The Real Report - Treach on Naughty By Nature breakup, touring With Tupac, dating Pepa, & the making of 'O.P.P'

16 Aug 2026 · 54 min · 26 chapters

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In short

Treach (Naughty by Nature) discusses the group’s breakup with KG and Vinny, touring with Tupac, dating Pepa, and how “O.P.P.” was written, produced, and marketed; he also reflects on hip-hop’s past vs now and his acting career.

Guest backgrounds

Treach is a Jersey rapper/producer and longtime member of Naughty by Nature. Rob Markman is the interviewer/host. (Other referenced figures include Tupac Shakur, Pepa of Salt-N-Pepa, Queen Latifah, Public Enemy, Digital Underground, Heavy D, Ice-T, and others.)

Key claims

The KG/Vinny split “never” reunites, driven by betrayal/behind-the-back business and money/positions; Treach had to go through lawyers. He says “O.P.P.” was built for call-and-response and crowd participation, using a Michael Jackson/ABC sample with K.A.’s substitutions. He argues older artists still make money because hip-hop doesn’t have to “retire at 30.” He credits acting training and Charles Dutton/The Rock for early opportunities.

Notable examples

“O.P.P.” clean edits (“Other People’s Property”) while initials stayed; touring Europe/Switzerland and a 20,000-capacity festival; meeting Tupac on the road (1990 era) with Queen Latifah/Digital Underground/Public Enemy/Heavy D; acting credits including Jason’s Lyric, New Jack City (Nino Brown), and TV work like Law & Order/Sopranos/Empire.

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Naughty By Nature's Influence

2:16 to 3:22

Discussion on Naughty By Nature's impact and ongoing touring success.

“I'm the only rapper to do the Swiss Alps.”

Navigating the Music Industry

3:22 to 5:48

Insights into the complexities of the music industry and label practices.

“We was talking about how a lot of people try to like on the OGs and the legends, and these are the guys that's making the most money.”

Naughty By Nature's Future

5:48 to 7:40

Treach discusses the dynamics and relationships within Naughty By Nature.

“Rob Markman 1 - Man, I don't know no robot R2D2 out this motherfucker, like the Jetsons.”

The Making of 'O.P.P'

7:40 to 13:31

Treach elaborates on the creation and cultural impact of the song 'O.P.P'.

“damn why you say that once you get stabbed in the back once or twice the wound could heal maybe you might especially if you sandbox once you keep cutting the wound and then doing behind the back business deals.”

The Legacy of O.P.P

14:00 to 17:00

Discussion on the song 'O.P.P.' and its impact in hip-hop.

“To get the ladies, once you hear something, the ladies like boom.”

Treach's Acting Aspirations

17:00 to 22:40

Treach shares his experiences auditioning for roles and meeting Tupac.

“He's like, nah, I just ran for the role.”

Touring with Legends

22:40 to 26:10

A look back at the incredible tours with legends in hip-hop during the 90s.

“Rob Markman - So that was like for me and Pac the most safest, boom.”

The Influence of Female Artists

27:23 to 28:00

Discussion on the impact of female rappers like MC Light and Salt-N-Pepa.

“You know I gotta name one legendary group, you know what I'm saying?”

Nostalgia for Hip Hop Icons

28:00 to 28:36

Discussion about iconic female rappers and their impact on hip hop culture.

“When you think of back in the days, MC Light, and MC Light, definitely, everybody had a crush on her, but she had the tomboy shit going on.”

Memories of Spinderella

28:36 to 30:26

Recollections about Spinderella and debates about her legacy in hip hop.

“Rob Markman - Everybody thought they were saying, ah, pussy.”
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Meeting Pepa

30:26 to 31:11

Treach shares his first encounter with Pepa and their relationship timeline.

“So now the second one is the best one yet?”

Daughter's Fight Experience

31:11 to 32:32

Discussion about Treach's daughter's experience in fighting and family dynamics.

“But yo, so damn, you wifed it up and everything?”

Growing Up in Jersey

32:32 to 35:17

Treach reflects on his upbringing in New Jersey and the perception of life there.

“all the rest of that, setting up for destruction.”

The Evolution of Hip Hop

35:17 to 36:45

Conversation about the longevity of artists in hip hop and the industry's perception of age.

“Rob Markman - Well, you know rock and roll never put an age or age change.”

Current Hip Hop Artists

36:45 to 37:29

Treach shares his thoughts on current artists and their contributions to hip hop.

“Like when you hit Kendrick and Drake and Dolce and Lotto and Nicki.”

Transitioning to Acting

37:29 to 39:28

Treach discusses his journey into acting and experiences on set.

“Rob Markman, So talk about, because I know you was in plenty of other movies.”

Top Rappers from Jersey

39:28 to 42:01

Discussion on notable rappers from New Jersey and their impact on the genre.

“I can't speak all that shit yet, my nigga.”

Top Artists from Jersey

42:01 to 43:52

Discover which artists from New Jersey shaped the hip-hop landscape.

“There's so many different shits with motherfuckers that blew up and called me after the fact.”

The Impact of Hip-Hop Icons

43:53 to 46:31

Explore the influence of Queen Latifah, Redman, and others on hip-hop culture.

“from the 70s and Motowns and all that was Sugarhill Gang, Rapper's Delight.”

The Evolution of Hip-Hop Messages

46:32 to 50:11

Analyze the shift from positive messages in hip-hop to modern themes.

“You shoot the queen like tea for Flavor Unit.”

The Grimy Shift in Hip-Hop

50:12 to 53:39

Discuss how hip-hop's sound and themes changed over the years.

“The niggas were still shooting and selling drugs the next week, man.”

Touring and Future Plans

53:40 to 56:01

Learn about the current touring schedule and future plans of the artists.

“getting the motherfucking BBL, everybody's out there in a thong.”

Exploring Swiss Alps Experiences

56:01 to 57:28

The hosts discuss performances in the Swiss Alps and who was the first rapper to perform there.

“They doing a lot of other dates in Germany right now.”

Producer-Rapper Dynamics

57:28 to 58:36

A conversation about the relationships between producers and rappers, referencing Pete Rock and CL Smooth.

“Rob Markman - So do you think, this is what I'm going to ask you.”

Upcoming Tours and Documentary Plans

58:36 to 59:00

Discussion about upcoming tours featuring Tretch and the potential for a documentary.

“Yo, we gonna get the documentary or something soon?”

Upcoming Tours and Documentary Plans

1:00:42 to 1:00:56

Discussion about upcoming tours featuring Tretch and the potential for a documentary.

“Apple Vacations, where your story starts.”
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2:12Tony Yayo:Learn more at rasmussen.edu. Y 'all doing the Swiss Alps? Zurich. Zurich. Zurich. Yeah, we did Zurich before, Zurich. I'm the only rapper to do the Swiss Alps. That's why these niggas be mad at me. You the only one? I'm the first rapper to do the Swiss Alps. Who told you that? Fake news. Who told you that? Oh, fake news. Me and Pete Rock did that like nine years ago. Well, I'm after y 'all. I'm after y 'all. She always talking about he the only one in the first one. I'm after y 'all. You ain't seen it. I'm third then. I'm third. They told you that was Bigfoot's print. That was my feet. I already been in that snow.

2:57He didn't get stabbed. Shut the up. Bro, bro.

3:00Tony Yayo:You can't get movies with. Oh, shit. Bro. Yo, bro. All right. I got my video. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. We got stretch in the building. and the legend is still here. DJ, stretching the building, naughty by nature. You know the vibe. Breaking news. Real d***. We was talking about how a lot of people try to like on the OGs and the legends, and these are the guys that's making the most money. You know what I'm saying? They still touring. When I go overseas, shout out to JRU the Damager. I done seen Boyz II Men out there. I done seen Kairos one.

3:41Tony Yayo:Talk about you still touring, because I know you about to headline a tour with Busta Rhymes and a couple of other things. Rob Markman Yeah, we've been out there. We've been out there right now. We did the UK, we did Germany, going back out to Switzerland. So it's just an honor and pleasure. We out there is myself, Busta, Karras One, Onyx, Genuine, Shy, man. So it's like a naughty nineties run out this. Rob Markman Definitely, man. Rob Markman All over. Rob Markman And you said it was like a 20 ,000 capacity, man. Rob Markman 20 ,000. Rob Markman, that was a festival. Rob Markman, Obago Festival.

4:17Tony Yayo:Rob Markman, Obago Festival. Rob Markman, Yeah. Rob Markman, So we was just talking about like back there, we was talking about like when you dropped the record back in the days, traditionally, the label do something, if you didn't know, called shipping. Rob Markman, Like the label, you got hip hop parade. All right, that's doing it. Let's ship three, four hundred, right? Something like that. Rob Markman, Thousand. Rob Markman, Right. Now what do you think? Rob Markman, And then when that sell out, the label know to ship the other three hundred, four hundred thousand. It's like if you got the Kinect, right, and you ordered these keys, you got to get a down payment for them to bring them in.

4:51Right. So that's the pre-order. Right. So the pre-game, yep, that's how the labels did it.

4:56Tony Yayo:How do you feel about like bots and stuff like that, like where you can't really know what somebody really sold? Like your merch could be a part of your selling bundle. Something else could be a part of the selling bundle of a record sale. Hey, man. Hey, that don't sound like good negotiations. That sounds like nigga business from a white contract. You feel what I'm saying? I heard it's like something like, you get a billion streams of$30 ,000. What? If you got a penny for every fucking stream, you'd be okay. What? Somebody just giving you what they want to give you, who getting the major money?

5:37So the labels back then, they had to report the CDs, the vinyls, the cassettes. So it was a record of what you was doing because you had to buy those records to sell them. And it was paperwork. It was a trail. It was a receipt. Rob Markman 1 - Right. Rob Markman 1 - Man, I don't know no robot R2D2 out this motherfucker, like the Jetsons. I can't track my shit. Oh shit, you know what? You can't go for nobody in the label no more. You gotta go kill a computer. Shit done changed, right? It's crazy. Shit done changed. Yeah. Can't nobody say he ain't gonna come up here chasing me for no check. Facts.

6:15Facts. He gotta talk to the bots. The bots. Ain't that fucked up? Gotta talk to the bots, man. That's crazy. Crazy.

6:21Tony Yayo:But back then, you could track everything. Well, you know what Ice-T doing? That's my guy. He a genius. Shout out to Ice-T. That's my guy. Shout out to the OG. Shout out to Ice-T. Right now, he's putting out his first album in decades. is Criminal Migraine, double album, and you could only get it on Icet.com. Rob Markman - Oh, look at that. Rob Markman - No streaming platforms, nothing. He tracking everything go direct. So he's like, all my fans, all my riders, to get this one, come straight to me. It ain't nowhere else. Rob Markman - Right. Rob Markman - So it's cutting out the bots. Rob Markman - That's dope.

6:57Okay. Okay, Icet. We'll see you. Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman, Yeah.

7:00Tony Yayo:Rob Markman, So we was talking in the back, man. And you know, we got to ask you what's up with KG and Vinny, man. What's up with that? We all fans of Naughty by Nature. Rob Markman, Yeah. Rob Markman, And my man Harlem Legend was saying, yo, I don't see them together. What the fuck is going on? And I was like, that's a good question because I haven't seen y 'all together in a good while. Rob Markman, Yeah, yeah. Well that kind of, it kind of like broke a homie heart. You know what I mean? because I always said up until this day right here I always said well Nordi I can't say if we get back together not the future whatever it tells boom I can tell y 'all right now it'll never happen damn why you say that once you get stabbed in the back once or twice the wound could heal maybe you might especially if you sandbox once you keep cutting the wound and then doing behind the back business deals.

8:02And to this day, when it was always in my mind, it might could happen. I got to have a homie calling my management, my agents, promoters. Oh, no, that ain't naughty by nature. You'll have a case. If y 'all don't, I had to go through my lawyers, treachery, naughty by nature, and them of naughty by nature. All that's three ways. We could do it however we want. Don't try to kick my bag.

8:30Tony Yayo:Got you. Right. I ain't saying nothing out there to y 'all about nothing on no teddy bear tours. Right. What do you mean teddy bear tour? They got a teddy bear mascot. That ain't me under the teddy bear suit. Oh, oh. Yeah, yeah. Oh, so they got a fake Tretch out there. No, no, no. It's a DJ with a teddy bear suit on. Okay, got you. Okay, got you. And they got a microphone. Got you. Got you. Rob Markman, okay, got you. Rob Markman, but how do KG and Vinny do a show without Tretch? Rob Markman, No, it's like a DJ set. Rob Markman, Oh. Rob Markman, So, but the game is like it's naughty until you get there.

9:07Rob Markman, But how did all this shit start? Rob Markman, but over money, well money was the issue. Money fucked everything up, man. Rob Markman, No, it's not. It was playing positions. Rob Markman, They couldn't take that you was like Jordan. They didn't want to be like pipping and robbing and shit like that. When for the rest of they life, if you see written by Naughty by Nature on all the albums, it's because we get a third of writer's credit when I wrote everything. My homies got lifetime. And kicked my back in. So, it's the industry. You know, you live in love.

9:44Tony Yayo:So, you fighting for your rights, though, right? Because you can sell that catalog down the line. I got my rights. Yeah, I know. Yeah, congratulations to that, man. Passport Pippin. Passport Pippin, Torn. That's right. Rob Markman, Worldwide. Rob Markman, Because Storm know that Naughty By Nature catalog sell, it's going to be a big bag. Rob Markman, Nice. Rob Markman, Because you got to think that when you look at OPP, those for hip hop, what makes it big is like, I always talk about Run DMC was like the first group, I believe on MTV. Rob Markman, Yes. Rob Markman, What made your story crazy is like, y 'all came from Jersey, but y 'all conquered everywhere, even New York.

10:19Tony Yayo:Like I remember, you down with OPP? Like that was like the first massive crossover record in hip hop where kids was playing it. You seen it in movies. You seen it here. It's still lasting forever. Like it's a record that's not going nowhere. Hold on. So some of the merch that's still popping. We got OPP merch still. Sticker on the ass. Yeah. Day if we have to. The merch and stickers are selling. Yeah. You can sell a sticker for$100. $100. $100. $100. Meet and greets. Yo, what was the idea with the big ass chain? Because that made you stood out too. Like what was the big ass chain that you used to have, man?

11:00The chain always represented my homies that was locked down. Oh, right. Got you. Whenever they seen that, they knew I was repping them. Whether I'm like, shout out all the homies, Roll Wade, Trent State, Annadelle, Jamesburg, Jers. You know what I mean? they seen the chain. And the ill shit, every time I walked in the club, I walk in with the chain. So if it was a problem - Rob Markman - Take that bitch off and get busy. Rob Markman - This motherfucker. Rob Markman - What? Rob Markman - That was a good question. Rob Markman - What?

11:31Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - But getting back to OPF. Rob Markman - Yeah, yeah. Rob Markman - Because that, like I said, it was a record you seen in movies. It was likable to the kids. Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - Barbecue. Rob Markman - The Barbershop. MTV, it was a crossover record that even went to overseas and went to Europe. What's the process of making that record? How'd you come up with it? How'd you think about it? And when'd you know it was a fucking hit? Rob Markman Look, in the hood, it was a homie, big homie move around. So he was on the ass and he used to come around like, yo, I'm down with OPM.

12:03He was like, what's that? Other people money. So on the joke, it was like, we down with OPP. Other people pussy. Old Block, land, boom. Nicky, K.A. gave a track to me on Sunday. I started, I said, nigga, I'm gonna write a O or other people pussy records. So it wasn't nowhere near, we wouldn't know how to make a pop record. It was a Michael Jackson, ABC sample, Jackson 5. K.A. put substitution under there, put his production skills on that. Gave me the track. Rob Markman, Instead of just rhyming over it, I said, you know, we from the concepts on songs. Rob Markman, Of course, of course. Rob Markman, So OPP.

12:47Rob Markman, Look at that.

12:48Tony Yayo:Rob Markman, You know OPP? Rob Markman, Yeah, you know me. Rob Markman, And then they had to call and response, because we came out in 91. In the 80s, a lot of records was just a scratch hook. But we knew from parties when nobody knew us, we had to have a call and response. Rob Markman, So we put it on record. Like, hey ho. Rob Markman - Right. Rob Markman - Like, put the crowd the way we want them to get out. Rob Markman - Yeah, but OPP was crazy because it was kind of like a relationship record. Like, you know what I mean? You taking a nigga girl, you taking this woman. So it was crazy and the woman was saying, even a woman would take, you know what I mean?

13:25Tony Yayo:Your man. Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - So it was a dope record that kind of like was a crossover and just still here. How fast did it take y 'all to make that? Rob Markman - Man, not long. Rob Markman, cause I like writing like right there, everything there. I say give me 16 bars, give me a minute of bar. 16 minutes out of 16. So it was always writing cause we had the studio packed, everybody was in there. Yo, it just, Afro, Salima, they used to dance for like major hip hop groups and everything. Afro was in there and we was like, we need a girl to say, yeah, you know me. Rob Markman, Yeah.

14:03Rob Markman, So we double trip to trip. You know what I mean? To get the ladies, once you hear something, the ladies like boom. And the second verse was for the ladies. Other people, penis.

14:12Tony Yayo:Rob Markman, Right. Rob Markman, So they answer. Rob Markman, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rob Markman, Everybody got in and got a piece of it. Rob Markman, Right. Rob Markman, And yo, after they found out what the song was, they was looking for, they was bleeping shit out. We had to do edited versions on what it spells out to be. Rob Markman - Other people's property. Rob Markman - That was the - Rob Markman - Clean version for the shit. Rob Markman - Other people's property. Rob Markman - But OPP initials just stayed out there. Rob Markman - Look at that. Rob Markman - And then, yo, let me ask you a question.

14:43Tony Yayo:Because I know back in Queens, like in the clubs, they used to say, hey, ho, hey. Was you in Queens? Did you get that from Queens? Rob Markman - SNL stuffed in Linden, Jamaica. Rob Markman - Nah. Rob Markman - Queens. Hold on, hold on. Queens always win, but we heard that like in a gang of clubs. Like, hold on. It was like a thing you do. You know how you say, say ho, say out. Like, hey ho was like in that nigga. Nah, but they said you was in Queens. I heard he was in Queens. You ain't gonna give him that. Nah, he gotta give me that. You know why I heard it in Brooklyn. That sounds about right.

15:19All I'm saying is, in Queens, you see how niggas start. That sounds about right, my nigga. That was the rumor.

15:26Tony Yayo:They was like, yo, Tretch used to be in Queens all the time. In the hood. Yes. Something in Linden. And something in Linden. And LFM niggas and all them niggas used to be in the club. And they used, ho, hey, I didn't hear it in any other borough. I just heard it in Queens. I was like, I gotta ask you. Exactly. You was in Queens deep, heavy in them streets. You wasn't going to borough the borough. You going to hear it in Queens. I was going to borough the borough back in the days. He was, but he just... He heard it only in Queens. Yeah, he only did he hear it. That's a real live Queen. But you was in Queens though.

15:58Tony Yayo:So that was something for the motivation. Left Rack, shout out Left Rack. What's up Uncle Wise? You know I got to ask you, man. Because like I said, the thing about you is everything is legendary. Thank you. It's classic. From the music to the movies. Till this day, I still watch Juice. Thank you. You know, I didn't like Rottermans too much. I don't know why you was fucking with Rottermans. Because I was Dominican. I was from the Heights. I was with the Spanish gang. Adios mio coño, man. But you were supposed to be Bishop. No, no. I read for the role. Okay. Same time Pac read for the role. Pac went to school for acting.

16:41So he had the edge on you. That nigga had the edge on you. Nigga. I was done. I was in there reading like, Uh, were you, uh, Roderman. Yeah, like, he went up in there. I thought he was fighting. I come to the door. He walk out, I'm like, yo nigga, what's up? He's like, nah, I just ran for the role. I said, nigga, you got that. That motherfucker. You ain't me a believer. I knew it from the door. So, this what type nigga he was, he's like, you know what?

17:11Tony Yayo:Somebody just take his phone? Cause that shit just keep going off. Yeah, I'm about to do it. It's like, we gonna start picking it up. I got it. Or just turn it off. Yeah, that's something I can do right now.

17:22Tony Yayo:And that shit vibrate, man. That shit's going crazy. I thought it was in the low. Oh, now what you, now that shit sound like a beeper, yo. Yeah, it was going crazy. It was. That's what you do. Nah, that ain't no Android, but it's just. Oh, what's wrong with the joy? Y 'all some disrespectful. That's a motherfucking joy. My shit ain't doing that. My shit ain't doing that. Yo, but back to Pac at the reading. Rob Markman, so you wanted to play Bishop. Rob Markman, I read Queen Latifah always. Flavio Unid, shout out Flavio Unid. Rob Markman, Flavio Unid. Rob Markman, number legend. We need Queen Latifah on the show.

17:55Rob Markman, Yeah, I'ma tell her too. Rob Markman, Facts. Rob Markman, So she was like, you gonna be more than a rapper. We gonna get you in some movies, but you gotta read for them, da da da da. So like I said, when I read for Bishop, that was like my first time ever. So I learned so much from that first time. It ain't go down like that again, but I knew when this nigga walked up in that motherfucker, I knew what to do when I go up in that motherfucker. Learn the lines. I said, how you do that shit? Because I'm going to ask. If I don't know something, I'm going to ask. Park, like, listen, know your lines.

18:29Go out there and give it to them like if you was giving it to them. Know where the camera at. Know this, that, and the other. If a fly in your face, swat it. If your lips dry, lick them. If it's hot and you sweating all over, you don't look like a crackhead. Wipe the sweat off and talk. Rob Markman - Got you. Rob Markman - You know what I mean? Make it you. Make it like it's really happening right there.

18:51Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - He went to acting school with Jada Pickett. Rob Markman - Yup. Rob Markman - So he was the man. He was natural talent. Rob Markman - Every movie he was in and you was in was great. Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - But how you meet Pac though? Rob Markman - We was on the road. So it was Public Enemy, Queen Latifah, Digital Underground, Heavy D, rest in peace, Hev. Rest in peace, Hev. That was the first big fly nigga too, by the way. Yes, he was. Man was dancing. Yeah. Swag. So we all was on the road. I was with Latifah. I was a roadie. Pac was with Digital Underground. This when Latifah had Ladies First and all?

19:30Tony Yayo:All that. Ladies First? Yeah, yeah. Rob Markman, But when she came with you in 19, who you calling the bitch? Rob Markman, Yup. It was a rap like a doobie. Rob Markman, You was on that tour? She was like doing them records that time. Rob Markman, Yeah. Rob Markman, Wow. Rob Markman, We were all together. Public Enemy was headlining. Pop out. Roadies is, we was carrying bags. Rob Markman, Yeah, definitely. Rob Markman, Boom. Rob Markman, Okay, copy. Rob Markman, You know suitcases off the bus into the rooms, to the rooms, all that, and getting to perform on stage. I got the freestyle with Latifa.

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19:58he was doing the Humpty and same song. Rob Markman - So this before OBP? Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - Oh, shit. Rob Markman - Oh, this dude's paying.

20:07Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - Oh, all right, copy. Rob Markman - So I didn't know this. Rob Markman - Oh, so Pac was on the road with Queen Latifah. Rob Markman - No, he was on with Digital Underground. Rob Markman - Oh, with Digital Underground. Rob Markman - We met and I was with Latifah and then me and this nigga meet. Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - So we get per diem. Rob Markman - Per diem is like you get money a day to eat and do what you gotta do. Rob Markman - Yeah, yeah, yeah. We get out for DM every show, every town, and then go to the hood and buy weed. So we know niggas like right to this day that I knew like 35 years ago.

20:33Tony Yayo:So it's Queen Latifah, Digital Underground. Public Enemy, Heavy D. Ooh, that was a tour. We smashed it. I know that tour. That tour. That's fun. Yeah. Public Enemy, Heavy D, Queen Latifah. You - Digital Underground. Digital Underground. But you don't got your head out. No, it wasn't me. It was Queen Latifah. Rob Markman, of course, you was just - Rob Markman, yeah. I was back a man. Yeah, and carrying bags. Damn. Look at that, that's crazy, and that's how you and Pac got cool. Talk about that tour. How was them tours back then in the 80s? Crazy. Nigga. Under, nigga. Rob Markman, tell me some stories, man.

21:05Tony Yayo:Stories. I gotta get, cause Heavy D, rest in peace, legend. King Latifah, legend. Public Enemy, legend. Like, I wanna know how a tour, if I could rewind time, I would love to be on a tour like that. The tour was so ignorant, it was like, once me and Pac get off stage, most of the stars, you know, Chuck D, he'll have a room full of bras, preaching to him with something. He be in the lobby. He ain't trying to get no bitches. We trying to get some bitches. Niggas, we - Preaching for real, like preaching to girls? Yeah, like have them all sit around and they be - He dropping knowledge. He dropping Jews and knowledge.

21:41You got you. Sister, sister, like we be looking like, man, let's go to the other side of the lobby. Facts. Cool, you a pop. You a fucking pop. Oh, wow.

21:51Tony Yayo:Every town. That's crazy. Pop was on it. So Digital Underground. Yes. He was doing the Humpty Dance and he was doing same song. Yeah, I remember the Humpty. Remember them glasses was selling like a motherfucker. Yeah, the nose and the glasses. Rest in peace, Shock G. Yo, rest in peace, Shock G. You know, Humpty Dance is your tits. Do the hump. Yeah, oh, oh, oh, do me, baby. That beat was so crazy. Watch me, do me, baby. It was in the bass in it. Yeah, that beat Pac up. That's how I knew about Pac. Hey, fat girl. Come here. Are you ticklish? Yeah, I called you fat. Look at me. I'm skinny. Classic hip-hop stories, bro.

22:32So, met him there. That was the most - What year was that? 1990? 1990. You on Pac? Rob Markman - 89 to 90.

22:41Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - Public Enemy. Rob Markman - So that was like for me and Pac the most safest, boom. Like nobody knew us. Rob Markman - Right. Rob Markman - You know what I mean? They saw us on stage, then they loved us, but we go to the hoods, it was the safest because it got wicked in the 90s. Rob Markman - Right. Rob Markman - Facts. Rob Markman - Facts, definitely. Rob Markman - Once motherfuckers get to know you, then they knew his story. Rob Markman, baby Black Panther. Rob Markman, right. Rob Markman, from the door. Rob Markman, they got turned up after that. They found out the affiliation, right?

23:16Tony Yayo:Rob Markman, do you feel like music, like in the 80s, like when you've seen records like Self Destruction, you know, rappers could never do that now. Do you feel like it was more of a positive message back then than it is now? Rob Markman, oh definitely. Every song basically was a concept song. Rob Markman, right. Rob Markman, everybody was talking about everything. It wasn't one way or anything. Even N.W.A. came out, express yourself. Rob Markman - Fags. Rob Markman - Dude, Ice Cube today was a good day. Everybody wasn't banging every record. So everybody has everything going to be all right.

23:50Ghetto bastard. You feel me? It was like things that get your mind. KRS-One. Come on now. We was just talking public enemy.

23:59Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - Right. Yo, the messages that was in there was definitely there. Rob Markman - Grand Nubian too. Rob Markman - Grand Nubian, ooh. Rob Markman - Because they was talking about the crack era and people getting high. Rob Markman - Punk jump up and get beat down. Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - Nothing but a beat. Rob Markman - Nothing but a beat. Rob Markman - They had them beats. Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - I wonder how she got them because I hit them behind my speaker. Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - And Grand Poop was like the... When you think about marketing back then, And then, Grand Poobah was like the polo, the king of that shit.

24:31Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - He was a lingo lord. Rob Markman - Definitely had that lingo. Rob Markman - That lingo. Rob Markman - But dress wise, he was wearing - Rob Markman - Oh, the swag, yeah. Rob Markman - He got his shit from the boosters. Rob Markman - He was like, come get me my polo, my Tommy Hill figure. He always, he was sharp. Poobah Sharp had the toe. Then he had the motherfucking fade with the part all in him. He was like, where these niggas from? These niggas is fresh. Rob Markman - Definitely, man. it. And they kicking knowledge. Rob Markman - That's yo, good time. I wish I could be back in that time with hip hop some time.

25:02Tony Yayo:That shit. Think about it. It was a lot of legends back then. Rob Markman - It was amazing. Rob Markman - It was a number of legends. Rob Markman - It was amazing. Rob Markman - All from different parts of New York, Jersey. Y 'all was Jersey though. That's what made difference. Like Queen Latifah, come on. I remember you in ITY when she dropped that shit. I could just imagine you on that tour. It was all kind of women and different. You got Public Enemy and you got Digital Underground. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. And another one we got to say rest in peace too is out there with us.

25:30Apache. Oh yeah, rest in peace Apache. I need a gangster bitch. A gangster bitch. I need a gangster bitch. A gangster bitch. I want a gangster boogie. That's my guy Greenland. We did that record over too, man. That's a fact. That's a fact. So imagine all of us out there on the road. It was just -

25:53Tony Yayo:Crazy. No social media. Everybody's dancing. You hardly see rappers like that, maybe on video music box or something like that. It wasn't even like cell phones. It was beepers. Of course. You had to find a phone booth. Yeah, definitely. You little niggas know what a phone booth is? Oh, man. You little niggas know what it's like to motherfucking have some quarters in your pocket, homie. At all times, you be jingling, baby. Hit that payphone. Hit that payphone. That shit was more than just talking. L wasn't talking just about them girls. You talking about niggas running to the phone with them coins in they pockets jingling, baby.

26:27Tony Yayo:You know, yeah, this is the Talk of New York. And this is the boy Uncle Murder, aka Lear Jet Lenny. Today we're here to talk about Bask and Lather. Oh. You know what I'm saying? One of the best products out there. Black owned. Definitely, man. East New York, I'm telling you, I'm trying to grow this beard now, right? Mm-hmm. So my thing now is to get the Bask and Lather beard growth magic. Definitely better for the skin, man. So I think the people need to get with the movement, get the new wave out there. Rob Markman And this is what people got to understand. When you travel, right? And we go to all these places.

26:57Tony Yayo:We're in the Beez of Monaco. And you jump in the shower, the water is totally different. The water is different on the skin. It's harder on the skin. So when I jump out the shower and we're in the Beez of somewhere, you know how that water be different in certain places. You use that basking lava on your skin and it's the best thing for you. Rob Markman Yeah, it feels good, man. I feel like you're right back at home, man. Rob Markman Explore viral bestsellers and products for healthier hair of all time. types at BaskinLatherCo.com. That's BaskinLatherCo.com. Whoa, yeah! You know I gotta name one legendary group, you know what I'm saying?

27:31Tony Yayo:And I know you gonna be like, damn, Salt and Pepper. Wifey, Pepper, right? Back in the days. I remember when - Keep my ex-wife name out your fucking mouth! Will Smith voice, yay. Listen, man. Fuck outta here. Listen, yay, yo, yay. Go ahead, continue. Listen, hold up, man. You sure we good? We good, we good. We good, we good. My niggas, any time I sit down, I never say, you can't ask this. Got you. Motherfucker, we go. The nigga definitely be doing this. Fuck that. Now, let's think about it, right? When you think of back in the days, MC Light, and MC Light, definitely, everybody had a crush on her, but she had the tomboy shit going on.

28:15Tony Yayo:She had like the baggy jeans, but still was cute. Rob Markman - She was on the wall. Rob Markman - Like the girl from the hood. Rob Markman - She was definitely still on the wall. Rob Markman - She was on the wall. Rob Markman - Y 'all gotta let me finish. Rob Markman - Of course, MC Light, everybody had a crush on MC Light, right? Rob Markman - And then when you looked at Salt and Pepper, that was like way before, that was like kind of like sex sales. They had the spandex shit on. Rob Markman - Push it. Rob Markman - Push it. Rob Markman - Come on, bro. Rob Markman - Everybody thought they were saying, ah, pussy.

28:42Rob Markman - Pussy real good. Rob Markman - Nah, y 'all Jersey niggas thought that was I love that nigga. We thought it was pushing. We'll admit. We said it was pushing. This nigga said everybody thought it was pushing. It was. When I met her, I was thinking, aw, pussy. Nah, nigga it was pushing. Pussy real good. Aw, pussy. I got to get this nigga to bring her back to Jersey. That's my man. That's what I'm saying, Tretch. That's my man.

29:05Tony Yayo:You had like one of the baddest chicks in the game. When you think about it, that was like a time in hip hop where Salt and Pepper and Spinderella, when they came with them Spindex suits on, the boots - Rob Markman - Tall boots. Rob Markman - And they had the ill jackets on. Rob Markman - The door knockers. Rob Markman - The bodies was T back then. Rob Markman - You know. Rob Markman - The dookie rose. Rob Markman - The big dookie. It was like, yo, who is these girls? And they all fine. I still remember the first Spinderella. I don't remember the second one. I always tell her. Rob Markman - No disrespect to her.

29:33Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - She from Brooklyn. Rob Markman - That's right. Fags.

29:35Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - I didn't know. So where's the first Spinderella from? Rob Markman - I don't know. Because the first Spinderella was in Push It. Yeah. That's the one I loved. I loved the first Spinderella. I'm not just making the second one. No, hold on. Push It. I love both of them, man. No, I think by that time, Dee Dee was Spinderella. We gotta, I gotta let's see that. She lived in my projects too, Pink Houses. Yeah. So who was the baddest Spinderella? I got confused. I mean, that's something for you to - No, I think it was the first. That's on you. That's you the judge. That's your judge. Was she, was the second one in Push It?

30:08Tony Yayo:Yeah, that's Didi. Oh, so now you're gonna flip on the first one? Yeah. Because a few episodes ago, you were out there for the first one. Nah, cause I think it's so disrespectful. I get confused. I gotta look at that shit. I get confused. I could've swore that was the first Spinderella. Wow. Because you gotta think about it. That was the video when like, it kinda was like Sex sells at that point. They had the suits on. It was like, uh, Push It. They was all looking good. That was Didi. Definitely. All right. That was Spin, the second Spin. So now the second one is the best one yet? Mike, guess what is a small world?

30:38I'm not going to get into it. Because guess who? I might have fucked up.

30:43Tony Yayo:I get mixed up with the Spinderellas. It's all Google. It's Google. Now I'm mixed up. Go back to the footage too. No, because now I'm mixed up with the Spinderellas. I know you is because now we got the capo here. So when you met Peppa, you met Peppa in the 80s? Nah, in the 90s. After we came out, I met Peppa at the Spring Break, MTV Spring Break in Florida. Rob Markman, Miami. Rob Markman, Shout out to Salt-N-Pepa, Legends. Spinderella too. I love both of y 'all. Rob Markman, Both of the Spinderellas, man. Rob Markman, I love both of y 'all. Sorry. But yo, so damn, you wifed it up and everything?

31:14Tony Yayo:What year was that? Rob Markman, That was, actually we was together like 10 years. I wifed it up probably like in 99, 1949. Rob Markman, Said 1999. Rob Markman, Yeah. Rob Markman, Okay, copy, copy. Rob Markman, Yup, Yup. Did that. Rob Markman, And you had a baby, right? You got a daughter now? Rob Markman, Yeah. Rob Markman, How old is your daughter now? She's now 26. Rob Markman x-ray Shout to her, man. Shout to your daughter. Your daughter's actually fightin', nigga. I seen that actually fight. They robbed her. See? You call that fightin'? What you call that? Nigga, she was swan diving. Swan diving?

31:48She fell right into the mat face first. What the fuck you call that? Fightin'?

31:51Tony Yayo:Nah man, nah. See, see, see. Nigga, that's not fightin'? Oh yeah, I remember that fight. Yeah. Nah, I say, man, see... It wasn't a fight? It wasn't a fight, man. You don't think it was a fight? I mean, she lost, but it don't matter. See, some motherfuckers don't even got the heart to get in the brain. No, heart is a different subject than fighting. Okay. I done seen a lot of niggas with heart fight. Oh man, damn. And start breakdancing. Okay. You feel me? Okay, I got that. Spending the fuck all around, dizzy and shit. They just start breakdancing. He said, I don't think that was fighting. That wasn't fighting.

32:19Tony Yayo:I let her know that. Did she fight somebody like twice a weight class or something? No, it was Olympic champ. Oh, come on, man. That don't even count. I go in there with Olympic champ, you gonna fight you? So that's when I went out and I said what I had to say about a team and a squad and all the rest of that, setting up for destruction. Rob Markman - Yeah, I seen something like that, man. I seen something like that. Rob Markman - And then my nigga 50, 50 that came on, I was like, oh shit, time for pep. My nigga trust to get the guns. They start commenting like, I hate how 50 disrespect. I'm like, nigga, first off, fifth my nigga.

32:51And he already know the first thing a nigga think when something go on with their kids is get the guns. Facts. Nigga ain't ready to play. That's a fact. That's a fact. So I had to tell the whole holly, man, shut all that. Who the fuck said something? I had a couple of niggas. It wasn't a lot. Got you. Nigga, shut that shit the fuck up.

33:08Tony Yayo:Trutch, what part of Jersey you from for the people that don't know? Illtown, East Starnes. How was it growing up there in the 90s? Because Jersey, come on, shout out to the whole Jersey. Yeah, man, everybody thought Jersey had pools and backyards. Like until Ghetto Bastard came out and they seen it was projects. And then live motherfuckers cut the jersey who was getting jacked like that. Go to clubs and say, there's a bar, hit the Brick City, North. Nigga via East Orange, Illtown. Get down. Yeah. But we was super fucking fans of the culture. Nigga, I grew up listening. We used to go uptown to pick up and get mixtapes.

33:49So I heard Cool Mo D and the Treacherous Three and Busy B. Oh, Busy B. Rob Markman - Wild Wild West. Rob Markman - Oh, that real. Okay, copy. Rob Markman - The mixtapes.

33:57Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - No, this was before the records. This was on mixtapes. Battles. Rob Markman - Oh, Cool Mo D? Rob Markman - Man, what? Rob Markman - Cool Mo D was one of my favorite stupid shows. Rob Markman - Man, Cool Mo D. Rob Markman - He's still alive, right? Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - And still doing shows. Rob Markman - Look at that, definitely. Rob Markman - I can see it as we talk about that. Rob Markman - Definitely. Talk about still doing shows like artists. Like I told you, we was talking backstage, J.Ru, The Damage of You, KRS-One. And a lot of artists, younger generation, they come out, but some of it is microwave music.

34:24Tony Yayo:They might have that one record and that's really it. But it's like, for you guys, how does it feel to be still doing it 35 years, still making money, still getting merch? You know what I'm saying? It's a beautiful thing. Because niggas think the older niggas ain't getting money when they are. The KRS1's, you, you know what I'm saying? The Melly Mells. The Melly Mells. They still get money. Rob Markman, Scorps still out there. Rob Markman, like a lot of niggas perception is, yo, these old niggas is pop, but they still touring 35 years later. Talk about that, man. Rob Markman, Look, this fingernail here is the United States.

34:57All this floor and everything else is the world. So if somebody don't see you in the States or hear about you with a new record or you ain't on the radio stations, then you a has-been. It's looking like hip hop the only culture where you gotta retire at 30. Rob Markman - Right. Rob Markman - Motherfucker. Madonna just got a brand new album to fuck out. Cher. Nigga Dolly Parton. Rob Markman - Look at that. Rob Markman - Look at that.

35:22Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - Well, you know rock and roll never put an age or age change. Like you said, Dolly Parton dropping. Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - You know what I'm saying? I think she's doing something on Broadway too. Rob Markman - 80 years old. Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - So why hip hopers gotta retire at 30? Rob Markman - Yeah, hip hop. Rob Markman - You old at 30. Rob Markman - All right. Well, that's why I love Rock the Bells Radio. You know what I mean? The Block. Yeah, 94.7. Yeah, The Block. 94.7. They be reppin'. Shout to 94.7. That's a fact. 94.7, we see y 'all. Satellite Radio.

35:52Of course. Playing that worldwide. So we tour worldwide. The kids that's in there grew up off of the culture of it. They still breakdancing overseas. They still got graffiti overseas. They still got the MCs, the DJs.

36:07Tony Yayo:They respect the whole culture. You be seeing them kids in Japan and all that? Yeah. Be like this big breakin', going crazy. Yeah. Are you feeling any of the young boys now in the music game right now? Who you feeling like? Who you like right now? Albie Al. Shout out to Albie Al. We have him on the show. That's our guy. Shout out to Albie Al. Who else you like in the jersey? Fetty Wap. Fetty. Welcome home. Welcome home, Fetty. Yes, sir. And it's just a gang. We got Trill, Trilly Trill. We got Prince Ock, man. We got True, O 'Fitty Boys, Reek the Kid. Man, we got some real money. I got Money X, too.

36:40Shout out to Money X. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He locked back down. He locked back up, I know, man. Chain remains. Money X, man. Chain remains. Damn, man. You want some real Jersey shit, man. Who else, man? That ain't from Jersey. Tretch, God damn, nigga. I like Cardi. Okay. I like Nicki. Okay. I like Lotto. All right, got you. So, Weedy. I like spitters. I like got you. You know what I mean? Young and Mae. Got you.

37:09Tony Yayo:I know you like Dolce. Like Dolce. Dolce and Spitter. Is she? That anxiety. Do you feel like balls is coming back? Because it feel like that. Yeah. Like when you hit Kendrick and Drake and Dolce and Lotto and Nicki. And all of them. Like you said new. They not new, but. That's who you're feeling. Facts. Got you. Got you. Got you. Rob Markman, Yeah. Rob Markman, So talk about, because I know you was in plenty of other movies. Let's talk about some of the other movies you was in, because it seems like a lot of rappers, it's like when they start outside business, they go straight to the movies. Did you go to acting school and what other movies you was in?

37:47Tony Yayo:Because I know there's so many I see you in. Rob Markman, Yeah, I went to acting school right in the hood, on the block. Every time a cop said, where the stash? I said, I don't know. Rob Markman, You ain't going to tell the motherfuckers there, you got something? Nope. I learned to act a long time ago from my mama. Who the fuck took... Wasn't me. So then I trained it to do it that motherfucking way. And Charles Dutton, The Rock, OG, he had me in first time felon with Omar Epps. And he asked me, he was like, did you ever go to acting school or anything? I'm like, no, no, OG. He was like, don't.

38:25Rob Markman 1, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, But look at that, that's dope. You feel me? So that was one, it's been, I've been in Empire, before Empire, John Leguizamo, Fat Joe, all of that. Sopranos, New York Undercover, Law & Order. Oh shit.

38:47Tony Yayo:I told y 'all he was in mad movies, TV shows, anything. All that. Jason's Lyric, you feel me? I remember Jason's Lyric, that's right. Yeah, hell yeah. Hell yeah. Rob Markman, are you going to keep continuing acting? Rob Markman, Oh definitely, definitely. We just actually, that was Jason's Lyric and I just got finished doing a play, Jason's Lyric with Alan Payne, traveling play in theaters. Before that I did New Jack City with Alan Payne, I was Nino Brown. So we going to keep the acting thing going. Rob Markman, Definitely. Rob Markman, Grab them bags. Rob Markman, Facts. Rob Markman, Cause I mean you was a superstar.

39:24Tony Yayo:Rob Markman, Still is nigga, don't know what was, my nigga still a superstar. Rob Markman, We all superstars. You know what I mean. Facts, you know what I'm saying. You ever beat a rap up man? Like behind the scenes man? Oh my God. I'm a fucker. Statue of limitation. I can't speak all that shit yet, my nigga. I can't, nah, I ain't like these wires. I ain't gonna snitch myself. I like that. I like that. No dry snitching, he said. You ain't dry snitching on the show. It's moist snitching when you snitching on yourself. You ain't lying. You can't even blame a nigga for snitching when you telling all your bitches out there.

39:55Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - Tell us the wild groupie stories with Pac, man. That's what I want to know. Rob Markman - Oh man. Rob Markman - I can tell one I told before. Rob Markman - Just tell me one. Rob Markman - So let me tell you two. I told you Pac was type of nigga. He was like, you ain't get that role, but come stay with me in the hotel. It's us, Mo Prem, Ed Lover, Stretch from Live Squad - Rob Markman - What, Ed Lover Radio? Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - Oh, Pac, we was all chilling with Pac. He had one big ass suite and anything else, so we all was chilling at different times. So he got me in the movie and it was like while we standing one night, he had came up in.

40:34I ain't come up in that motherfucker, this nigga was in the pro, banging some shit the fuck out. So back then it was like the little camcorder shit.

40:45And the door was cracked. I was up in that motherfucker like this. I got too close at one time, went, hit the door. What the fuck? Nah, nigga, I'm just, nigga, nigga, what the fuck you doing over here? He said, you got it? I'm like, what the fuck, man? Get the fuck up out of here. You got it, you got it. That's all right. He said, you got that footage of the guy back. Get out of here, nigga. Yeah, yeah, get out of here, yo. Yeah, yeah. Nah, he ain't do nothing. He ain't do it. He just came in. He ain't know where he's in.

41:13Tony Yayo:So how do you prep before you get on set? I know you ain't coming in there. Like how it is when you coming on set, like tell people that want to be actors, because you did so many films and so many TV shows, like being on time or - Rob Markman, Jr.: Uh huh. Oh, you definitely got to be on time. Definitely got to be on time because they could get somebody else real quick and the name would go out. Your whole shit would be blackballed through the whole industry. You got to know your motherfucking lines. It's a production. If they got to take 7 ,000 takes because you don't know your fucking lines and anything else, that word get around.

41:46You know what I mean? Professional. If you You gonna get high or drink or do all that, do that shit. When that shit is cut, end of the night, go back to your room, get your fade on, come near ready, prepared, and be a sponge out there. You know what I mean? Network. Why you there? With other motherfuckers. You don't ever know who you... I done... There's so many different shits with motherfuckers that blew up and called me after the fact. You feel me? Just because you got to do your negotiations. Rob Markman, Negotiations. I like that. Negotiations. Yeah.

42:19Tony Yayo:Rob Markman, When I look at top five in Jersey, I got to throw Queen Latif on there. Ben. Rob Markman, Noti by Nature on there. Ben. Ben. Red Man on there. And then I always just... The last two. Why do I always... Man, there's so many. And you got... Who else is from Jersey? Rob Markman, Rye Digger. Spitter. Rob Markman, Spitter. Rob Markman, Spitter. Lock him, Shabazz. Lock him, Shabazz. I remember Apache. Yeah. Poor Righteous Teachers. Poor Righteous Teachers would be on my list for sure. That would be like my number four. I ain't gonna lie. You feel me? And then, I mean, there's so many underground and producers and all types of you saying the culture and all that, but - Rob Markman, Was Dallas a Fexy Rejoice?

43:12Rob Markman, Nah. Rob Markman, Yeah, I mean, somebody was from, one was from Brooklyn and one was from T-neck, definitely. Rob Markman, Oh shit. Rob Markman, So you got another spitter over there.

43:21Tony Yayo:Rob Markman, I would put, well he was not going to let me get the Brooklyn halves, so I would put one set of Daz-fucks on my top five. Rob Markman, I ain't saying, I ain't trying to start. Rob Markman, Because shit, no, no, no, it's not that. It's just, you said one was from Brooklyn, one was from Jersey. I could have sworn one was from Jersey though. Rob Markman, Yeah, T-neck. Rob Markman, Yeah, because I always be, but I just know, Oh, like you, Queen Latifah and Redmond, it was just like, what y 'all did for the game was just totally different. Rob Markman 2-Blooday, who made Tretch want to rap?

43:49Who made you want to get into the music business? Rob Markman 2-Blooday, The first record my moms played that wasn't just throwbacks from the 70s and Motowns and all that was Sugarhill Gang, Rapper's Delight. That was the first hip hop I ever heard. And they're from Jerse. Rob Markman 2-Blooday, I gotta throw them on there then.

44:11Tony Yayo:This guy's just being mixed in his top five. No, because when I throw the jersey - Knowledge is king. No, no. No, I didn't even know. I didn't even know. Sylvia Robinson and all them records out of Jersey. I didn't even remember. Listen, Poor Righteous Teachers, I didn't know was from Jersey. Yeah, Tess Norm is from Jersey. He can tell you. Listen, but what I'm saying is I didn't even know Poor Righteous Teachers is from Jersey. Yeah, T-neck. I mean, Trenton. As us watching - South Jersey. Video Music Box, right? Mm-hmm. You kind of said Jersey in your rhymes. Queen Latifah, I don't know, we just, she was a star.

44:42Tony Yayo:We just knew she was in, you know what I'm saying? Rob Markman - And she was connected with the Zulu Nation. Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - Back then. Rob Markman - And then Redman, he was the nigga that just came with just a whole smoke culture. I remember going to high school, how the Roller Blunt came out. And that shit was the biggest shit in the world. Nigga started rolling the Philly Blunts. He had New York. Rob Markman - You ain't lying. Rob Markman - This is what I'm saying. Rob Markman - So for y 'all, y 'all was like, Y 'all was the ones that came from Jersey and had this big ass impact.

45:14Tony Yayo:Like OPP was like, you know any set you went in the club, that's coming on. Do-do-doom. Niggas is cutting that shit. Boom, boom. Niggas, that shit's going to get cut up like 20 times, nigga. Rob Markman Yeah. You was Queen something. Grandmaster Vicky, do-do. You down with OPP. Oh shit, we got church in the building. They going to cut that shit. Rob Markman Oh. Rob Markman Oh. You know these niggas is coming with the club music. Niggas ain't, you know what I'm saying? And then Redman, you know he was coming with that, like niggas going to high school, how to roll a blunt. He had Philly blunts.

45:47Tony Yayo:He was marketing Philly blunts back then. Was he? Reggie, you fucker. He definitely got busy with that. They owe him a check. They owe him a check. They owe you a check. Look, and then with Queen Latifah, her impact was like, who you calling a bitch? Like, come on, bro. Like nobody was rapping like that back in the day. You and I G wine. And La look like she sock you out. For real. Set it off. Don't fuck with set it off. But still, them records was like - Don't fuck with Cleo. Don't fuck with Cleo, nigga. Don't fuck with Cleo. Don't fuck with Cleo, nigga. When you hear that, who you calling a bitch?

46:21She a motherfucking goddamn knock you out and take your bitch and tug it down, nigga. Don't fuck with Cleo, take your bitch and shoot you, nigga. Don't fuck with Cleo. That shit was different.

46:29Tony Yayo:Like I always say, and look - Shout out to the queen. Shout out to the queen. You shoot the queen like tea for Flavor Unit. And look, I always say, bro, like, I don't want to sound cliche, but self-destruction definitely was like a big record. Because you never seen that ever happen in hip hop. And guess when it happened again? When? On the West Side or on the same gang. That shit was on. I got to remember that one. Foodies, unite. This is Angie Martinez from IRL Podcast. Here to tell you about something new and delicious from McDonald's. So they just released an all-new Caesar sauce that is a creamy blend of rich Parmesan, zesty lemon, and bold garlic flavors.

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49:24contacted her and actually ended up starting like three weeks later. My name is Cherish Adams, and I'm a Rasmussen University graduate. Learn more at rasmussen.edu. What? This nigga so East Coast-like. God, let me school my niggas with the family.

49:40Tony Yayo:I'm so East Coast, my baby. Make sure they bring that up in the clip, man. We're on the same gang, man. We're on the same gang, yo. I'm not disrespecting the West Coast. I'm not telling you, you're not. You just don't know it. You just don't know it. You ain't saying that. You just don't know it. Just don't know. Because nigga, when that self-destruct shit, you're headed for a self-dest... That shit was just... When that shit came on, that shit was like everything for a New York nigga. Like, shit. Like, damn, let's check myself. Oh, shit. Every rapper that's popping is together. And talking some positive shit.

50:06Tony Yayo:Never seen no shit like that. That was our... That's why I like that. Yeah, it was a We Are The World of rappers. Yeah. Facts. Who was on there? Queen La Cifa? The niggas were still shooting and selling drugs the next week, man. No, that's cool. We ain't advocating that. We just saying... I'm just telling you. You know that, though. Rob Markman, why didn't trust the reality of it? That's what they was doing the next week. Rob Markman, I mean, I don't care about that. Rob Markman, all I'm saying to you, it was, look, not them against each other though. Rob Markman, rappers back then to have beef like that, did they?

50:30Tony Yayo:Rob Markman, man, I'm talking about the streets. I ain't talking about the rappers. Rob Markman, No, no, but it was perfect for the time because it was like in hip hop as well. Rob Markman, No, it was bad out there. Rob Markman, They needed that shit. Rob Markman, It was Afrocentric. So we had more of a positive, we had the public enemies. So we was like aware, Karras was. Rob Markman, Who else was on there? Miss Melody was on there, Queen Latifah. Tell more. Rob Markman, Stetsasonic. Rob Markman, Stetsasonic was on there. Heavy D was on there. Yeah, Hev. Rob Markman, was K-R-R-S on there? Was MC Light.

51:03Tony Yayo:Rob Markman, I think Kumo D, MC Light. Everybody was on. That's all I'm saying. The thing is like you fast forward to hip hop now. That'll never happen again. That's what make that record special. And what I'm saying is back then, a lot of music had messages. It was positive. Everything now is pretty much you kill. It's cool. You can tell your story. I'm not going to judge you. We all been in the street. But back then, it was just positive. Rob Markman All right, guess what happened? Now in the game back in the days, everybody, every group had to look different and sound different. For one, had to have conceptual songs, all of that as far as the A &R was listening to even sign you.

51:47You feel what I'm saying? Rob Markman, radio stations got to a point when gangster music came and boom, and the hood, Riddius and all that type of, and whatever, and the most sexist or whatever was playing. I seen different artists that was totally not on none of that gangster shit or nothing switching pivot to that because the labels that were signing at the time - Rob Markman, But look, a lot of artists didn't.

52:16Tony Yayo:So what I'm saying is like, all right, when AIDS epidemic was coming at a point in time, Jungle Brothers had my buddy, which if you know your hip hop, they was talking about condoms, right? They was promoting condoms, positive shit when the AIDS epidemic was happening in the hood, right? When you heard Tribe Called Quest, right? When they had records, right? It was, I left my wallet and El Segundo and Bonita Applebone. When Bonita Applebone came on in the club, nigga, that beat, everything, it wasn't no really killer shit. It was just hip hop. It was just different. Rob Markman - No, the low end theory.

52:53Tony Yayo:De La Soul. Look, De La Soul. Rob Markman - Native songs. Rob Markman - Pie Holes in my lawn. Back then, the beats was just so hard and niggas was just on some other shit. Like, Pie Holes in my lawn. Rob Markman - It was abstract. Rob Markman - It just feel like it was more of art and more of a positive message back then. So I just wanted to know what was the difference to now, to you? Rob Markman That was it. It was like everybody, labels were in the picture. Right now everything is independent. Nobody have to go through. No labels and then they drop whatever they want. Rob Markman Right. Rob Markman Throughout the years, the grimiest, the butt naked records, the everything else, everything came to that.

53:34It's like, I see, we saw it's now for females, it's straight hoe rap. Rob Markman Right. But, hmm, everybody on the pole, everybody twerking, everybody butt ass naked, everybody getting the motherfucking BBL, everybody's out there in a thong. You know what I mean? And it's like, that's what the culture has evolved to.

53:55Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - Yeah, yeah. Cause back then you had Miss Melody, Queen Latifah. Yeah. It was more of a message shit. Even Lauryn Hill. It was just like messages in the music. Rob Markman - The speech took over. Came the Nasas, the Biggies, the Jay Zs, the Mobb Deeps, all that shit. Really. Rob Markman - I think it happened - that shit though. Trench, you know what? That came out. The 80s, everybody was fresh, right? Towards the 90s. The 90s, we came out with braids, dicky suits, boots. Then it got grimy towards that 95, 96. It got grimy. Niggas wanted to hear that shit. You know what I think? Yo, you know what I think it started for you?

54:27Tony Yayo:Not at all. Can't knock it. You know, Trench, you know what I think when I say it got grimy for me is when Onyx came out. Throw your guns in the air. That shit was crazy back then. Niggas was buying guns just because of that video. Like, oh shit, I gotta get a pistol back then. I remember that shit. Niggas have a baby too foul. Rob Markman - These niggas too deep. We gotta catch up. Throw your guns in the air. Rob Markman - Oh yeah, shout out to Onyx. We out on the road overseas with them right now. Rob Markman - Shout out to Onyx, man. Rob Markman - You know, Stinky and Fredro. Boop, boop. Rob Markman - I fuck with Onyx.

54:57Rob Markman - Stinky fingers. I'll rob you for your eyeball. Rob Markman - Yeah, Stinky. Stinky was always, come on. Rob Markman - That's my nigga.

55:03Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - You know when that nigga verse was coming, they got to change up and all that. Yeah. But wait, it gets worse. You be like, these niggas about to hurt something. Nigga, nigga, let's get out poppin'. That Westland beat was the hardest beat from them. What was that? Ding, ding, ding. What record? I forgot what it was. Slam? Nah, not slam. When they came with that shit. Dirty Harris and Gary Harris. You know what I'm talking about? You know what I'm talking about? The beat that go boom, boom, boom, boom. I forgot what song it is. I think it was Last Days. Last Days. I'm talking my last days.

55:36Tony Yayo:Oh my God. You know you talking my last days. They still had it right there. Them niggas tearing these stages up. No, I know. That's classic. It's not microwave music. It's going last forever. Not at all. Forever. Queens, baby. I knew you. I knew it was coming, right? I'll give you that. It's all good. I'll give you that. You can't sleep. I'll give you that. They one of them. Yeah. For life. So what's next, man? When the tour start? It's already started. We go back out. I meet them back in Switzerland. They doing a lot of other dates in Germany right now. Are y 'all doing the Swiss Alps? Because I did it like eight.

56:07Y 'all doing the Swiss Alps? Mm-hmm. Zurich. Zurich. Yeah, we did Zurich before. Zurich. Yeah.

56:13Tony Yayo:I'm the only rapper to do the Swiss Alps. That's why these niggas be mad at me. You the only one? I'm the first rapper to do the Swiss Alps. Who told you that? Fake news. Who told you that? Oh shit. You can say fake news. Me and Pete Rock did that shit like nine years ago. Well, I'm after y 'all. I'm after y 'all. Cause he always talking about he the only one in the first one. Yo, I'm the, I'm after you. I'm after you. I'm after you. I'm after you. I'm after you. I'm third then. I'm third. I take third. They told you that was Bigfoot's Prince. Nigga, that was my nigga. My motherfucking nigga feet, nigga.

56:46I already been in that snow.

56:48Tony Yayo:My nigga Chess did that with Pete Rock nine years ago, man. No, I believe you. Y 'all did it, but I'm the third rival. I'm the third rival. You could be the third. Or maybe the fourth. Cause you wouldn't somebody else. My nigga said you could be the third, but you went the first. You with P-Rock? Yeah. He was, yeah. In the out. You think P-Rock and C.L. Smoove, they don't get along, do you? Nah. I mean, I love them both and I just heard an interview from P-Rock. Nigga said, kind of like me and Vinny and them niggas, nigga. Shit ain't worth it, nigga. That shit is disposed. Why you? So hold on, so hold on.

57:27That truck been drove.

57:28Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - So do you think, this is what I'm going to ask you. So do you think it's a producer rapper situation? Because it's like Pete Rock made all the beats, no? Rob Markman - Nah, whatever they got, it was like, because CL was like, you know what? I even call out, he had an interview for Pete Rock to do, we get back there, blah, blah, blah. And they asked Pete Rock, what do you think? He was like, I think some other producer could do that. You know what I mean? So that's when I knew like - Rob Markman - That's crazy. Cause Reminisce over you, that was crazy. Rob Markman - All of us back then.

58:02Tony Yayo:Rob Markman - Yeah, hell yeah. But I remember when that shit came out. Rob Markman - That's how it be, man. Rob Markman - Yeah. I mean, sometimes you got Pivot. Rob Markman - Yeah. Rob Markman - The hellest Pivot on the planet. Rob Markman - Yeah, you ain't right. Rob Markman - See, that's another record right there. Rob Markman - Niggas Reminisce. Rob Markman - Reminisce. Rob Markman - Yeah, that was fun. Rob Markman - Yeah, hit him with the Pivot, man. It's all good. Rob Markman - Definitely. Yo, make sure y 'all like, share, and subscribe. We got Jersey legend in this motherfucker. He got five championship rings in the pop game.

58:30Tony Yayo:Rob Markman, hip hop legend. Rob Markman, massive records, movies, TV. He got a tour coming out. Yo, we gonna get the documentary or something soon? Rob Markman, man, we gonna get a whole lot of things. Rob Markman, we need to get that going. We need to get that documentary. Rob Markman, y 'all can't be doing them teddy bear tours. You hear me, nigga? It ain't no Naughty by Nature tour without Tresh, nigga. Rob Markman, come on, let's get it together, y 'all. Rob Markman, we rockin', we rockin'. And follow me on Tretch Tribe. You feel me? Tretch Tribe. You get all the information. The tours, the movies, the films, this, that, and the other.

58:57Dun, dun, dun. Breaking news. Real nigga alert. Facts. No tech. Yeah. Tours.

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