn, this nigga did call me and told me, and I seen pictures, this nigga told me to make sure this nigga got in the club. You know what I'm saying? Damn, that's that same nigga that I had to go get from the club that night. Or this the same nigga that I got on the elevator.

46:11You know what I'm saying? So the loyalty shit right there, I think that was the last. Not that it's going to change my loyalty because it's just certain people that garnered your loyalty. It's certain people that no matter what, you can't tell me nothing about. But I learned that if it's really not like that person that showed me that loyalty, I really can't stand up for them no more. Right. In any type of way, whether it's the state bid, the Fed bid, this street shit, whatever it is. If you ain't showed me and I ain't got proof of it, that's how I'm moving and that's how I'm living now. So out of everything that came out of this whole situation and this whole case, it came out of me to make me look deeper into people, make me look deeper into this music industry, make me look deeper into the people that say, yo, I'm with you, because a nigga quick to say I love you.

47:01Especially in the industry. Everybody says I love you. Yeah, of course. Everybody really, I love you. Love you bro, my bro. Love you bro. Until something bad happen. Until something bad happen. And let me tell you who take the word love more deeper than anybody. A street nigga. Of course. A street nigga take that word love deeper than any industry or anybody else. Because when I say I love you my nigga, I love you my nigga. And 9 out of 10 when we first tell each other that is when we don't have nothing. Facts. So when I'm telling you this, all we got is this, and all we got is us. You know what I'm saying?

47:35And what a lot of industry cats don't understand, they don't understand that. You know, because it's just the way they feel. They're just using the word, man. Yeah, they just saying, I love that. It sound cool. It sound like that. It sound like that. It sound cool. But I'm going to tell you what hurt me more is, in one aspect I say they phony, but then And in another aspect, I say they real because I've sat there and watched Puff do a whole lot for a lot of motherfuckers that didn't give a fuck about them, but just had a situation or position that he might have needed or wanted to be involved with.

48:11You know what I'm saying? We're here, do everything for him. I heard they get, yo, Lil Wayne need a lawyer. Yo, let me get a lawyer for him. Yo, DMACC need this. Let me get a lawyer for him. But then when I come and tell you my son, it's something different. You know what I'm saying? And that's where the respect, the loss of respect for. Because I don't understand. And that's what I like about these young niggas nowadays. I'm going to tell you the truth. They can say what they want to say about these young niggas, man. But a lot of these young niggas that's in the business right now, first thing they get in their crew is a house.

48:42Yeah. Yo. $250 ,000. Make sure a nigga got a house. No matter whether he with me, whether he not with me, his family got a place to live. They do be loyal to each other. They do be loyal to each other. They do. To a fault. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? To a fault. That's a fact. I agree with you. And that's what I love about him. I see young niggas that done work security. I done work security 12 years with Puff. I know niggas that work longer than that with other people and still fending for they own. Not that you got to give a nobody nothing. But damn, this nigga been with me 15 years. This nigga been running 20 hours with me.

49:17This nigga everywhere. Yo, let me surprise that nigga with a house. Thanks. Yeah, because 20 grand is one Birkin for Cassie. One Birkin. That ain't nothing. Puff gave me a Rolex. He gave me a Rolex. He bought 10 of us Rolexes, right? When 10 years hit, he bought 10 of us Rolexes. I told me, yo, what you give me a Rolex for if I ain't got no money? You know what I'm saying? I don't want to walk around with no$25 watch, and I'm living from check to check. First thing I did was end up down here on the 19th floor somewhere with the green box, the paperwork, everything else. I said, here. And they asked me, he said, where you watch at?

49:58I popped it. I got rid of it. What you mean you got rid of it? Because what you gave me was for the newspapers, for the magazines, because it came out the next day. Puff gives 10 of his homeboys, you know what I'm saying, for being with him for 10 years, watches, and all of us had the watches there. Rob Markman, And we know he got a deal on that. It was good press though. It was a great price. Good press. And he flew the girl out to Paris to go pick all 10 of them up. You know what I'm saying? Because Shorty told me. She said, yeah, I flew out there and got those for y 'all. You know what I'm saying?

50:32Told me exactly what she paid for and everything. I said, okay. But I love the fact that he gave me a watch because I was able to go ahead and pawn that shit for 20 stacks. You know what I'm saying? But that just shows you how in tune you are with your people. I'm not giving that nigga a watch. I'm going to give that nigga a house. So that's one thing I know he ain't got to worry about for the rest of his life. And that's where these young niggas is at. See, people bypass all that when they be talking about them. You know what I'm saying? But I be talking to them. You know what I'm saying? And when I be talking to them, oh, nah, nah, nah.

51:04The first thing baby did for me was buy me a house. You know what I'm saying? Because you got to think about it. $250, even if you say I'm going to buy your house, and you pay me back for it every month, guess what you're not doing? You're not buying two houses for the price of one because ain't no interest on what I'm paying you back. So even if you said my house is$2.50, I'm going to go ahead and buy that for you and you got to give me a stack every month. You got to give me two stacks every month. I'm paying$2.50. If you got a 30-year mortgage, nigga, you paying six something for that same house to cost you something.

51:38It comes between the interest and everything. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So if you got it like that, go ahead and put that shit underneath the company. Until he pay it off. You know what I'm saying? But let's not put no interest on it. Because I paid for it out of pocket. We going, we getting$100 ,000 a night All-Star weekend. $100 ,000 a night NFL Super Bowl. $100 ,000 a night NBA Super Bowl. $100 ,000 a night Memorial weekend. $100 ,000 a night Labor Day weekend. So that's$300 ,000 in one weekend. We talking Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Don't let it be a Monday. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of times they do Monday too.

52:17So Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, you got$100 ,000. At this time you was getting$100 ,000 every night. That's$400 ,000. Let me just take this one weekend and tell them, yo, and God bless the day, that's what Biggie would do. You know what I'm saying? Biggie would do that same. Biggie would say, yo, I got all of these parties right here. My crew is small. I only got six people. I got D-Rock. Rob Markman Oh, you was around Biggie too? Rob Markman Nah, I wasn't around Biggie. Rob Markman Oh, okay. But now I'm listening to everything that we talking about because we got a lot of late nights. You know what I'm saying?

52:49So through these late nights, all of us is getting, we becoming that clique. I was locked up when Big E actually was, what's more, I was in the feds then. So now one party, y 'all got one party a year where each of y 'all is five of y 'all. It's D-Rock, it's Lil C's, it's Kim, it's Elm, it's like five of them. So each of y 'all pick a night. Y 'all can't pick the weekends that I just told y 'all. But Biggie getting$50 ,000 a party. You got one party where I just get ahead. I show up for an hour and I give you the money. This is the shit that's going on. Damn, Biggie was doing that? Yeah, he was doing that.

53:26That was real shit right there. You know what I'm saying? That's real shit. But if you so hot like that, I just named y 'all 15 nights where a person get$100 ,000. That's$1.5 million. Not including all the other parties and all the other monies and everything because I'm not counting your money. I'm just counting that night right there. So it's nothing for you to say, damn, we just got out of the jam last night. This nigga just got me in Paris. This nigga just threw me in the car. And this nigga stayed there. There's times I threw this nigga. Everybody know. Niggas in Paris, for people that don't know, they ain't nothing to play with.

54:00You know what I'm saying? Yeah, shit go down in Paris. Shit go down in London. Of course. You know what I'm saying? Easy. you know what I'm saying yeah y 'all know it you know what I'm saying and there's been times where I threw this nigga in the car cause he got girls with him and he more interested in the girls getting back to the hotel than you so go ahead my nigga they don't want me they don't want me they want you so go ahead go ahead in the car man I see you at the hotel but meanwhile I'm sitting there explaining to a goon what just happened you know what I'm saying and you gotta explain it to him with authority you can't explain it to him humbly Rob Markman, Yeah like Puff just took your bitch man.

54:38Rob Markman, Yeah. Rob Markman, Ain't nothing you can do. Rob Markman, Yo but I'm saying, my nigga, you want a problem with me? Nah, I ain't got no problem with you. I like that. We ain't got no problem. Matter of fact, being that he said he already going to the hotel, that's me and you go back in here for a drink. You know what I'm saying? It's mind manipulation games that you got to play with niggas when you out these people country. Rob Markman, Facts. Rob Markman, Yo he already in there. Matter of fact, man, come on. Let's go in here and have a drink. Rob Markman, Yeah you don't want to get locked up in foreign country, I'm telling you.

55:04First of all, the language barrier is the first mistake. So if that person know the language and you don't, you lost already. Oh, yeah. As soon as you walk in the police station, you the odd boy. I don't care who you are, what you are. You American. You think you all that. You think you better than us. And we not doing nothing for you. You know what I'm saying? So not to cut you off, but you being on a lawsuit, right? And Cassie said that you stopped her from beating up. Did she give me something? No, no, no. What's the situation? Because that's the first thing people ask me. They be like, yo, I know she peaced you up.

55:38Nah. Rob Markman - No, not even that. I wasn't even going to ask that. I was going to ask, what's going through your mind when that's going on? And where did it happen at? What's going on my mind? To be real with you, what was going through my mind was them people getting ready to knock on my door. That's what was on my mind. There's so much shit going on that I'm not even really thinking about you, old boy. I'm thinking about if them people come knock on my door. You know what I'm saying? Even though I ain't been with you, they taking the time all the way back to 1999. You know what I'm saying?

56:11I got with you 2003. So now I'm falling in. This girl got my name in a lawsuit. Then I'm watching people on trial. And they say, oh, Barnes used to bring me the money. Oh, I'm watching his money manager say, yo, after a party, Barnes will bring it to me. Oh, I'm watching some of his assistants get on there. Oh, I told Barnes. I said, I'm like, there ain't no way these niggas not going to come knock on my door. Everybody to get up here talking about Barnes, Barnes, Barnes, Barnes. Barnes. Now, what crossed my mind then was am I loyal to a fort now? You know what I'm saying? Or when these people come holler at me, he shit on me, do I holler back at him?

56:45And my inner self beat came back, yo nigga, you ain't got nothing to talk to them people about. Not being there because it was Puff, because I would have had that same answer and that same feeling for somebody who ain't have nothing. I've been there and done that. Like, nah, nah, Rob Markman - So what was going through your head? What happened when you was there with the Cassie situation and Puff? What exactly happened? What was that? Rob Markman - Well, it's been a couple of incidents, but the incident she brought up was on Sunset when he was talking to Johnny Wright. Johnny Wright was a manager for a lot of big pop rock people, but he was also a manager for Danny D.

57:25Kane. So him and Puff had a somewhat relationship, but because one is a label and one is a manager of course they don't get along. So when Puff seen Cassie talking to him, he just went into a rage. Because Puff was not only her man, he was her manager and everything else. All accounts were shut down. Any money that she got went straight to his account. You know what I'm saying? So he's wondering what she talking to him about. But he took off, and all I seen him was do a flying kick, you know? And he kicked in the back, and she went on the floor. Damn. And he was on the floor with her, and I was like, yo, and I'm running up the block, You know what I'm saying?

58:02Because - Rob Markman Now this is on Sunset Boulevard. Rob Markman Now this is right on Sunset Boulevard. Rob Markman Now it's nighttime, but everybody got a driver out there because it's a war show. Rob Markman So people see when he - Rob Markman People see it. People see everything. So that's what made me run over there and I grabbed him and I said, yo, what the fuck you doing, yo? And his driver opened up the door and I threw him in there. And then she had went underneath the car, so I went over there and grabbed her. Rob Markman She went under the car? Rob Markman She went underneath the truck.

58:29Rob Markman Damn, damn. So she was so scared that she went underneath. Remember what I said? I said, Cassie, yo, come out, come out, come out. So I put Cassie in the back. He got in the front. So now while we driving back to the hotel, something came from the back seat, and it was Cassie. And she hit that nigga so hard in his motherfucking face. Like, she had a ring, a diamond ring that was so big, and all I seen was her. So I'm driving, right? Now I'm driving because the shit happens so fast. I told the driver to stay back there with her. But now when he get back there with her, he's scared to touch her.

59:06Of course. You know what I'm saying? Because he ain't us. So he like, ah, ah, ah. And she swings on in front of the front. So now I got the window open. I'm trying to contain at the same time. People pulling up. Oh, that's Diddy. That's Cassie. Boom, boom. So I'm trying to close the window at the same time. So we get back to the crib. And when we get back to the crib, they go in the room. and I tell people all the time like when you go through social media social media gonna make you the villain so I tell people all the time you can't be responsible for something that you don't see so what he gonna do then is he gonna go in the room so when the person come out the room however they look it's ain't nothing you could do about it because the magic is that they still live right and nobody had a gun to your head nobody made you stay there not only that I'm telling you get up out of here and you running back and telling somebody.

59:55Rob Markman, Ph.D.: Thanks. Rob Markman, Ph.D.: You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman, Ph.D.: So was you frustrated because you started feeling like, damn, this nigga can't give me a light 20 grand and this nigga got me as the therapist and the bodyguard. You know what I'm saying? Ph.D.: Nah, because the therapist shit was ahead of time. The money, that money, and I'm not gonna lie. Puff gave me$30 ,000. For the lawyer shit? For your son? He gave me$30 ,000 for my son in 2011. My son's down there like, okay, all of us had cases. All of us got New York cases. So we know what it costs in New York.

1:00:32So imagine what it costs as a motherfucker in Africa. You know what I'm saying? From 2011, the case is going on. They still going to court every year, every month, every two months, every three months. So I'm giving a nigga, I'm giving a nigga, I'm giving a nigga. You gave me 30 at the end. I tell you, yo, it's trial time now. 2024 was trial time. Yo, I need that 20 ,000. This is the end of it. And he knows actually what the case is for and everything. Huh? And he knew what the case was about. Oh, yeah. He knew what the case was because he posted it one time. After I hit him so many times that I called him and I said, yo, my nigga.

1:01:05He said, what's up? I said, yo, that's some fucked up shit. He said, what you mean? I said, man, my son locked up, man. I been hitting you. I can't get in touch with you. This, that, that. I asked you just to post something to bring awareness. Yo, you right, Barnes. You right. You right. Yo, call such and such and such and such and such and tell him I said to post this. So I called him. And the post did some magic because there was a lot of people in Africa that was watching. And it put them on to the case. Look at that. But now when he hit me, he said, yo, I got these three people for you right here.

1:01:36Hit them. Anything you need with your son, deal with them. So now that's when he gave me the$20 ,000 for my son, right? Now, when I hit them about, though, because they're not giving it to me. They're sending it directly to the lawyer. I don't want nothing to do with the money. So I'm sending y 'all the wire number, the international number, and it's coming straight from the office to y 'all so that y 'all don't think no funny business going on. So now I tell him, I say, yo, we're going to trial. It's time to get this thing together. So he gives me all these people and say, yo, we gonna do this.

1:02:12I calls the people, they say, oh, we sent 20 ,000. We don't have the okay to send nothing else. I said, Puff just told me that he told y 'all to send what's ever needed. So, cause the case, dah, dah, dah. Now I go, what? My son blows trap. You know what I'm saying? He gets 29 years. Rob Markman, Damn. Rob Markman, Right? Now he gets 29 - Rob Markman, So it was more money needed for the trap? Rob Markman, Of course. Rob Markman, Of course. Because you see what Puff got right now? and I'm not on his level with that. But you see what he got? He got a person to deal with every facet of the case. He got a person that's good with the rape shit, a person that's good with this.

1:02:48So down there, you need a person, an advocate. That's what they call him. It's only one lawyer, but you need the advocates that specialize in different stuff, okay? He got international law from being from the United States. This person specializes in that. Okay, he got a murder conviction. This person specializes in that. Okay, he got weapons and all that shit, international weapons stuff. They still ain't told me how my son got a gun. They don't have no gun. They don't have no weapon. They don't have no witnesses. They don't have no nothing. This was an open and shut case if I had a team. Facts.

1:03:23You know what I'm saying? And I'm putting puff up on the president, man. Me and him is talking and all this, but all this is through him. You know what I'm saying? They listening to you. They not listening to me. Even though I'm the father and I'm talking to you, they know you got the money. Thanks. Of course. So that's who they listening to. When you call, they going to answer and all that. So when the money stopped coming in, they stopped responding and stuff like that. The money stopped coming in. What part of Africa was it? Namibia. Okay. Namibia. What's that in there? All the way down to South Africa, all the way at the bottom.

1:03:56See, and when I do my homework, because we all got people from Nigeria, from Lagos and all that, but not from Namibia. Namibia is a country that sold out to the Germans back in the 18-something. So they respect Asian and European people more than they respect Americans. Even when you go down there, like, you know, they done brought out all the stores and did this and brought all that. So that's the people that's in with them is the people that's in. Puff is universal. But at the same time, his people was telling me that this is what his people was telling me. PR team and everything. They said, ah, Barnes, Puff can't really get involved in this.

1:04:38I said, what you mean? Ah, your son is locked up down there for murder. He's trying to open up some businesses in Africa. So we advised him not to speak on it. So now my beef is bigger now. Because where's the loyalty? How you gonna let these people tell you about your man, nigga? This my son. She comes out and tells me straight up. She said, yo, Puff may not want to tell you, but I'm going to tell you. Rob Markman, Yeah. Rob Markman, She said, yo, we've advised him not to speak on the situation. Rob Markman, Right. Rob Markman, Because when he put the post up, he had so much backlash. Oh, I heard you was trying to open up some businesses down here.

1:05:15Mighty funny that you trying to open up something, but these Americans came down here and killed one of our people. Now, they wouldn't have a problem with it if it was a black dude. But my son is convicted for killing a white guy right so it was a guy from columbia university which is here you know i'm saying he was from namibia a white south african so his family is into diamonds so he tells my son co-defendant when i go back home i'm gonna give y 'all some diamonds but y 'all gotta bring him back so my son is on rikers island at this particular time so he meets the dude right my son knock on I hate to talk about this, but he blood.

1:06:00You know what I'm saying? So he on Ruggies Island, the dude gets locked up from LA. So he can't use the phone enough for when he get to the island because he don't know nobody. So my son said, yo, I got you. So from my son taking care of him and everything, he put my son up on this. He said, yo, when I get out of here, I'm heading down to XYZ. Right? I go see my son. I talk to him. I tell his mother, yo, he not ready to come out yet. I said, what you mean? I said, yo, I was in Ibiza. I got a phone call from the police saying he got locked up with a gun. I said, I was in Paris. I got a phone call from the police saying he got locked up with a second gun.

1:06:35I said, he not ready to come home. So that's when he was on the island. I said, evidently he beefing with somebody. I'm not in New York because I'm running around with Puff. I said, until I get a couple of days off where I can come back to Harlem and find out who he beefing with and let niggas know that's my son, he got to chill. Let him stay on the island. But his mother don't listen to me. You know, that's her baby. You know what I'm saying? I'm getting my baby out of there. So she goes and get him out of jail. So now I comes back for Christmas. I see him. Take him some money. Take him some Sean John boxes and all that shit.

1:07:09He said, Dad, I'm going to Africa next week. First of all, you ain't even got your passport. So I'm not really paying him no attention. He wanted them little niggas like, okay, you just talking. You know what I'm saying? You just talking. I ain't think you going to Africa. So I said, what you going to Africa for? So at this time, MC Light had that joint, I need a roughneck, gotta have a roughneck. So he had all them little niggas from Harlem with tattoos, trying to be a model. You know what I'm saying? This was when, what's the old name? What's all them little niggas? The bald headed dude, Tyson.

1:07:42This was all of them. Oh, Tyson, Bethany. Yeah, Tyson, Doc, and all them, they was all doing their thing. So these little niggas think they go, yeah, I'm gonna be a roughneck, blah, blah, blah. So he said, I'm gonna go to Africa. He said, I'm going to take some pictures and stuff. He said, because I wanted a different concept from what everybody else bringing him. My son's 6 '4", you know what I'm saying, curly head dude. You know what I'm saying, okay, cool. Went to Mary Bertram and all that other stuff. You know who his man was? His man is Ja. You know Ja from Brooklyn? They used to hold Akon down.

1:08:14I think I know who you're talking about. Ja used to be with nails all the time. Ball head, he knocked chill down. Okay, I know who Ja is talking about. I don't know how my son and Ja get tight like that. Right. You know what I'm saying? Y 'all are way older than him. You know what I'm saying? But he talking and telling me, okay, I'm going to do it. Yo, when I tell you this shit goes through one ear and out the other, I'm not thinking. So when his baby mother called me and said, yo, Kev locked up, first thing I said to him was, yo, he in Africa. What you mean he locked up? She said, that's where he's locked up for.

1:08:44I said, for what? She said, murder. So I immediately go, I'm in Paris, so I'm halfway there. So Puff is like, yo, you don't have to go back. He said, yo man, call Uncle Paulie and tell him to meet me at the airport tomorrow. Because we leaving the next morning anyway. He said, you go ahead to Paris. So yeah, to answer your question, he definitely knew what it was. Gotcha. So I shot the Paris. Got a lawyer and everything. I go down there with a little 15 ,000. They takes that from me as soon as I get there. Because I'm green. Everything that's going on there. All I know is my boy is locked up. We need a lawyer.

1:09:17This is who he told me to get. Boom, boom. He ended up robbing me. You know what I'm saying? He ain't doing nothing for my son for this money. You know what I'm saying? But as time goes on, my son know everybody in the jail. He got the whole jail blood when I go down there. I'm like, yo. In Africa? Yeah, in Africa. I'm talking about. B, I tell you, yo, niggas was telling me. I'm watching videos. I'm like, damn, this Africa jail look rough. I'm like, what the fuck? So I'm worried about him. But when I get down there, he's like, nah, pop, I'm all right. So he's taller than me, 6 '4". So I'm getting ready to leave.

1:09:50He said, yo, lift your head up, Pop. I'm all right, yo. This is what it was saying. He said, I'm all right, Pop. So when I go back there, now I'm starting to get hits. I'm starting to get DMs and everything from people that's out there. And one lady is like, yo, your son is such a sweetheart. I'm like, what you mean? She said, yo, the police tried to tell me I couldn't bring my phone in because I didn't give him my phone number. Yo, your son jumped up off the bench. I said, yo, he beefing with the police? She said, yeah. The police let me in after he said this, that, and that. So now when I'm going down there, I'm like, okay, this nigga know how to handle himself.

1:10:23You know what I'm saying? He got judges because they got him in a special park. So he got judges and lawyers and everything that got locked up for shit that they done did down there. At the end of the day, they still lawyers. They still judges. They still got the knowledge. So now they working on the case with him. So my son said, damn, that everything I'm arguing with in court is the stuff I did myself. This lawyer ain't doing nothing for me. so now when we blows trial he ends up getting 29 years right but this is the kicker the judge tells him I'm not giving you them 14 years that you got in already so now he gotta start the 29 over from 2025 that's crazy so how you gonna do that so now that's what I'm in court fighting for now because at the end of the day I told my son alright you got 29 I said oh for 29 you gotta do 25 So the embassy tells me, they say, yo, we can transfer him.

1:11:19Once he get through all his appeals and he's set with whatever time he's going to get, we could do a swap. So in the feds, they'll do a swap where they take somebody from that country that's locked up in the United States and they swap them out. And they let my son go to the feds over here. So at the end of the day, this is what we came to. I say 29 for 29, you get 59 days a year. I said, all right, that's going to break down to 25. I said, you got 14 in right now. All right, at the end of the day, you got 10 left. That's where we at with it. But then the judge says, yo, we're not counting the mother 14 years.

1:11:54So right now, the first thing I'm fighting is the fact that you can't say that he wasn't in your jail cell for 14 years and count no time. Then we could fight the other stuff. But let's get you a amount of time first. You know what I'm saying? And that's what I needed from Diddy. That's what I needed the money for. I needed the money to make sure this nigga got the right amount of time that he was supposed to get. Even though he wasn't even. Yo, the embassy was sat right next to me. They had his plane ticket. They had everything. They said, yo, they don't have no evidence on this case. They said, this is what we need you to do.

1:12:26We need you to get your son right after this verdict. Take him to your hotel. Give us four hours and we're going to expedite the passport. And we'll be ready to go. So even when they came back with guilty and gave him all that time, Even the embassy was looking at me. But the embassy is quote unquote, which we know is bullshit. They told me we don't have nothing to do with the criminality of the case. We just got to make sure that he's treated and given everything that he's supposed to be given as a United States citizen in jail down there. But we all know when certain people get locked up in certain phone calls that could be made.

1:13:02You know what I'm saying? Of course. And shit going to happen. We done seen Trump do it and all types of shit. Rob Markman, I got locked up in the airport in Turkey. Made that call. 50. Drinking tea in the back of the precinct. Chill. Chill. Rob Markman, So I know how you feeling. That call from Puff, that's all you really needed. It could've helped. Rob Markman, I know he could've did it. Now this is somebody to tell you. Rob Markman, I know he gave you the, maybe he gave you the bread and he just felt like, yo, I gave him enough and people in his ear. Cause you know how it is in the industry, people get in his ear, yo, Bonds, he's just your security, blah, blah, blah.

1:13:33Why you doing this? Why you posting this for his son? Blah, blah, blah. blah. And honestly, he could have made one phone call and that could have changed the whole situation. Rob Markman, You see, see, see, see, when people say stuff like that, I listen to it because people hit me all the time. Yo, B, you had a nine to five. You was just a security guard. Nah, nah, nah. Rob Markman, Not the shit that you know you been through with a nigga. Rob Markman, Right. You can't sit there. Rob Markman, I know what you said. Rob Markman, I was like, nigga, man, we been through some real shit, man. Fuck all that shit.

1:13:58This ain't no regular nine to five. Rob Markman, This ain't no nine to five. First of all, we lived in the same house. So this was 24-7. Because if you get up at 3 in the morning and you want to go somewhere, you're going to hit that PA system. Yo, get the car ready. You know what I'm saying? Get the car ready. Yo, where we going? Yeah, I got to go. Whether it's just to see your girl, whether it's just to see anybody, anything. Whatever. You know what I'm saying? Nigga, I told you, get up. Let's go. So it ain't a 9 to 5. You know what I'm saying? Second of all, we talking about when, okay, I'm going to say, for instance, them fans that used to work with us, the police they used to work with us they was there for a certain amount of time and then they knew they was going home I ain't get to go home I wasn't there for a certain amount of time and them niggas probably getting paid more than you yeah because they was legally armed and you know they getting paid I think at that time it was 150 hours you know what I'm saying but we out 15 hours so guess what after 10 hours Puff start counting that money.

1:15:03Yo, tell them niggas they could go home. Not that the danger lesson, because it's getting late at night. It's just getting too expensive. It's just getting too expensive. Yo, tell them niggas they could go home. You going to be here, right? All right, nigga, tell them niggas to go home. You know what I'm saying? So now, I'm also moving with people that I can't let know what I'm really doing. Because I don't give a fuck if you working with me or not. If you the fed or you the police, you're not going to never know if I'm strapped or not. You know what I'm saying? I'm never going to tell you. You know what I'm saying?

1:15:36Unless something really, really happened. Because I know at the end of the day, this is just your, what they call it, moonlighting. This is side hustle. This is your side hustle. You're not giving. And I used to have them talks with them all the time. You're my nigga. You know them niggas ain't going to pull no hammer. It was like a situation. So that's why no matter what situation Pup got in, yeah, them feds is good. They're great. But they don't know who you got a situation with. I know everybody that you got a situation with and that's what makes us different you know what I'm saying so when people say yo you was just saying nah I ain't security when I'm spending Christmas with your family I'm spending Thanksgiving with your family you know what I'm saying I'm doing shit we doing shit I'm making sure you get in the car I'm like nah it ain't a 9 to 5 and then you're not there for the conversations see that's the thing that get to me it's not about the job it's about the conversations when you look in my eye and I look in your eye And you tell me, yo, if you ever need me my nigga, I'm here, B.

1:16:32But that's when we get into a situation and we make it home safe. Then that conversation that night is different than that other conversation. Because that conversation that night is, damn, my nigga, that shit was crazy, right? Yeah, nigga. Yeah, we made it back, though. You damn near saved my life, my nigga. My nigga. Come on. You know what I'm saying? You ever need me, my nigga. Whatever you ever need from me, my nigga's there, my nigga. Yo, rich nigga. And then you hold that shit in your heart. Yo, Mert. And then when the time come around, you really need something, the nigga say, I ain't even got that right now, playboy.

1:17:05Not when you talk about, yo, you giving$1 ,000 haircuts and you giving Young Miami in, but they're talking about she got$500 ,000. But not only that, nigga have you with five jobs. Like, niggas the driver, the therapist, the bodyguard, the gunman, the hold-a-bag man, the assistant, the take the cars, get the cars oil. Because you're only getting paid for one thing. I'm only getting paid for one thing. and I'm going to tell you on top of that and it's in the book and this is one thing that I heard from my man Big Vic and all of them that worked with 50 on the toll and all that right I bought my house and everything I ain't got no complaints nigga said yo nigga I might not be with homie no more but I ain't got no complaints nigga I bought my house and everything off of the toll right now Puff is the type of person because I don't talk about nothing that ain't happen I get a call to the office one day yo what the fuck is going on alright we signed to not Universal we signed to Atlantic Records Bad Boy is underneath Atlantic so all the bills gotta go to Leon all the bills from Bad Boy go to Leon so they look at it what the fuck is this security nigga putting in 130 hours for on the invoice yo the driver got 130 hours on here Nigga, we worked 130 hours, right?

1:18:30So guess what? Leo up there, oh, this nigga got, you know, his bills is this, this, that, and all of a, so now they call Puff. All I hear in the car is, yo, I know them motherfuckers ain't do no shit like that, right? So I'm looking back. It's your boss too? Nigga, why wouldn't I put in an invoice? If we leave, your call time is 7 in the morning. We don't get back in the house at 3 in the morning. Nigga, that's every hour that I work. So I'ma put that down. This nigga get mad at you, but yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, I don't know what you gonna do, playboy, but then they come behind you and say, yo, yo, if you need something, man, just let me know if you need something.

1:19:10I got you. You know what I'm saying? But I can't pay. Them niggas ain't mad. Niggas ain't put in 130 hours. Niggas ain't put in 130 hours. My nigga, 130 hours. Yeah, 130 hours. Don't let an album be coming out where niggas sleep in the motherfucking studio and all This nigga Puff came out the studio one time in LA, nigga. We in the studio. I'm outside in the truck, sitting in the truck. I done went to sleep. It's just me and him. It's 7 o 'clock in the morning right now. Nigga, I'm not on the same shit you want. You know what I'm saying? So I done fell asleep. This nigga that reached through the window, took the key out the ignition, right?

1:19:44Goes back in the studio and then run out the studio. Yo, let's turn your oil on. So I jump up. What's your reaction? Your first reaction is to turn the key. Ain't no motherfucking key in the joint. This nigga rolling. He on the floor laughing. Yo nigga, you got me in the middle of Bloods. Got me in the middle of Crips. You sleep in the truck. He said, but I know you tired, my nigga. Don't worry about it. He said, come on, let's go home. But this is the type of shit that I say a nigga do. Nigga, you ain't the only nigga in a situation. If they come, nigga, they going to hit me up first to get inside the door.

1:20:18You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I'm going to reach under the seat there, but the nigga, that's too late. How many niggas we know that then got clapped and when they found him, the nigga had his joint on his waist? Yep, man. That don't mean nothing. You know what I'm saying? Yep. Yeah, and that's real talk. Anybody can get it, man. That's why I try to tell people, this ain't no security where you come in at nine and you leave at five, you come in at 10. This is a, but every morning, man, I pray to God every morning when I used to leave the house, I'd say, yo, bring him home safe before I get home safe.

1:20:49You know what I'm saying? Because in my mind, that was my principle. That was my responsibility. So nigga, if I don't make it home, I'm cool. You made it home. But guess what the deal was? The deal was that if you don't make it, nigga, I got your family. This is the conversation. So now that I didn't die, my son is my family and I need you. And if you ain't doing this while I'm alive, what you gonna do if I die, nigga? And that's the thought that started coming through my mind. You know what I'm saying? Damn, so when people say, yo, why don't you do this? Why don't you do that? And my niggas is telling me saying, yo, my nigga, you know every crib that nigga got.

1:21:29Why you just don't roll up there? You know what I'm saying? And I'm telling nigga, yo, this ain't 1980. This is 2000. Nigga, you can't be rolling up on nigga. Nigga will call the police on you. And the first thing they gonna say is, yo, I'm a civilian nigga. I'm Puff Daddy nigga. That nigga came up here with all type of joints trying to threaten me. But ain't nobody going to look at him funny for saying something about me. But if I say something about him, everybody will give me every excuse. Because he got more bread. People are just loyal to the money, bro. A motherfucker can do whatever. You know what I'm saying?

1:22:02Like I said, you had 10 jobs. You're the therapist. You're breaking up fights with Cassie. You're the driver. You're driving four or five in the morning. You're the gunman. You're security. You're their sister. You're carrying bags. You the guy making calls for them. Yo, Barnes, Barnes, PA system, 4 or 5 in the morning, 3 a.m., 7 in the morning. Niggas giving you the same pay. And then when you say, yo, I worked 139 hours, they looking at you like you crazy. Know what I'm saying? Well, go buy a bitch of Berkham or buy a bitch of Rolia. That's what I be thinking. But you can't take it. Huh? And it's not pocket watching.

1:22:37It's not pocket watching. It's not pocket watching. It's what's yours. It's just like, yo, bro, I've been loyal to you. I put my life on the line and everything. You know what I'm saying? You had 10 jobs. You was a man therapist, his friend, his bodyguard, his family. He made stupid decisions. You stopped him from Cassie. I didn't hear you say not one thing bashing him. You said all good things. You tried to help you. Christmas. I've seen this. I've seen this. People be loyal and get the bad end of the stick. That's what it sound like. Pause. Right? This is pause. You got your own point. Yeah, pause.

1:23:11You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman, So for me, it's the real report. I'm glad you came on the show to tell your truth. Because the book is about your life. Excuse me. It's not all about just Diddy. It's just the situations you went through. Yeah, he looked out for you here and there, but he could have did more. I agree with you. Rob Markman, Oh, he could have did more. And that's what the book is about. Rob Markman, Yeah. Rob Markman, The book is not for... The book is a lesson. If you read the book and you go through the book, and I call it... Rob Markman, Sure y 'all go get this, man. I call it the bonds, right?

1:23:42The word of the bonds contract, right? The word is bond contract. So after each chapter, I show my loyalty. I show a situation, right? And when I be talking, like I got a joint I'm talking in next week with the chief of police in Columbia, South Carolina with the kids with gun violence, right? Because when I was talking to him, he thought the way that I talked and everything I was through a puff, he didn't know I ever went to jail. So even when I told him what I went to jail for, he said, what you went to jail for? I went to jail for manslaughter. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, we need you, we need you. So now it opened them up to say, okay, not only do we have this, he been through it.

1:24:25He know what the other side is, and now he talking positive on this side. So this is perfect for what we trying to do. Right, definitely. And that's why when people say, why you do a book? Why you do a book? I did a book because some shit get thrown at you, and you could bob and weave it. You know what I'm saying? Like I got five daughters. So shit done been, I done, I done. Serious. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I done went through it with my daughters. You know what I'm saying? With guys and everything else like that. So Cassie hit me in the spot. You know what I'm saying? So when she ain't listen, I said, okay, I'm going to duck that.

1:24:57I'm going to duck that. I'm going to duck that. But then when she put me in the lawsuit and it came back to me, I said, sometime God bring you something over and over and over again until you speak on it. so I even went to school I took the domestic violence certification I became an advocate in that shit we all took the alternative to violence shit I just took another one from jail and then I took it and moved it up and all that and I said God keep coming to me about this not only that when I caught the body it was only one person I could talk to and I tell people that all the time and that was God God is good God is good.

1:25:36You know what I'm saying? How many bodies you got my nigga and I'm going to fuck it. You had me up here like the nigga Hoss. I done killed more nigga. Get out of here. Nah, but I can talk about it because I did my time. Of course, but we understand the end of the year. You know what I mean? I tell niggas all the time. I say, yo, that shit is just... Back then, it was just as many bodies going on back then as it is now. He only say that too loud. You know what's crazy? It was way more. It was way more. It wasn't no IG or nothing like that. The murder rate was up back then. You was talking about at least a year, nigga, it was 1 ,300, 1 ,200 people getting killed like for real on these streets.

1:26:16Now it'd be probably about, not saying like it's a bad thing, it's a good thing, but now it's only about 600, 400, 500. It's not as crazy as it used to be, but it get highlighted more because of social media. So you see things and it looks so crazy, you're like, oh man, they wilding out there, acting crazy. No, but it used to really be crazy. You know what I'm saying? things on content. There's a lot of cameras now, things too. There's cameras now, and the difference is, the biggest difference is there was a lot of bodies back then, but they was of age. They was dudes who was in the street doing what they had to do.

1:26:45Now you got a bunch of kids killing each other. Doing certain things. So dudes was young back then too though. Dudes was young, dudes was young. But we was getting money. These niggas - They're not even thinking about no money. They not even thinking about no money. They just want to bang on who repping this gang, repping this gang, doing it for social media purposes, It's weird mixed up with it. So it do be kind of weird nowadays. I know what you mean with that shit, man. It's not about no money. It's not about no money, man. Yeah. So that'd be the weird part. Yeah, that's the weird part right there.

1:27:11Because I got a bunch of friends that got killed. Niggas, I mean, I got a friend that got killed for gazelles. We got friends that got killed for Jordans. You know what I'm saying? Eight jackets, eight of them. All type of crazy shit back then, boy. The V-Bomber. Real talk. I know a nigga that got it for them. Eight of them, Jackets, starters. Real talk. You've seen it all, man, back then, man. But it's like you said, it wasn't no media and all that. And it was niggas that was getting money. Cause nine out of 10, if you had that type of shit, you was out there. We was hustling. You was hustling, you was getting some money.

1:27:36You know what I'm saying? Niggas was dying on the stoop and all that shit. But nowadays it's just more, it's more crazy. And when I be talking to the kids and I show them the book, cause they thought, they say, yo man, I thought this was just all about Diddy. Nah, this is about whole life. This is about Rikers Island. This is about the feds. This is about how you gonna feel. And I really - in life a little bit, period. With your loyalty. Definitely, definitely. With your loyalty, because a lot of us think, well, a lot of them kids, when you really listen to them, they'll do anything for a nigga who got money.

1:28:07You know what I'm saying? And that's not loyalty, that's stupidity. Definitely. You know what I'm saying? It's the difference between loyalty and stupidity. Loyalty is with somebody that you got a history with and somebody you got love for. Stupidity is just somebody who got some money that you might have just knew for six months. But you're trying to prove yourself. And you ready to just jump out the window proving yourself. He can make you do anything. Yeah, exactly. And that's where me and Puff was going. To answer your question, that's where we was going. We was starting to argue all the time.

1:28:38Like, who the fuck argues with the boss? But I'm actually arguing with you because I'm at the point where a lot of the shit you're doing is stupid. You know what I'm saying? You're doing stupid shit. We did this shit when we was in the 30s, all the way to the 40s. Now that your kids done became an age, you want to relive it and go back. I don't want to get up three in the morning right now Four in the morning no more I thought that shit was over But now you're 45 And you doing it all over again Because Justin didn't reach age Because Kristen didn't reach age And that goes back When I was there and niggas used to tell me Yo my nigga ever since you left This shit is crazy I used to be like what you mean We in the house right now What you doing in the house We in there with a bunch of bitches this that and the other and they're Christian friends they're Justin friends so of course ain't nobody on that door saying yo let me see and when we used to have them parties in Miami I'll be right on that gate if something on there yo let me see your ID ain't nobody IDing nobody going in Puff is high out his mind my nigga so he's not responsible for who going in his house that's your job to be responsible about who going in his house but it came to a point where now Now everybody is partying because you so high, you not thinking about, man, that's my security in here talking to Shorty.

1:29:58Who the fuck is on the gate outside? You know what I'm saying? I ain't give a fuck about that. I was one of them niggas that, yo, at the beginning of the party, I'ma grab my thing and I'ma stash her up in the room. Ain't no reason for you to be out here with all these niggas. For sure, for sure. Yo, you know what I'm saying? Small guy. Whatever you want to drink, I'ma give you. I got a pot full of smoke up there. You just go up there and chill and wait till the party is over. One, I ain't want none of these niggas to take the shorty I picked. For sure. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean?

1:30:24Come on, my nigga. You know what I mean? You got to get that right from the beginning. The doors is open for you. Before all of these - Get away from the star power. Get away from the star power. Get away from the star power. You know the thirsty niggas. So you got to catch somebody who just happy to be in the house. Thanks. And put her up in your room instead. Go check on her every couple of hours. You all right? You need anything? This the food they got downstairs. You want some of this food? You know what I'm saying? We gonna go to the pool and all that, but we just waiting on all these niggas leave, then we gonna get in the pool by ourself.

1:30:53You know what I'm saying? They like, okay, okay, I ain't gotta go home. No, you ain't gotta go home. But when I left, it ain't nobody there because everybody wanna party. So that's how you get into the young girls, the this, the that, and the other. I think the young girl thing, that would have been my limit right there. The only thing that I can honestly say is I've never seen a nigga with a young girl. You know what I'm saying? And I always stand up when they say that. Like, I don't care how mad I am and all that, I'm not going to put something on you that I've never seen. You know what I'm saying?

1:31:29I've never seen you with a girl under age. Rob Markman No, but I understand, bro. You got five daughters. I have one daughter. Love you, Mania. I have one daughter you want. Rob Markman I got one too. Love you, Mania. Rob Markman See, you have five. So if you see Cassie putting his hands on any man, you see, you my homie. You see me put my hands on a woman, you're going to stop me too. Come on, man. I knew you for years. You understand what I'm saying? So it's like when I read the book, and I'm definitely going to read the book. I didn't read it yet. But me having the book, Loyalty and Lies, the best thing about it is not a book just to bash somebody in the industry.

1:32:04It's lessons of your life, of you going through bids and being on Rikers and going to jail, in prison, going up top. I met you on Rikers. I know you was praying that night too. When you met Ye on the island, was you locked up for a body? Nah. All right, just making sure. Just making sure. But we don't want to talk about nothing. He done talked about seven bodies on here. Nigga, him, his son, his man that he took the charge for, caught the body. His son caught the body allegedly. Nigga, that's what he been talking about. His man put him on with Puff caught the body. Nigga, that's what he been talking about.

1:32:36Nigga, that's my man. You got it. You got that one. But the whole thing is... No, but the whole thing. No, no. Definitely not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rob Markman, you're on the road today. What I'm saying is look, the whole thing is like, he's not glorifying none of it. He's just telling you like, his man was locked up for a body and he took a charge. Know what I'm saying? He took the charge because his man was locked up already and his man is calling him - Rob Markman, cuz he really caught the body, nigga. Rob Markman, I know he did. But look, he's not glorifying it. He's just telling you your loyalty.

1:33:08Because if you catch a body and you locked up and you calling me, yo, when you gonna take the charge. We're gonna take charge." And my pops is in my ear, he's like, I'm saying, you know you don't have to do this. The streets. I would've been like, Dad, you know what? You're right. It's the streets, nigga. And my pops said, I'ma get you up out of here. It's the streets. He didn't just say don't do it. He said, nigga, I'ma get you up out of here. Get you up out of here. You're gonna move. You're gonna move. I'ma say you're gonna move out of here. So was your pops on some street shit too? Nah. Okay, copy, copy.

1:33:32He just understood it. Nah, he understood it and he did that, but he was a straight 95 for 20 years and all Rob Markman, Okay, okay. Rob Markman, But he knew the street, we still lived in Harlem, so he had to navigate a certain way. Rob Markman, I ain't just know if it really ran into family, like your cops caught the body, you caught the body, alright, cop, you suck that. Rob Markman, So loyalty and lies, y 'all make sure y 'all get the book, make some noise for my man Roger Bond. Rob Markman, Definitely man. Rob Markman, And yo, what's some advice you would give the youth streetwise and industry wise being around one of the biggest names, Puff Daddy, and you being in and out of prison and you survived, you know what I mean?

1:34:09I tell people all the time, I get that question a lot and I tell them young boys all the time, first of all you gotta keep your vision. You know what I'm saying? One of the guys that really stand out to me is A Boogie. Rob Markman - So after A Boogie, that's our guy, we had him on here. Rob Markman - Yeah, we had him on the show, yeah. Rob Markman - He stand out to me, even though he's younger than me, I know some of the people that he's with, some of the people that's bringing him up - Rob Markman - And they real loyal to each other, man. Rob Markman - And they real loyal to each other. Rob Markman - Yeah, high bridge getting a lot of money.

1:34:36Rob Markman - They cool as loyal. Rob Markman - They cool as loyal. Rob Markman, Yeah. Rob Markman, You're right about that. That's a fact, man. Rob Markman, And they've been like that from day one. Rob Markman, Yes. That's a fact. Rob Markman, You know what I'm saying? That's a fact. Rob Markman, So when people ask me, I go back to that. And I say that's one example of money not changing a relationship. You know what I'm saying? So I tell these young brothers, I say, yo, just because he got money don't mean that he's the smartest one. You know what I'm saying? Rob Markman, People feel like, oh, because he's successful, he got money, I should listen to him.

1:35:01Nah. If that nigga run into the fucking war, you gonna run into the war just because he ran the war he got a million dollars in the bank no so you got to make your decisions yeah i'm gonna follow you on some things but then on some things i'm gonna be my own person and i if that don't feel right it ain't right definitely point blank not only that when you look at and i'm gonna use another example when you look at jay when you look at puff you can't name one person around puff that was with him when he started. Not one. If I told you, yo, name me one, you can't name one. All of the names that people would say, nah, they don't work for Puff.

1:35:41They don't work for Puff. They might be his friends if they do their own thing. But when you look at Jay, you say, okay, I see Warren. I see Ty. I see Emery. I see Jay. You know what I'm saying? I see Kodak. Like you see people who, and see Puff thing, what really damaged Puff was when he has his homies like me around and stuff like that, he still gives that executive power or that executive call to the people that he don't know. Right. Just because they went to college or just because they graduated from Yale. Okay, one thing you got to learn how to separate things. Okay, when it comes to business, I ain't going to let Barnes pick up the phone and make no million dollar call.

1:36:23Right. But when it comes to my life, I'm like, y 'all pick up the phone and call. That's my guy, that's facts, facts, that's my guy. So you probably can't call such and such, you can't call a nigga from West bubble fuck that nigga say, yo, nah. And then you say something about 50, hold up, I gotta listen to what Yale say because he know more about the person. We not tell, because I always tell people, the person that you see is not that person. That's the mask that they put on before they come out to society. But a nigga who been with him for 10, 20 years, he knows the person. You know what I'm saying?

1:37:00So I tell these kids all the time, yo, don't let that stuff get you to the point where you'll do anything for that person. You know what I'm saying? And I tell them, I say, yo, family is the most important. I don't give a fuck. Family is the most important thing that a person got. That's right. You know what I'm saying? Especially when you're a dude. You know what I'm saying? We been on the visit rooms, man. Ain't nobody down there. I ain't saying everybody. But ain't nobody down there but 60 year old, 70 year old mother. Coming to see her son. That's right. And that's why we want everybody to get this book from a guy that's real.

1:37:32It's the real report. Tell them where we can find the book at man, Barnes. Everywhere. Everywhere. Amazon, let them everywhere. You can Google Roger Barnes, it'll come up. Everywhere. The book is everywhere. Shopify everywhere. Make sure y 'all pick it up man. Thanks for having you on the show, Roger Barnes. This money is helping with my son, so please go get the book. Definitely, man. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. Support the book and let's help get Roger Barnes' son home, man. He in Africa, crazy charges. Let's get him home, man. Let's go.

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