In short
Episode topic: Tim Thomas discusses his basketball journey from Patterson, NJ; NBA style changes; the Melo vs. Brunson debate for Knicks legacy; NIL money’s impact on college basketball; and his Rucker Park/Terror Squad/Fat Joe connections.
Guest backgrounds
Tim Thomas is a former NBA player (notably with the Knicks) and a Patterson, NJ native. He also runs a youth basketball program (“Tim Thomas Players”) that has produced dozens of pros and sent thousands of kids to college. The episode includes stories involving Fat Joe and Stephon Marbury (and references to Kobe, LeBron, KG, and others).
Key claims
- Melo has the better overall Knicks career, but Brunson should be respected because he’s winning now.
- NIL is keeping more players in college longer, reducing early NBA entry.
- The NBA’s rules shifted toward “European rules,” contributing to higher scoring.
- G League is described as a risky path (“like prison”), pushing players to stay in college.
Notable examples
- Tim’s injury from a Nets-Knicks incident involving Kenyon Martin.
- “Suits” era in the NBA tied to Allen Iverson-style fashion.
- Tim’s Rucker Park experience playing with Fat Joe and Terror Squad.
- A story about Stephon Marbury’s on-court chemistry issues after G-Unit/Terror Squad drama.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroducing Tim Thomas
3:26 to 4:08
Introduction of Tim Thomas and the vibe of their friendship.
“Y 'all got to go on these guys' Instagrams and watch them when they travel.”
Growing Up in Patterson
4:08 to 5:00
Tim shares his upbringing in Patterson, NJ and basketball journey.
“New York legendary Nick from Patterson, New Jersey.”
Developing a Versatile Game
5:00 to 5:50
Discussion on how Tim developed his basketball skills in parks.
“And the next thing you know, I was the best sixth grade in the country.”
Rivalry with Kenyon Martin
5:50 to 6:40
Tim recounts his rivalry with Kenyon Martin and a specific incident.
“I think it was Swaggy P beefing with Kenya Martin.”
Impact of Media and Retaliation
6:40 to 8:00
Tim discusses media drama and team dynamics during his career.
“Like how a whole murder down when they run up on him, put a wrap up.”
LeBron's Early Days
8:00 to 9:20
Tim shares insights about LeBron James during his rookie years.
“So that's why he constantly keep talking and saying different things.”
Dressing Code Evolution in NBA
9:20 to 10:30
Discussion on the changing dress codes in the NBA and its cultural impact.
“And, you know, if you got a problem, do something when you see me, sucker.”
LeBron vs Kobe Debate
10:30 to 11:40
Engaging discussion about the rivalry between LeBron and Kobe.
“But this generation is more about their brand.”
AAU Experiences with Legends
11:40 to 13:00
Tim reflects on his early AAU games with stars like Vince Carter and Kobe.
“Like, did you see all of this in LeBron early, where you was with him?”
Reflecting on Early Basketball Experiences
14:02 to 17:20
Listeners will learn about the early experiences of playing basketball with legends like Kobe Bryant and Vince Carter.
“and they was able to do what they needed to do.”
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The Evolution of the NBA and Today's Game
17:21 to 22:46
Explore how the NBA has changed over the years, including differences in gameplay and rules.
“Because you had kind of a style similar to today's game.”
NIL Money and Its Impact on College Players
22:47 to 25:49
Discuss the implications of NIL deals on college athletes and how it has transformed their decisions regarding the NBA.
“It's been a long bumpy road dealing with yet another bladder infection.”
Playing at Rucker Park with Fat Joe
27:25 to 28:00
Tim Thomas shares his experiences playing at Rucker Park and the impact of hip-hop culture on basketball.
“There'll be times where, like, he'll be trying to create and make a play, and he'll pass me the ball.”
Tim's Rap Studio Stories
28:00 to 29:15
Explore Tim's early experiences in the music scene and his connections with artists.
“So it'll be stuff like that, but yeah, it definitely, definitely affected us a whole lot, man.”
Club Encounter in Miami
29:15 to 30:45
Tim shares a tense yet humorous story about an unexpected encounter at a Miami club.
“So, Fifth had just bought me a, it wasn't the spinner chain, but it was similar.”
Steph's Unique Arrival
30:45 to 32:00
Tim reflects on a memorable moment involving Steph Curry and a stretch limo.
“to talk about the Steph shit, we was in L.A.”
Growing Up in Patterson
32:00 to 33:58
A deep dive into Tim's upbringing in Patterson and the challenges faced.
“I mean, obviously the hometown right here.”
Mentorship and Community Impact
33:58 to 35:50
Tim discusses his mentorship program and its importance for local youth.
“Yeah, so, you know, I call myself Jersey.”
Tim's Legacy and Youth Programs
39:26 to 41:03
Tim reflects on the impact of his youth basketball program and its successes.
“So the program itself, we produced 28 pros, 20 McDonald's All-Americans, and I sent over 15K kids off to college.”
Dream Basketball Team
41:03 to 42:00
Tim shares his thoughts on his ideal basketball lineup and inspirations.
“I'll be like, let me stay one more year.”
Building the Ultimate Basketball Team
42:00 to 43:52
Discussion on selecting the best players for a dream basketball team.
“Yeah, Scotty, because he played both ends.”
Balancing Fame and Lifestyle in Basketball
43:52 to 46:04
Insights into how basketball players manage their lifestyles and responsibilities.
“So it's the same thing with basketball, right?”
Navigating Youth Sports and Parental Pressure
46:04 to 50:59
Discussion on the importance of letting kids enjoy sports without pressure.
“He's the only guy that can, you know, when you go to the VIP section, you know the section you never end.”
Tim Thomas's Experience in Basketball
50:59 to 51:40
Tim Thomas reflects on his career and experiences in basketball.
“I got them playing basketball, baseball, and soccer.”
Transcript
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3:38Tony Yayo:When we come home, we're not friends. He got kids. We ain't friends. We go on tour with friends. Can I talk now? Can I ask my brother something? No, I want to ask him something. No. Go ahead. He didn't get stabbed. Go ahead. Shut the up. Okay. Bro, bro. What's the point? You get movies with? Oh. Bro. Yo, bro. All right. Get out my video. I would guess I would. Get out my business. Get out my business. We're glad to have you here. New York legendary Nick from Patterson, New Jersey. Make some noise, y 'all. Come on. Yes, sir. So how did growing up in Jersey, how did it take you on your basketball journey?
4:21I mean, it was just, you know, like any other inner city. You got, you know, you got your suburbs. You got your hood. For me growing up in Patterson, I lived all over. Right. You know, so I was able to connect with, you know, a little bit of everybody. And at that time, we had a lot of guys that was actually playing ball. You know, so they was a little older than me and all of that. So I was just following suit. You know what I'm saying? It's like anything else. You know, you see the hustlers and they got nice cars by Zay Blah. Right. You fall in love with something and you just follow suit. So I was chasing those guys around, you know, just trying to make my mark on things.
4:59And, you know, once I got into like the fifth grade, started traveling, going to camps and shit like that, went out to this camp called Five Star, destroyed out there. And the next thing you know, I was the best sixth grade in the country. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
5:15Tony Yayo:Yeah, because you got more of a versatile game, like you was a big man shooting the three. Yeah, yeah. So, how'd you build a game? That's the parks. Because you was doing that early, like a big man shooting the three. Yeah, yeah, but that's. Now it's like every day in basketball. Yeah, but that's the parks, man. You know, you're on the playground and shit, and you out there, and, you know, you might play one game at 1 o 'clock. Next game be 4 o 'clock if you lose. You know what I mean? So you have to go out there and be able to do multiple things to, you know, sustain. So that's from the park, man, just, you know, having that.
5:45And actually, God blessing me with the talent. You know what I'm saying? So just, you know, putting it through.
5:49Tony Yayo:I seen something a few weeks ago online. I think it was Swaggy P beefing with Kenya Martin. It made me think about you and Kenya Martin. Yeah, yeah. So I talk about that a little bit. How did that wind up? Like, how did you know I like drama? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it's about. It's Uncle Murdo. It's Uncle Murdo. You know what it is. No, no, no. So I was actually with the Knicks, and he was with the Nets. They beat us, and one of his teammates came across and, like, kind of clotheslined me. So when he clotheslined me, I was, like, I was numb on one side of my body. So I had to go to the hospital, IV, blah, blah, blah.
6:21So I was out of the series. So, you know, it's like anything else.
6:25Tony Yayo:Damn, I didn't even remember it went that deep. Like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's my livelihood. That's how I'm feeding my family. You know what I'm saying? So me and Jason Collins, we actually had the same agent. So he called to check in on me, blah, blah, blah. So I was more pissed off at my teammates for not retaliating. You know what I'm saying? It's like anything else. You know what I mean? So ride out. Right. Exactly. Like how a whole murder down when they run up on him, put a wrap up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Just like that. Same, same, same. So, you know, it went back and forth.
6:57in the media. And then he said something that caught my attention, like, put us in the room and let's see who walk out. So now that's like some... Oh, he don't know he talking to someone? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Patterson in Jersey? Yeah, so now it's different. So, you know, the rest of that summer's going on. So I actually caught him in a club in New York. He had his cool shoes on. He was in there. He had the church shoes on, the cool shoes. So I caught him in there. He put his back up against the wall. So I'm like, we already know a decibel of course. You know what I'm saying? So you don't want no smoke, no nothing or whatever.
7:32So I just completely let it be. So you know in the summertime we do a lot of charity events and different events so I had to go to Dallas like a week later which where he lives. So I've been flying private. We've been playing with those things. Before they started.
7:49Tony Yayo:Tell them Tim. Before it was cool. Before they started going and trying to figure out what you got in your bag. So we get out there and And I kind of embarrassed him in his own town. So that's why he constantly keep talking and saying different things. And then the rest of my career, every time I would get a chance, I would just poke at him. You know what I'm saying? It was an incident in Phoenix. It's crazy because you mad humble. I knew you for years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, man. But once I flip, man, it's on. Once that Patterson, Jerry. So to go back to what you're saying, I completely left it alone.
8:26Like me and this dude, we're damn near neighbors in California. Okay, look at that. Same dentist, same grocery store, same gas station, same mall. Our wives had kids around the same time, same doctor. Like this could have, you know what I'm saying? Like we could have been got it on. You know what I'm saying? That's petty. Exactly. So what he's mad about is one of his teammates, good brother from the city, Julius Hodge. Julius Hodge was in the weight room one time. I caught him right before the game. I was about to rough him up a little bit. Julius stopped the action. And being that Julius stopped the action, that's when we had to wear suits in the league.
9:05So Kmart went and bought him five suits and a TV, you know what I'm saying, to try to keep everybody from knowing what's going on with the situation. But, you know, for me, it ain't about nothing. And, you know, for him, he understand and know exactly what it is. And, you know, if you got a problem, do something when you see me, sucker. That's crazy.
9:23Tony Yayo:God damn. You heard that here. That's what a murder like that. We like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what we like, Tim. We could talk about that suit. Because I remember that. That was like the Allen Overson time. Yeah, Tom. Like, y 'all had like the rules. Yeah, yeah. So they was. What was that about? Because the younger generation don't know. Yeah, so, you know, shout out to my brother AI. Just did his All-American game down in VA. Okay, shout out to AI, man. So AI took a lot of bullets for a lot of cats to be able to do what they doing now. you know what I'm saying so the tattoos the cornrows all of that shit and it was getting out of control cause everybody was dressing like AI you know what I'm saying so the league was like yo we can't have the 5X t-shirts the jewels you know what I'm saying cats like that coming in and everybody's making millions of dollars so they wanted to tone it down so they put us in suits man so you know it was cool I mean a lot of us you know we all grew up going to church different shit like that so it was cool.
10:21You know what I mean? But it was more of a corporate thing to get to where the league is at now. I feel like the
10:26Tony Yayo:league need to put a dress code now the way some of these ballplayers dress sometimes. Nah, man. It's cool. It's cool. It's just the style change. But this generation is more about their brand. See, we was running around while, you know what I'm saying? Like, if we was connected to a certain rap group or whatever, you had a little stigma on you and shit like that. But now these guys, they all about their brand. Like, I just came in and said, Yo, I ain't getting paid for this. You know what I'm saying? We don't talk, though. That's what they on. You know what I'm saying? So it's different times.
10:57It's different times. Smart will to holler at us. Yeah, definitely holler at us now. You know what I'm saying? Hold up. Hold up. Can I talk? Hold up. Hold up. No, you hold on. Here we go. This is what I love. No, y 'all got to go in. No, no. I got to. Hold on. Let me tell the world. Let me tell the world right quick. Y 'all got to go on these guys' Instagrams and watch them when they travel. That's all they do. I don't even like this guy. I like this guy. He always want to talk, Tim. We only friends on tour. We only friends on tour.
11:20Tony Yayo:When we come home, we're not friends. He got kids. He got them. We ain't friends. We go on tour with friends. Can I talk now? Can I ask my brother something? No, I want to ask him something. No, no. Go ahead, man. Go ahead. Damn. No, I want to ask him. Boy, I tell you. Because you know he's a fucking LeBron fan anyway. Uh-oh. That's what I want to say. You was with LeBron early. That's what I want to ask you. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. No, we're going to get back to you. Did you see things like that in LeBron? I wanted to know. Because that is my favorite play. I'm not going to lie to you about that.
11:46Tony Yayo:Go ahead, go ahead. I know you went to Rush LeBron. So that's what I'm in. We always talk about LeBron. Go ahead, go ahead. Now, you was with LeBron early, right? Did you see certain things in him? Like, did you see all of this in LeBron early, where you was with him? Like, what did you see in him? When he first came in the league, you got to remember the league was physical. It was still physical. It was fading out to this new era. So, I mean, you could go back and look at it. He had some struggles, right? I think he ran up against that Detroit Pistons team. I'm not really sure. I think Orlando gave him a little problem.
12:16They stopped him from getting in and I remember that. Yeah, so he had to go through, you know, his growing spurts to get to, you know, where he's at. You know what I'm saying? So, definitely, man. But, I mean, everybody knew that he was talented. He benefited off of all the things that, you know, myself, Kobe, Jermaine O 'Neal, guys like that, started before him from that high school side of things coming up. But we all knew he was talented. I mean, obviously, you got to get in and put your plant down, make your mark, and he definitely did that. Definitely.
12:50Tony Yayo:So how was it playing on the Cavs? I never played with the Cavs. I played against them. Oh, okay. So when he first came in, it was so much hype. He was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, all that stuff, and I like to get all that stuff for the kids. So, you know, I went... His teammates was sitting on him too. Well, you know, that's just part of it. You know what I'm saying? They were like, I don't think this high school kid could come in here and really do nothing. That was Miles and all. Yeah, yeah, D-Miles. Shout out to D-Miles. D-Miles, yeah, yeah. I remember all that. That's a fact. Yeah, because, you know, at that time, man, like, we only had KG as our guidance.
13:26Gotcha. A guy who came out and had some success in Minnesota from high school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. You know what I'm saying? And then, you know, when Colt did it, Colt, people forget, Colt struggled his first two years.
13:37Tony Yayo:And he didn't start right away. Right. It was a struggle his first two years. He didn't start right away like that. You know what I mean? Jermaine O 'Neal, he struggled his first two years, not starting and shit like that. So, you know, KG was the only one that got in, went right to work and shit like that. But, you know, the LeBron thing, I think it was perfect for him because he went to an organization that was trying to build. And obviously they had a bunch of young guys there. He came in and he just fit right in with the young guys and they was able to do what they needed to do. All right, now I can talk.
14:08Tony Yayo:We let you talk. You asked the wrong question. I wasn't playing on the Cavs. I got to give him to the Cavs. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. I don't know what I was thinking. Exactly. Me neither. I don't know what I was thinking with that. Blame me and Marcus with that. I don't know. Blame Marcus for that. Because I never knew him playing for the Cavs. Marcus put that in the, you know, And he's fucking Q-Cards. Can't blame him. What I wanted to ask you is, because he's going to go with LeBron. And, you know, him and my man, like, they always argue. He always go with Kobe. Right. So I love when they argue.
14:42Tony Yayo:It's like every day. Right, right. LeBron and Kobe. I'm going to go with Jordan. You know what I'm saying? That's why I'm going to go with Jordan. That's always been my favorite player. How was it playing AAU, you know, games early with, like, Vince Carter and Kobe Bryant? those two greats. So the way that shit happened was crazy because people forget Kobe was overseas. So when he came to the States, he was trying to catch up with the game, like most cats would do coming from overseas. So he got with Sham God, get his handles together, and then he played with us to just get a foundation of how the speed and the strength of the game was.
15:24and you could just see the determination in him. He would pull up from deep, shoot an air ball, and then we'll be like, yo, man, get closer than that. He'll go right back to the same spot and shoot that bitch again, and it'd be all money. You know what I mean? But you could just see it early in him. And then we was rock stars, man. The shit that the kids is doing now, playing AAU at college universities and high school games on ESPN. LeBron got that on ESPN. That was some of the things that was, you know, put in for us, but we was never able to capitalize you know, on those situations. Like one example, like me and Cole was an hour and a half away from each other.
16:04So in our class in 96, towards the end, it was basically who you like. If you like, you know, if you like McDonald's and you like Burger King, you know what I'm saying? So it was one and two in so many people's eyes. And we could have played a game, a high school game at the Garden or at the Spectrum in Philly or at any college against each other. Look at that. But we never was able to make that game. You know what I'm saying? Hey, look at that. But that AAU stuff with the players, you know, shout out to the players, shout out to everybody who came through the program. But that, for us, man, we was like rock stars.
16:42We were seeing the stuff that everybody caught on later with Vince Carter, we were seeing that early. Early, gotcha. early like, damn, what the fuck he just do? Wait, did he really do that? We was seeing that shit early, you know what I'm saying? And then, you know, obviously Cole, you know, transitioning over and becoming a player that, you know, he became. Yeah, rest in peace to Kobe. Yeah, definitely, man. You know, Cole passed away, man. My West Coast crib was in Hitter Hills in Calabasas. Cole passed away maybe about five minutes away from me.
17:14Tony Yayo:Damn, look at that shit. So yeah. Rest in peace, man, legend, man. How do you think today's NBA is different from around your era? You can't touch it. Because you had kind of a style similar to today's game. I feel like you was a little ahead of your time a little bit. Definitely. So it was cats like Deadlift Shrimp, Derek Coleman, Billy Owens, Steve Smith, you know, 6 '9", can handle shooting. That can shoot. That can still shoot. Got that dribble as well. Guys like that that came before me. But the difference now is basically all of the rules is European rules. So you're seeing all threes and you're seeing guys being able to move and go wherever they want on the court.
17:59In my era, motherfucker chuck you. You cut through the lane and you're not looking. Bang, they're going to give you a quick one. You know what I mean? So then you had the hand check-in and stuff like that. So they took that style of play out, and now that's why you see scores 135 135 to 110. You know, 145 to 120. You know what I'm saying? So you can't even determine, like, yo, this going to be, you know, a low-scoring game.
18:25Tony Yayo:So speaking of Knicks, right, who you think had the – not the better player overall, but the better Knick career so far between Brunson and Melo? That was my fucking question. Get out of here, man. He's talking too fucking much today, man. You know it's basketball. You know, because he feel like he know his basketball. I know he got me on my little basketball. Yo, he got to let me fucking take something. Because we was going to say, who you think is better? Brunson or would you say Melo? Because that was really, that was the debate. Not betting, betting Nick career. All right, I feel what you're saying, but all around, that was with the comparison on Instagram.
19:04Tony Yayo:Melo and Brunson. Shout out to Stay Melo, too. Make sure y 'all get that Stay Melo. Stay Melo. Yes, good stuff. so Melo actually is a Hall of Famer right so as far as career he's reached the tip top Brunson is still climbing I will put Melo you to my better Nick career but Nick right now is you gotta say you gotta say JB because he's winning and that's the bottom line that's what it comes down to You know what I'm saying? So, like, I don't know Mello's full Nick career. I know he averaged certain points and did his thing or whatever, whatever. But winning, that takes it all. So, Trey, you got to put some respect on JB.
19:57Tony Yayo:Yeah, yeah, definitely. Got you. You know what I mean? So, it's, you know. Let me ask you another question. How do you feel about, like, kids making money in college now? Because I know back in the days it wasn't like that. You think a kid should rush to go to the NBA? They not. The draft? They not. But that's part of the problem. Like a Cooper flag. Like, I know he's first round pick, so. Yeah, I mean, you know, the kids that have the desire and the heart to want to pursue that shit and go after it, those are the kids that's going after it. Right. Now you got kids that's just going to college.
20:32They're going from high school trying to get into college just for the NIL deal, and they trying to stay in school six years. five, six years. They can still get it back. Yeah, so think about it. How do deals look, too? So think about it. I was about to break it down. So think about it. If you play Division I basketball and you're a starter, you can make anywhere between two to five million dollars. Wow. And that's just off of an NIL deal. The school, the university can actually pay you as well. So in reality, in one year, you can make eight million dollars. You see what I'm saying? Or 10. Stay in school.
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21:08Tony Yayo:They didn't have that when you was growing up. Hell no. They didn't have that shit when I was coming up. Meanwhile, if you what? Yeah, because if you make second round, you might not even be making that kind of money. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. So the other part about it, too, is basketball players know now that the G League is like prison. You get into the G League, ain't no telling if you're coming out. A lot of cats don't, they don't, they sign two-way deals. Everybody not Bronny James, right? But not even that. Like, they signed, you know, two-way deals, but they're only going to play in the one league.
21:47Right. So they might bring them up. If a guy get hurt, they'll bring them up for a week, two weeks. Or they might even put you on a playoff roster. But you're not going to go in and play. You know what I'm saying?
22:00Tony Yayo:Unless a lot of people get hurt. Yeah, the cars got to flip crazy. You know what I'm saying? Got you. So cats now in high school, I mean, in college, they're like, yo, we might as well just stay in school and make as much bread as we can. And then if the opportunity is there later, we're going to go later. Cool. We'll take it. But let's secure this bag first. But the other thing, too, that's killing the game is that the kids that are actually in college playing, they're older now. So they're 26, 27, 28. You know what I'm saying? Junior, seniors. So now when you do go pro, you're already kind of old.
22:38Exactly. So now you've got a good nine, ten years to play. You know what I'm saying? So that's, you know.
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25:52Tony Yayo:Every day, man, with the legend. Yeah, yeah. What was your Ellis Rutgers experience, you would say? Rutger Park? Yeah. Well, shit, you know, I played with Terrible Squad. I played with Fat Joe and Terrible Squad. Oh, man. You know what to hear about? We cool now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Talking about that drama. So I remember a little bit, before I was with G-Unit, but I remember G-Unit and Terrible Squad drama. How did that affect your relationship with Steph on my back? Oh, it was crazy. Steph don't remember it because we both was kids. First of all, we grew up together. I knew his dad, I knew his moms, his brothers, everybody.
26:26You know what I mean? So I played with the Galachos. We was always going to camps and shit together. But when we got here together, both our heads were so fucking big because we was both excited to be home playing, you know, in the Mecca. My very first game, I'll never forget, was on ABC. I played against a team that traded me, Milwaukee Bucks. And we was down like 14, 15 and a half. We came back with one. And that was like one of the best feelings because the first half, I stunk it up. second half I got going, he just kept giving me the ball. You know what I'm saying? So I thought right then and then, I'm like, yo, this shit going to be crazy because he know I can score the ball and he got the ball all the time.
27:06He can go do his thing when he want to. You know what I mean? But when that shit happened, it was like, it took us back so far because me and him both stopped hanging out. We stopped talking to each other. And then you could see that chemistry also on the court. You know what I'm saying? So it'll be times, and he don't remember this shit, There'll be times where, like, he'll be trying to create and make a play, and he'll pass me the ball. It'll probably be, like, seven seconds on the clock. But he'll pass it to where I'm not in range to catch and shoot or catch and do something. It might be at my ankles.
27:39I'm 6 '10".
27:41Tony Yayo:So I got to go get it. So hold up. You feel like he was doing it on purpose, Jeremy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you mean? You feel like he was doing it on purpose? That's what it sounds like. Right, exactly. So I would have to go get the ball. I would have to bend down to get it. by the time I square myself up, now I see him running right behind the ball to get the ball. You know what I'm saying? So it'll be stuff like that, but yeah, it definitely, definitely affected us a whole lot, man. Yeah, she was in the first service squad. He wasn't around, man. Nah, he wasn't around. So I'm going to tell you another story.
28:11Tony Yayo:He was in the temp studio back then. You know that? Murder my God. Murder know a lot of people. I didn't know. I didn't know that. Yeah, of course. Now he happy. He happy. That's what I said. I'm happy. I ain't know that. I'm happy for you. Tim is my family too. I ain't know you was in the city. Let me tell y 'all. Let me tell y 'all. You had a rap studio? Yeah, yeah. I didn't talk about that. I ain't know Murda B. Yo, it'd be funny with this guy because like I'd be meeting people like for the first time like Conway the Machine and certain dudes and he'd butcher and Murda B like, yeah, I remember you first mixtape.
28:46Tony Yayo:He like, he got it. He always have his feet, you know, on the ground. So back in the day, man, we used to, we was doing the podcast stuff before it even started. Oh, wow. Yeah, so it was called Off Top Radio in the studio. So we had, my man was a DJ. So he had all the new music and bringing artists in and shit like that. Then he had models doing the interviews and shit. So it was like one of the first podcasts before podcast shit started way back then. But let me tell you a funny story about the G-Unit, Terror Squad shit. So, Fifth had just bought me a, it wasn't the spinner chain, but it was similar.
29:23It was a G unit chain. And I'm in season. So, we fly to Miami. We getting ready to play the heat and shit. So, we go to the club and I see everybody from TS, right? So, it's me and my man. So, I'm jeweled up. I'm feeling good. I'm in Miami. You know, the vibes is right. I walk in the club. Everything's shift. I see these niggas I'm like oh yo these niggas about to get me ain't no way I'm getting out of here right you see a whole bunch
29:54Tony Yayo:of Spanish niggas yeah so CS pieces so I tell the I tell the host I'm like yo you gotta put us wait a different you know put us somewhere else yeah so so they must have seen what I was trying to do whatever whatever so I get to my section way away from these motherfuckers and and next thing I know before I go order bottles they had already sent bottles up so I was like oh okay so I was like you know what what they drinking so I sent some bottles back down and shit like that if they did that shout out to Fat Joe, Rich, shout out to Pistol P everybody over there they basically let you know we ain't got a problem with you we gonna send you these bottles we actually woulda chill with you I thought for sure it was over that day I said oh it's a rap I done walked into a trap And then on the flip side, right, to talk about the Steph shit, we was in L.A.
30:50We was in L.A. shooting Banks video, Hands Up. And Steph came through in a stretch limo. You know niggas wasn't riding stretch limos no more. He come through in a stretch limo, bunch of people, models, whatever, whatever, and he dripped out. And God rest his soul, P. from Mobb Deep was like, yo, he ain't leaving here without that shit, son. I'm on that. I'm like, nah. No. No. Proud of you. Yeah, yeah. He was like, yo, he ain't leaving here with us. I'm like, nah, we good. We teammates.
31:20Tony Yayo:You think Marbury got, you think he got car jacked back in the days? Remember when, because you remember when, remember when, when Jay said, what Jay said? You Jay said, I won't be slipping like Marbury after life. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. And Coney Island? I thought you would know murder. I think something happened like that. That's something like that. Yeah. No, I'm just saying, I just remember that. Yeah, I think my bad too, Jay put him in the rhyme. I'm not laughing. Yeah, I know he was hot over that shit. I know he was hot over it. So, you know, it might have happened. But now, Steph, one of us, man.
31:46Y 'all got to look out for the brother. Nah, Steph, one of us, man. Yeah, definitely, man. Come on.
31:50Tony Yayo:Definitely a legend, bro. We trying to get him on here next to as well, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to make it happen. Yep. We're going to make it happen. So, we do something we call a quick fire round, right? And also, we ask questions right quick. So, um, Patterson or NYC? You know he's going to say Jersey. Oh, shit. That's why I said I don't know You don't know It might be a hard question Let the man answer the question You know he gonna go Jersey I mean Patterson is home man That's home You can't get what you can get Out of New York City Like it's so many boroughs So many different spots Like shit I mean Brooklyn is looking Totally different Brooklyn Queens is looking different You know what I mean So My city don't look different My shit still fucked up Yeah yeah yeah So Shout out to Patterson man But nah man I mean you know Home is home But New York it provides so many different things.
32:36Definitely. Which rappers you like out of Jersey? Oh, man. I mean, obviously the hometown right here. You know, Naughty. Those are my guys. They took care of me in college.
32:46Tony Yayo:Naughty by nature, yes. Yeah, yeah. KG. Oh, you was messing with them in college back in the year? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I went to Nova. Nova had a Nike deal. And KG from Naughty, he loves basketball and shit. So they would always get, you know, the newest shit, you know, the pennies and the Jordans or whatever. So he would send me the kicks. Like, yo, y 'all play Kentucky on, you know, CBS. Yo, wear these. I'm going to send these, blah, blah, blah. So at that time, I'm the number one player in the country. There's no NIL deal. Number one player in the country type shit. We just putting that out there.
33:24Tony Yayo:Stop cutting my man. Let him talk. Let him talk. No, that's money. You got to let him talk. Let him talk. Let him talk. Let him talk. Go on. So it's no NIL deals. We not getting no money, no nothing. So I went to Lapis. I was like, look, it's Nike. I'm still in the same brand. I'm wearing different shoes. So they just started flooding me with different shoes and shit like that. So, you know, they kept me fresh, man. But, you know, as far as rappers in Jersey, like, you know, I rock with a little bit of everybody, man. I like Al Biel. I like Al Biel. Yeah, definitely. Murda put me on the Al Biel.
33:56Tony Yayo:Yeah. I'm going to mess with him right now. Yeah, so, you know, I call myself Jersey. I don't just say, you know, I'm from Patterson. I move around and rep the jersey. Yeah, I rep the jersey all over. For sure. What was it like growing up in Patterson back then? Well, you know, moving, not just Patterson, just moving around. See, I seen the movie Lean On Me, right? Yeah. So I grew up, like, when I was in pre-K, well, not pre-K, let's say third grade, my school was on one corner. My house was on the same block, and Eastside High School was right behind me. So when that crack ever hit, nigga, It was on.
34:30It was crazy. It was crazy. You start seeing, you know, guys that was going to school, now high on the drug. Damn. Then you started seeing the cats that didn't have no money with money. It was like, yo, what the? Then you start, you know, as a kid, you start seeing all the blue tops, the red tops, the yellow tops all around. It was like, yo, this shit is unreal. You know what I'm saying? But Patterson is like any other city, man. Any other borough. You know what I'm saying? Bad parts. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? But you know, for us, man, like I always tell the youngsters like with the gang bang and shit, right?
35:06The city is too small. New York, LA, you got land, you can move around a little bit. And even in New York, it's still small. You know what I'm saying? It is, you think it's big, but it's really small. Yeah, but you know, in Patterson, like you can have an incident with, yeah, pause. You know, in Patterson, like you can have an incident downtown and you can live on one side of the town and before you get home, that person can even catch up to you. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, but Patterson is like any other hood, man. Yeah, I know, but you made it.
35:37Tony Yayo:We all made it. And, you know, God is good. And, you know, sometimes you look back and you be like, damn, look what I've been through. Like right now, you could stay in Calabasas and California and be Hollywood, but you come back. Talk about your mentorship and how you work with the kids in Jersey. Because you don't have to do that. Amazon Health AI presents Painful Thoughts. Why did I search the internet for answers to my cold sore problem? Now I'm stuck down a rabbit hole filled with images of alarmingly graphic sores in various stages of ooze. I can clear my search history, but I can never unsee that.
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39:21Tony Yayo:Apple Vacations, where your story starts. Yeah, so I started my program, Tim Thomas Players, my rookie year in 97. So this summer makes 29 summers. Come on, make sure. 29 summers. Yeah, 29 summers. Come on, man. For the kids, for the kids. So the program itself, we produced 28 pros, 20 McDonald's All-Americans, and I sent over 15K kids off to college. So that's just the start in life, you know what I mean? Man, that's good, man. And, you know, now being back, I'm coaching high school ball and just trying to share my experiences with the kids, you know what I mean? because, you know, a lot of them, you know, they don't really have that desire like we had, like to try to make it out.
40:10They're in better situations financially and stuff like that. So, you know, the hunger is not there. Too much social media, too much distractions. Yeah, it's so many different things that's out there. And we ain't even getting to the girls, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? But with all of that that's going on, I'm like, you guys got it made because now if you put in the work for four years in high school and your parents is paying for trainers and AAU and this is that, you can reap the benefits of it with the NIL. You know what I'm saying? So all you gotta do is put in the work for four years.
40:43You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it's kind of hard, but, you know, in the same time I enjoy it, man. You know, just
40:48Tony Yayo:8 million in college? Yeah, I might stay for a couple of years. Yeah, bro. Instead of rolling my dice with the NBA, right, Murk? I ain't know all that. Off the jerseys, you know what I mean? 8 million? I'm staying. I'll be like, let me stay one more year. Number 8, man. It's a kid that actually came through my program. He was at Tennessee. Young boy, Zakai. I don't really know what situation, but if you go on on social media, you'll see he's trying now to fight the NCAA to get back into college basketball. Wow. So therefore, he probably doesn't have a real situation pro-wise, or he's probably not on the draft board as a high draft pick.
41:34So now he's trying to get back into college. Eight million a year? Yeah, man. Rookies ain't making that. He's like, get that over there. You know what I'm saying? Word, word.
41:45Tony Yayo:So you know how rappers always ask each other, who's your top three and this, that, and the third? I want to know who's like your dream squad, your top five basketball players. Yeah, your dream team, your top five. That's a good question I can't put myself in it He gotta be able to put himself in it Come on, his top five that he wanna play with Put himself in it You put yourself in it So I'ma go I'ma go I'ma go Shaq at the center I'ma go Tim Duncan at the four I'ma go Scotty at the three Scotty Pippen at the three Scotty, okay. All right. Yeah, Scotty, because he played both ends. Scotty's been bugging out a little bit lately, but okay.
42:31Yeah, that's my guy. That's my OG. That's my OG. And, you know, Ron Harper is my OG as well. Got you. You know, sometimes you got to leave the big guy alone. Yeah, got you. You know, with MJ. But, again, they both won the same amount of range. Yeah, you can't knock all that. But, yeah, Scotty, yeah, he had too much.
42:54Tony Yayo:yeah yeah got you what was he on the Branson whatever he's drinking the Branson yeah how do you how do you balance that because like a lot of bowl players like between the finances like you have kids you know you're married hold up I need to get this I need to get my boy top oh we didn't finish top of the part so I ended up Scotty at the two shit at the two you gotta go MJ at the two and at the one man you gotta go Magic Magic over Step because I had people all get, they go, they debate over that too. Steph, Magic, Steph. Yeah, but I mean, again, it all depends on what you like. So me, I'm gonna go more to old, I could have went further, deeper, and say guys like Elgin Ballard.
43:40Got you. Or Will. You know what I'm saying? Taking the weight back. Yeah, but if I said that, these young kids would be like, who? What? I like that star five. That's a big five, you know what I mean? So we had Magic, and then I'll be coming off the bench. You know what I mean? I'll come off the bench You know he's hype
43:59Tony Yayo:He knew you I know he didn't know you I'm poor side Tony I'm poor side Tony He be in the nosebleeds How do you balance the lifestyle When you look at basketball A lot of the cocky players Out there Got all the chicks The cars you know I feel like do you feel like those guys are gonna win chips or the guys that settle down have their wife lay back like a Shea you look at a Shea he don't look like he club a lot he don't look like he's outside he might have a little jewelry like but how do you feel about that like how you balance the lifestyle and trying to win a chip at the same time well the season is so long man like you with your bro it's like y 'all always on the road right So y 'all probably together out of the year, maybe eight months out of the year with traveling.
44:55So it's the same thing with basketball, right? So guys got to have different outlets to kind of get their minds off of the day-to-day work. Because it is work. You know what I'm saying? It's fun. It's the best job in the world. One of the best jobs in the world. But you got to have different things to kind of balance yourself out. Some guys like to gamble. Some guys like the club. Some guys like the fish. Some guys like to, you know, fly planes and do different shit. You know what I mean? Got you. But at the end of the day, man, like every man is for themselves. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it's there.
45:29It's going to be presented. It's no secret. But it's how you indulge in it. You know what I'm saying? And some guys dive in and they can't swim. You know what I'm saying? Some guys, you know, figure it out, shit like that. But for me, man, I just knew my upbringing and that I was the only guy in my family to break the generational curse. So I just knew at that point, I got nieces and nephews behind me. There's no way I could just be out here just going wild. You know what I'm saying? Now, I have my moments. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you got cars.
46:04Tony Yayo:You got your jewelry. I know. Yeah, you got all of that. You know, I have planes, all that shit. Yeah, I've seen you do all that. Come on. I met him. He was turnt up. He was on some street. Like, we want to talk to him. I was Jack back. Yeah, you was doing some turkeys. Yeah, I was Jack back. I was drinking Jack Dames back then. That's why Kmart ain't want no shit. He was like, he's smoking. He's the only guy that can, you know, when you go to the VIP section, you know the section you never end. The VIP section. We got to get you in there. I think he told us never will. Next year, you will. The guy that connects him, he'll be the country.
46:37Tony Yayo:Connection. The VIP section is never end, right? You know, shout out to Branton, but you know, he's the man. Shout out to my guys. Yo, look. Yo, look. Shout out to Dre. Shout out to Dre. Now, look. He'll let all these sources out because then people start calling him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, what at it, Dre? So, look. He's the only guy that can have, like, when you go to the bar, there's never been Hennessy or nothing back there. Yo, give me a Tim Thomas. They pull out the Hennessy. Oh, for real? Yeah, 50 to see him. Look at that. Yeah, it's me. Me, you. Me, you, Jadakiss And I want to say Spree It's somebody else that drink Henny Only few that drink that Henny back then Next year Don't worry, I'm going to have Led Jet Lenny, VIP Let's go We got to get you in I'm a club We got to get him to the game Everybody's there Last game, one game I went to Dana White was there Gil King it was so many people there was one game I think I was kind of mastered them I said I think I seen you there Patrick Ewing it was Starks it was all y 'all oh yeah oh yeah it was like a whole Nick reunion oh yeah yeah yeah I may be sitting with that tell him Tim I was there shout out to John Starks foundation like he happy he was there y 'all see this guy yeah yeah he be in the spot he be in the building I'm on the building shout out to Garden of Dreams charity James Dolan you know on New York Knicks the NY Rangers I'm New York everywhere I go.
48:11Tony Yayo:Definitely. Because I always look at New York as we the most hating everywhere where we go, man. Yeah. That's how it was back in the day. Yeah, yeah. Out of town, you know, New York nigga come out of town, we mash up the town. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But talk about the water, man, because we should have brought some up here. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to get my water up here, man. It's called RX Water. You know, it's good tasting water. It got electrolytes in it. So if you're having a night out, you're drinking at Branson or whatever, and you need to recover, you don't need no Red Bull, no none of that.
48:39drink that drink that before you go to sleep as soon as you wake up in the morning bounce right back so we're gonna get that up here man we need some of that so we can get this smart water out of here we're gonna get this up out of here let's turn it around so I don't need so I heard you
48:53Tony Yayo:and Murda talking earlier right and I know he was his kids are young seven right and you was talking about them he wants to you know get trained by you and you told him don't put too much pressure on him now what did you mean by that well seven right seven eight I got eight year old and a five-year-old that I want to get them into a year. So my son is seven, right? So at this age, man, you don't want to take away from their livelihood because when they love, it's like rap, right? When you guys love it, you're going to dive all the way in. You know what I mean? So when a kid falls in love with whatever sport it is, they're going to fall in love with it and dive all the way in.
49:31And that's when they're going to come to you asking you for help. Right now, if you force it on them, you might be taking the love away from them. You know what I'm saying? And that's what's going on with a lot of the kids in youth sports. The parents is trying to live through the kids because they seeing what we see. They seeing LeBron or Steph signing for$300 million.
49:51Tony Yayo:$40 million a year. $50 million a year. Hold up. Yeah, so they see that. Now it's at the lower level with college. So they seeing it. So now everybody's trying to speed up the process. you know what I'm saying everybody has talent but if you don't love it you never gonna be able to do that shit every day consistently you know what I'm saying so it's like y 'all been performing the last year and a half the songs ain't change you doing the same songs different spot but you gotta get up for that shit like yo we doing this song that song this song you gotta get up to go perform that shit and it's just like that with sports you gotta go travel to wherever St.
50:35Louis or California whatever but you're gonna just play that same game you know what I mean so if you force them now you might just drain them from it you know what I mean from the experience or you might just pull all the blood away from them and they won't even love it no more
50:53Tony Yayo:you know what I mean you hear that parents you hear that out there don't put too much pressure on the kids and it's early but he's ready. I got them playing basketball, baseball, and soccer. Like you said, I see whatever one they actually fall in love with. Like you said, then hey, we work with it. Yeah, like my son, he's playing soccer. He's playing basketball. He just started hitting the baseball. So he don't know what he want to do. He want to do exactly. You know what I'm saying? They ain't the same age, man. You seven, eight. Yeah. Same thing. That's dope, man. That's dope. Man, I'm glad to have you here, man.
51:25Tony Yayo:We got Tim Thomas here. Definitely. Took out his time out his million dollar schedule to be on the podcast. We live from the hard rock. You know what I'm saying? And murder. I mean, what's good? I was glad to have you on my show and I'd like to have you on me again. Come on, Billy. My God. Who started this? Me, that's who. Me, that's who.
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On this episode of The Real Report, Tony Yayo and Uncle Murda sit down with former NBA forward Tim Thomas for a wild and insightful conversation about basketball, hip-hop, and growing up in New Jersey. Tim breaks down how the parks and street ball culture shaped his unique game, being ahead of his time as a stretch forward, and how the NBA has changed with more three-point shooting, European-style play, and NIL money influencing young athletes. The guys get into Tim’s memories playing AAU with Kobe Bryant and Vince Carter, his time as teammates with LeBron James, and stories from Rucker Park, including playing alongside Fat Joe during the era of G-Unit vs Terror Squad. Tim also talks about growing up in Paterson during the crack era, his relationship with Stephon Marbury, and building the Tim Thomas Playaz program to help the next generation reach college and the league. Plus, the crew debates whether Jalen Brunson or Carmelo Anthony has had the better New York Knicks career.
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