Last of Us Online was 80% Complete?! - Kinda Funny Games Daily 04.02.26

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1:12welcome to kind of funny games daily for Thursday March 2nd 2026 it's April 2nd blessing Adio junior when you typed in this document I am Andy Cortez and I'm joined by snow bike Michael Howard A little jokester today. A little jokester. A little jokester. A little jokester. A little jokester. It's not April Fool's, but you'd be fooling today. Mike, what did you get into last night? Last night I got deep into the Dungeons of Zelda. Ignored my calls. Ignored my texts. Ignored my slacks. Not happy about it, you know. But I'm happy about it. Not happy at who, though? At who, yeah. At myself. Okay, good.

1:47Did I want to go to an awesome basketball game with my best friend? Yeah, of course, right? Like, not happy about it. Did I want to see Wemby put up MVP numbers in his final campaign to be chosen for league MVP? Yes. He's pushing for it. And did I want to sit in nice seats with Andy Cortez? Yeah. Super nice seats. Those are the seats we need to get from now on. How much did those run? $240. Not bad. $240. Not bad. It was like, I was 18 rows up. It was real nice. Wow, 18 rows up. Real nice. Real good angle. Yeah. What'd you eat? Had a big ass pretzel. Because you know I like eating when we go to the pretzel.

2:23Dude, I had nachos and I had a big-ass pretzel. Nachos, too? Yeah. You dipped the pretzel in the nacho cheese? Well, they gave you different cheese. Spicy cheese? I think it was about the same cheese. I think it was the same sort of cheese. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was kind of spicy. It's all coming out of a bag. Yeah, it's all coming out of some distributor, wherever the hell it's coming in from. But the pretzel was really damn good. There was a dude in front of me who kept on going, good rebound, whenever the Warriors would get a rebound. and then there was a little kid next to me who kept going, you suck!

2:54to all the Spurs guys whenever they would miss a shot. Hey, when you're in the lower bowl, you can do that. They hear it. We weren't that close, but it was still really, really damn good. Shout out to Game Time. I used promo code Dan. Shout out to Game Time. This is not sponsored, but use those tickets. It worked. Yeah, it worked. I love that. Because I always feel like they say all that and it's like, that never works, but I also never see the tickets go on sale that are like oh that's worth it you know yeah tam was at the game too he was in he was in he sits in like section 200s he was like the section above me uh and he texted me in the third quarter i'm leaving i can't watch this anymore they're getting smacked they're getting smacked up yeah the warriors are getting smacked up they had like nobody available and it was a great day also check this out there was a player for the warriors whose right hand super hurt they were down to nobody they only had like nine players he had to shoot his free throws with his left hand and the whole audience was like oh god like it looked really really bad poor guy man that's crazy they didn't call you down and they should have they have current knows that you would have signed a 10-day steve kerr knows steve kerr should know um if you're watching live be a part of the show by super chatting on youtube.com forward slash kind of funny games we couldn't do this without our patreon producers on patreon.com forward slash kind of funny so thank you to carl Jacobs, Omega Buster, and Delaney, the Psalm, Twining.

4:16We got a packed news day today. So for now, let's begin with what is and forever will be the Roper Report. It's time for some news. We have six stories today. A baker's dozen. That poor smoke machine. story number one last of us online dev says that it was around 80 complete before its soul crushing cancellation this comes from kenneth shepherd at kotaku it's been just under three years since naughty dog announced it was canceling a planned last of us multiplayer game in order to redirect resources to its single player to its signature single player narrative games i stuttered quite a bit during that first sentence there mike because i can't believe it's already been close to three years uh when i read this it was pretty wild of like man how fast time goes that is crazy like yesterday uh it you know so they again are they wanted to redirect resources to their signature single player narrative games including the upcoming ps5 game intergalactic the heretic prophet from the sound of it the multiplayer game was in the late stages of development when the studio pulled the plug vinnit agarwal the director on the project who has since left naughty dog and moved to Japan to found a new studio, sat down for a lengthy interview with Lance E.

5:36Lee to talk about his life and career. When the topic of The Last of Us came up, Agarwal revealed that the game was around 80 % complete before it was canceled. Agarwal also gave some insights into Sony's misguided live service pivot, which he says the company started pushing around 2020 at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, as online games became a way for people to connect with their friends while quarantined in their homes. As restrictions have loosened in the years that followed, people aren't playing online games as much as they were. And as such, all that investment into Forever Games was pulled back.

6:10The combination of that and a weighing of the Naughty Dog's internal resources led to the Last of Us online cancellation. Quote, basically at one point, a decision had to be made. All right, make this next game or make the next game that Neil Druckmann was directing, the president of the company. And so kind of naturally, you can understand what happened there. They had to pick the game that was kind of the bread and butter of the studio rather than this experimental game that I was working on that I believe was going to be really big, but unfortunately couldn't see the light of day. That was a devastating moment for me because I spent seven years working on that game, and it was soul-crushing.

6:44I remember honestly finding out that it was getting canceled 24 hours before it was announced to the public. That's how I found out about the game getting canceled, and it was just unfortunate they had to do that because they have to control the messaging. Oh, like a player learning that he's getting shipped out going to another team on the bench, you know? I mean, that's tough. Very unfortunate stuff right there. And it's wild to start finally hearing a little bit of the story behind the scenes, right? Talking with the director of the game, seven years of development time, all to be cut short at about 80 % markers wild.

7:21It's obviously insanely, it's got to be insanely soul crushing and you got to hope that so many of those employees are able to put some stuff on their portfolios but a lot of it is likelynd aid oh and then you go well hey i i should be hired at this next studio i just can't show you the stuff i worked on for the last seven years because that game got canceled and now naughty dog and sony aren't letting me show it so all of that kind of gets into a weird you know uh like gray area or whatever but when i think of this game i think that if Sony could see the future and if they could see how massive Ark Raiders became.

7:59Yeah. With The Last of Us being a big name, having a huge TV show, I think that this would have been the one that they decided, actually, no, let's go forward with that one and let's cancel the other one. Let's find out a way to keep this thing going so that Neo can continue intergalactic. It's just insane to me that that's the project that gets canceled still. like when we look at all of the other live service stuff that eventually ended up happening and ended up going through a lot of it got a lot of it probably has to do with the fact that it is Naughty Dog going well we'd rather you work on that big thing rather than this like uh Vinit mentioned this experimental multiplayer game but for all the other multiplayer projects to get through and to get greenlit and for the last of us one with two seasons of an hbo show that everybody fell in love with to be the one to get canceled just makes you go there had to have been a way to kind of keep this going call up another studio for support handy why can't we break off a small team with neil to maybe start the intergalactic run and build out while the team finishes this up right it's like one of those you wish you could have been there in the room to hear it all because yeah you would think after hell divers too of course you would look at marathon now of course you've had some stumbles with concord but you would think you would look at that and go okay let's get to the finish line here because those are going to pay off what do we need to support you but yeah the bread and butter is with neil with this single player narrative driven game we're going to go back to that no matter how far you are wild to say that we're at 80 percent and be like you know what you can get that far into a project and i'll be like we're done with that Yeah, and a lot of it comes down to that, you know, can we even recoup any of these losses, right?

9:50And I think if, you know, again, this is armchair finance, you know, marketer or whatever, but if you're that close to it, you got to assume, all right, put it out. Let's try to get something back from this. let's try to sell some micro transactions let's let's sell this base game but again i when i think of what naughty dog was doing trying to have this not just this isn't factions one right everything we've heard about factions two felt a little bit more extraction like yeah you know and and i think in that moment without knowing that something like arc creators could could come along and succeed they go well this is still kind of an unimproven game type you know and i think a lot of that has to do with them going actually no we'll go ahead and go forward with concord because it's a game type that people are more familiar with it's an arena shooter i mean at that time they are they're basing this all off the ip right just like you could point to tarkov at that time you could probably point to the uh division uh dark zone but they're just basing this all off of like hey the ip is going to carry this and hopefully people will jump on and find themselves really enjoying this new game mode that we're going to try to put out to the mass audience right now i wish we could have learned more right what a time this would be to go get drinks with this game developer and be like hey point to some of the things you were doing what were some of the highlights that you thought would like blow up in this game i want to learn so much more about this game and to think what was behind the scenes and the thing that this would have likely been one of those dual releases, PS5 and PC.

11:28Yeah. There's a big player base out there. It's the last of us. It's a large IP. I'm just like, oh, there has to be people at Sony right now going, damn it. We, we had something there and we shut it down because obviously you need those employees to be working on the intergalactic game. And we also know, yeah, you're 80 % there, Andy, but 20 % still to the finish line, which is going to be a lot. And then also you have to keep this game alive, right? So like, what does the studio look like if this does become a massive hit? Our resources now diverted from Neil Druckmann and his team over to this side where now we have to build up a stronger crew that keeps up with this updates for the extraction shooter, whatever faction was.

12:11And maybe that slows down Neil and his team or does it die right away? And then all of a sudden we have a massive loss. The Last of Us name takes a hit, which we've talked about before. We don't think it would have, but if it did die, how big of a hit would that name have taken? A question from the pool here, if you may. I do wonder, though, how much was Naughty Dog ramping up and bringing talent in for this, right? Because we talk about, oh, we needed to cut this thing to fully support Intergalactic, but for years if y 'all were kind of building this up as something bigger than last of us factions for this uh last of us to part two multiplayer don't you think like they would have brought in more people for that like that's just something that i've always thought about as well like were you not thinking far into the future of those outcomes of like you know having that team there or like having like extra people there for this multiplayer team while not having to redirect resources from Intergalactic.

13:16Well, you got to assume as they look back on the development of this, you would ask them, how long is it going to take to make this game? They wouldn't have said it would have taken seven years of production. There's likely a good chance that they wanted this to be much shorter. And then scope and other games coming out and other ideas and then things sort of snowball and suddenly it's a much larger project that maybe you're willing to sort of fully take on. but they were fully taking it on for damn near a decade. You know? Pretty impressive stuff. While still doing their normal games, mind you, right?

13:48And it's like we hear stories out of Obsidian with their smaller teams doing Grounded, right? We talk about projects with Pentamint, right? How big is this team that's working on that? Seven years, yes, is a long time, but for the first two years, was it eight people building on a small prototype and then it got bigger and bigger? The chat also reminds me that like, yeah, they said in an interview that if this game were to hit, they would become a live service studio only, which I don't think would actually be the case. They would 100 % fund that team and also get back to their bread and butter with Neil of single-player narrative games.

14:21There's no way in a world that if this game does come out and it hits, all of a sudden Naughty Dog is only Bungie making a live service game. No. They would still 100 % double down on that and give them even more to go make more games. Now, the kind of closest analog I can think of is Bungie, who's making Destiny at the time, and then that small team spins off to work on the frog game or whatever that multiplayer, the gummy whatever the hell project. Gummy bear? Gummy bear. Yeah, but there's also like a frog thing, a frog type. It's a frog game. Yeah, frog type game is what they were saying. And that project alone, was that warranted a different team getting sort of spun off and becoming a different team hey you guys worked at bungee now we're kind of going to give you a different name you're going to go work over there on this project for a little while or whatever and that's you know again armchair studio director or armchair sony director at that point that's it's worth going all right everybody we need you back on neil's project but the stars of that project let's get you on multiplayer yeah let's we're gonna shut down blue point in five years let's get you over you know like it's man i feel like there could have been something here and for all of us for all the times that we make fun of how badly uh ideated and how awful of a of a like directive this whole live service push was this is the one that could have been the one that they could have stuck with.

16:02It's a little head-scratching to me of like, oh, like during COVID, we saw everybody at home playing games together. But then after COVID, like people just stopped playing. It's like, well, people didn't stop playing online games. Like they kept going. I know that the bread and butter is single-player games, but it is interesting of like this whole live service push has quickly become like, oh no, people are back to playing just single-player games. Cut it all down, right? It's like, no, you just haven't found the game that works yet, right? So it does take time. It does take a lot of losses. But there is a diamond in the rough there.

16:32Last of Us probably had a better chance than a lot of other Sony live service pushes that they had. Yeah, where's Fair Games? Mass Affection with a$2 super chat says, could have had Bluepoint take over The Last of Us online. Could have had a lot of really talented employees go off and continue that. That's the odd one. You would love to be at the moment of when they said, hey, which it sounds like, hey, he didn't find out until this game was going to be canceled. 24 hours ahead of time, but there had to be a conversation in the room of like, right now we only have enough for resources for either Neil and his team or for you.

17:06Let's start to hear the pitches of why we should do both, right? Or why we should pick one or the other. This team, Sony couldn't go. Let's make both happen right now. If you really thought this was going to be the game, going to be so special, eight, seven years of work and then just drop down the drain. That's crazy. Yeah, we need the full deep dive. Because looking at Naughty Dog, to online estimates, they're around a 400-employee company. Yeah. And you just got to wonder, how many would it have taken to work on this other game? And not all of those 400 were working on The Last of Us online.

17:44A lot of them were already in pre-pro for Neil's game. So it just makes you wonder what kind of powers could have been diverted. you know 20 more to the engines 24 more to the whatever you know uh bailey walker says with a five dollar super chat says wasn't it bungie that came in and raised the red flags on the last of us online just for their own studio to be thrown in potential peril yeah there were reports that that bungie was kind of the hey we'll we'll be kind of uh consultants on a lot of these live service pushes okay and that they were one of the studios that i guess looked at the last of us online i i don't have it down perfectly i don't like the look of it but i i do think that bungie were one of the people you know one of the consultants to be like i don't know this is working but if we would think that it was actually an extraction shooter and then makes an extraction shooter pretty wild right there yeah yeah not a great look yeah i mean like again that's very much a you know we'll have to find the exact story because but i do remember that coming out you know I'm seeing some stories here from Forbes here this story from Paul Tassie talking about Bungie reviewing reportedly reviewed the last of those factions and found it lacking this is a five month I mean that also could be true right I mean you brought it you purchased Bungie Sony purchased Bungie for of course Bungie and the team but also their expertise of like hey help us we're trying to make a big 12 game live service push come in here and bring your expertise and so you have the team went in there and said yeah it's not the best then you probably take them at their word because yeah they kind of know live service games in and out for sure I would love to know more I want this guy to open up and tell us all about this game I need to know map size how many maps what was the actual objective of the game was an extraction shooter was it just teams of threes banging into each other like I want to know all about this game Barrett this is from Forbes when this was written about with the whole Bungie of it all early last year, Shoei Yoshida, despite saying that when he played The Last of Us online, it was quote unquote great, says that Bungie explained what it takes to make live service games and Naughty Dog realized, oops, we can't do that.

20:03If we do it, we can't make intergalactic. So that was a lack of foresight, a very expensive oops that costs years of development resources and tens of millions of dollars, no doubt. So I think there's been a conflation of people saying like oh bungee saw the last of us uh game and said it was like bad and it needed to be canceled but i i think that's like uh over dramatizing like what actually happened there wasn't that like they came in and said this isn't working it's just like hey these are going to be the steps that you need to take in the future um and again they gave them enough hesitation for sony to go you don't get again that lack of foresight yeah this is like a weird yeah it It sounds like Bungie Cameron's like, hey, just so you know, we've gone down this road, and once you do it, you become destiny, right?

20:49We've done destiny for 10 years. You don't see any other Bungie titles out there, right? So, like, if you're going to do it, you're going to have to commit the whole team to it, which then I still believe Sony would. If Neil Druckmann was like, hey, my studio now only makes a live service game, I still want to make single-player games, they're going to figure out a way to make sure Neil Druckmann is happy and making a game with him. Now, would we get Intergalactic? Maybe not. But would we get a Neil Druckmann single-player game? 100%. Yeah, 100%. Story number two, Super Mario Galaxy movie has a better opening day than the first film and is expected to finish behind for the weekend.

21:24This comes from Chris Gullin at VGC. The Super Mario Galaxy movie has started off well at the box office, outdoing its predecessor on its first day. As a reminder to listeners out there and viewers, we're doing our interview today. Very excited to talk about it. After Gamescast, most likely. Yes. When the Super Mario Bros. movie launched on Wednesday, April 5th, 2023, it brought in$31.7 million in the U.S. box office that day. Now, as reported by Deadline, the Super Mario Galaxy movie has bettered this, hitting$34 million on Wednesday. This not only surpasses the first film, but is also the best ever opening Wednesday in April.

22:00Despite its strong start, the publication notes that it's harder to tell whether it'll keep up this momentum over the course of its first three-day period, parentheses, up until the end of Friday, and then its five-day period, ending the weekend. Universal is estimating that the film will reach$128.2 million over three days and$186 million over five days, which would be less than the first Super Mario Bros. movie, which hit$146 million in three days and$204 million in five days. but would still be Illumination's second best opening, beating out any of its Minion movies. Should the Super Mario Galaxy pass 100 million domestically by Friday, as expected, it would become just the fourth animated franchise to have two movies pass 100 million in their opening three days, along with Shrek, Toy Story, and Minions.

22:53Damn. It does feel like the first Super Mario movie, Mike, had a lot more legs. Okay. Once more word of mouth kept going, like it, the way that Super Mario one gained money reminds me a lot of the way inside out to gained money. Okay. When I would suddenly just hear about inside out two is made. How much that's still, are you fucking serious? Like it's still continuing to do that. I feel like Super Mario one had a lot of legs and it feels like maybe they're estimating that Super Mario 2 may not have that much, but will still be way up there along with their other franchises. Super Mario 1 at the time, I think, felt kind of like the first one, right?

23:34A new thing coming out here. Something special and different of like, oh, we weren't used to video game movies being so, so good. And also, the first time an animated Mario movie is on the big stage and nailing it. So I think there was a little bit different of like, now we're a sequel, we know what it's capable of. Still incredible dollars here, right? If I'm to believe the Google search right here,$110 million is the budget for the new movie, right? Super Mario Galaxy movie 2026 was$110. That's a lot. They're going to make a lot of money. Making all that money pretty quickly. I mean, do you think it will take over number one?

24:13Or do you think it will slow down like these estimates? I think it will slow down. I think there was just something so special about that first one. And maybe word of mouth not being there. I think the economy not being there either. You know, I think we were still kind of not quite pandemic era. We were still like, we're on the way out of it. Definitely in 2024, I believe that or 2023. But I think money's just a lot tighter now. Okay. I mean, it's interesting because when you think about it, right, we're about to go into Easter Sunday or Easter weekend. We also have spring break right now. I think these numbers will start to get up a lot higher come the weekend.

24:51Right. I think we just got to get there. Wednesdays, it's an interesting one. We're reading this on a Wednesday into Thursday, which I love that the box office opening weekend has become like a week now. It feels like not a weekend. They're just pushing further back and further back. Exactly. I do feel like by Friday, you're going to see something different. You might see a different energy here. Do you plan on watching it? Oh, yeah, I do. Well, eventually, yeah, yeah. Okay. No hesitation there. What's going on there? It's like this movie for me, where I'm at in life, is like a perfect mic on the couch or on my phone watching movie like when it comes out you know so it's like there's no rush right but yeah i'd like to see it in theaters i saw project hail mary two nights ago loved it and so where was my invite you want to go see it in imax was so good damn that rock hit me dude the rock hit me and so i don't want to know don't tell me the rock i don't want to know talk about duane oh okay he was in it i didn't know that uh yeah so the you know when we were heading out for to mario galaxy the movie and we were like, who's going to the screener?

25:54And Mike said, oh, you know, we're not invited anymore. Yeah, me and Roger and Barrett. And then he said, well, you know, Andy probably told him that I fell asleep 40 minutes in or whatever. There was a lot of that as well. You know, I got the gist. I got the gist as he was snoring next to it. I still have that photo. My Google photos will bring up like the memories or whatever. And it's a blessing to your left looking at you. You just like knock the fuck out. It's a good one. It's a real good one. But we will be talking all about Super Mario Galaxy movie today for InReview. And Tim Geddes is coming back to the studio to do the interview with us.

26:31And I'm very excited to have him. It's going to be a big deal. This movie is going to be big. Even if it falls a little short of the first one. I just wish it were better. I just wish it were better. I know it's so interesting to hear you guys talk about it. But then like Roger saw it last night and he's like, it's a movie. I enjoyed it. Like it's a good time. You know, it's like. It'll make you smile. Yeah. It's going to be a very interesting reaction of like now that people are out there watching what they think. Because there's been some wild reviews. Oh, yeah. There's been some wild, wild reviews, Andy, from afar.

26:58Like, yeah. Those first several reviews from press people that you could tell have never picked up a video game in their life. I don't even blame them for feeling that way. Yeah. But it's like you shouldn't. You sports fans should not be going to an NFL game to like review the game. you know like if you don't really know what's happening if you don't understand okay the references this is this movie is so reference heavy this movie hits you with like some crazy deep cuts that to an outsider would be watching this and go i don't know what the fuck any of this means like this means nothing to me you know and it does hit you with a lot of that now it is beautiful god dang this movie is gorgeous and the soundtrack way less licensed music which was my favorite thing about it they had a lot of licensed music in the first one i mean you know they had like i need a hero oh and famously like on me yeah like during the donkey kong segment yeah fucked up dude they they got rid of so much of that we got and it's like don't worry about dude the orchestra stuff is like i was getting goosebumps so much of it and then the characters were talking he was like man y 'all can't be funnier like come on man come on dude andy but but it's a kid's movie.

28:11Okay. But so are the Lego movies. And those fucking movies are great. Dude. Barely. He's always, Hey, you know that, you know, in the first movie, how that Peaches song blew up and was so popular. Yeah. We can do that for a second one. No. Okay. Got you. Like what? Ah, ah, get me in there, man. Get me in there. Let me help write some jokes. Story number three, Sony interactive entertainment acquires cinemersive labs. There's a press release at Sony interactive. entertainment the company behind the playstation brand we are continually exploring new ways to push the boundaries of visual computing and deliver richer more immersive gameplay experiences today we are pleased to announce that sie has entered into an agreement to acquire cinemersive labs a uk-based machine a uk-based machine learning and computer vision company computer vision What does that mean?

29:09You know what? It's a lot of cool words. Computer, we see the vision. I need to know this is cool words. AI. You ask the computer and their computer's like, I got something. Don't worry about it. You type into the computer what you want. It says, I'll give you the vision. I got the vision. Founded in 2022, Cine Immersive Labs brings together a specialized team with deep expertise in computer vision and machine learning. Following the acquisition, the Cine Immersive Labs team will join SIE's visual computing group vcg not vgc pcg and contribute to our broader efforts in advancing state-of-the-art visual computing within games this includes applying machine learning to enhance gameplay visuals improve rendering techniques and unlock new levels of visual fidelity for players we look forward to welcoming the cinemersive lab team to sie and continue to make playstation the best place to play yeah we are really excited to talk about it now i hear all this let's talk about it and you immediately go, oh man, they want to do a lot of AI stuff.

30:11But on the flip side, I'm going to flip it for you, Mike. Let me flip it. Seems like they want to help improve Pisser a lot. When I read it, Andy, when I've learned from you and you and I doing a lot of NVIDIA stuff, I was like, oh, this sounds like a lot of things that NVIDIA does, AMD does, right? It seems like this is a team that wants to improve upon their visuals and fidelity and the stuff that they have going into their hardware and their software and all their programs. It's like, this seems aligned with everything else that we're seeing from other companies in the tech space that are pushing kind of the medium forward.

30:45And it seems like they are trying to find a group to help them do that. That's the hope. That's certainly the hope, you know? I mean, that's what it seems like, right? Like, to me, it's like, okay, clearly that's what it is. Then I type in cinemersivelabs.com to find the website. It's like, oh, let me see what the website is. pretty low-key website but ai is the second word there just so you know like as to be expected okay but i was looking for like an about me page not much on the about me but some cool stuff going on with like taking a photo and then bringing ai to help it like become a larger photo yeah 3d space scope around him you know it's it's fascinating and i hope that they can continue to make pssr you know more improved and continue to to make that technology more competitive because when i hopped in and checked it out over the weekend i was super impressed by what i was seeing like i it things look a lot better and things are improving with pssr i mean that's got to be the goal right it's like to make your hardware stronger through this different technologies because you're now competing with PCs and NVIDIA and AMD and all these different graphics cards.

31:55You are competing with a possible steam machine, right? It's like you still want to be the top of the line hardware to push all these incredible games that you have. So they, they got to stay in the running with it. Go ahead, Barrett. I just, I just wonder what's the, the, the ROI, the return on investment for a technology that is exclusive to a machine that is now$900 while also laying off studios for the creative side and actually making software that's available for all PlayStation customers. That's just another thought I have. You got to shut down one studio to buy another one. You got to spend money to make money.

32:42You know what I mean? So in my mind, the reason I love these technologies is there are a lot of studios that could use this technology in a way that could help quicken the optimization process. You know, when we talk about, hey, can we shave off eight months of development optimization time and have Pisser make things look and run better without requiring you to spend that much time at the end of developing the game or whatever? That's pie in the sky. That's idealist Andy thinking, like, here's the best case scenario. Yeah, that sounds like a lot of what the CEOs are trying to preach to us. Like, that's what we're aiming for, right?

33:35But really, it's just like a lot of lost jobs. But it does seem like, hey, we're trying to use this technology to cut down on a lot of development time. And, you know, we'll see if any of that actually works in the future. Because these games are just getting way, way, they're getting increasingly expensive to make. Of course. And that development time is not great for the bottom line. People look at all their development teams and say, it's costing us how much to make this game? How many people at Naughty Dog again? Around 400. How long do you usually make a narrative cinematic game? Six to seven years.