Jason Fox: Risk, Pain and Going COMMANDO?

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1:52When every second counts, count on ADT. Visit ADT.com to learn more. This episode of Joe Marlow Will See You Now is brought to you by Giacomo. Style for every man made simple. Me and a few mates decided to go paintballing one weekend because we were fucking bored. The team that we were up against were about 13, 14 years old and we fucking wiped the floor with them. I just say on behalf of all of us, thank you for your service. What's something we might see in movies that they always get wrong? Soldiers will never use automatic gunfire. So you know you've got their weapons and they're like... When I think of pain, I think of these.

2:43A set of tweezers. Jason Fox of the Special Forces will be using a tweezer to pluck Joe Marler of England rugby's. Have I got something? Yeah. F*** off, f***.

2:59Hello, welcome to my office. This is Joe Marler will see you now with me, Dr. Joe Marler. This is a show where I frack the minds of celebrities and extract the gassy knowledge that lies within them. With me, as always, is my trusty research assistant, Jake. Jake, how are you? I'm really good. What a beautiful turn of phrase you got on you today. Have you learnt new words? I really have, yeah. I've eaten well this week. Have you? What have you been eating? Thesaurus. Oh, I see. Dictionary. Sure. Duolingo. Fine. So if you want me to do the intro again, in French, for example, Just like that. Can you?

3:43Can you speak other languages? Come on, give me a bit of French. Bonjour, mademoiselle. Welcome. I didn't know I was speaking French because this is sort of saying welcome in a German accent. I didn't know that was what speaking French was. Welcome, I am the French person. I was giving you my next language. What about you, mate? Any other languages? No, no, no, no. I can speak like some Punjabi, but only the words that my parents would use to get annoyed at me with. So I can't speak anything other than if someone said, which means you crazy boy. Quite apt though, wasn't it? Or you know what that means because of the gesture.

4:28Hello? That means you're getting a spanked body, mister. You've been very, very badly behaved. That translates as you're getting a spanked body, mister. Well, no, I don't think that, yeah. I mean, the translation was very camp, wasn't it? It wasn't, you can't go in with, and the translation is, you, sir, are getting a very spanked body for being a very, very misbehaved boy. So yeah, I can't speak a huge amount of languages. I am feeling a little bit nervous, Joe. A little bit nervous about... Why so? Please, this is a safe space. Well, we've had all sorts of guests walk through these wonderful doors, haven't we?

5:05And a lot of them have been performers, would you say? All by one It's a great place to go for a drink but let's stay on topic please I like the cocktails personally

5:19It's your speed My wife absolutely adores how quick you are What a beautiful sentence When did your wife say that she adored how quick I was? The other night Really? Yeah, you're obviously interpreting that in as No, I'm taking a compliment She's putting that as some sort of innuendo. I'm taking the compliment. But she meant that, really. Wow. Yeah. It's really quick, isn't it? He's great at that. I assume you also ejaculate quickly, just from looking at you. It's a judgment I've made. I'm here for a good time, not a long time. Makes sense. But also, yeah, thank you so much to Joe's wife and I like you very much too, Joe's wife.

6:02But why are you nervous? Well, I mean, mainly because of this now. But the reason I'm nervous is because we've got someone who is just from such a different world, to I think both of us. This is a man whose life is all about discipline. Discipline, yeah. It is Foxy, as his friends call him, or as I'll be calling him, Sir. It's Jason Fox off of SAS Who Dares Wins. Jason Fox. Former Special Forces Jason Fox. Serious bit of kit. He's a serious bit of kit. and I'm feeling the nerves as much as you are. I'm feeling the nerves because what have we got to offer them? I know. What am I going to ask him?

6:40All I want to ask him, which I'm obviously hoping that neither of us succumb to doing, is obviously he's a commando. Does he go commando? You want to ask him whether he wears pants or not? I want to know if commandos have to go commando. Is that so wrong to ask? You want me to master up the courage to ask him whether he's got pants on or not? just picture yourself in a few weeks time reminiscing about having Jason Fox one of the most famous Royal Marines commandos ever yeah and thinking god I didn't actually clear up where the commandos have to go commando and whether that's linked you'll be kicking yourself you'll be absolutely kicking yourself right I'm not asking that mate I am going to put five pounds on the fact that you just won't be able to help yourself get it ready boy I'm on to you we're not sponsored it's just cashless society I want to know whether it's actually as hard as it's made out like you know does the SAS who dares wins yeah and they're like oh this is as close as it gets to actually being in the SAS and Marines and the Forces all that lot is it or is it just all a show for telly I'm hoping it's basically like being in the SAS except Gareth Gates is sometimes knocking about right because you see it is gruelling stuff why Gareth Gates Well, he did it, didn't he?

8:00He won, he won. He won it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking hell. Yeah. You've got to remember it that way around. Second in Pop Idol, first in SAS. There's not a rhyme, but there should be, just to work out which way it goes. And who beat him in Pop Idol? Oh, come on. Come on, have a go. Make it evergreen. First time we've ever harmonised. Amazing. Will Young. Will Young. What a man. What a man. What a man. I'm gonna take this moment Make it last forever I'm gonna take my heart away And stay together Oh yeah You're the one good reason You're the only girl I need I'm gonna take this life Make it evergreen Thank you I think that's what we do with Foxy like I said I don't think we've got a lot in common with Jason Fox no let's bring him to our level do you know what you should ask him what his favourite karaoke song is see if we can see if we can get a little singalong going with him okay put that in the mix as a little bet we can try and do I'll tell you what I'll do more than that I'll put it in my pipe and I'll smoke it for you if you can get Jason Fox doing a singalong of a karaoke song blissful What if I don't know the song?

9:25Well, then you can just sit there looking grumpy like you always do. Sorry, sorry. I don't know what's wrong with me. We go from harmonising quite literally to then me just doing little barbs. Sorry about that. It was out of order. I think what we're doing now is procrastinating and avoiding the actual task in hand. Which is exactly the opposite of the whole SAS mantra. Call Janet, tell him, come in here, do it. Yeah, you're right. Do it. I'm going to do it. Janet sent Jason Fox in immediately, if not sooner. Over.

9:58Jason Fox, everybody. Oh, wow. Here he is. Hi, hi, hi. Welcome. Thanks very much. Thanks for fitting me in. You okay? Yeah, I think so. Thanks very much. Oh, sorry. I forgot about Jake. Jake. Jason. Jason. Sir, lovely to meet you. Very nice to meet you. Assistant to the doctor, or as they say in the forces, fella. Yeah, this will be a lot of us trying to say stuff we think is in the forces. No, that's not... Isn't he more of a second in command? The two IC. Oh, I like that. I'll have a bit of that. I'll absolutely have a bit of that, please. If he likes it, no. That's a no. Sorry. That's a straight no.

10:41No, no, I got it wrong. He's my fella. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'm good. How are you? I'm good, thanks. Yeah, very good. Thank you for coming. No, I appreciate it. My question is saluting. Yeah. Is it right if I salute people? Yeah, there's an emoji that salutes, so I reckon you're good to go. Jason, Mr Fox, Foxy, what do you want? Whatever you're comfortable with, I'm easy. No, it's about you. Well, I've been called Foxy ever since I was nought. The whole family is called Foxy, so I'm easy with it. Foxy is them. Every client slash guest that comes on does an intake questionnaire. Oh. Would you like to begin?

11:18Yeah, I would love to begin, yeah. Full name? Jason Carl Fox, with a C. Occupation? Ooh. Tricky one, early doors. It is, actually, yeah. Media consultant. Okay. Shall we delve into that one? I don't know. I don't really know. But I do get confused with that now, because I don't really know what I do. I do lots of different things, I suppose. How does TV personality sit with you? Oh, it doesn't, does it? I don't think I am, though. How many years have you been on TV for? This will be 11. Right. So it's quite a stint, I suppose. So you're a TV personality? I mean, yeah, it would apply. It's quite broad, isn't it?

12:07It encapsulates a lot of people. But the media consultant is quite specific. In my mind, it is. Okay. Previous military rank? Sergeant. War. What is it good for? I don't think it is good for an awful lot, to be fair. No, how can we always... It makes a lot of money, apparently. For few people. Not for me. Or the people I worked with. Okay. Proudest achievement? Overcoming my stint with mental health. Strong. Riskiest thing you've ever done. Without going into too much detail, I went on a job. The odds were stacked against us. Within 20 seconds of being somewhere, one of the lads got killed. Fucking hell.

13:00And about 20 minutes into it, we got informed that we were basically surrounded by about what they estimated to be 200 insurgents. There was only a few of us. So that's the one. Whenever anyone says what's the riskiest thing, I'd say that was. What's one thing you never leave the house without? A torch. Oh, really? Yeah. In London, I travel around a fair bit. I'm on the tube a lot. I'm always sort of aware that something could go wrong. I've got light at hand. And also, if someone's being a twat, you can dazzle them and fucking take a little bit of edge off their twat-ishness. I love the idea of getting in a fight with Jason Fox and he's just flashing you.

13:42Flashing you. Take a minute out, you bastard. What's your go-to karaoke song? It is John Denver, Country Roads, Take Me Home. Do a place. I haven't heard that one. Have you not? West Virginia, my road. Take me home, Country Road. Country Road. Wow. Take me home To a place I belong West Virginia That's my road Take me home Country road Man United fan, are you? No. But that's a Man United song. That's what you've taken from that beautiful man. Nah, nah, nah. Foxy's just opened his heart and soul out to you. Talked about a thing that brings in pure joy. and you've said, right, United fan, are you?

14:42I didn't even know that that was a Man United... It's a Man United song, isn't it? No, it's John Denver's. He died. I would say of all the intake forms we've ever had, the light and shade on this one is like nothing I've ever experienced before. Do you consent to being analysed by someone who's not a real doctor? Yeah, I do, yeah. Oh, it was the speed. You really jumped to that. That's really, really kind.

15:10I need to do a bit of further analysis on your relationship with Risk. Okay. First of all, have you played Risk? Do you know what? I haven't. Isn't that the game? It's like a... Invasion. It's war, isn't it? Yeah. Risk. You risk it all for world domination. I'm not too bothered about world dom. Okay. But your mantra is, who dares wins. I can't help but disagree. My mantra is exercise caution and you'll get your portion. Yes, it is food orientated as much of my life. With you, there's risk everywhere I look. Even your tour that you've got coming up is called Embrace the Chaos. Yeah, I know. What's this tour about?

16:02Well, life's chaotic. We can't control that, I don't think. So we should embrace it. And how do we do that? How do we deal with things that are sometimes out of our control? It's not about dealing with them as such. It's more about managing the after effects. So it's more about that. It's just me telling a few stories, essentially. Research here says that's not what you wanted to call it originally. No. I wanted to... We went round the bazaars with this name and that I personally wanted to call it Remember You Will Die. And apparently it's a little bit negative in its look. That's harsh, isn't it, Jake?

16:45It's quite harsh because... I mean, it's factually correct. It's intense. I mean, especially if that is all in bold, impact font, Remember You Will Die. But there's a positive spin you can see on it, I suppose, as well. Yeah, as in you're going to die, You might as well fill the days that you have with good shit. Yeah. Yeah. And have a bit of fun. With some risk. With a bit of risk. Calculate, calculate. Okay, so with this in mind, I want to teach you the benefits of being cautious. And I know straight, I can see it in your face. You go, oh, fucking hell. I know what you say. One day we're going to die, but it doesn't have to be now.

17:27No, I wouldn't want it to be now. No, let's extend it a little bit by, you know, exercising a little bit of caution. When you cross the street, do you do it with your eyes closed? No. Exactly. So you're learning.

17:45What do you hope to get from today's session? I hope that I've come away from this session being a little more cautious and a little less institutionalised. We can help with that, can't we? Well, I mean, it's the best answer we've ever had to that question, so yeah. But shit, if we didn't roll with it, I mean, that's brilliant. Right, let's start at the... Beginning. Thank you. I didn't know I had to do that, sorry. Start at the beginning. Beginning. With the riskiest thing that you're probably known for, and that was being in the Marines. In the Special Forces, I think, was more riskier for me.

18:33So I did 10 years in the Marines, which was, there was no real action seen by myself. Not through choice, just that's the way the cookie crumbled. And because of that, I was getting frustrated, so I decided to put in for my opportunity to do selection, which is the entry exam to get into the Special Forces. Do you miss it? I did. Oh, you did? Yeah, I did miss it. I left because of mental health, so it was cut short slightly, which still is a bit of pill. Was there no services available to you to help out with that or was it just not an environment for you to be able to struggle in that and then move forward with it?

19:22There was a psychological department within the medical centre on the base that I lived down. I knew something was going wrong and I knew something wasn't quite right because I'd lost my mojo for the job. I was like bored of it. And then I was supposed to be getting ready to go on another tour of duty, a thing that I loved, absolutely loved. And it felt like a dark cloud in the distance. And I was like, fuck. so I thought I need to address this because I'm responsible for people you know I'm supposed to be a ball of fire and you know encourage people to do stuff debrief them we were going and doing cool shit and it just wasn't it wasn't I was finding it frustrating and so I was like fucking I need to go and I need to go and see something so I went and presented under the cover of darkness slivered into this fucking department knocked on the door so I'm like in there saying look I've lost you don't know who I am blah blah blah I've lost I feel like I've lost my mojo can you give me a few words of encouragement so I can get it back and go out the door and obviously it's not like that even though I'd been the person that had gone and presented himself I didn't buy into the fact that there was an issue to address and so I didn't engage very well with the help that was there it was more of a token attempt I was like just fucking tell me tell me something that I can then go back out and do it again, then I was like, I ain't got a fucking problem.

20:47I just need to get rid of this feeling. But the ball had been set in motion for my career to end. And so I had to go with it to a certain degree. And then when I left, it really did spiral. And it wasn't fixing itself because I was bullshitting to myself about the fact that there was an issue. Did you have a sort of epiphany moment of, if I'm going to sort this, I need to approach the therapy and all that stuff differently. Yeah, so it spiralled out quite a considerable way and I was basically stood on top of a cliff. That was the epiphany moment when I was like, I either launch myself off and that's it or if I'm going to fucking stop this being an issue, what do I need to do?

21:31So the epiphany moment was we stood there like that fucking having an absolute meltdown and being like, oh, fuck yeah, I've been bullshitting to myself. Thank you for being so open, first of all, I know this is it is a semi-piss take on me being a pseudo-psychologist but it is also a really good way of opening up and having a conversation with all our guests and so I appreciate you sharing that even if there is a skeleton with a mohawk on it I'm just not it's not ideal for when you're opening up about this sort of stuff but I sort of regret the set dressing now you can deal with these things with light and dark light.

22:13You have to. Agreed. Otherwise, that's half the issue. That's half the battle. If you can't even talk about the darkness because of the feeling that it makes you have, you're never going to do it. So then you just suffer in silence. Exactly. And the other thing is, the bit that gets me is, my mechanism of potential suicide wasn't great because I chose a cliff and I fucking hate heights. So it was kind of, maybe I wasn't so serious. So you were never going to do it. I don't know. I don't know yeah exactly but what made you stay for me when I've had my demons and been at my darkest moment it was like I go I'm a worthless piece of shit I'm not going to have any influence or help for anyone else they're all better off without me and it was in that moment that I have actually my kids and my wife will be worse way worse off without me even though I feel like they'd be better off and I couldn't do it to them that was my epiphany I think it's not dissimilar but it was more than not giving up on those people that was the thing I was think kind of thinking hang on a minute this is a fucking this is a give up and I'm not I've not done that before you know I've found things difficult before and I've taken a while to get things done and you know whether it's been in the military or anything else you know things don't just happen but this is just me giving up.

23:42Wow.

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25:12Now lime comes first. 7up. Flip the sip. Just taking a quick break to thank Giacomo for sponsoring this episode. Whatever look you're into, they've got something for everyone with more brands than you can shake a stethoscope at. You've learnt a doctor word there, which is good. Stethoscope. Oh, I see. I see. I'm just enjoying the doctor cosplay. It's very nice. Well, I can pull it off. I can say stethoscope. Yes. So I can pull it off. You elected not to on that occasion. Yes. But we all know you can. I can place a stethoscope around my neck. Do you like a bit of cosplay? Cosplay. Cosplay. Cosplay.

25:54Costume play. Is that what cosplay means? I think costume play, yeah. Costume play. So playing around with the idea of costume and things like that. Did you still dress up? When you were a kid, were you playing like cops and robbers? What were you sort of like pretending to be? A woman. Okay. I used to dress up as a woman a lot. Did you really? Yeah. What sort of clothes? Whose clothes? Barbara Streisand. Wow. Yeah, I'd dress up as her. Whose clothes were you wearing? Your mum's? No, just like a towel. I'd put a towel on as like a dress around me. And then I'd get another towel. It was actually quite a lot of towel playing.

26:27How old were you? Well, it was over some time. It was from like eight all the way up to like a bit older. Yeah, that upper sort of range is where we're sort of losing you. Like 14, 15. 14, 15? So we only ever had a bath. We never had a shower as well. I don't know how that's excused any of it. So we'd have a bath. I'd have a bath. I used to wear my mum's knickers, but obviously we grew up in a bathhouse. Bath? So I'd have a bath. I'd get out of the bath and say it was a night that I'd washed my hair. I'd put a towel around my head and then twist it and put it up as like to keep my hair dry as if I had long hair.

27:13Wow. So that would make me feel quite feminine and then I'd put a towel around my body like a dress and then I'd sing Barbra Streisand songs. When it stopped did you start dressing up as anything else? I've done Belle from Beauty and the Beast. Wow. Decent at that one. Really cool. I like committing. Because you would have thought you'd be going up for Beast. Why? No, just because, you know, you're a big airy bloke, aren't you? Yeah. So, I don't know, if they were casting to type, it would be like, oh, should we cast him as Belle or Beast? I mean, obviously, with the sort of circumference of the thighs, we might go Beast, but there is a sort of feminine quality that goes Belle, we'll go Beast.

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28:30I've had a bit of a sort of like awakening as to what rugby banter is, getting to know Joe, becoming pals. Well, you know, it's an insight, isn't it? But I imagined that in the army, the banter, the practical jokes, all that sort of stuff, it must be rugby stuff turned up to 11, is it not? No, it's the same. Is it the same? Can you remember any sort of, some of the stuff that used to happen? For example, one of my teammates shit in some cling film, wrapped it up, froze it, and then the next day put it back up his arse. That's just an example. Okay, so... And that's not me asking, Joe, for an example.