In short
Emmett J. Scanlon discusses fatherhood, his “devil/darkness” and imposter-syndrome thoughts, and how a strict morning routine (dance, affirmations/meditation, ice baths, sauna) helps him stay present and emotionally balanced. He also explains aphantasia (no mental imagery), how he still performs by focusing on feelings/energy, and his “Neverland Syndrome” (staying playful/childlike through acting). The conversation includes explicit, comedic stories about circumcision and “fire pussy” from rugby culture, plus a colonel’s anecdote about fitting 22 two-pence pieces under a foreskin.
Guests
Emmett J. Scanlon (Irish actor; known for hard-man roles; mentions Peaky Blinders, Kin, Mobland; plays Paul O’Donnell in Mobland; father of two). Hosts: Jake (and “Luke” as a running bit). A “colonel” appears only as a story character.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOAuction Highlights from the Invictus Games
0:45 to 1:46
Discussion about the charity auction and the extravagant bids for experiences.
“who run companies with their revenue in billions.”
Stories from the Dinner Table
1:46 to 4:25
Jake shares humorous stories about his dinner experience with Invictus athletes.
“And we met all of these Invictus athletes.”
The 'Fire Pussy' Game
4:25 to 5:46
A surprising story about a game played by rugby players involving fire.
“So this story's sort of a bit of a gear change for her.”
Colonel's Unbelievable Story
5:46 to 7:20
A colonel shares a shocking competition story related to foreskins and coins.
“I don't know if I could fit one one-pence piece down there.”
Introducing Emmett J. Scanlon
7:20 to 10:46
Introducing guest Emmett J. Scanlon and discussing his background and roles.
“And every time you say his name, you have to say all of it.”
Emmett's Podcast Journey
10:46 to 14:00
Emmett shares his excitement for being on the podcast and his preparation.
“So you could do like Michael Caine, like that.”
Emmett J. Scanlan's Name and Background
14:00 to 17:39
Emmett shares the significance of his name and his identity as an actor.
“I was basically named, my dad named me Emmet after an Irish rebel called Robert Emmet who was hung, drawn, and quartered by the English.”
Fatherhood Reflections
17:40 to 20:11
Emmett discusses his journey into fatherhood and the lessons he's learned.
“I've never heard anyone be able to speak with such fluidity.”
The Beauty of Vulnerability
20:12 to 21:18
Emmett articulates the profound experience of becoming a father, emphasizing vulnerability and memory-making.
“Something that people might not know about me.”
Morning Routine and Self-Care
21:19 to 22:42
Emmett shares his daily morning routine that emphasizes self-care and mental readiness.
“I've never heard somebody describe an uncircumcised penis as a decapitated Jedi.”
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Understanding Aphantasia
22:43 to 25:00
Emmett explains his experience with Aphantasia and its impact on his life and acting.
“Deep in the heart of lockdown, like balls deep into lockdown, I was like finding a real comfort in and alike towards tequila.”
The Power of Presence
25:01 to 27:01
Discussion on living in the moment and how it affects Emmett's life and work.
“So I was wondering to myself, well, then if I can't do that, if I can't see in pictures and everyone else sees very vividly in pictures, then how am I able to attract the thing that I'm doing if I can't see the pictures?”
Neverland Syndrome and Film Impact
27:02 to 28:00
Emmett reflects on his early experiences with film and how they shaped his view of storytelling.
“Do you consent to being analysed by someone who's not a real doctor?”
The Impact of Movies on Emmett's Life
28:00 to 30:28
Emmett discusses how movies shaped his childhood and aspirations.
“Weird thing is, I could watch zombies eat the brains of the living dead, but the minute half a breast was shown, I was always like, shut your eyes, Emmett.”
Discovering the Actor Within
30:28 to 32:54
Emmett recalls his early acting experiences and what inspired him to pursue acting.
“The way I see it is you've got two forces inside you.”
First Leading Role and Career Breakthrough
32:54 to 35:10
Emmett shares his first leading role in a film and its impact on his career.
“I mean, there's always moments where your trajectory kind of changes.”
Working with Acting Legends
35:10 to 37:44
Emmett talks about his excitement and challenges acting alongside famous actors.
“But it's me and Jake slash Luke and a lovely team of producers and all the team here and we're here to look after whoever comes in and have fun with.”
Mindset and the Actor's Journey
37:44 to 40:24
Emmett discusses the psychological challenges actors face and how to overcome them.
“and you've got a scene with Pierce Brosnan or Tom Hardy or any of them, are you there like, oh, I've been acting a while now.”
Embracing Fear and Growth
40:24 to 42:00
Emmett emphasizes the importance of facing fears to foster personal growth.
“So thoughts leads to the actions, leads to the work.”
Navigating Fear and Apologies
42:00 to 44:00
The hosts discuss personal fears and humorous interruptions during the conversation.
“But the alternative is you're a fucking prisoner to your own fear and then you're like, well, where's the fucking, like you said, where's the ground?”
Fatherhood and Personal Growth
45:20 to 47:20
Emmett discusses the impact of fatherhood on his life and career, emphasizing joy and playfulness.
“Let's talk about fatherhood, which you touched on in the...”
The Devil Within: Balancing Darkness and Light
47:20 to 51:00
Exploration of inner demons, mental health routines, and the balance of personality traits.
“I think I've become a better person because of being a dad, and I think I've become a better actor as a result of that.”
Vulnerability and Connection
51:00 to 54:00
Discussion on the strength found in vulnerability and building real connections through openness.
“And then I add the consistency of the gym where I'm chasing something, like a goal, and that makes me feel physically good, but mentally I'm on track with it.”
Operation: Exercising Demons
54:00 to 56:01
A playful exercise where Emmett confronts his inner demons through a game.
“and i'm probably lovely's not the right word that's a good word but i could instantly connect i'm like oh okay you might be this big actor that i see on a tv screen and a movie screen and You're Paul O'Donnell.”
Navigating Perfectionism and Self-Destruction
56:01 to 57:28
Explore the discussion on overcoming perfectionism and understanding self-destruction.
“Look, this doesn't go wide enough to go around the head of my self-destruction.”
The Value of Challenges in Success
57:29 to 58:06
Learn how challenges like imposter syndrome can drive personal success.
“It's been great fun at times and it's been pretty dark at others and I do really respect you and appreciate you sharing all of that.”
Fun and Games: Badges and Lollipops
58:07 to 58:50
Join a light-hearted segment about playful rewards and the joy of conversation.
“Before you go, not only will you get a lollipop, you will get a badge.”
Where to Watch 'Mobland'
58:51 to 59:14
Find out where to catch the latest season of 'Mobland' with Emmett Scallon.
“Before you go, Mobland, I know where to watch it.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Joe Marler:Mate, 22. That is just, that is completely impossible. 22 pieces. Yeah. Eyebrows. Eyebrows it right now. I'll eyebrows that. What an experience that was. So you weren't able to make it. I went to the Invictus Games dinner. Yeah. Why did your mouth do that after you said that? Because that's me showing off that I went to something like that. Oh, wow. Invited by Prince Harry himself. Well, I say himself. By his team. Himself. Took my mum with me. You took your mum instead of me? Well, you weren't available. Everyone was asking after you. I didn't get invited. You were invited big time. So there was an auction, because it was a charity fundraiser, and you've got people there who run companies with their revenue in billions.
0:48Joe Marler:Not millions, billions. Billions. Like, to buy a table on this thing, thousands and thousands of pounds. Yeah. and there was an auction, and they're auctioning off things like afternoon tea with Elton John. Please, please tell me your mum bid on it. Starting bid,£5 ,000,£10 ,000,£15 ,000,£20 ,000. What? £20 ,000 for afternoon tea? Oh, it went higher than that. I don't know what it ended up on. It went higher than that. But before we left my house, my mum was like, right, okay, I'm ready to go. Also, I got a bit of cash out of the cash machine, just in case you said there was an auction. She had£30 on her.
1:25Joe Marler:She had 30 grand. Who's going to start us at 30 then? Oh, me, 30 grand. Thank you. Jake's mum, 30 grand. What? We'll go in at 20. We'll go in. She heard 20. She's like, we'll go in at 20. Yeah, 20 grand. I mean, loads of this stuff. I mean, amazing though. They raised millions. I was just about to say, surely they raised loads. They raised loads of money. They raised loads of money. And we met all of these Invictus athletes. It was very cool. You know what I'm really wanting to know is did he remember you? didn't see me what? well actually no he did see me because I arrived at the same time as him and when we arrived there was loads of there was loads of photographers like all shuffling around my mum was like oh Jake I think they want to they want to get a picture of you and I was like no surely not Jake I told you you were doing so well turns out he'd arrived at the same time but then they said sorry Harry's arriving do you mind just standing to the side I was like yeah absolutely absolutely who were you sat with then on the table were you on the Duke's table?
2:20Joe Marler:I was sat with your old mate Chris Brooker James Haskell Right Rephrase that sentence I was sat with your mate James Haskell You were You were sat with an old Teammate of mine I was sat with your mate James Haskell You were sat with an old Teammate of mine Yeah I was sat We were sat together Okay how was that Experience for you It was very good Very enlightening Learned a lot about you Sure In your younger days The sorts of things You used to get up to Go on There's the phrase Fire pussy Ring a bell
2:51Joe Marler:I can't believe that's a sentence I've said out loud. Does the phrase fire pussy ring a bell? So, picture the scene. Who have we got in today then? Picture the scene. Picture the scene. We're sat on this very posh table with very posh food and very posh, like, all these wine glasses or whatever. To the right of me, Haskell. Then me. Then to the left of me, my mum. Then to the left of her, a colonel. What? Yeah. Very nice man as well. Very gentle, very warm. Talked to Zoros all about his life in the military. kept pouring glasses of wine for my mum. And I was like, okay, that's nice. The first one, fair enough.
3:21Joe Marler:The second one, he's trying to get my mum drunk. He was a very, very lovely man. And so we're talking, and then we started talking about fire pussy. And apparently you were involved in this. It's important you get to the detail of the story quicker. So. Quicker. James Haskell was telling me about fire pussy. And basically this game that you rugby lans used to play, when you were indoors, I can't stress this enough, this is indoors. And you'd start a fire. I don't know, were you in a hotel or training room or something like that? It was a team room, yeah. Start a fire, say in that waste paper bin, and you keep throwing things.
3:54Joe Marler:Bit of paper, bit of wood, bit of this curtain, whatever. The fire gets bigger and bigger and bigger. Whoever gets so scared that they put the fire out because it's getting unmanageable, is then labelled the fire pussy because they were too much of a pussy to let the fire keep going. What sort of thing were you getting up to? Well, you've just described what sort of thing was getting up to. Yeah, it was a... I was in my younger years, mate. I was 27. So we're finding out about Fire Pussy, and my mum's, like, can't believe it. She was a bit disheartened about not being able to bid 20 quid for afternoon tea with Elton John.
4:29Joe Marler:So this story's sort of a bit of a gear change for her. At which point, the colonel, who'd been sat sort of quite amicably and quite nicely next to us, he chips in and said, oh, that actually reminds me, James, of a story from when I was at, back with the lads. And I think, oh, God, here we go. He said, I shouldn't say it in front of your mother, though. and you can say it from my mum. Oh no. It's fine. She said, oh, go on then. So it reminds me of a time with the lads and we had a competition to see exactly how many two pence pieces we could fit under our foreskins. At which point my mum goes, what?
5:00Joe Marler:I'm thinking what? And he goes, I got to 22. 22! There's no way he could fit 22 two-pee pieces in his foreskin. I could not believe it. I thought to myself, I'm amazed by, I'm just so excited to be involved in this new world of, of, go on, of army and aristocracy and, and, and, you know, in this massive great hall where there's the banquet being served because everyone's is so mild mannered and polite and lovely whilst also being able to explain to you that they once tried to put 22, well, they not tried, they successfully did, but then tried to put 23 two pence pieces down their foreskin. I found myself having a wee and tugging on my foreskin, trying to think, I don't know if I could fit one one-pence piece down there.
5:52Joe Marler:Did you go back to your mum and say, you got any change from that? Oi mum, split the 20, would you? What I'm wondering is, say your head is the shaft here. Am I now putting... So am I now putting... Am I putting my 2p in here like a slot and then stretching the foreskin this way? Or am I putting the 2p on top of your head like a biscuit? Oh, I didn't even see like that. Oh, I see. And then it comes up as if to lengthen the actual appearance of my penis. Oh, that's how you do it. Oh, in that case, you can fit more. I mean, 22 upwards. Oh, I see. I thought, say this is the penis, I thought you were pulling that back to slide them in the side there.
6:45Joe Marler:What? I thought, of course. Oh, you're saying you plop it on top and you wrap it round. Oh, gosh, of course.
7:01Joe Marler:Who is it? Tell the people. Well, we have a manly man. A manly man? A manly, manly man. You've seen him on Peaky Blinders. You've seen him on Kin. Oh, hello there. You've also seen him on Mobland. It's Irish mega hunk, Emmett J. Scanlon. It's huge. And every time you say his name, you have to say all of it. Emmett J. Scanlon. So he's mega hunk. He's a mega hunk. He's a mega hunk. And he basically plays like hard men, like gangsters all the time. Although in Peaky Blinders, he was a retired football pro that they converted to be on the side and he would throw football matches now for him, for betting and stuff like that.
7:48Joe Marler:So he was gangster, but not prominent gangster. Gangster adjacent. That is exactly what I was looking for. You've got loads of kids, right? You could make a crime family. What, be like the new mob land? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In your crime family, who would have the different roles? Who would be the one who'd be the muscle? Who'd be the brains behind the operation? Who'd be the one that's laundering the money? Who'd be the one who's... Maggie would be the snitch. Right, so you already know who snitches on the family? No, no, no. She wouldn't snitch on the family. As in, she'd be the snitch. As in, she'll be the informant.
8:25She'll be able to infiltrate the oppositions.
8:32Joe Marler:Yeah. Get all the information, bring it back. Like she just picks up on everything. Daisy's obviously the muscle. Yep. Jasper is like the Tom Hardy figure. He's like the fixer. You send him out, he's like jolly, quite polite at times. Good morning. Switch though, can't he? I'm going to smash your face in. Yes. Unless we sort it out. Do you know what I mean? Pixie, I don't even want to explain to you what Pixie will be. She's a four year old, right? Yeah. Five. She's a five year old, right? Four. Yeah. They call her 4-5 No one knows if she's 4 or if she's 5 Either way Gets the job done Felix just really likes animals Oh right, okay Don't let me set the dogs on you Yes Yeah Very nice He's got the dogs And he owns a pig farm Yes Never trust a man Who owns a pig farm You look a little bit Peaky blinds actually With that haircut Precisely what I've done today Yeah I don't know how that's gone so unnoticed I can't believe It's taken you this long To pick up on the facts I'm so sorry.
9:32Joe Marler:That I've got this lid. Yeah. Apparently, this was the lid that the famous real-life gangster Al Capone had. Really? He had a beach blonde? No, without... I couldn't get the shoe polish to go in it. Do you know what I mean? We had it done in Turkey? Right. I actually had mine done in Leeds. Oh, fine. You had it done in Leeds? Al Capone had his beach blonde hair transplant done in Leeds. Right. Enough of your pratting the bell. Right. All right, we've got a guest that we need to bring in, and he spent way longer than most with Janet, so shall we just get him in? Let's do it. Let's get him in. Hey, Janet.
10:18Joe Marler:Yo, Janet. Send in Emmett, will you?
10:26Joe Marler:Hi, Janet. Could you send in Emmett J. Scanlon? Fuck off. Please can we keep all of these in?
10:38Joe Marler:Yo, Janet. Send in Emmett. Emmett J. Scanlon. Send him in. It's not a silly bite. Why's he got a lisp? I'll do my gangster voice. Give me a gangster voice. So you could do like Michael Caine, like that. Oh, yeah. Or you could do Statham. Okay. Yeah. All right, Janet. Yeah, send in Emmet J. Scanlon, will you? I won't ask twice. That work? That loves it, yeah. Emmet J. Scanlon, everybody! My man. Hello, Emmet. How are we here? Oh, yeah. Oh, that's great. Lovely. Okay, hey. Okay. Come here. Thank you, you're welcome. Oh, yes, please. I'll have one of those. Come on. What's your name? I'm Jake. Very nice to meet you.
11:29Joe Marler:Do you know what the worst part is? I said I'm Jake. I know who you are. I completely succumbed to it as well. Are you kidding me? You're Jake slash Luke for six weeks. Whoa! That is such a deep cut of the podcast. Listen, guys, can I just say before we start this off that I am a massive fan of this podcast. I remember when we were talking about the potential of me coming on here. It was about eight weeks ago. two months ago. And I was like, well, I better do some research. I better watch one of the episodes just in case I happen to be on this show. So I do. I watched my first episode I watched was the Ross Kemp episode.
12:06And he's clearly insane bananas, like brilliant and a legend in his own right. And I don't listen to him for fucking three hours if I could have. And I was like, this is amazing. So then I watched three other episodes on the bounce and every single one of them was brilliant. And I was thinking to myself, well, okay, the bar is high now and I'm already doing this and doing shit like this makes me uncomfortable because I don't have a mask to hide behind. I don't have a script to hide behind. I don't have lines to say. I have to be authentically myself while fucking cameras are rolling. So I was like, for the next seven days, I tried to find a shit guest.
12:43For real. I tried to find a low bar, a low bar from which to build my confidence on. So when I came on here, I could go like, however this goes, it doesn't matter because I'm not going to be as bad as X, Y, or Z. And I found
13:00no one, not one. So statistically, this episode has a good chance of being a low bar, which makes me excited, but also makes me feel like Will Farrell in the bear pit where he immediately regrets this decision. so please to the editor be kind. This is already one of my favourite periods of time I've spent in my life.
13:24Joe Marler:Forget about the episodes. Emmett, thank you very much for doing your research and saying such lovely words. That is kind. Massive fan. Shall we begin with the intake questionnaire? Please. Full name. Emmett Robert John Scanlon. So when Jake, when we were saying in the intro about who we've got on, Jake said we've got Emmet J. Scanlon. And I said, are we Emmet J. Scanlon all the time? Like, do you insist on people calling you Emmet J. Scanlon? No, not at all. In fact, my nickname is just Scan. So anybody who knows me and who's friends with me just call me Scan. So you can call me Emmet J. Scanlon.
14:08Joe Marler:Why did you keep the J, not the R? Oh. That was my confirmation name. I was basically named, my dad named me Emmet after an Irish rebel called Robert Emmet who was hung, drawn, and quartered by the English. This has got awkward. Wow. And that was it. So my confirmation name, I picked Robert. And John has always been my middle name. So it was that kind of thing. I also added the, I'm born E-M-M-E-T. I added an extra T for my acting name because emet is Hebrew for truth. And that's kind of, it sounds fucking wanky, but that's kind of the process of acting is don't get caught acting, find the truth.
14:49So that's why I changed it to Emma J.
14:52Joe Marler:Scanlon. It's gone into top three. Yeah. We've got full name and it's gone into top three. I know. You're not getting that from Specs Gonzalez, are you? Star sign. Aquarius. Oh Manserians It's actually a little bit disconcerting how much he knows about us Yes It's incredible Occupation A father in that order Everything else is fucking background noise Everything else is a hobby A father A dad
15:29Big family man Yeah I remember 25 years ago I turned around to my old man and I said, Dad, can I have a conversation with you? Can we go to the pub and have a pint? And 25 years ago, my relationship with my dad was quite tumultuous, volatile distance. He was a typical Irish generational man, you know, loved to drink, didn't know how to express himself, would sit in silence quite a lot. And anyway, I said, let's go for a drink. I need to talk to you and we're sitting in a bar with a Guinness and a whiskey chaser each and we're facing outward we're not looking at each other and he says she's pregnant isn't she and I went yeah yeah dad she is and we sit in silence for another two minutes and I say to him what's it like to be a dad and he raised his Guinness put it to his lips and just before he took a sup he whispered vulnerable and then 24 years ago my daughter was born and I saw my heart outside of my body for the very first time and I think as parents we our job is to try to prepare and arm our kids for a happy life a life that they will never get that we will never get to see them finish and that is the best case scenario our job is to be memories for our kids and ghosts for their future and we have to endeavor to make those fucking memories so goddamn important and so interesting and so present we have to live every single day like it's going to be our last because one day it will be but that's the job my job is a dad have you said that before no wow Wow.
17:20Joe Marler:But I am shaking. That was one of the most… I could listen to you for hours. It's one of the most beautiful passages of speech I've ever heard anyone say. There was no hesitation, there was no um, there were no filler words. Everything was with complete conviction. I really respect that. It was gorgeous. Thank you, Jake Slash Luke, for six weeks. That is unbelievable. Thank you for sharing that as well. The way that you have. I've never heard anyone be able to speak with such fluidity. We have at least an hour left. Don't worry. we'll fuck it up some way hold my beer the next question is morning routine i get up i would get up every single morning no matter what time i go to bed at i will wake up at 5 30 in the morning and for one hour i call it my happy hour it's where i try to arm myself for the day ahead.
18:15I think that the secrets to life, or certainly the measure of success, is happiness and joy, because you can have all the fucking things you want, all the relationships you want, all the children you want, but without happiness, it's, well, it's fucking meaningless, really. So I spend that hour from 5.30 to 6.30. I get up, and the first thing I do, first thing I do before my face works up, before the elasticity kicks into my face and my eyes open. I slap on a song, a song that I'm obsessed with, and I dance. I find a room on my own and I fucking dance for about three or four minutes. I raise my vibration.
18:53I raise my energy and I dance. Right now it's the Rolling Stones' Mr. Charm. It is a fucking beautiful one. I'd love to dance with you one of these days, aren't you? So that's what I would do. I'd raise my vibration straight away. Then I'd go into my affirmations. I'd go into my, I'll do a meditation. I'm addicted to ice baths. I'll hop into an ice bath at two degrees for four minutes, a sauna for 15 minutes. I will bulletproof myself. And it is the most important thing that I can possibly do. And it's one of the selfish things that I need to do, more important than anything else, in order to be of service to other people, in order to be a better dad, or a more attentive husband, or a fucking, you know, a better scene partner to my co-star on set.
19:38so that's I need to do that because I have you know I have the devil inside of me and as well I've got darkness inside of me so you need to
19:47Joe Marler:self love yeah you said it was selfish but it's self love yeah you have to do it in order to be the best for the other people poor kids though I mean 538 dad turn the bloody noise down you're stomping down you're above me okay you've decided to do it there the music's going you've got the ice clinking about everywhere war everywhere It's 5.30 in the morning, Dad. What's something that some people might not know about you? Oh, fuck me, man. Something that people might not know about me. I was 22. Oh, go on. Oh, that. Oof. I almost went somewhere else. Oh. Oh, wow. I want to know that one. I want to know that one.
20:31I was 22 when I found out I was circumcised. Were you? Mm. You had no idea? No, I had no idea. Basically, when I was growing up, I thought there were two types of dicks in the world, right? There was the good-looking dick, the one that I had, the rare one, the one that looked neat, the one that had a head. And then there was the more common dick, the kind of like, I don't know, loose skin, like a decapitated Jedi of some sorts, and that was a more common one. And then when I was 22, standing naked in front of another girl, and she goes, oh, you're circumcised. and went, is that what that is? And then all of a sudden, a light turned on in my head and it was like a Matrix download.
21:11And that was the first night I ever had sex with a circumcised dick.
21:17Joe Marler:Thank you so much for sharing that. Thanks, man. I've never heard somebody describe an uncircumcised penis as a decapitated Jedi.
21:28Joe Marler:What the fuck? That is my favourite. You're better off not having one. People waste their foreskins on trivial things. Did you come up with an example of the top of your head? I met a colonel in the army who told me when he was younger, him and the other lads in the army used to see how many two-pence pieces they can fit down their foreskin. Couldn't believe it. What? Yeah. How many? 22. When I found out I was circumcised. Yeah, oh my God. Oh my God, full circle. Honestly, were you prepped pre-show that we were telling a foreskin story? No, no, no, no. That is weird. No, no, no. No, no, no. You weren't prepped that it was 22 pieces, and you weren't prepped that you were going to then come and say you were 22 when you found...
22:18Joe Marler:You think this is a bit? No, I just think there's a weird... There's a good weird, but a good weird energy in the room. That's good. Yeah. I think... You feel that? I don't think this is going to haunt me for the rest of my fucking career, that's for sure. That was a real nice... I'm really like, can we rewind it back and talk about Amphantasia? We'll stick with Decapitated Jedi, thanks. Okay, sound. What's the... Amphantasia is basically... I was 41 when I found this out. Deep in the heart of lockdown, like balls deep into lockdown, I was like finding a real comfort in and alike towards tequila.
23:00And at that time as well, I was trying to find other outlets in which more constructive, nicer outlets in which to spend my time rather than tequila. And I found Wim Hof, breathing exercises, ice bath, fasting, and meditation. And one of those meditations was with a good friend of ours, a spiritual teacher. Myself, my wife were doing this Zoom, global Zoom meditation. And she was talking about like, okay, the blue light of Archangel Michael is around you and you're dancing on the rings of fucking Saturn. I'm being facetious here, but I might as well, just so you know, that's how crazy it was, the imagery.
23:38And I just tapped out. I'd had enough at that point. And I was just like, I can't do this anymore. And I sat up and the missus came over and said, what's wrong? I says, nobody can imagine things. Nobody can see blue lights. I says, of course you can. I said, no, you can't. She says, no, you can. I said, so if I said gray elephant, could you see a gray elephant in your head? She goes, yeah, absolutely. I can see a grey elephant. I says, so you can see pictures? And he goes, yeah. I says, I don't see pictures. So I look at you, Joe, and I'll close my eyes, and it's just black. It's static. I have no idea what you look like until I open.
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24:06Oh, my God. What? And I wish I didn't sometimes. No, I don't. You're a stiringly handsome Adonis. And then, like, so I realized, then I rang my best mate. I rang my parents. Not my dad. I was still fighting with him over the circumcised story. I rang a good friend of mine. Alex Lanny Peckin, and he found a New York Times article called Aphantasia, where 3 % of the world's population don't see in images. They have nothing. So I have no memory of my childhood. I cannot picture anything about my childhood. I can tell you feelings I had of maybe, I don't know, fear, loneliness, and pockets of fucking happiness and love and all that.
24:51I can't imagine a future. I can't imagine getting up on stage holding an award or holding my wife when she's older. I can't imagine any of these things. So I was wondering to myself, well, then if I can't do that, if I can't see in pictures and everyone else sees very vividly in pictures, then how am I able to attract the thing that I'm doing if I can't see the pictures? And I realize that it all comes down to feeling. It all comes down to energy. It all comes down to vibration.
25:23Joe Marler:so that's how i see do you do you know how that impacts on your acting or do you just because you know no different yeah when i'm acting i do as much research and as much uh like uh like i watch as many films as i can read as many books as i can about whatever that topic is it topic is and then even though my retention isn't good in imagery the feeling of that is there that's kind of my my energy or my echoes so I do that as much as I can I look at the script I learn the lines so I don't have to think about them again and then I step up on set and just assume that the character shows up between the words action and cut and just hope that fucking if you throw enough shit at the wall some of it will stick you mentioned not being able to like picture or remember a lot of your past and then you struggle to sure sure sure sure picture a future as well yeah yeah very much so so all I got is right here right now So then it could be a blessing.
26:22Joe Marler:It forces your hand to be more present in everything that you're doing. It does force you to be present. And I did say to one of my best mates, I said, wow, imagine what I could attract if I could see an imagery. And he said, it's fucking awful. If you get a bad film going on in your head, tapping out of that is really difficult. I went, oh, okay, well, maybe it is good that I'm kind of blind. Maybe ignorance is this. Maybe everything's going to be about energy and vibration, but that's not to say I don't have an insidious little **** inside my head, that narrative, you know what I mean? That keeps on going on and on and on and on and on and on, trying to belittle you or whatever.
27:00I love that.
27:02Joe Marler:Do you consent to being analysed by someone who's not a real doctor? Yes. Ooh, there was some thought in that. I'd love to analyse you afterwards. I'd love to see that as well. I don't know what's happening. Anyway, I've got your consent, so that's absolutely fine. Thank you very much. Thank you.
27:24Joe Marler:Talk to me, if you want to, about Neverland Syndrome. Yes. Okay. My first taste of movies was around seven years of age. I would watch movies like Donald the Living Dead, Exorcist, Poltergeist, you know Fright Night Ghoulies there was a movie where a guy sat down on a toilet and a ghoulie came up and had his bollocks and I couldn't shit without hovering for about a few years so like that was my first introduction it'll get to the Neverland Syndrome you one dark motherfucker you never 10 years old no but no but no so what it was was that gets to the Neverland Syndrome is that I would watch that with my mum so that was my first taste of movies because my dad would hate my horrors and my sister She was five, so she was obviously too young.
28:17Seven was fine. Seven was absolutely fine. Weird thing is, I could watch zombies eat the brains of the living dead, but the minute half a breast was shown, I was always like, shut your eyes, Emmett. I was never allowed to see what was underneath a woman's top. Anyway, fast forward to that. That was my first taste of it. Fast forward to me being nine, the ripe old age of nine, I'm watching a movie called Rocky, Sylvester Stallone. It's my favorite movie of all time. He was my hero growing up. and I was shadow boxing behind my mother's sofa and I couldn't believe that a film, a story or a performance was able to touch me or inspire me in such a way and I'm pretty sure that I'd be looking at it going like, if I feel like this watching him, I wonder what he feels like doing that thing.
29:08so I from that moment pretty sure from that moment I dedicated my life to in pursuit of that doing thing that uh Neverland syndrome that Peter Pan syndrome that never grow up syndrome that I talk about it's about learning to uh live inside your imagination it's about uh trying to be a child and if you're lucky enough, get paid for it, which facilitates you being able to tell stories. And I think the currency, true currency of that for me is getting on set collaboratively. As you know, having a family here collaboratively and making something, creating something together. and that's I mean I am more myself when I'm on set than at any other time in the day you know just hiding behind a fucking mask and then when somebody comes over and says hey what you did I liked it reminds me of that nine year old boy shadow boxing still probably shadow boxing behind his mother's sofa so it's yeah that's a Neverland syndrome
30:23Joe Marler:that that's given me food for thought. Go on. The way I see it is you've got two forces inside you. The disciplined grown-up who gets up at Dawn's Chorus and does the ice plunge two degrees for four minutes and then sauna for 15. That's a nice finish off. Or the inner child, the mini Peter Pan that just doesn't want to grow up and just wants to play games all the time and play act all the time. So with those two inner forces in mind, I want to find out who the real Emmett J. Scanlon is. Good luck. So menacing the way he said good luck. Okay. Does that sound like fun? It sounds delightful. What was your first bit of acting?
31:22Joe Marler:that you actually experienced. Let's unlock that childhood of yours. Okay. I was 14 years of age and I was too young to be cast, but I was cast in my very first production, which was Joseph and Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, which was a school production. And it was... They were always standing in front of a vine. I picked some grapes and I crushed them to wine. I gave some to Pharaoh who drank from my cup. I tried to interpret, but I had to give up. I remember those lines. I couldn't tell you what I was saying last week. Very good. Oh, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.
32:00And was that the only lines? I only had four lines. I think I might have even improvised a little bit. But I came on the stage, and for me, there was like maybe 2 ,000 people there. It was probably about 100. And I did the thing and sang my little part and then walked off, and I got a round of applause. And I was like, oh, shit, that feels nice. And it was the first time anybody ever applauded anything I did. You know, I was 14 years of age. I said, well, maybe this is the thing. Because I already knew that I loved movies and I loved losing myself in stuff to prevent me from staying so much up here.
32:41So, yeah, I think that was my first taste. That was my first experience of that. And I wanted more of that.
32:47Joe Marler:What was the moment that catapulted you to going, right, I'm going to make a career out of this? I mean, there's always moments where your trajectory kind of changes. I remember the first leading role I ever got was a movie called Charlie Casanova. And I played Charlie and it was this sociopath who made all his decisions based on the draw of a card. ace to five yes, six to ten no, you'd play a game of cards and you'd advocate responsibility. So anywhere from, you let the cards decide, almost like the dice man, so you let the cards decide. So anywhere from throwing this table onto the, over or cutting your throat, whatever the case may be.
33:34So he put all his power into the cards. I played this sociopath and I got the lead of that. And that was, and then I remember a couple of weeks before I was filming, I'd walk around the streets of Dublin City Centre with a deck of cards asking people if they wanted to play a game, you know, and just to try and get, to try and find, I've since changed my approach. I figured not many people wanted to work with that guy. So, yeah, and that was the first, that was my first lead and it was the first time I was nominated for something and that kind of changed it. And then on the back of that i got i went straight over to britain uh over to england and did holly oaks and made 2010 for two years and that again changed everything for me a little bit you know and uh yeah and i was just trying to navigate that and get used to that so there were moments and then kin is another thing that changed it my plan is another thing that changed back are you allowed to say you do yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:36I'm halfway through season three right now. Oh, brilliant. Yeah, and in my humble opinion, they are the best scripts yet. I think so. I think...
34:46Joe Marler:If you've not seen Kin yet, it is fucking box office television. Oh, thank you, brother. Thank you, brother. Absolutely brilliant. I appreciate that. Good duck. Yeah, I appreciate that. Kin, Peaky Blinders and Mobland. Yes. They're all quite... Light. are you quite you know gangster heavy yes sir they are do you like playing gangsters like is this a thing that you really enjoy doing I like working I mean I like I like getting on set I like investing my time in and hopefully putting together a box set of characters that are gonna fucking outlast my time here on this earth and I like the fact that I have a chance to do it I get to play Paul O'Donnell and Mobland and I get to dance opposite heroes of mine and I get to learn with them I get to get on the mats with them get on their stage where I get to watch Helen Mirren you know Pierce Brosnan and Tom Hardy I don't mind what I do so long as I'm on set and I get to play so long as I get to to to learn from people and become better as a result of that what does that feel like because you being on set with them you spoke about being a bit nervous before coming in I was.
36:01Joe Marler:Yeah, yeah, big fans. But it's me and Jake slash Luke and a lovely team of producers and all the team here and we're here to look after whoever comes in and have fun with. Yeah, you do that. But you're then on set with these big, like... Giants. Giants of the acting world. Do you then, like, shit your pants? No, man, I'm excited. You're excited? I'm excited. I want to go toe-to-toe. I want to, like... I love that you keep describing it like toe-to-toe. I want to go, I want to beat fuck out of them. I just want to fucking dance. Sometimes I'll leave, sometimes I'll leave. And to be able to share the space with these people that you grew up watching, that I admire so much, the magic of that is never lost on me.
36:50When I signed up to do Mobland, I was supposed to die in episode nine of season one. I only signed up for nine episodes. And then somewhere along the way, our incredible scribe, Jez Butterworth, he changed his mind and started writing more and more things for my character. And then episode nine came along and there was no dead scene. Episode 10 came along, no dead scene. I said, what the fuck, am I in season two? And then season two, and Jez, like the incredible person that he is, he's managed to get this crazy story and then inject it and take it to another level where season two, in my opinion, is like if season one is a rabid dog, season two is the fucking dogs of Hades.
37:34It is just, it's insanity. And it's wonderful to play in that world. That's my playground. And I absolutely love it.
37:43Joe Marler:When you're in there and you've got a scene with Pierce Brosnan or Tom Hardy or any of them, are you there like, oh, I've been acting a while now. I belong here. I feel great. I feel comfortable being alongside you. or is there still part of you that goes how the fuck have i got in here yeah it's a great question um that comes down to like that insidious little shit inside your head telling that you're telling yourself that you're not good enough or that you think people might think that you're not good enough uh uh to be there and he does creep in he i mean he creeps in every once in a while but I try to change the narrative of that you know like I'm like I was scared coming in here doing this podcast because like I said I'm a big fan and and whatnot but I try and change the rhetoric of that instead of scared I'm gonna I'm gonna keep saying I'm excited I'm excited both of those things they both serve the same thing but only one of those things makes me feel better so when when he gets when he gets into my head I try to push him away as much as I can But I think that's where the morning routine comes into place.
38:52When you do the morning routine, you're able to, you know, try and be as happy as you possibly can so you feel deserving to be on set. While at the same time, it's like Christmas. It's like it's magical. It's just one of those weird experiences.
39:09Joe Marler:It's that change in approach that you go in. It's still the same feelings you get of nerves and... Yeah, yeah, nerves. Should I be here or thingy? but your mind is now telling you or changing the approach. Like you said, it's more of a positive spin. I'm excited to attack this as opposed to, fuck, are they going to find out that I shouldn't be here or I'm not good enough to be here? Oh, man, that... Have that consistency in the morning to constantly have that fight in your own head and go, how am I going to approach today then? Am I going to let him win or am I going to win? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of those, like, don't be scared about the thief in the alley who's after your purse.
39:45Be scared about the thief in your mind that's after your promises. So it's that kind of shit, you know what I mean? We know that our thoughts carry power, they carry frequency, they carry energy. So it's kind of like, you know, and we all know like thoughts become your words, your words become your actions, your actions become your habits, habits become your character, character becomes your fucking destiny. So it's important that when you're thinking about shit, that you make sure that those thoughts are good. Because, you know, Milton says that mind makes a heaven a hell and a hell of heaven.
40:13So once you get caught in there, you're fucked so the best way to do that I believe is to just short circuit the wiring of that the bogus wiring for that and the only way that I can do that is by getting up at 5.30 every morning dancing like a fucking maniac and throwing myself in the two degree ice bath
40:31Joe Marler:why do you everything you you put it so eloquently I've had to write down that thief purse alleyway promises thing I love that and you don't stumble once as well I'd have got the order wrong of the character leads to the thoughts. Now, let me talk again. So thoughts leads to the actions, leads to the work. That in itself, I would need to revise that order of how it progresses. Oh, God. On that, what about fear? Is fear something that motivates you? Yes, 100%. Find out what you're afraid of and go live there. That's why I'm here. I always find out what I'm afraid of and I try and make it commonplace.
41:09I try to push that comfort zone, you know?
41:11Joe Marler:Yeah, I like to think that if you're constantly in your comfort zone, you'll stay who you are. Exactly. Unless you get out and become uncomfortable, put yourself in a situation, that's where you grow. Yeah. I don't know what I'm doing. I still fucking don't know what I'm doing. But the more that you get out there and try something different. You constantly put yourself into those situations despite your fear. That's something to... Yeah, but again, that goes back to your head. This is why you connect with people. I need to do it. Otherwise, I'll just stay still because I want to. Sure. I want to grow.
41:44Joe Marler:I want to learn. I want to learn new things, meet new people, what their experiences are and all that lot. And then, but it's also hard work because it can be, it's exhausting. It's exhausting, yeah. And you're scared shitless of like, oh, that means I'm going to have to be myself and that means they're going to judge me. But the alternative is you're a fucking prisoner to your own fear and then you're like, well, where's the fucking, like you said, where's the ground? I am eating loads. And you're at home. Oh, I still do that. Watching Emmett play soccerade. that is unacceptable oh my god that is honestly Jake slash Luke for six weeks was that your fucking phone that is honestly sorry I'll deal with this no man this is unbelievable we were doing so well that Jake I yield I yield on so many occasions I know I know I've even yielded this morning being an hour late I know I know I can't look at you right now what you've just done it's not what I've done go on You say it and then I'll tell you the whole story.
42:42Joe Marler:What you've done by allowing your laptop to be on full sound... Yeah. And I also know that it's a message that's come through from the team to help you with it whilst we keep going. So you're going to, like... I was going to drop them under the bus completely. But the point I'm saying is you kept it on there. I'm doubt. We can move on, can't we? Gutted about that. Honestly, I'm gutted about that. Emma, I'm so sorry. That's... Oh, God. You apologise to our guest, mate, who's fucking opened up for the last 45 minutes. I know, just to hear that go off. Oh, God. I'm sorry, you were saying? No, no, never mind.
43:19Oh, man.
43:21Joe Marler:Unbelievable. Was it important? Huh? Who was it? At least, who was it? Name and shade. Georgia said, this is good, isn't it?
43:31Can you believe that? This is all right, isn't it? It's really good.
43:36Joe Marler:I was going to reply, being like, it is. I hope they don't notice me saying that though. It's just so good. I can't tell you enough. It's so good. Peace. Pieces of shit. It's so good. This is all it's like. Oh, God.
44:00Joe Marler:We interrupt this episode to remind you that we are going on tour. Yes, Janet has been hard at work and organised not one, not two, not three. I don't have time for this. It's seven shows across the UK. Can't believe it. Seven? Seven. But where are we going? You can't even count to seven. I can. Look, I've got seven fingers. I know. Well, I don't know you saying I've got seven fingers sort of proves that you're mathematically gifted. Okay, right. We've worked the numbers out, but what about the destinations? Where are we going? Let me try and do it in one breath. We're going to Birmingham, York, Manchester, Bristol, Northampton, Brighton and London all this autumn.
44:34Joe Marler:Look, Janet's put a lot of work into this tour and it would genuinely upset her if you didn't buy a ticket. That is, of course, me guilt-tripping you in buying the tickets, which is actually unkind. We want you to want to buy the tickets. We want you to want to buy the tickets, but also we don't want you letting her down. She's been hard at work all year putting this tour together. I just don't want her in a bad mood because no one's come to the shows, okay? I mean, I already have to work with him. He gets quite in a bad mood a lot anyway. Tickets are on sale right now. Just find the link in the episode description.
45:04Joe Marler:And who knows, you might even get to see a little more of Janet in the flesh than you bargained for. I don't think she's up. Is she up for that? Have we got clearance that she's alright with that? You've written that in. So don't now backtrack from it. Unbelievable. Sure. I can't work like this.
45:30Joe Marler:Let's talk about fatherhood, which you touched on in the... Yes, yes, yes, yes. And also your Neverland Syndrome. Did becoming a father have an effect on that? Did you find yourself going, Oh, hang on. I'm desperate to always stay in that child mindset and play time and all that. But hang on, I've now got a tiny human that I've got to help survive and then thrive, help them become good. so did that change you had to grow up quicker uh i don't know whether i have grown up i think i think being a father has helped me become a better actor because you're kind of you know you know christmas has become magical again you start questioning things again you start asking questions the fucking the the wonder that children find and the joy they find in the same company or the same thing over and over and over again we kind of lose that as we get older and uh and i steal from my job they they they bring me back to a more rooted place of playfulness and uh and joy and like i said before that's that to me is that to me is success.
46:56So I just kind of I milk my little daughter Fionn Luna's toothless smile on her three chins and I just and I look at it and I FaceTime her and I'll FaceTime my son Ocean Thorne and you know they put me in this really good playful place or when I'm playing with them and then I'll go on set and I'll and I'll and I'll use that. It's just a wonderful... I think I've become a better person because of being a dad, and I think I've become a better actor as a result of that. And I owe them 10%.
47:32Joe Marler:There's pureness in them. I'm like... It's pure happiness or pure joy that I feed off from them. I'm like, oh my God, all these things that are going around in my head that I'm worrying about. And I spend half an hour just sitting there watching them, like playing and going off and going off and going, I'd go, fuck. Glorious, or else they'll drop some absolute clangers. They'll just drop some one-liners that are just brilliant. I remember driving back and picking up my daughter. I got Ocean in the back seat and Fionn's over there and we just picked her up from forest school. And, you know, I'm driving along and she's like, oh, where's my Bobo?
48:12You know, I want a little soother. And I said, well, listen, we're literally just two minutes away. and she's and of course she's like fucking two she has no idea what time is she doesn't give a shit and it's like she immediately starts crying I said sweetheart we're two minutes literally we're on the same road we'll turn right there and she starts bawling and my son is there with his book like that and he doesn't even look up and he goes wow tough crowd and that was it and I'm just like that's fucking genius that's absolutely beautiful and then I'll just burst out laughing you know it's just Amazing.
48:50You mentioned earlier that your morning routine
48:53Joe Marler:helps you deal with the devil inside you. In fact, you've mentioned it several times. You've called them the insidious little git or little... OK, we'll go with then. Is the devil inside you? Is it a part of you that is like a scary part of you? Or is it a separate entity that is the voice telling you that you're not good enough? Or is it both? It's the devil inside of you or the darkness inside of me. We all have light and darkness inside of us and it's kind of trying to find that balance because, you know, I like both quite a lot. So in order to facilitate both of them coexisting within me, I have to do things that allow for a nice, peaceful marriage.
49:49Now, sometimes I can tip one way or another way, but it's just that juggling act where I have to incorporate a lot of things in order to facilitate things that I really like as well.
50:02Joe Marler:Is stuff like your morning routine? That's important, yeah. and stuff like that that keep those self-destruct impulses away self-destruction yeah yeah it is it's important to stay on top of those do you yeah it is so say you went say that went out the window left left to my own devices i would like you know that would be a scary scary place to be you know so that's why that's not to say that like like one thing is stronger than the other i'm making this kind of sound like if i don't do this then i'm going to be this type of person but it's not it's not like that it's kind of i love both sides i love getting up early and i love hitting an ice bath and meditating and playing with my kids and stuff like that but then again you know at the same time i love you know other things like fucking you know tequila and you know i'm trying to get the best way for me to tell you how much that like relates to me and how this lot I've only experienced it once so far but I did jokingly say to you before when we were doing the run through and that lot I was like oh I think I'm due my next meltdown and it was like we can joke about it because I can feel it like usually for me it's like every six months I sort of implode self implode and I just go fuck all this I'm done can't do any of this I'm not interested and that's to everything and unless i stay on top of unless i stay on top of like going to the gym i found this gym that's like yeah insane half hour away from me i get up at five i peg it down there a nice drive in there and then i'm with my own thought that's my sort of ice bath sauna moment where i'm in the car and i'm deciding am i going to listen to him today or am I going to listen to me today and get through that?
51:57Joe Marler:And then I add the consistency of the gym where I'm chasing something, like a goal, and that makes me feel physically good, but mentally I'm on track with it. And as long as I'm staying on it, that sets up my whole day. It sets up my whole week. It means that I am there for my wife and kids. It means that I am there at work and present and I can be more sometimes a little bit late, okay? But I'm still present. Sometimes very late. Can I say what's beautiful about you, Joe, is that, like,
52:34weak people gossip about other people to build, like, fake connections. Strong people express their vulnerability to build real ones. And you are a beast of a man who expresses his vulnerabilities all the fucking time to build real connections. You allow and facilitate other people to talk about it too. So when that insidious little inside of your head starts belittling you and ridiculing you, what do you do? You talk about it. And you, Jake, slash Luke of Six Weeks, facilitate that conversation and are as important to that conversation, although not really, But no, but I mean it. What you do is extraordinary.
53:29And the vulnerability there is really powerful and is a sure sign of your strength, I think.
53:37Joe Marler:That's very kind of you to say that. Thank you. You're welcome. And that's why I actually only said that. So you'd be kind in the edit when it comes to this podcast. Oh, we don't edit this. Sorry. Bollocks. No, this is the first one we've decided we're not going. we're doing a new route aren't we yeah yeah this is being live stream actually oh shit um so yeah that's it's a love it's lovely to meet someone and i'm probably lovely's not the right word that's a good word but i could instantly connect i'm like oh okay you might be this big actor that i see on a tv screen and a movie screen and You're Paul O'Donnell.
54:24Joe Marler:Oh, O'Donnell. But then I get to meet you in real life and I go, oh, hang on. This is Emmett. And I'm like, oh, that's quite a cool connection there. Thank you, brother.
54:39Joe Marler:Emmett, you've shared a lot today. Thanks, mate. But before you go, I've got one final exercise for you to try. I really want to tap into your inner child. Emmett, trapped inside of you. we know you have demons as we all do. Self-destruction, imposter syndrome, perfectionism. We'd like to exercise those demons with a game of Operation. And... No way. Just to help you visualise this character as you, we've stuck a beard on as well. Thank you so much, man. That's you. New rules. I mean, it's not strictly you. No. It's you if you didn't do all the healthy things that you did stay on top. We're going to give you five lives.
55:18Joe Marler:I want to know if you can exercise all of these demons. I just want to see. No, I just want to see if it was working. I just want to see if it was working. We want to see if you can get all three out. Okay. Imposter syndrome, perfectionism, and self-destruction. Which one do you think is... What's he going for first? Perfection... Are you taking a piss? Sorry, I just told you there. We were trying this before we started. None of us could do... Are you fuck off? Are you fuck off? No. We've had some wonderful passage of speech for a moment today, and we've gone with are you fuck off?
55:53Well, first of all, this fucking thing. Whoa, whoa, whoa. It doesn't go wide enough to even go around it.
55:58Joe Marler:You don't blame your tools, mate. It doesn't go wide enough to go around it. So you got rid of perfectionism first. Interesting. It was just easier. That'll be one life gone. I didn't touch that. Yes, you did. Look, this doesn't go wide enough to go around the head of my self-destruction. Take it out with Hasbro, buddy. Okay, so perfectionism has been removed from the operating table. No way. He's now going through imposter syndrome. No way. Self-destruction. You've done it? No, it's so fitting that this is the one that's still alive. He's taken perfectionism out and he's taken imposter syndrome out.
56:37Joe Marler:How many lives are left? He's got four remaining. But you see, it's not wide enough to grab this. That's the problem. That's what self-destruction would say, wouldn't it? Look, come on, can I just show you how ridiculous this is? If this, this... The tongs are not wide enough. They're not wide enough to wrap around the fucking stupid mushroom. I know you've got... The ball's been tipped over, self-destruction's fallen out, it's the end of the exercise, I'm very excited. Unbelievable. Right, well, it appears like self-destruction was the winner.
57:19Joe Marler:All jokes aside, yes, sir. That was a bit of fun and games. I'm proud of you. Thanks, mate. I'm proud of you. I really am. You've shared so much today and I appreciate it. We all appreciate it here. It's been great fun at times and it's been pretty dark at others and I do really respect you and appreciate you sharing all of that. But in terms of bringing it back to the final exercise where we were like, oh, you need to take out the self-destruction and perfectionism and imposter syndrome. I don't think you do. I think they're the things that probably drive you to a degree. Like if you don't have those little bits that you have to keep on top of and all that, then I don't think you'd be as successful as you've become.
58:04Joe Marler:I think you're fucking great. Oh, thank you, brother. I also love the way that I can say that to you and then go, do you want a lollipop?
58:15Joe Marler:Can I see them though? I want to see if they're shit or not. Before you go, not only will you get a lollipop, you will get a badge. This is what I'm looking forward to. To remember your time and always remind you of the lack of help we gave you today. What have we gone with, Jake? Really happy with today's badge. I love it. It better be good after that. Peter J. Pan. Oh. Beautiful, isn't it? Good. Gorgeous. Really good. Gorgeous. Thanks for you to take home and do what you will. And you went with green. Oh, green. I know. Why green? Just because I'm Irish. And it was the closest one to me. They all look shit, to be fair.
58:53Joe Marler:Before you go, Mobland, I know where to watch it. But for people who don't, where can they watch it? Mobland season two, please. Paramount+. As simple as that? Paramount+. Mate, you've been brilliant. Thank you so much, man. Emmett Scallon, everybody. All right, Janet will sort you out. Bugger off. Thanks, man. All right. Quite the man. Look at that. Oh, that beard. His beard is so soft. I wish I'd have stroked his beard in real life. I think you'd have punched in the face for that. Yeah, probably a good idea. Anyway, if you want to join the doctor's wait list, then please subscribe to our YouTube channel and follow us on Instagram, at We'll See You Now Show.
59:35Joe Marler:Remember, unless it's not clear enough already, I'm not a real doctor. If you need any professional help, You'll find a link to great support services on our Instagram. I've been Joe Marler, he's been... I've been happy to be here. Brilliant. And this has been Joe Marler, we'll see you now and we'll see you next time. Bye-bye. Bye.
From the publisher
Emmett J. Scanlan can’t picture his childhood. He can’t imagine himself growing old, and until relatively recently, he had no idea everyone else could.
The Peaky Blinders, Kin and MobLand actor opens up to Joe about living with aphantasia, his complicated relationship with fear, the self-destructive impulses he works to keep under control and why becoming a father changed everything.
He’s in the office to discuss his “Neverland Syndrome” and how he approaches life and work with child-like wonder. But as Joe learns, there’s a darkness inside of him.
Joe attempts to rid him of imposter syndrome, perfectionism and self-destruction with a highly sophisticated psychological tool: Operation.
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