Sony Sues Tencent Over Horizon Zero Dawn Rip-Off - Kinda Funny Games Daily 07.29.25

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3:07What's up everybody. Welcome to kind of funny games daily for Tuesday, July 29th, 2025. I'm one of your hosts, Greg Miller, all alongside Forbes 30 under 30, AKA the second best baby Blues in San Francisco, a.k.a. Level 50 in Pokemon Go at Tim Geddes. Oh, it feels good. Does it feel good? Every morning I wake up, open that app, and I see that level 50. There's not even an experience fire anymore. I've done it. Can it go higher, though? No, you keep getting experience. One day they're going to add 60. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do the whole thing. But for now, I'm at the top of my game. How are you doing, Greg?

3:45I am excellent, Tim. Good. It's good to see you. I'm happy to do a show with you. I haven't done games daily in a while. Yeah. you've been gone I've been gone it's been a lot of people being gone here we are you and I gonna be a good episode let's talk about there is a lot to talk about as always but what I need to know right now Timothy Robert Geddes is what are you playing I haven't heard you talk about games you're playing lately I don't think I can talk about the game that I'll be reviewing fairly soon always exciting vague as possible um but um I am excited to talk about game that game whether I like it or not i can't say but i'm excited about the conversation i appreciate that i appreciate also donkey kong country bonanza um also i don't want to get into this too much but gia's little animal crossing habit oh she's been using that switch and i've been seeing her bop around looking at other games you know what i mean so it's been a little it's been fun i've been pulling things up showing her some things including mario paint that we'll talk about later Oh, I like that.

4:45That's a good one. That's a good one. I like that a lot. Good stuff all around. What have you been playing? Grounded. Yeah, Grounded 2. We just did the review because Mike's got a jet down to play Battlefield. So, yeah, we just did our Grounded 2 review. You can catch that on the Gamescast feeds. Yeah, and then Pokemon Violet, man. I'm all in. I love it. You just keep texting me about this game. It's awesome. Yeah. Well, again, it's the beginner things that I wouldn't know. I'm deeper into a Pokemon game than I've ever been, so those questions come up. But, yeah, Jen was looking at me yesterday.

5:12She's like, saw me playing the game and then stop the game and then go. And she's like, what are you doing? And I'm like, I have an app where I can put in the Pokemon's name, see what types they are. Then I open up my camera app where I take in photos of Ben's little childhood magazine of like all the different who's tax, what, who's strong. I love that. I look at that. So you can just ask me. I'm like, I know, but you're busy doing your work. That's great, though. Yeah, that's good. It'll stick one day. Yeah, I know. Stick for everybody. Yeah. Nick. No, of course not for Nick. Yeah. Come on. I'm 20 times a gamer that I've got to get ready for.

5:40That's true. You know what I mean? I'm reviewing Zah, as you all know. The agreement was if I go to the Pokemon World Championships, I can review Zah. So it seems like a pretty easy ticket to Anaheim, and then I'll do it. I'll just do that, and it'll be great. It'll be a piece of shit. Well, you know, I'm sorry, Tim, that you've never fulfilled your dream, but I'm going to live mine. What? Sonder Atelier says Tim's probably playing Metal Gear Solid Delta. I can tell you one thing. I'm not playing that game. I can tell you another thing. I looked at that and I was like, you silly, silly person.

6:07That game's not coming out for months and months. It's in August. August is days away. Yeah, I know. Wow. I wish we were playing Metal Gear Solid, right? I mean, Metal Gear, that's the end of August, correct? Yeah. I think so. Yeah, 20 somewhere. That is exciting. It's close. Yeah, we're not close enough. That is exciting. You'll have to get closer to that, which sucks, but we'll be there eventually. For now, I'll remind you, of course, that this is Kind of Funny Games Daily each and every weekday on a variety of platforms. We run you through the nerdy video game news need to know about live on twitch.tv slash kindoffunnygames, youtube.com slash kindoffunnygames, podcast services around.

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8:37We'll tell you about that later. For now, let's begin the show with what is and forever will be the Roper Report. Time for some news. Five items on the Roper Report. A baker's dozen.

8:57Something's up with the fog machine. You know what I mean? Number one, Sony files a lawsuit against Tencent for allegedly cloning Horizon series. This is Chris Kerr at Game Developer. Sony Interactive Entertainment, that's S-I-E, has accused Tencent of developing a slavish clone of its popular Horizon series in a new lawsuit. The lawsuit, shared online by GameFile, was filed on July 25th in the Northern District of California and claims that Tencent's upcoming open-world adventure title, Light of Motiram, Motiram, Motiram, Motiram, Motiram, is a blatant and unlawful copy of the Horizon franchise.

9:38We are looking at the trailer right now. You see this trailer? I have not seen it. You have not seen this? No. So we went through this yesterday, being blessed. Yeah. And you're looking at this and like, would you think Horizon? Right off the bat, not. Not that you put it in my head, yes. But like, not really though. Yeah. You're just kind of like, all right, cool. Like, whatever. And then you're starting to go like, okay, I'm not so sure. And then all of a sudden it starts beating you over the head. You're just like, oh, this is a Pal World situation. Yeah. This is, someone's getting in a lot of trouble for this.

10:05Someone's getting sued for this. Someone's going to have to pay some money. Oh, my gosh. It's gorgeous, of course. I mean, it's just a trailer, but. Okay, yeah, now it's. Kev, can you skip ahead again? Even though the tentacles coming out of the ground, this looks like a vault, of course, sure. Where a god that blessed brought destruction. So, okay, yeah, that looks just like the armor. And, yeah, that looks like Aloy riding a men. Oh, that's Aloy. That's 100%. Yeah. you can see the problems here you can definitely see the problems and then you see the gameplay a little bit and you're like oh yeah no oh yeah no yeah somebody's getting sued understandably so and we know that somebody's here and we know who's doing it I'll continue reading SIE explained Horizon has become one of its most valuable intellectual properties since debuting in 2017 and claims Tencent is attempting to benefit from that success by releasing a ripoff that misappropriates the quote overall tone feel sound and appearance of the series well the overall impression conveyed by 10 cents adoption in light of motrium of the same high fidelity post-apocalyptic visual aesthetics blending lush natural environments tribal culture futuristic mechanical elements and ethereal sounds primarily in the soprano register is substantially similar to horizon zero dawn and horizon forbidden west audio visual works and infringes on the copyrights therein or reads the suit tencent is also accused of specifically adopting sony's approach to branding by using a quote red hair female main character end quote to market the title on social media sie claims it's a tactic that reflects a deliberate infringement on the aloy character mark end quote in what is perhaps the wildest accusation in the lawsuit sie claims that tencent previously attempted to licensed the horizon franchise in march 2024 to create a mobile title that would expand the series by incorporating eastern aesthetics end quote the playstation maker says 10 cents pitch was rejected outright and that it considered the matter closed it also however believes 10 cent only made that approach after starting work on light of motram uh and continued to secretly develop the title even after failing to secure the horizon license gorillas horizon franchise has sold over 38 million copies worldwide according to according to the legal complaint

12:25it opened and shut case no straight up i mean look here's the thing they they tried to license horizon like they were trying to make this horizon and then when they couldn't they just they made it like like horizon but like too much like horizon if you're going to do it you gotta if you don't get the license you gotta change up more than this you just simply have to do that yeah I mean I feel like that's that's the end of this and like I feel like any disagreement about that it's like oh everyone's inspired by their art it's like yeah but it's just like you they clearly were inspired they clearly wanted the thing and didn't get it the people that own it said no so you're done unless you do something completely different and this is not completely this is not completely different this is very much the exact same thing we've seen we've seen this so many times and i am shocked at how successful some people have done it we talked a little bit about this yesterday but to go deeper into it power world obviously the biggest example of them going against pokemon and nintendo that's crazy yeah but like good lord looking at those things there's certain parts of it that like unlike this you look at power world you're like all right well the gameplay of power world's nothing like the gameplay of pokemon sure right It's a different game.

13:42You do catch them, but yeah. Yeah, but it's a different game. I know, I know, I know. It's not the same game. It's like the same concepts for the game. The gameplay is entirely different genre. Yeah, yeah. But the look of the characters and all that stuff, like you're stealing these things. In fact, literally stealing the models of some of the characters, like the rigs. 100%. Then there's one of my favorite games the last couple of years. I'm going to say its name. Nico Dorico, The Magical World. I don't understand what's going on there. I love the game. Absolutely love the game. they're stealing so much like so much and i don't understand how they got away with it besides the fact that i don't think enough people played for it to really register to anybody but like looking at that game so many things about the specific the specifics yeah yeah 100 i'm like huh how are they getting away with this and then here we have tens of doing this and it's like all right you're not getting away with this like you're getting sued but like what's gonna happen because you look at the power they didn't stop power from existing yeah i think it'll be interesting so i am not a legal scholar as anyone knows i think this one is stopped in its tracks and doesn't actually come out or there's some giant settlement or whatever but i i don't think sony allows this to come out whereas pal world came out and that's really when it got the limelight thrown on it like what the fuck is this what are you doing and then they've been sued and then had to settle with some Pokemon companies since then, right?

15:08Like, I feel like this one, you're nipping in the bud enough of like, you're going to see this and I can't imagine they get away with it. Like, the courts got a side with them and then you're into big companies. I know we're talking about Tencent, this giant Chinese company, but like, clearly there's enough litigation across the ocean here to stop this and make it not happen. Or again, to send it back to the drawing board and do something dramatically different with everything. Yeah. It's kind of shocking. the balls that they would have to do this well this is again the the problem i and that's not the right terminology i guess but when you are tencent you're this large right like tencent is humongous and has its tendrils in just about every other gaming company right so it's like at some point you've got to start wondering what they think they can get away with right and that's what you come into this situation it will be interesting to see legally what actually happens here yeah it's pretty wild to think they can get away with this though like like this that just is such a bullish decision in in so many different ways like down to the ethereal soprano sounds yeah and like as silly as that sounds it's like yeah like when you have all these elements when it was just that you don't have a case at all but when it's that and look at the characters and the gameplay and just the history of the pitch and all of it it's like oh man you knew this you knew this world very well to come in and do this yeah rough we'll see i want I'm more interested of when does the next beat happen?

16:31When do we get an update about this? I don't think they'll go to court. So do they settle? Does it just kill the game? Does it whatever? Because even if I'm PlayStation, I don't think it's a money issue, right? So it's like, I just don't want this to come out and harm the IP. I don't want this to come out and see people look at this and think it's Horizon and then be upset or one way or the other with it, right? And have an opinion that we're losing control of the IP. So in PlayStation's best interests, this needs to die. So I don't know if you can do a settlement right where you actually come out of this.

17:01Unless again, you go back to the drawing board and you completely change the entire look of the game. Yeah. But even then, I feel like that would take too much time. But again, Tencent has deep pockets. Who knows? Outrageous. Outrageous. Be interesting to see how this one nets out. For now, we'll move on to story number two. Another outrageous story. Following Suicide Squad's flop, Warner Brothers is hiring for another live service game. This is Jordan Midler, the big man at VGC. They learned the problems. Despite the high-profile failure of Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League, Warner Brothers is hiring for a new live service game.

17:35Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League was released last year, which is a... I can't believe that. Is that a true statement? Last year Suicide Squad came out? Very early. And was met with middling reviews and fan backlash. Developed by Batman Arkham Studio Rocksteady, the game's live service approach and take on the DC Universe left fans unhappy. leading to weak sales and small player numbers. Now, a job listing for an upcoming project from Warner Brothers Games suggests the company isn't finished with its attempt to establish a live service title in the DC universe. The job listing for an executive producer says the successful applicant will, quote, lead the development of a high-quality AAA game based on one of the iconic IPs from the vast Warner Brothers and DC Comics catalog, end quote.

18:22The job listing notes the role includes, quote, overseeing all phases of development from concept to post-launch live operations and quote suggesting a live service element to the mystery project timothy yeah this cannot be what it sounds like right um i think it is greg did you hear the news that warner brothers discovery is rebranding back to warner brothers yes again yeah because they're doing that again we went back to hbo max that was a good move exactly yeah um so what's old is new again yes of course we're going back to this it's the only way um i legitimately am not surprised i am very disappointed and i feel like there are so many messes going on over at warner in almost every single kind of vertical that they have going on yeah and it absolutely sucks to see the game side be hit so hard by those bad decisions and at a certain point I have to question if it's too far gone like the conversations around Warner Brothers games with WB games for the last 15 years has went from one of story pride and success to you're a laughing stock you are the expectations the headline is going to skew incredibly negative and you're going to get piled on for rightful reasons of you're doing dumb shit that people don't like and this just seems like they're going to continue going down that path like what's their answer here it's like oh well suicide squad that was the problem we'll do the superman game people are asking for a superman game or fucking batman it's going to be doing a batman game those let's just go back to what works that was the problem with this and then it's like well y 'all did gotham knights as well and we often forget about gotham Knights because it was in such close proximity to Suicide Squad and Suicide Squad was the bigger bomb.

20:19But Gotham Knights also didn't live up to expectations for any of those teams or the brand IP, all of that. Gaming in general at that point. Third party AAA gaming. And you look at this and I feel like, finger on the pulse, it's a Batman live service game with Batman in the title. no they can't be though that's what it's going to be right this is just hey we fucked up what lessons can we learn but like couldn't the lesson couldn't the world I feel like sometimes with these job postings you put out postings and you put up what the role would require and you kind of toss in a gajillion things that might not fit again our underoos are in a bunch here because overseeing all phases of development from concept to post launch live operations.

21:17I am not there writing the post. I am not the HR department. I am not part of the studio. I am what I couldn't post launch live operations. Just be a suit. We're launching as DLC tied into it. We're doing this. We're some crossover with one of the 15 other mobile DC games. Nobody gives a shit about like, couldn't it be that? It doesn't need to be a battle pass and DLC is about 12 brainiacs. And here's how we're nickel and diming you for this thing. It could just be to post launch live operations. Just after launch, every game is still live for the most part. Unless even Outriders, which we said isn't a live service.

21:59They still do DLC. There's still a lot of things they need to worry about. Yeah, absolutely. Maybe there's an online co-op to this. Not an online co-op. There's an online component. Maybe that's all it is. Maybe. And yeah, you're right. but I don't know if it's more alarmist to think that you're wrong or if it is just looking at the patterns that they've presented to us the last couple years. CJ splits on super chat and says, couldn't it just be injustice three? I mean, yeah, it could be, it could, but when you look at the patterns of what they do, I don't think so. I know. I don't think we're getting an injustice three.

22:35I don't think we are saying that because you didn't play on justice to Greg. Well, yeah, They stop making fucking DC games that are fighting games. You're getting an Invincible game, Greg. I can't fuck. Oh, it's a fucking fighting game. Great. Cool. Thanks, Kirkman, for fucking nothing. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I don't know. But yeah, this isn't necessarily doom and gloom, but I'm telling you, it's not good news.

22:59Do you think whatever game they're even working on comes out? I don't know. I feel like, again, Warner Brothers games. I mean, that's the thing. is like legitimately like i'm not trying to just be like oh the sky is falling i have no the sky fell i have no faith in warner brothers making decisions it has nothing to do about the talent involved or whatever and i mean and at the same time anything can happen we haven't seen back girl yet we got the fucking like snyder cut they went back and shot and wasted so much goddamn money making the snyder cut that was good money to spend and and oh yeah i'm sure very healthy for the entire movie industry, comic book industry.

23:33All good decisions there. And then we have Acme versus Coyote. Coming back miraculously. Anything can happen with this shit. It doesn't matter. South Park fucking leaving HBO Max tomorrow. All right. Trump's naked on Paramount+. The world makes no fucking sense. Now that's accurate. Everything you just said. But it all goes back to one thing, Warner. they fucked it all up they continue to fuck it up I still feel like they're going to get out of the video game business as we've known them to be in it we've been talking about that for so long I know but now they're really losing money yeah but like that that's the thing is like yeah oh they're going to be acquired by XYZ over the last six years I swear to god we have as a unit kind of shifted from they're probably going to go here to they're probably going to go here to they're probably just going to die to they're just going to sell off nether realm it's like we've talked about every single permutation permutation and any of them at any point were equally possible and they still are because it's warner brothers there's just in the same way nintendo makes weird decisions warner as a entity i feel has lost sight of control and they make decisions that are based on what they need to do right in the second for all of their media empire and it is plugging holes in dams which means you're going to see failures in a bunch of different spaces.

24:57When you focus here, it causes problems there and it just keeps going. And I think they've done that so long that you look at the game side of things and I have just no faith in anything. Wonder Woman. Don't bring her up. Wonder Woman. Where is she? She's dead, Greg. She's dead, everybody. They killed her. They couldn't do it. But that's why I just don't see... I just don't... Lead the development of a high quality triple A game based on one of the iconic IPs from the vast Warner Brothers and DC Comics catalog. It's Batman. And that's not a bad thing. No, I'd take a Batman game, sure. Would love Superman game, but I don't trust the current Warner Brothers to make a Superman game that isn't dog shit.

25:46Hmm. A big old problem, ain't it? Big old problem. Big old problem. And not to make this a Marvel vs. DC thing, but you look at Marvel games and the way that they've done things. And I'm not saying that every game they've done has been a runaway hit, but many have been, and they've taken swings that are interesting and try to do cool partnerships. Just hosting the Marvel cosmic invasion. Can't wait. That game looks awesome. Tribute games. Hey, there's an idea here. There was an idea. Get a team together and put them in a nineties, two D side scroller, beat them up. That's all you got to do. And it's going to work.

26:22It looks freaking awesome. Yeah. For DC. why not you know you've been downloading these mobile games yeah i have not greg have you yeah i download them all and i try them once and i delete them yeah like as much a dc fan as i am i can't get down with this i'm sorry i apologize it just i feel like the the management of the warner brothers ip dc ip the teams that they have all of that is just off dc could be taking their characters and going out to so many talented developers and being like let's make this type a game with these characters it doesn't need to be this giant live action or live service triple a thing that is not going to get the results we need we can start building some blocks and steps and stones to get where we're trying to get so that we can put out a bigger thing that makes sense at one day we're not there you're not there you lost this you lost it wonder woman's dead don't remind me Kuma might be a year too early for an Injustice 3 Netherrealm just finished development on MK1 although Ed Boone hinted at more balance changes for MK1 remember we're not saying it would come out this year we're saying they're hiring people to help work on this game that's coming out and lead it into live service territory afterward whatever that may mean yeah it's interesting because I hold out zero hope for DC games you know what I mean like every time we sit down and we're getting ready for a new showcase a Jeff show I I believe sky's the limit on Marvel I don't know what they're proven we're getting a Marvel anime themed fighting game yeah what yeah it's Capcom has nothing to do with it's Arc system works yeah incredible of course you're gonna get Captain America Black Panther I don't believe that I'm still iffy on that or Amy yeah still iffy on that that is one of the things I hope i am so wrong on and i honestly am kind of tripling down at this point uh more than i actually believe it doesn't exist well i still don't really believe it's a video game we'll wait and see i don't know it's just but marvel i do believe they can do anything they've shown it like even and to your point not every marvel game is a hit not every game is good avengers but it's their biggest one was a miss well i mean it's because nobody supported it and wanted to support the vision like me goldfarb tim tim fray hussain did great sean norton did we had a great group there nothing wrong with these guys not 100 uh but anyways at least they did it i'll never ever forget going to see that age of ultron screening with you and they debuted marvel games and bill roseman came out mike jones came out who mike jones and they said hey here's what we're doing here's what the label is i think the first thing they were they showed that day it was telltale right when they were doing gardens of the galaxy and again various quality on what you think of that or whatever i didn't i never played past episode one but what they've done with this partnership and not having an internal team is so brilliant and i have no fucking idea how warner brothers can have their fingers so far off the pulse that they couldn't figure this out even the the more upsetting thing about that greg is while that's true they have what marvel games doesn't which is a slew of incredibly talented developers that they own like it is they they have the ip and the talent to make the games yeah but then i think we're just back into what a corporate structure looks like and why this is all fucked by capitalism and not just to be that guy but then to explain it more of the fact that when you have that you're just a cog in the fucking warner brothers discovery i'm sorry warner brothers machine now right and so if your department isn't making double digit growth over the next fiscal year then they go fuck what you're doing stop making these single player Batman games and go make something that can go do this and go make a live service and go make and it's like you're gonna get back girl you're gonna get back to get rooster teeth you're gonna get Wonder Woman yep and it's like the list goes on yeah that's so scary man and we're talking about DC yeah not a company and I'm this isn't shade of Marvel but not a company that licensed all their characters out in a weird way that then like everything's fucked up and you can't get it back and you can't do it You have everybody.

30:30You have everything. Yeah, they fucked up on their own. Just go. Except for the Schuster's. They get in their way sometimes. But you know what I mean. I digress. It's a mad interview, everybody. I'm angry, everybody. All right? We don't need to be angry anymore. We're going to take a breath. We're going to take a break. We're going to remind you, of course, we wouldn't be here without your support. You can pick up a Kind of Funny membership on Patreon.com slash Kind of Funny. YouTube.com slash Kind of Funny. Games. Apple and Spotify to get all of our shows ad free and get your daily dose of me, Greg Miller.

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