Epic Lays Off 1,000 People Amid Fortnite Downturn - Kinda Funny Games Daily 03.24.26

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1:33if you want to get our shows ad-free and our exclusive shows go to patreon.com slash kind of funny today's gaming news stories include epic games cuts over 1 000 employees Nintendo cuts Switch 2 output by over 30%, and Crimson Desert reaches another sales milestone. We'll have all this and more because this is Kind of Funny Games Daily.

2:02Hello gamers, welcome to Kind of Funny Games Daily for Tuesday, March 24th, 2026. I am Andy Cortez, and I am joined by Blessing Adioye Jr. Good day, Andy. Hello, good morning, Blessing. We were talking about some basketball a while ago. Saw a really, really bad injury from Moses Moody. Prayers up to Moses Moody and all his family. Just a really, don't look it up if you get kind of queasy when it comes to injuries. Not a great one to look at. You show me the video and legitimately I let out like a, oh. Oh, yeah. It's really, really rough. Unfortunate stuff. But Spurs did beat the Heat last night.

2:35Let's just talk about sports because there's nothing good happening in the gaming world. I'm not invested, but I'm happy for you. Or the world. But Spurs got, I mean, just dominant. when be 26 points in 26 minutes i mean god damn what's when b's outlook let's say four years from now are we talking about him like he's lebron you know what i mean like is he just the goat of the he's already there man man it's it's imagine being that it's crazy genetically gifted it's crazy dude like you just look up at this man and i'm like what is that the biggest that slender man the the the biggest thing is can he not get hurt that's the biggest thing he will get hurt tall dudes never ever farewell in the nba the tallest of the tall right seven five and up yeah i think wimby's i think he was seven four when he started and then reports where that he's grown because he was like 19 when he started or whatever so like he's he's getting up there but so far things are

3:28Blessing Adeoye Jr.:looking great go spurs go i'm i he told me that right like will he get hurt and i still suffer from the post-traumatic stress of being from illinois and derrick rose getting injured right right and him being like supposed to be the one he was supposed to be the guy i mean he got an mvp i don't know if he deserved it but he got an mvp yeah but he was our messiah it was one of those where it was like they got to give it to someone else but lebron you can't just always give it to lebron yeah derrick rose is one of those similar to steve nash taking it from uh shack and kobe steve nash winning mvp back in the day we talk about like you know right now being kind of like a sad time for for video game news and everything and ever in the world yeah um but i'm kind of in an exciting window where tell me i was looking up game releases because of course we're coming off of i'm free from the shackles of crimson desert even though i know everybody loves crimson desert right which is awesome that's great and they're doing updates that are fixing a lot of the things that i had problems with in the game and i'm like damn that's dope i don't know if i'm gonna go back to it anytime soon maybe later in the year we'll see but either way i'm free from the shackles i'm like wrapping up my um trying to complete screamer right doing all the submissions i didn't get around to during my my first run of it and i'm closing in on completing pokemon leaf green and so i'm in an interesting place where i've been seeing everybody picking up slay this buyer too and i've been purposely you haven't i've been purposely not picking it up because i know that that is like the exact type of game that'll take over my life but i think i'm finding a window where i might finally be able to get to it i'm excited about that i think it's time i think it's time i have no way this is true no that can't be true my no my hour count has to be off because i probably left it running on my steam deck or something like that it's like it says 70 hours there's no way i'm probably around like maybe 10 to 15 hours i'll say the spire too okay love it love it really really good very very fun has just an awesome loop and kind of everything that everybody's been talking about meugenics of just the you know the the variety in the build and the quality in the thing to make you happy about going, ooh, I think I just found a cool thing that might help out whatever.

5:34I just love a feeling like that. I love feeling like I am outsmarting the design game, even though it's designed to make you feel that way.

5:41Blessing Adeoye Jr.:And I'm scared that once I pick up Slay the Spire 2, I might never pick up Mugenics again. I love Mugenics, right? Such a good game. But it fills that slot for me right now of, oh, I need a roguelite that I can hop into, think about my builds. You're already eating pizza at Pizza Hut. Exactly. You're not trying to get pizza somewhere else. Yeah, it's like now you're going to take me to SquarePie, guys. I'm sitting at Pizza Hut right now. And so I'm kind of scared to hop on that bus. I have the garlic breadsticks here, you know? Yeah. God, those are so good. I hear the garlic breadsticks over there are kind of better.

6:13I mean, I don't know about that. No? Well, I mean, just like Pizza Huts are amazing. Well, no, I'm not. Oh, you're talking about Slate's Pie. No, I'm with you. Yeah, no. Got you. My bad. Pizza Hut is the goat. My bad. Don't get me wrong. We were back to game design. Sorry. I'm back to like, you know, the addictive nature of what Slate Spire 2 offers. I'll still think about pizza, man. What if we get pizza later? So freaking good. I mean, I mean, I might be done. It might be a, it might be a hot day. Remember everybody this, if you're watching live, be a part of the show by super chatting on youtube.com forward slash kind of funny games.

6:45We couldn't do this without our producers on patreon.com forward slash kind of funny. Remember if you want the things you love to stick around, Throw him a dollar every now and then, you know, because you never know. So thank you to our producers, Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster, and Delaney, the Psalm Twining. For now. Sorry, I just remembered that Roger owes me a pizza. Oh, Roger. Well, not yet. Here's the thing, right? We'll get into it a few stories from now. But Crimson Desert, he said that Crimson Desert will sell 10 million in a week, which I had to keep a poker face because I was like, there's no universe where Crimson Desert is going to sell 10 million.

7:21But I was like, you know what? I'll take you on that pizza bet, Roger. Yeah, let's see. Let's see if it's not selling 10 million. You were doing the thing where I almost picked Judas on my fantasy critic. You're like, that's a good pick, Andy. Pick that. I was like, no, I don't like this. I don't like what you're giving me right now. I think technically he might still have like two days or something like that. Oh, Roger. Pizza time. Just let's just cash it in now, Roger. Pizza time. For now, let's begin with what is and forever will be the Roper Report. It's time for some news. We have seven stories today.

7:53Baker's dozen!

7:58Story number one. Epic Games lays off over 1 ,000 people. We'll shut down Fortnite Rocket Racing. We'll shut down Fortnite Rocket Racing, Ballistic and Festival Battle Stage. This comes from Charles Hart at Game Informer. Fortnite Rocket Racing is all one word. Fortnite Rocket Racing. That's why I said it again, because I was like, I don't want you to think there's not a comma between Fortnite and Rocket Racing. Fortnite Rocket Racing. live epic games the company behind fortnite and epic games store is laying off over 1 000 employees the news dropped via a statement posted on the company's website signed by epics founder and ceo tim sweeney the announcement is also prefaced with the sentence this note was sent to epic employees today fortnite also posted an update to twitter stating that it will shut down three of fortnite's newer modes rocket racing ballistic and festival battle stage which is fortnite festivals pvp mode quote we've built a lot of fortnite modes and in some cases we failed to build something awesome enough to attract and retain a large player base end quote the post states rocket racing will be live until october 26 uh october 2026 while ballistic and festival battle stage will go offline april 16th with fortnite's 40.20 update presumably many of the workers will have been working in these departments.

9:16Sweeney's announcement cites, quote, downturn in Fortnite engagement as the primary reason for the layoffs, claiming that the decline began in 2025 and that the studio hasn't recovered since. It also blames broad industry-wide changes like slower growth and low console sales, as well as challenges unique to Epic, end quote, all of which generally have to do with constant Fortnite updates on console, PC and mobile platforms. Notably, the message does not say the company plans to replace workers with AI. Quote, since it's a thing now, I should note that the layoffs aren't related to AI. Tim Sweeney writes, to the extent it improves productivity, we want to have as many awesome developers developing great content and tech as we can.

9:59Thank you for the article, Charles Hart. Thank you for the work. And in other news, you wrote here that the new Peak Skin costs more than$20.

10:06Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Yeah, this is one that was going to be Wii News, and then this story broke, and I'm like, well, I feel like it's a little bit related here, right, when you talk about this post from Kotaku, where they say the newly added Peak Scout skin in Fortnite costs more than$20 in V-Bucks. Peak is only$8 on Steam. On sale right now for$4.95. I come back to the raised Fortnite prices that we talked about a few weeks ago, where they talked about, well, we got to do this to pay the bills. And I'm like, well, if you're laying off 1 ,000 people, what bills are we talking about here that we got to pay? right i mean i think for me blessing seeing this news in the morning it just immediately hits you that i want to say no one is safe but that's not really the right word because these companies could be safe if they just didn't need the millions and millions and billions up top yeah like these companies could be safe but it's one of those things where you go damn even fortnight the company that is or the game that is largely responsible for a lot of games not succeeding because people are stuck in those ecosystems.

11:06Blessing Adeoye Jr.:When we talk about the amount of player time that is spent in games that are six years old or older, right? We were talking about like, oh man, the amount of attention that people have that they can spend on certain games, the amount of players that there are in the ecosystem that aren't able to hop into maybe XYZ indie game or XYZ AAA game. It's because we're talking about the amount of people that are playing Fortnite, right? fortnight call of duty valorant counter-strike roblox overwatch all that oh yeah i really struggle with that word right there oh why do i say it like that that's gonna be a smile that is one of those fortnight arguably is what the most popular video game the second most popular it's top two right right and we're in a place where even for a top two performing video game right now in terms of player numbers in terms of attention in terms of just notoriety uh we got to off a thousand people because we can't keep up with the times which leads to the question of how do we get here and i feel like there's so many different things that we can at least point to to be like all right like this factors in that factors in like what are some of the main factors you think i would say overall the video games industry like i don't want to say downturn because i don't even think that's accurate right like i think player numbers have only thrown if not maybe i guess plateaued a little bit but there aren't less people playing video games there might not be just as big of a jump of people playing video games i'm sorry it's maybe an overshooting of a of a estimate yes right and i think that is not fortnight i think that's the video games industry but i think when when you have a game like fortnight that is one of the biggest in the video games industry when you start to see that industry i guess like that industry charts start to even out a little bit that happens to fortnight and then they have to go ah shit we didn't plan for this which i look at as such a failure of leadership over at epic games so i think that's a that's one of the factors another i think there's a million things we're talking about i think when we're talking about rocket racing and fortnight festival and these side modes that they obviously had a lot of investment in those things just didn't have the promise like i liked rocket racing for what it was rocket racing never came off to me as something that was going to live that long because you play it and it's like all right it's a cool little racing mode it has some of those rocket league mechanics that we like but that didn't feel to me like the next up right even fortnight festival i like that mode quite a bit but that didn't feel like the next rock band right and of course they're only um shutting down this pvp portion of it but even still it's like i wanted more from that ballistic as well ballistic is one where i'm like all right you're trying to do a valorant counter-strike style mode here but this doesn't have the sauce of a Valorant or Counter-Strike, which leads me to ask, what were your expectations for this thing?

13:51Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Did you want it to really compete with those things, or was this an experiment for you? I think from the outside looking in, these things always seemed like experiments. They always seemed like we got extra people, we have extra workers, and we have a lot of extra money. Not to say that they don't have a lot of extra money now. They still obviously do. They have more money than God, and they could easily retain all of these employees if they really wanted to. The problem is trying to, I think what I just mentioned earlier, overshooting the estimates of what you think you're able to do, right? And it's the strive for more and you are banking on hoping that these things succeed.

14:36And then when they don't, because you were just sort of experimenting, then that leads to, like you just mentioned, I mean, it leads to layoffs obviously, But it's also just mismanagement, in my opinion. I think that you don't really try to reach for these things unless you know that you have the most amount of leeway and slack to be able to afford these things. Now, does Fortnite kind of having a bit of a dip like he mentioned in 2025 and maybe the engagement has dropped a little bit? Does that also factor in and going, hey, it's all right that these things aren't succeeding like we hoped that they would.

15:13However, Fortnite is also kind of struggling a little bit too. Therefore, the layoffs will occur. This is also their second round of layoffs since 2023. In September 2023, they laid off 830 employees, which is approximately 16 % of their staff. The 1 ,000 they laid off today is approximately 23 % of their staff.

15:34Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Yeah. Which is... So gigantic numbers. That's one thing that, yeah, we should mention off the top. It's insane. 1 ,000 people? That's a lot of fucking people. That's a lot of people. When we talk about layoffs happening in the industry, which is nearly every day, it's, you know, several times a week at this point, unfortunately, we're talking about studios with 100 or 200 people or 60 people or whatever. And it's always, you know, we laid off 10, we laid off 20, we laid off 50 or whatever. Yeah. And that's those are always still those are those are really large numbers. And you go, damn, that's 50 super talented people that are likely going to be discouraged to stick in the industry because of just how volatile things are.

16:17One thousand employees is way more akin to when wherever we hear Oracle is having layoffs or Google or Amazon. Those are massive tech industry amounts of layoffs. a thousand people not only just i mean these aren't only developers a lot of them are you know maybe people working in you know finance or whatever we don't have the exact numbers and how the numbers net out or whatever but that is still just a disgusting amount oh yeah of people

16:43Blessing Adeoye Jr.:being laid off one of the things they mentioned i don't think they mentioned in the game informer article but they i think they're trying to save through these layoffs like 500 million dollars something something around that i'll double check as i'm talking here but that those are the numbers that we're talking about when we're talking about like what they're trying to even out here i want to reference um bloomberg's article on this matter shout out to uh bloomberg this is written by jason schreier and cecilia uh donna stasio i definitely mispronounced that donna no i actually nailed it donna stasio um they have a little paragraph here uh talking about when we're talking about like that downturn when we're talking about the numbers i highlighted it and then i lost it but they're talking about play time here hold on and the plate average play time i'm assuming or yeah like the play time that went down i might okay i might need a second to find it but either way they're talking about how what those numbers were right as far as player averages like let's say in 2020 the the average fortnight player was putting in like 20 hours within a certain amount of time like that those averages were down year to year right it was down to like 16 hours i'll find the exact quote but those that's what we're talking about as far as what that downturn looks like on the fortnite side and why we're seeing them tighten up their wallets as far as oh we got to get these prices up oh we got to save 500 million dollars via layoffs and all this stuff which again i think just all comes back to management how you do all this stuff right like another thing i point to as well fortnite and epic they spent a lot of time going after apple they spent a lot of time and effort and energy going after uh apple and the app store and all that stuff and what that meant was fortnight wasn't available on the iphone yeah and we're talking about like uh we got to cut this we got to cut that it's like brother could you all afford to not be on iphone like is that a thing that you could have done here i feel like there are so many places where it is we could have maybe not done this oh we could have maybe saved money here that should not have led to a thousand people getting laid off definitely sound seemed a lot more personal it just felt more like a personal vendetta yeah i felt like a tim sweeney i want to do this as opposed to let me think about the well-being of the people that work at my company and what do we say what do we always say less what's what's the old uh i don't know why i say we but the old african proverb that i brought up that one time when the elephants fight only the grass hurt gets hurt or some shit like that that's good i think that was it what do we say what do we say i've never heard what do we say well i brought it up once i want to show both of us being i impressed a lot of people with that saying uh we have a super chat here from will fredo who says the tim toineet tldr it's not that we're losing money we're just not making record profits now it's just regular profits yeah and that's that's where the world is now unfortunately you have to be setting the world on fire with how much money you're making as opposed to just being super sustainable which is crazy because you're fortnite you know no matter what you are setting the world on fire with the amount of money that you're making.

19:46Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Now, is it as much money as you were making five years ago? No, but we shouldn't be in a place where a few failed updates or a few chapters not performing as well as the previous chapters means, ah, we got to only have a thousand people. Like, I think that is, that comes back to the whole live service conversation and how volatile live service can be, where it is, we don't have to just put out a good game every four years. We have to put out an update that's going to keep the money flowing every month, every few months right every chapter whatever it is and that is not an easy task to continue to do consistently years on end right where it's clearly not sustainable not sustainable fortnight launched in 2017 like we're almost 10 years well i and we have to keep on speaking with the caveat that no it is sustainable it's just not to them to them it's not sustainable it's not sustainable when you have the expectations that yeah the chart's going to continue to go up by the way I found the paragraph that I lost before, right?

20:42Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Again, this is Jason Schreier and Cecilia D 'Astasio. They say Fortnite still ranks among players' favorite games, topping the charts for monthly active users across PlayStation and Xbox consoles in the U.S. in February, according to Matt Piscitella, an analyst at video game market research firm Circona. But average engagement time has fallen, Piscitella said, writing on LinkedIn that the average PlayStation player spent 16 hours on Fortnite last month, a drop from 21 hours in February 2025. xbox players averaged 15 hours compared with 19 hours the previous year so there is that drop off in terms of player time which i think could lead into a conversation about all right what went wrong there what happened what you should what should you have done but again i feel like it was high guard yeah high guard came for the king but like i mean that's a good point though like maybe not high guard but competition yeah of course being a thing right fortnight their competition might not necessarily be video games i know we're talking about like tiktok and battlefield and all these things but yeah we're really talking about tiktok and youtube and i was gonna say twitch i feel like twitch probably isn't as much of a competitor it's really tiktok and we're being honest it's mainly short form media of course let's come over and take over take it over the mind of the kids but man like we shouldn't be in a place where that industry thing the big industry thing leads to fortnight being like ah well a thousand people you're done you should have the space to be able to adjust and maneuver and hopefully not lead to this many people being laid off yeah if you i mean it just goes back to if you care about the industry and if you care about the art form this is showing that you don't this is showing that you don't care about making video games this is just all about appeasing the profits or you know appeasing the shareholders and hitting those record profits.

22:34And we are just going to continue to, we're just going to continue to lose so many talented senior employees, people that have been in the industry for 10 plus 15 plus years or whatever that are eventually going to go. All right. I mean, I'm headed towards early retirement most likely because I just can't do this anymore. Like this is, you know, whatever, six job, fifth job in the last couple of years or whatever it is just it's so discouraging and once again you are not only doing you're not only you know making people want to leave the industry that have been in it forever and that have so much knowledge and and you know um you know tutelage that they could uh give other employees you are discouraging so many new employees from wanting to even get in the games industry who the fuck who in their right mind would go i want to work for a big studio right now oh like there is no like it wouldn't it makes no sense i don't like the only way that you are trying to get into game design right now is if you go i want to have i have my own idea i want an indie game i have you know i want to get into the indie development market i have my own game that i want to maybe start my own studio whatever that whatever the case may be but like i'm gonna do the back in my day but like back in my day when i was you know going to art school and you know wanted to be in game uh in the games industry there were so many like there were so many studios that were just doing great and there were so many places to want to go to and now it just feels like why would you ever invest in that oh yeah you know i mean obviously we have plenty of friends that work in the games industry i feel like this last this last year to two years has been

24:23Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I've seen the highest amount of my friends not have jobs and I've seen multiple of them in the process of trying to find a job in the industry in it just be a grueling process of like you know not being able to find space and applying applying applying and like you know a couple of them thankfully were able to land back on their feet find a role or like get rehired or whatever it is right but like still not all of them have jobs yeah and that's the scary thing is like I think that then leads to all right I'm just gonna leave the industry I'm gonna find a job outside the industry because i can't afford to keep on looking and looking it's march 24th and approximately 2 ,800 rolls have been lost when we're talking about not only you know epic obviously donating a large portion of that a thousand uh a thousand of the 2 ,800 um but it just sort of uh the industry just continues to bleed unfortunately i want to bring in another quote uh this is directly from tim swiney's blog posts but i think this will clear up slash maybe even correct some of what i said earlier right so the quote goes quote and this is a shout out jason stryan and cecilia here well we're spending significantly more than we're making and we have to make major cuts to keep the company funded um this layoff together with over 500 million dollars of identified cost savings in contracting marketing and closing some open roles puts us in a more stable place end quote so there's the 500 million dollar quote that they have have there that they're trying to cut down on let's keep an eye out for uh exec bonuses soon let's keep an eye out for how much fortnite makes in 2026 uh and i'm sure we'll continue to feel the rage bubble up in our bodies story number two nintendo cuts switch to output by over 30 percent on weak u.s sales this comes from takashi mochizuki at bloomberg nintendo is cutting back the production of switch two after demand for the$450 gaming console trailed the company's expectations during the year-end holiday season, particularly in the U.S.

26:23The company plans to make 4 million units of its flagship device this quarter, a third less than the 6 million it had originally planned to produce, people familiar with the matter said. The reduced output rate is set to continue in April, the people said, asking not to be named as the figures aren't public. After a record-setting debut in June, sales of the Switch 2 have failed to meet Nintendo management's high expectations. Though demand for a lower-priced but unprofitable variant in Japan has remained strong, sales in the US haven't met with similar continued success. Nintendo shares fell as much as 6.3 in Tokyo, their steepest intraday decline since February 4th.

27:04The stock momentarily dropped to 8 ,000 yen, erasing all gains from a rally earlier this month spurred by surprise success of the new Pokemon Pocopia game before pairing some losses. The successful launch of Pokemon Pocopia hasn't prompted the management to again accelerate production of the Switch 2. Instead, it's waiting to see if the hit game and other new titles have enough staying power to merit an output increase, the people said. Quote, this hardware shortfall in its first year during its big holiday season is awful news said amir anvar zadeh the japan equity strategist at asymmetric advisors quote clearly the software lineup has been poor at least until most recently with pokemon showing some hope end quote the output cut shouldn't affect nintendo's ability to meet the average analyst estimate of about 20 million switch 2 units sold in the fiscal year through this month the people said and here's an interesting stat from matt piscatella over on blue sky one

28:04Blessing Adeoye Jr.:that that i added in there because it grants like interesting context to where we're talking about this uh dip like the um cutting the output by over 30 from nintendo but then you look at the switch to install base compared to other consoles install base in the same nine month period on the market and it's so fascinating because the switch two is killing everything the switch is beating everything i should say right like it's over 29 of the ps5 um it's beating ps4 by 30 and then like it goes in order right then the wii then the switch then the ps2 xbox one xbox series um 3ds with the plus 96 360 with the plus 120 uh gamecube gamecube with plus 139 and it's beating the wii u by 302 uh with the god damn and so like running up the score yeah so So like Switch 2 might be failing to meet Nintendo's, what they forecasted.

28:57Blessing Adeoye Jr.:But it's still one of the fastest selling consoles that we've had. Yeah, here's a follow up from Matt Pescatella over on Blue Sky says, It remains the second fastest selling hardware in tracked U.S. history from 1995 to current behind only the Game Boy Advance. And it's like, brother, what are we doing here? That's crazy. That is pretty damn wild. Because when this news drops and I see this news, I go, wow, even Nintendo is hurting. And they're not really, you know, it's just it all comes down to just shooting way too far for the moon. And they could have like they could have shot for the stratosphere and and still been totally good.

29:37But it just all comes down with what these expectations are, especially in such a volatile, like not just market, but economy where people are struggling, man. But yeah, that's what it comes down to. People are struggling. did we ever get a follow-up as to what's happening with nintendo suing uh trump and like the

29:56Blessing Adeoye Jr.:government not yet i don't know about that we'll see we'll see how that nets out but yeah yeah this is another one of those where you just gotta wonder if things would be going it you gotta wonder what the economy would look like without the mass tariffs that were put on everything yeah without um you know a war starting like that's the thing is like nintendo in a weird place like I look at them as a, a traveler that's been, that's been like, you know, seasoned, right. They know how to, they know how to get from point A to point B. They've been through this. They've been through this. They've hiked before.

30:32Blessing Adeoye Jr.:And now like, you know, they're on this adventure and they were prepared. They got their bag full of resources. They got their coat. They got all this stuff, but a blizzard is coming and they're like, Oh shit. We've not seen a blizzard like this before, but we're the guys, right? So like, they're going to face that blizzard. They're facing the tariffs, you know i i think the switch to either the price of the switch 2 is going to go up or the nintendo switch online or the software or multiple of those something's going to go up and they're gonna have to figure that out sooner sooner or later um but like right now we're in that place where they're fucking like all right tighten up the backpack let's fucking go and you know i'm curious to see because one of the quotes here from um one of these analysts was talking about the first year or I guess the first six months of software output like not being that great and I don't agree I don't disagree but I don't agree fully right because like you know you had Metroid you had DKB Danza you had Mario Kart were any of those the killer app no I don't think so and I think that's where that's where I agree Pacopia I think is the killer app Pacopia I've seen so many of my friends who were holding out not getting Switch 2's break because of this game I think the Pocopia release may be a little bit too recent to you know because these decisions take place you know so I think we'll see what the I don't want to say the fallout of Pocopia but more of like how much that you know how many hardware sales and you know when we talk about the you know the package deals of man they bought a Switch 2 and Pocopia like we'll see exactly what the numbers there are when I mean I don't disagree that it hasn't been the strongest offering yet but you know for a while there we were like all right well nintendo might be kind of crazy to not put cope to not put pocopia everywhere and now it just kind of i think it now we see the other side of things where you go no it it needs to be a system seller needs to be a system seller and you know if if the switch to output continues to drop and they start you know you know now it's going to be instead of 60 now they're dropping into whatever the hell or you know like if we continue to see a lowered output do we start to see what sony did with uh the ps5 where a lot of our games are coming out they are also going to be backwards compatible we are like do you think they're in a moment right now with their games that are in development going shit the switch 2 not selling like we're hoping we're still waiting for hopefully some pocopia news that like you know whatever the analysts say like holy shit switch twos you know sales spiked like crazy but if that doesn't happen do we need to look at the rest of our output and go damn maybe we need to scale some of these titles back to also be runnable on the switch one i'm gonna say no because i think nintendo cares that much about their hardware business i think they'll there's enough switch twos out there where like you'll get the software sales it might not be the record-breaking software sales right like if you release a new Animal Crossing right now.

33:32Blessing Adeoye Jr.:It might not be the fastest selling Animal Crossing, right? Because there are so many Switch ones when the last one came out. But I think they know that if they continue to put out the first party games on the Switch 2, it's only going to sell the Switch 2. Like right now, I think over at Nintendo, at the Nintendo building, right? Miyamoto and the president and all of, you know, Chintaro, Fuukawa, they're at the top floor. They look at each other like, thank God we made Pocopi exclusive. Because if we didn't make Pocopi exclusive, Like we might not be like, we might've had to like forecast even lower during the next fiscal quarter or whatever it is.

34:07Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Right. Like I think they're looking at their, however, we also would have sold about 7 million copies. I mean, we would have sold more copies, but we care a lot about getting the switch to out there. I think they're looking at the, their upcoming output and going, all right, what's going to be the next Pacopia? We need more Pacopias on this thing. We need more reasons for people to be like, shit, I have to get a switch to you. Right. and like i think they're looking at who actually i don't i don't know what game would be the next pacopia it might be pokemon wind and waves honestly it's definitely it's got to be winning waves yeah because i i mean you you got to assume there's a there's a mario game being worked on there's a zelda game being worked on i think that pokemon is the one that will pokemon special double those sales right now what you need is nintendo is you need pokemon wind and waves and we're going to get there next year but i think for you know you need those mini pacopia wins as well so like i think i look at dustbloods as one of those yeah i think a dustbloods is going to make waves pun intended i think as man if this is all the ocarina remake that we try to dream up into existence if that ends up being real i think that's another mini pacopia you're gonna be all excited man like if you can get a 3d mario in there that's a mini pacopia right i mean a 3d Mario should be more than a mini Pocopia.

35:24Pocopia, I feel like it's a different, put some respect on Mario's name. I like Mario more than I like,

35:29Blessing Adeoye Jr.:like a Pocopia, but like Mario, Pokemon is just a different breed. No, I know. I know. It's a different beast. I know, but I mean, literally Animal Crossing will be the next one. Not even a mini one. That'll be a major. I mean, that'll be a major one. Damn. Mario somewhere going like you, I'm a mini Pocopia. Okay, bro. fuck man all right i'll be like mario do you want to look at the sales numbers like your cart your cart ain't doing it like that you know actually cart probably is selling you know the clout you have mario don't worry about it make a mario somebody chats this mario farming game that's what we'll need mario crossing if you really want to be on that level are we ever going to get mario kart world dlc are we ever going to get an added little world here little added island like where is that i think that's a lever you pull maybe in the second half of the switch's life cycle it's also only been out for a year i don't know why i'm freaking out and but like yeah i guess a year is enough that is a long time i think it's gonna be a weird thing where we're gonna wait a few years and nintendo's like oh yeah this exists let's get some more money out of this thing because we know how much people like mario kart gotcha well a lot of people love mario kart bless but i love paying bills for me and for the company and uh right now i'd like to hear from a word from our sponsors great chances this episode is brought to you by patreon.com slash kind of funny.

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