Borderlands 4 is Having a Rough Launch - Kinda Funny Games Daily 09.12.25

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1:40Andy Cortez:Today, in the nerdy news you need to know about, PC gamers are not happy with Borderlands 4, and if you ask me, probably soap.

1:52Andy Cortez:PC gamers. Am I right? I'm trying to keep a straight face. Nial Druckmann gives an update on intergalactic in battlefield. Six is battle royale is finally revealed. We'll have all this in more because this is kind of funny games daily greg. Where do you, where are you playing? Most of your games on? Like, I mean, like I mean, where did you play Borderlands? I played it on Razer Blade 16. Okay. That's a personal computer. Well, yeah, it's a gaming laptop. And I've been using, you know, what you're driving at is, yes, I play a lot of things on my ROG Ally X because I love that. But what I, it's very simple.

2:34Andy Cortez:If it's portable, it's a Vita 2. It's part of the Vita 2. Andy, I'm going to need you to sniff this man, see if he's been near soap lately. I will let you know, I almost walked out of the house not brushing my teeth today. Now, granted, was it 445 in the fucking morning? Yes. but I ran back and brushed my teeth. What's up, everybody? Welcome to Kind of Funny Games Daily for Friday, September 12th. And Steam is very cool. I say this all the time. Xbox Game. Yeah, I'm going to need you to sniff this man. I'm just saying there's good deals out there, too. I was playing a point-and-click adventure last night.

3:04Andy Cortez:Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Games Daily. I'm one of your hosts, Greg Miller, alongside the Hispanic heartthrob Texas treat Latino heat, clicking heads and ripping them to shreds, the globe-trotting, head-shotting, three-point-shooting, rootin', tootin', nitro rifle, from twitch.tv Andy Cortez. I'll tell you what right now. If I stepped on a basketball court three-point contest against Roger, I would give him... I would spot him 80 of the 100 three-pointers. And I would still beat him. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah, but I mean, Roger. Rhythm. You know what I mean? He thinks he's going to be better than me by August of next year.

3:38That's his promise. Oh, okay. He's like, in a year, I'm going to challenge you.

3:41Andy Cortez:Has he seen you? Because you're really good at shooting three-pointers. But I don't know if he's actually seen himself either. Oh, that's the hard part of that. Yeah. I mean, he saw himself try to skip that one time. Lack of motor skills. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really shocking. Andy, how are you feeling? It's 8.48 a.m. as we record this. That is roughly an hour before we usually go live. We, of course, have already reacted to the 6 a.m. Nintendo Direct. We've already done a post-show review Gamescast. Are you tired yet? No, I feel good, man. I mean, a lot of it comes down to going to bed early, you know?

4:12Yeah, what time did you go to bed? I went to bed like around 9.50 or 10. Holy shit, yeah, okay, that's early. I was really, really kind of early in there. So, yeah, I woke up feeling good. It was one of those things, though, where I underestimated how long the trip to work actually is. Because I was like, I should be fine. There's no traffic. But it really felt like the Nintendo gods are like every red light. You get every red light. You made it, though. I feel great, though. I'm feeling awesome. Yeah.

4:37Andy Cortez:When I got up, I felt it. I was like, oh, there it is. There it is. But you have a kid. Yeah. Well, no, I mean, I think that makes me impervious to think. I think it was just the games has post show. I usually get to be like you. I'm a bump on a log. What do you want to know, Tim? I can throw some shit. But this one, I was driving it, keeping going. And I was still doing my other job where I, I read the little press release blurbs. I get, you know what I mean? Yeah. God forbid Tim get up for this. God forbid. Where is he? He's a monster. I don't know. Terrified. Of course, if you want our full reaction, you can get it on your games cast feed, whether that be youtube.com slash kind of funny games under the live tab.

5:11Andy Cortez:Some people get very confused under the live tab or over on your Spotify Apple or other podcast feeds you can get it there remember of course that this is Kinda Funny Games Daily each and every weekday we run you through the nerdy news you need to know about live on twitch.tv slash kinda funny games youtube.com slash kinda funny games and podcast services around the globe if you love what we do pick up a kinda funny membership patreon.com slash kinda funny youtube.com slash kinda funny games apple or spotify you give us$10 and we give you 80 episodes of ad free content a month and of course your daily dose of me Greg Miller in a series we call Gregway which is usually 15 to 20 minutes of me yakking at you about hey what's going on here's what's happening blah blah blah did I do it today no do we have a special guest yes you'll hear about it in a second of course if you're watching live you have a special job keep us honest by going to condo funny.com slash you're wrong tell us what we screw up as we screw it up and of course YouTube super chat to be part of the show just like neon did there's more there but it's cut off and sometimes it flips out when I try to expand it no neon Mariah good day from sydney australia lads i'm moving this weekend and i have so many action figures in lego need all the positive vibes love you all oh gosh are they are they in danger of like breaking and falling we're sending our vibes we're sending positive vibes audio listeners we're holding our hands up we were vibes i don't think it's so much in terms of well i mean legos i guess whatever it's more like there's a lot of shit to move gotta be careful with it yeah but moving an action figure that won't break apart into a million pieces a lot less but it's more like You have them on the stand.

6:41Andy Cortez:You don't have the boxes anymore. You're wrapping them in tissue, putting them in there, I assume. It just seems like a nightmare. Yeah, it sucks. For Lego stuff. Yeah, I'm sorry. Well, Lego is breaking up through the box. I mean, but. No, I know, I know. Yeah. Of course, remember, we are an 11-person small business all about live talk shows. You already got our Nintendo reaction to review what? Shaggy Sasquatch. Is this Tim in Mexico? Is that why we're not talking about it? What happened? We don't know where he is. He's on assignment. Tim is on assignment. You'll hear about it soon enough. Uh, we already got the games cast.

7:12Andy Cortez:Go watch that. Go listen to it. Get the things there. Then the stream after this is going to be the one, the only blessing at a O. Yay. Junior jumping into that new donkey Kong DLC that shadow dropped today during the direct. So get out there. If you're a kind of funny member, today's Greg way is yet another two in one week. It is a nother cool. Greg video game review. Nice. Cool. Greg is reviewing gloomy eyes with Roger today. And I'm very excited to hear about that. Thank you to our Patreon producers Carl Jacobs And Delaney Twining Today we're brought to you by ShadyRaisinFactor Hold on, what's after Let's play Donkey Kong This is the problem With letting Roger build the show He just ignores the housekeeping channel After Donkey Kong DLC stream You can come to youtube.com Slash kindoffunnygames For the YouTube premiere Of the entire Hollow Knight Silksong Marathon Hey Barry, click the edit video in uppercase that E that's going to drive me crazy an entire uh people love that no no love that i'm also going to update the game to silksong and not the original hollow night it's the game's called hollow night silksong yeah but he's talking about the browse game but the browse game it says but that's just you put it in the hollow that's an auto pull that's an auto yeah don't get mad at him by that don't get mad at this kid no people love lowercase in titles look at look if we want to be big and popular and famous like a lot of SEO who she claims i'm her rival who a lot of pierce says that i'm her rival which is like a great honor for me but like that's like saying the 90s cowboys and the bills are rivals because the bills lost three times you know what i mean like there's no rivalry there when we look at every one of her videos pierce a lot of peers has 300 000 views on every video never a capital letter to be seen i challenge you to go look for one but like if she's doing all lowercase that's fine you uppercase everything except entire because it's not a proper noun.

9:09I fixed it. Thank you. Nobody's going to watch it anymore.

9:13Andy Cortez:I mean, if you want to, here's what I'm saying. If we want to do the Alana method, go in there, lowercase everything. I'm fine. People see that and go, wow, this company must be very relaxed. They're like, wow, they're in such a hurry to get this. This is like breaking news content. That's how they got it up there. By the way, it's a 26-hour marathon video from the last two days of me streaming. It's both days combined into one. so uh sit uh sit back and relax over the weekend after blessing plays donkey kong driving for a long marathon stream again the cool thing about these youtube premieres is you can rewind and go back to whatever moments you want to watch and you can go see all the the stunning stuff that happens including now that you know mike and roger may be going to a food truck and maybe asking the dude there to flip food into their mouths they do it i hate this i hate it all you crush it that's great that's that's i bet it's going to do better because of that thank you you on him.

10:02Andy Cortez:Looks good. Thank you to our Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs and Delaney Twining. Today we're brought to you by Shady Raisin Factor. We'll tell you about that later. For now, let's begin the show with what is and forever will be the Roper Report. Time for some news. Five items on the Roper Report. A Baker's Dozen! Number 1A. Roger has done a 1A and at least a 1B Borderlands 4 is getting clobbered on Steam with negative reviews this is Blair Marnell at GameSpot I've been up for a long time I'm sorry everybody I've been talking even longer Borderlands 4 has been one of the most anticipated games of the year it launched on Steam earlier this week with over 175 ,000 concurrent players note from Roger the all-time Steam peak is now 207 ,479 as of 12 hours ago, the highest all-time peak for any Borderlands game.

11:04Andy Cortez:Back to Blair. However, the game's negative reviews on Steam are also piling up, and the most common complaints come down to Borderlands 4's poor performance on PC. Steam user Satan Claws

11:20Andy Cortez:We've been up too long to be listening to Satan Claws calls Borderlands 4, quote, the unholy trio of pricing, Unreal Engine 5, and Denuvo. What is that? Denuvo? I have no idea what that is. Although Satan Claws calls the title, quote, the best Borderlands since 2, end quote. Anti-cheat piracy software. With praise for the writing, gunplay, and world, he added that none of that, quote, none of that matters when you can't play for more than 10 minutes without a hitch, a crash, or your frames falling off a cliff. It's like locking a gourmet meal behind a glass case and handing us a plastic fork. end quote rage cited but borderlands 4's terrible optimization and noted that it's quote not worth buying in its current state unless you have a nasa pc end quote nate left a positive review i misread this and i thought the next sentence was nasa left a positive review nate left a positive review but still feels he needs to mention that quote it is it really is frustrating even even me with a 4070 ti super can barely get 60 frames with upscaling this is a cartoon game fix optimization with a few updates and i think it could be really good but wow this may be some of the worst optimization ever end quote time period notes that quote the pc version is nearly unplayable within 7900 xtx and and ryzen 7 9800 x3d eight core cpu at lowest settings on 1080p i am getting stutters and screen tears constantly do not buy until these issues are fixed end quote gearbox has responded to a handful of negative reviews with links for optimizing nvidia card graphic settings and a pc troubleshooting guide it's also worth noting that there are a lot of positive reviews for borderlands 4 on steam as well and the game currently has a mixed review rating the pc specs for borderlands 4 were re-shared earlier this week with recommendation settings and minimum requirements game spot's borderlands 4 review scored the game at 7 out of 10 on pc and described it as quote the most mechanically sound borderlands game to date end quote the game is out now for xbox playstation and pc but switch to owners will have to wait until october 3rd to get their hands on it andy hey greg of course pc codes were the only ones provided for us um snow bike mike talked a little bit about this in the review we didn't beat it over the dead horse because of the amount of updates and patches this game got during reviews but it was at one time running horribly for all of us patches did get it up to running fine however this in this is funny if you watch the thing and i was like it's not an ad i was using the razor uh blade 16 with a 50 90 in it a beefy gaming laptop right and the most common refrain in the office was greg that that sounds like it's about to take the fuck off because that computer was constantly and it's like i don't know shit about gaming pc so please step in if i'm wrong i don't blame the pc because other things i've played on it don't sound like that in our quiet borderlands 4 you had to sit down and tweak stuff and work on it and all this different stuff and mike was still barely okay yeah you know that that's kind of one of the main problems we've seen where we had a not great stream yesterday that was immediately kind of cut off after we realized what was happening uh on the pc i was gonna say run me through that because we've tried the i've seen kevin and barrett be like slam their head against the wall for weeks now trying to get borderlands to run in the lab yeah it's the type of game i can tell already that is it doesn't really seem like whatever machine you have is going to help out the situation a whole lot it even seems like the type of game where it doesn't really matter a whole lot of what settings you're doing you could drop shit to low or to high and you're going to get maybe from 48 frames to 59 sort of like that's kind of the range we're seeing the nice thing about tech like nvidia and stuff that amd does with you know their up sampling and things like that you have frame generation on dlss4 which adds frames which is nice those aren't real frames but it does make the gameplay smoother however you never want that to be a band-aid solution and i do worry that devs nowadays are maybe rushing games out and then going all right the band-aid will maybe cure for now and then we'll try to update the game and you know as best as possible until then but yeah it does seem like it's just really really bad optimization in moments where i'm i have a 4090 uh gpu with a core i9 very very good cpu and it is still not doing great performance wise you know i can't really go much higher than 70 frames per second in certain spots unless i am doing all the the nvidia sort of bells and whistles and i i think a lot of it just comes down to i you know It reminds me of when I played Returnal with Blessing on PC for the first time.

16:08Andy Cortez:Okay. When it came to PC. And when he joined my party, suddenly it was like, oh, now the game's not running great. And I wonder if the online nature of it is maybe messing with it. But a lot of it definitely has to do, in my opinion, with just optimization and how many games we've seen struggle with Unreal Engine 5. And then you have people at Epic and people working on Unreal going, it just requires more optimization. and you just kind of got to give it more love, which is not great because games cost a lot of money and take a lot of time to get made. And, you know, we'll eventually get to a spot where maybe these Unreal Engine 5 games are shipping and launching a bit more smoothly, but this seems to be just another drop in the bucket of here's another one, another bad Unreal Engine 5 launch game.

16:58Andy Cortez:Yeah. Well, that sucks. Yeah. Again, like, you know, we reviewed it here, obviously check out that games cast from yesterday uh you know mike's having fun with it i but not a lot of it's up and down but i know metacritic and so many other reviews out there are really really enjoying it so the fact that it's just getting hammered my question as someone who obviously pc games more than ever but is a console guy at heart like i really wonder what the performance is on xbox is on playstation like we were not provided those for review until last night we got codes after the fact but i've been on to something else i can't and then the switch version if that's going to even be fucking worried or if it's just a pc problem with so many configurations it does seem like there seems to be a lot of it seems like a very cpu heavy game as well yeah which is always worrisome because you know that no matter how powerful my gpu is that i spent so many so much money on yeah it can't out horsepower the the the sort of core of the problem here and there are there are plenty of times as we were kind of testing out streams yesterday running into new zones and you would see the cpu spike to 100 uh percent usage and there would be gigantic stutters and that's why we're having our streaming problems yesterday because you know obs is also trying to use the cpu and all this stuff so it's like really hard to get that all working yeah fast traveling you know i asked mike mike how do i fast travel and get out of this area that i'm in right now and he showed me how to fast travel back to the main hub and then had to recompile shaders and it's like whoa this just doesn't seem as prepared as I thought it should be for a launch speaking of Resolute Super Chats and says I am struggling to play Borderlands 4 due to motion sickness from no FOV slider friend friend I wanted to play with had a refund due to performance I have a plat in every Borderlands game and this is really disappointing no console FOV slider that that does stink hopefully that's something you could see get added something I meant to bring up but you know we got all over the place yesterday and i of course am not an accessibility expert but i thought the accessibility settings in borderlands were laughable like for 2025 to have a section called accessibility and go in there and for it to be as bare bones as it was because i was having trouble of like some of the stuff with enemies i was like god i could really go for a border around the enemies so i could see right where they and like that's not even remotely there i was like you know do colors for what they just change the colors of things on maps and whatever like that's not really what we're talking about here yeah the the cell shade of nature doesn't lend itself great to visibility things do get kind of noisy in some spots let's stick with this borderland stuff for story number 1b borderlands 4 developer gearbox insists it game its games do not use spyware amid concerns about take two terms of service this is vicky blake at ign.com gearbox has issued a statement in response to claims borderland for borders lands 4 uses spyware amid renewed concern over a parrot company take twos terms of service after a similar whoa look at this look at this noun furor furor oh furor no that's not give me her huh fur furor is a british uh spelling of furor it means a public uproar commotion or intense excitement bubble up in june uh the company reiterated that while it understands there has been some concern about take twos terms of service It stressed that, quote, maintaining transparency and confidence with the community here is always our goal, and we wanted to address some of these concerns.

20:25Andy Cortez:Take-Two does not use spyware in its games, the statement began. Take-Two's privacy and policy applies to all labels, studios, games, and services across all media and platform types such as console, PC, mobile app, and website. The privacy policy identifies the data activities that may be collected, but this does not mean that every example is collected in each game or service. Take-Two provides this information to ensure transparency for players as well as to comply with legal obligations, Gearbox insisted. Quote, for example, player and device identifiers are collected in part to ensure the game is compatible with each player's media, platform, or website browser type, it continued.

21:05Andy Cortez:It allows us to better understand how players play games and to personalize the user experience, parentheses, like having usernames show up. Account credentials are collected from users who choose to create accounts with Take-Two and its labels, end quote. The statement also touched upon, quote, abusive mods, which seems to be a catch-all term for hacks, cheats, or exploits. Consequently, Take-Two's terms of service, quote, prohibit mods that allow users to gain an unfair advantage, negatively impact the ability of others to enjoy games as they intend or allow users to gain access to content that the user is not entitled to.

21:40Andy Cortez:We do this to protect the integrity of the game experience for all users. Take-Two generally does not seek to take action against mods that are single-player only, non-commercial, and respect the intellectual property rights of its labels and third parties. End quote. You're not going to see any Beavis and Butthead running around this world. Oh, no. That's what I wanted. Andy, were you concerned about your privacy? No, not at all. I never am, Greg. But there generally have been problems with a lot of anti-cheat softwares messing with how the games can run. Yeah. And, yeah, I hadn't even considered something like an anti-piracy.

22:19I said anti-cheat. I'm in anti-piracy that this Denuvo anti-piracy software could possibly be ruining some people's, you know, performance and adding extra hitches where there shouldn't be. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a lot of this stuff is kind of, it just seems like it's to be expected nowadays. And it's more of a surprise whenever, whenever things come out and are performing better. Very, very odd.

22:46Andy Cortez:Resolute says this was in the super chat. This was added to all old games and has been criticized for months. And to my knowledge, this is the first time 2K slash Gearbox has spoken about it. Now, do they mean all old Borderlands games? I think they, well, Resolute, you can clarify if you want. I assume you meant all old 2K games since this is a 2K policy. Right. I would also love to see, I'm trying to find the actual article because I want to see what in the privacy policy, like what in the verbiage is making people think this as well. resolute uh does say yes borderlands what i would love to see is some modders give you similar to what we did with elden ring uh the when we played elden ring seamless or whatever sure where you you aren't using their servers because you're playing online with like mods and hacks you know uh elden ring doesn't like that similar to uh what 2k is doing here with borderlands were saying well we don't want to make the experience worse for other people online so you kind of join your own little lobbies i would love to see if maybe anything like that helps the experience for people i think back to when dragons dogma 2 came out and how not great that ran on pc and then mods would help the experience and you know allow the game to kind of circumvent certain you know walls that are put up to perform certain tasks but also add to bad performance i wonder if anything like that can happen in the future we will have to wait and see alongside these patches to see how they do to make everything run but while we wait for that the one the only kebabs breaks in with breaking news uh sends us to blue sky where and i i've seen this this is the pokemon site what is it serbe is that how you say serbe it's the japanese pronunciation for celebi the pokemon name celebi thank you yeah uh serbe uh blue skies that's bs to him an update that says there'll be update pokemon sent to pokemon legend za will no longer be able to be used in prior pokemon games pokemon from legend za will also not be able to be deposited in other pokemon games huh oh this is the end of the line for your pokemon if you throw them in here rest in peace pokemon home i feel like i've been waiting for this day for a while like this always felt like an inevitability there's all you're cheating by bringing in pokemon Well, no, I just always felt like you can't keep this up.

25:13You can't possibly, as a company, keep up all of this. Or maybe they can, and maybe this is just a way, Barrett, to start home to, or I don't know what the hell. But it just always felt like you're doing a lot here to try to make all of these games cross-compatible with the Pokemon going to. And this just felt like, when will it end, you know?

25:32Andy Cortez:So, as you know, I'm the new generation of Pokemon fans. Of course you are. Okay? I'm the new generation of Pokemon reviewers. So I understand all of this to a level. But I'm going to say what I know. You tell me where I'm right, where I'm wrong, all right? The idea here is right now I got this Altaria, right? Level 100, savior of Pokemon Violet for me. Oh, really? Congratulations. Oh, I thought you were on this Gamescast with me. I'm sorry. No. I do. So now I can send her to home and I can bring her into. Let's just remove this breaking news right now. I can bring her into the next Pokemon game and she'll be a level 100 or she just, I just have her.

26:13I forget how that works. I've never tried it. I just know that they're transferable.

26:16Andy Cortez:And so the idea is then I'm doing this so that in the next game I can pick up my Pokedex and continue to fill in what I haven't caught. Pokemon Home is a cloud-based service designed as a place where all your Pokemon can gather. Manage your Pokemon. You can bring Pokemon that have appeared in a Pokemon Core game series to Pokemon Home. so this is again the new generation we're not like you old pokeheads all right we're new pokeheads i wait here you know in this new generation we can't afford homes the pokemon lease i i just i don't this is gonna sound goofy i guess i don't get the draw of that when i start a new pokemon game i want to get my starter and start from start from the bottom now we're here right i want to build a team and have a new thing and yada yada like i think a lot of it comes down to maybe people doing competitive type stuff okay i did see a comment in the switch chat that may have been enlightening in a way that i would love some more deep dive into where they said pokemon champions is ruining everything and pokemon champions is that just kind of stadium looking versus game and yeah i've again this is it's never drawn me because i'm the type of person where every new game is a new adventure yeah but I'm not the type of person who has poured hours and hours and hours into the IVs and making sure that, you know, its nature is bold and I'm trying to make it stronger and faster or whatever.

27:41I've never been that type of gamer. You and I are very similar. We play it as an RPG. Yeah, exactly. I'm not competitively going from game to game.

27:51Andy Cortez:Melkian Voth says, Greg, it's like a pet you've had for 20 years and now they're telling you it's dead. Well, no, you can bring it to ZA, but if you bring it to ZA, it's locked into ZA. And the line, yeah. Maybe you just come to ZA, you'd be an adult like me and the new generation Pokemon fans. We battle in the streets with who we find. Corey Cudney says, oh, didn't they get rid of EVs slash IVs in this one? Maybe that's why. Maybe. Oh. I'd like to think that you bring it into Pokemon Z to A, and then that Pokemon's like, alright, when do I go home? And you're like, oh, man, I got bad news to tell you.

28:26Andy Cortez:Maybe what's really happening families over there. Well, I guess that wouldn't happen with the transfers back and forth. I was going to say maybe what's really happening is Gen 10 is going to be so crazy that this is it. Starting fresh. Wow. Or Gen 10 has everything, so you don't need a transfer. Everything is here. The first Pokemon game built from the ground up with the Switch 2 in mind. Think about it. I think about it. I get pretty excited about it. I'd love to see it happen. Those textures will be less tiled and repeated. Oh, come on. Don't get your hopes up too much. I have my hopes up and my excitement up for a little game called intergalactic the heretic prophecy but i want to talk about that after i remind you about kind of funny membership options patreon.com slash kind of funny youtube.com slash kind of funny games apple and spotify you can be a kind of funny member you can get all of our shows ad free you can support an 11 person small business you can get your daily dose of me in a series we call greg way but right now you're not using your benefits so here's a word from our sponsors this episode's brought to you by shady rays You know that moment.

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