In short
Ubisoft reportedly canceled a planned Star Wars Outlaws sequel (Star Wars Outlaws 2) very early in development, with discussion of why the first game underperformed and what kind of Star Wars game would work better. The hosts also cover Elden Ring: Night Reign adding two-player co-op (“duo expeditions”) on July 30, and debate whether multiplayer should be “live service” or a self-contained release.
Guests
No guest interviews. Hosts are Blessing (at AOA Jr.) and “Snowbike Mike” (Mike). They reference other Kind of Funny staff (e.g., Roger, Greg, Tim, Nick Scarpino) but they are not guests in this episode.
Key claims
- Ubisoft views Star Wars Outlaws as a failure and canceled Outlaws 2 due to Star Wars brand “choppy water” at launch.
- Open-world fatigue and Ubisoft’s “samey” design contributed; Star Wars wasn’t enough to make it stand out.
- Elden Ring: Night Reign’s duo mode addresses a previously overlooked omission; bosses may be tuned for 3-player play.
- Multiplayer can succeed without long-term live-service devotion.
Notable examples
- Metacritic/user score discussion for Star Wars Outlaws (critics ~75, users ~5.5).
- Comparisons to Assassin’s Creed/Far Cry for Ubisoft’s open-world formula.
- Avatar as “Far Cry re-skinned.”
- Legends (Ghost of Tsushima) as a successful multiplayer model.
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Chapters
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0:03 to 0:31
Discussion about weekend plans and gaming experiences.
“So you were scrolling on Marketplace and there it was, the bike you'd been searching for.”
Weekend Plans and Game Sessions
2:20 to 4:19
Discussion about weekend plans and gaming experiences.
“I'm watching a, I'm going to a dance show.”
Solo Streaming Ideas
4:19 to 5:50
Conversation about potential solo streaming topics and ideas.
“I'm just like, when you play 10 hours of it with Mike specifically, you start to wear out a little bit.”
Games and Housekeeping
5:50 to 7:48
Updates on games being played and housekeeping announcements.
“I want more ideas, but enough about that.”
Discussion on Cancelled Star Wars Outlaws Sequel
7:48 to 9:06
Insights on the cancellation of Star Wars Outlaws sequel and its implications.
“After Gamescast is Fantastic Four, First Steps in Review.”
Analyzing the Star Wars Franchise
9:06 to 14:00
An analysis of the Star Wars franchise's current state and its impact on games.
“Today we're brought to you by Mood and Factor, but we'll tell you about that later.”
Analysis of Star Wars Outlaws Cancellation
14:00 to 20:04
Discussion on the reasons behind the cancellation of Star Wars Outlaws 2 and its implications.
“Why can't we make that really, really great and nail this?”
Open World Fatigue and Game Quality
20:04 to 23:13
Exploration of the challenges facing open-world games and the importance of innovation.
“and you're not, this doesn't feel like a loss at all.”
Potential for a New Star Wars Game
23:13 to 28:00
Ideas for a new Star Wars game format, focusing on linear gameplay and character development.
“From Software announced on Friday that it's adding duo expeditions in a patch coming on July 30th, allowing you to take on enemies across Limveld with one other friend.”
The Shift in Game Development Philosophy
28:00 to 29:40
Explore the evolving mindset in the gaming industry regarding live service games.
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Understanding Multiplayer Game Success
29:40 to 31:30
Discusses how multiplayer games can achieve success without being live service models.
The Challenge of Marketing Multiplayer Games
31:30 to 33:10
Examines the current hurdles in marketing standalone multiplayer experiences.
“And that's like that one-off super streamer game, and they're also changing the map every single day, which makes it a live service title because it's live and every updating and evolving.”
Sony's Approach to Multiplayer and Live Service
33:10 to 35:00
Analyzes Sony's strategy for multiplayer games and their focus on live service.
“because that requires$120 from you and your group to jump in, right?”
Evolving Perspectives on Live Service Games
35:00 to 36:40
Discusses the negative connotations of live service and how perceptions can shift.
“have played that game take that spit it out charge 20 bucks whatever the fuck for it so what was in of tea leaves back then to have these teams stop doing that.”
Potential for Assassin's Creed Multiplayer
36:40 to 38:20
Speculates on the revival of multiplayer in the Assassin's Creed franchise.
“as a live service doesn't make sense, Bluepoint.”
The Future of Armored Core and Multiplayer
38:20 to 40:00
Considers the viability of Armored Core as a multiplayer franchise.
“And I would just encourage all the viewers and audience out there to remember live service is a really crazy umbrella that can be used in all different ways.”
Discussion on Splinter Cell and Legends Mode
42:00 to 43:23
The hosts explore the potential of a new Splinter Cell and share thoughts on the Legends mode of Ghost of Tsushima.
“But we will see in the future what other games try to dip into that.”
Discussion on Splinter Cell and Legends Mode
45:45 to 47:13
The hosts explore the potential of a new Splinter Cell and share thoughts on the Legends mode of Ghost of Tsushima.
“So you were scrolling on Marketplace and there it was, the bike you'd been searching for.”
Discussion on Splinter Cell and Legends Mode
47:16 to 47:29
The hosts explore the potential of a new Splinter Cell and share thoughts on the Legends mode of Ghost of Tsushima.
“Getting help from one of State Farm's 19 ,000 local agents when you choose to bundle home and auto.”
Wolfenstein TV Series Announcement
47:29 to 48:30
The hosts discuss the development of a Wolfenstein TV series and share their excitement about its potential.
“Coverage options are selected by the customer.”
Magic: The Gathering Meets Final Fantasy
48:30 to 54:21
The hosts talk about the success of Magic: The Gathering's Final Fantasy expansion and its impact on the franchise.
Future of Gaming Crossovers
54:21 to 56:00
The hosts speculate on the future of video game crossovers and potential franchises for collaboration.
“But yeah, this was like the right mix of it all.”
Video Game Franchise Ideas
56:00 to 59:56
Discussing potential video game franchises inspired by existing IPs.
“because they're not going to do Pokemon because Pokemon does their own thing.”
We News Segment Introduction
59:56 to 1:01:00
Transitioning to a segment covering smaller gaming news stories.
“The large company sees dollar signs from them.”
Latest Gaming News Updates
1:01:00 to 1:03:06
Covering various recent updates and acquisitions in the gaming industry.
“an indie studio that's based all remotely.”
Exciting Game Announcements
1:03:06 to 1:04:26
Discussing exciting new game announcements and their potential impact.
“I forget which season he was in, but he's definitely in the cartoon.”
Audience Interaction and Recommendations
1:04:26 to 1:10:05
Engaging with audience questions and providing game recommendations.
Discussing Game Recommendations and Sequels
1:10:05 to 1:11:58
The hosts share game recommendations and reflect on the current state of game sequels.
Reflections on Game Development and Sequels
1:11:58 to 1:13:13
Exploring the challenges of game development timelines and the impact on sequels.
“I understand that that's not possible because of how things have scaled up.”
Reflections on Game Development and Sequels
1:13:45 to 1:14:13
Exploring the challenges of game development timelines and the impact on sequels.
“Avatar Fire and Ash is now streaming on Disney+.”
Reflections on Game Development and Sequels
1:14:41 to 1:15:42
Exploring the challenges of game development timelines and the impact on sequels.
“Your sleep, your privacy, the way every room looks and feels.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00This episode is brought to you by Facebook. So you were scrolling on Marketplace and there it was, the bike you'd been searching for. You sent a message and it turned out the seller was super chatty, kind of funny, and an avid cyclist. The next thing you know, you're in a cycling crew. Well, a community cycling group. The thing about Facebook, you might find more than what you're looking for. From a browse to a bike ride, this summer, find more on Facebook. Hey Chicago, class it up with Crocs. You know back to school is coming in fast. So why wait to find your new fave footwear? Step into a local Crocs store and step into your new look.
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1:56Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Today's stories include ubisoft has reportedly scrapped a star wars outlaw sequel elden ring night rain adds its most requested feature and wolfenstein is getting a tv show from the fallout team love all this and more because this is kind of funny games daily
2:20Blessing Adeoye Jr.:yo what's up welcome to kind of funny games daily for friday july 25th 2025 i'm one of your hosts blessing at aoa jr joining me is the master of hype snowback mike bless what up happy friday you're a little farther away than usual to me to me yeah a little far today scoot in scoot in i don't like that but you set the cameras yeah don't worry about it that's roger's fault well here's that's your thing i'm not gonna blame you know what i mean trying to keep us away from each other you gotta keep like a circle of blame so like if we're all blaming roger then roger feels pressure so you blame roger roger will blame me i'll blame greg greg will blame tim we'll have it all going.
2:53Blast, happy Friday. It's great to see you. How are you? I'm doing well.
2:57Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I'm very excited for the weekend. Okay. Yeah, I'm taking a flight down to L.A. Last minute flight down to L.A. Yeah, hanging out with people. I'm watching a, I'm going to a dance show. There's a big hip-hop dance competition. You love dancing. That's happening, yeah, down in L.A., and so I'm going to watch people follow hip-hop dance. The Royal Family are going to be dancing down in L.A., so I'm going to watch them, hanging out with people. It's going to be a good time. Do you think you'll dance a little bit? No. I don't think it's that kind of dance show, no. You don't think the dancing is so good and the music so live that you might stand up out of your seats and start dancing?
3:26Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Not with these guys, no. They're too good. They're too good. How are you doing? How's your morning? I'm feeling good, Bless. You know, I haven't danced in a while, and I love dancing. I've been playing a lot of video games. I played three video games last night. I know you're telling me about Clutch Time. Clutch Time, a basketball deck builder. A jabroni in my chat recommended that to me last night. $15 on stream, and you know what? I had a really good time, then I circled back to it after five hours of playing some games. So I played that last night. Then we've been playing nothing but Wildgate.
3:57Bless already 10 plus hours since Tuesday into this game. Cannot get enough. Here's the thing. You invited me to play some Wildgate.
4:04Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I thought we were playing yesterday, but then our schedule got all messed up yesterday. And then we have it on schedule next week, possibly to play Wildgate. But then I overheard. It sounded like Roger's not into Wildgate. No, the hype and the love from this team will be dead by Friday for Wildgate. Unfortunately, we have to change our plans. No, Wildgate is good. I'm just like, when you play 10 hours of it with Mike specifically, you start to wear out a little bit. When Mike starts to be like, hey, let's do this crazy thing. And you're like, I don't know if that's a good idea. I think this is the last game we're going to play.
4:32And he's like, also, it's not your last game. You have to come back. Roger doesn't like the one more game. Roger's a very strict. He's going to give you two good hours, and then he gets Ty Ty. Snowbike Mike, I'm going to give you six.
4:45Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I'm going to give you six. I'm going to give you six. I'm going to give you six. I don't like you saying that. I could give you way more, you know what I mean? but I'll give you a strong six out there. A strong six inches. That's what they call me. That's crazy. First of all, you think, right? We'll see where we come back around next week as far as this wild game happening now, right? I'm scheduled for a solo stream. You are? Next week. I'm actually very excited about it. I never get to do a solo stream. I did one briefly the other week playing a bit of Tony Hawk Pro Skater, which was fun. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
5:12Blessing Adeoye Jr.:But that was kind of like a last minute, oh, we need people to fill in kind of thing. Now I got time to think about what I want to do. You got a full week to think, what does Blessing Eddie O.A. Jr. and you'll want to stream out to the kind of funny best friend audience. What do you want me to stream solo on the kind of funny games channel? Because the idea just came to mind. Maybe this is where I start Liza P, the DLC. Oh, okay. Yeah. Andy's been trying to get me to play that. I could play Magic Arena, do maybe a little like magic, you know, foundational. Hey, if you've not been keeping up with the rules and all that stuff, I do a little workshop for the audience.
5:44Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I like that. A little workshop. A little workshop for the audience. You can always point back and say, hey, if you need a refresher, if you want to learn, Blessing has got a workshop video up and available. So those are the two options. If you have more options, let me know. Super chat in. Let me know. What should Blessing stream next week? Right now, the options are Liza P. Overture and Blessing teaches magic. I love that, Blessing. All right. I want more ideas, but enough about that. Remember, this is Kind of Funny Games Daily. Each and every week that we run you through the nerdy news you need to know about live on YouTube, Twitch, and on podcast services around the globe.
6:15Blessing Adeoye Jr.:if you love what we do support us with the kind of funny membership on patreon youtube and now spotify and apple podcast to get all of our shows ad free watch us record them live and get a daily exclusive show for a chance to be a part of the show some of your thoughts and opinions as youtube super chats as we go also did i interrupt you you're talking about games you said you played three games that's it that's it okay well we we played super vibe but we only played one that is the battle royale top down isometric viewpoint yeah kind of a twin stick shooter It's the one from the streamers, right?
6:47Blessing Adeoye Jr.:The streamers made this game. Oh, really? I'm asking you. Maybe. I don't know much about this. All I know is it came out in like a beta play test. People have been playing it for a while. Now it's finally kind of out as of yesterday. We jumped in for one games. The boys didn't love it. They said no more. I would have given it a couple more games. I'm looking it up. Super Vive developed by TheoryCraft Games, published by NetEase. Yes. I mean, it looks cool. I mean, maybe it looks aimed toward like a streaming community kind of thing. All right, that's cool. It's trying to fit into something different in the Battle Royale genre.
7:21Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Something a little different. This is so not a me game, but also I dig the look of it. I like the branding. I like the Super Vibes logo. Okay, I like that. Housekeeping for you. We're an 11-person business all about live talk shows. So today, after KFGD, you're going to get Gamescast, which is more DK Bonanza impressions now that more people here have played it. I'm giving my official review of DK Bonanza. I saw you beat it. I saw I went to a couple of days ago. I went to Blessing Junior TV. Yep, Blessing Junior TV, the YouTube channel. On YouTube channel. I saw you at three hours of the finale.
7:49Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Yep. Very exciting stuff. Very exciting. I'm very excited to talk about it. After Gamescast is Fantastic Four, First Steps in Review. And then after that is Game Showdown, Episode 2 of the Nick Scarpino Takeover season. Then after that is a sponsored Star Racer stream. If you're a kind of funny member, today's Gregway is, according to Greg, none of your business. You'll enjoy it. It's a full quote. Okay, Roger, is he trying to steal our vibe? Yeah, I don't like this. Is that close? Because he says, none of your business, end quote, don't watch it. But me and Roger, we told people last week, don't watch our Friday episode.
8:25It's the worst one yet. Just please. The reverse psychology. Save us the embarrassment.
8:29Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I got to see what this is about. No, we really meant like, please don't watch this. We actually meant so. It was an issue. It was reverse psychology. No, it actually wasn't. It became that, though, but we didn't like that. It's good marketing. What happened in it? A lot. It was bad. It was like that. Nick Scarpino. Let me just tell you what. Nick Scarpino and Tim Geddes came into the Greg Way recording, right? Tim left in disgust. Like, it was like one of those where he was like, that was too far and walked away. And I was like, ah, shit. I love when Nick goes too far. No, it was Mike that went too far, which was an issue.
9:00I'm not used to that.
9:01Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Thank you to our Patreon producers, Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster, and Delaney the Psalm Twining. Today we're brought to you by Mood and Factor, but we'll tell you about that later. For now, let's begin with what is, and forever will be, the Roper Report. It's time for some news. We have seven stories today. A Baker's dozen! Starting with our number one, Ubisoft has reportedly scrapped a sequel to Star Wars Outlaws. This is Joshua Robertson at The Gamer. Star Wars Outlaws was a pretty decent game when it launched last year, But in today's brutal cutthroat industry, quote, pretty decent doesn't cut it for the biggest publishers out there.
9:45Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Ubisoft has outright stated that Star Wars Outlaws is considered a failure at the company, suggesting that it was due to the Star Wars brand being in, quote, choppy water at the time of its release. Unfortunately, Star Wars Outlaws, we're going to circle back to that. I know y 'all talked about this. I highlighted that one for us. Yeah, we're coming back around to that. Didn't like that. Because I want to talk about it too. unfortunately star wars outlaws is now doomed to become another long forgotten ubisoft open world game especially since it seems though as though the publisher has no intention of working with the game again according to ubisoft insider tom henderson the company's opinion of star wars outlaws has changed so radically that it canceled a sequel to the game that it that had been planned this comes from the latest episode of insider gaming's weekly podcast during which henderson claims that ubisoft had planned on making star wars outlaws 2 but scrapped very very very early plans to start production quote they also recently canceled star wars outlaws 2 because that was planned and in the works says henderson it didn't end her production as far as i know it wasn't set in stone end quote mike what's your first reaction to that first reaction sound sounds about right sounds on par for the course right now for ubisoft and what they're currently doing with their game offerings and what they're trying to achieve with focusing on the tentpole titles, trying to get around the moneymakers and kind of get back to the good graces of the gamers and probably really big profitability on the flip side.
11:12I just don't know. Bless. I mean, Star Wars outlaws came out and seemed to be mixed on the vibes of this game. And so when you say, Hey Mike, they're not making Star Wars outlaws too. I'm not really surprised.
11:24Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Yeah. That's the thing is that this is one of those new stories where it's news but also at the same time it's not like shocking or you know like revolting right like video games get canceled all the time early on in development we just don't hear about them the reason why we're hearing about this one is because it's a sequel to like a high it's a big ip it's ubisoft there's like so many things that i think i understand why tom henderson would bring this up as a talking point because it's something that people would definitely want to know and you know there's a lot to extract there as far as info that comes out of that because you're talking about all right what's up with ubisoft you might be talking about what's up with star wars you might be talking about what's up with ubisoft's relationship with star wars because going back good going back to it right of them talking about um the suggestion that it was due to star wars the star wars brand being in choppy water uh at time of its release that being the reason for why star wars outlaws didn't do well i kind of give it the face yeah you give it the face because like i think there's two sides this one we all get that we all can understand when you say choppy waters the fatigue of certain franchises right the Marvel fatigue that some of us feel the Star Wars fatigue that some of us feel this kind of idea that all of these IPs that we know that you should just be movies that would be one to every three years that would come out we'd all get excited and celebrated now have become hey every single year we have a brand new 8 to 12 episode TV show that you have to watch and a lot of those aren't that great or they're just good and you get kind of burnt out of like this is just too much i don't know if i'm into this right this moment but on the flip side these are beloved franchises that everybody can get around and when they're great guess what they're great and we're all in on that you can't tell me a great star wars game wouldn't be great in choppy waters downtime bad time anytime this it came out how many months after uh star wars jedi survivor like one year like 11 months so they're not to 11 uh like 13 to 15 months after that right like that's that game came out in the same ecosystem like those were both after the last big star wars movie of course there's been tv shows and stuff like that right but like i i it's a very fascinating thing um for them to talk about in that way because on one hand to your point like i kind of get it as far as yeah like ips have their ebb and flow as far as our fans into it our fans not into it but on the same in the same breath right i go over to wikipedia i have an article open that is titled list of highest grossing media franchises at number one you got pokemon all right and number two mickey mouse and friends number three winnie the pooh number four star wars top five highest grossing franchises you're gonna look at me you're gonna tell me ah man you know it's the ip ip's in a weird place man nobody wants a star wars thing right now it's like no people want to start people always want a star wars thing that's the reality of star wars we get bad star wars things and they still do well that's how much of a big ass media franchise that star wars is and so you got to look deeper when you're talking about star wars outlaws for why it failed and then also why you wouldn't green light a sequel because that's the bigger news story here we've talked about like their um their quote here about star wars as a franchise for you star wars outlaws 2 is that a good idea or a bad idea in the eyes of snowmike mike it's almost ubisoft's bread and butter and what they're known for is the open world adventure games right and it feels like star wars outlaws is that game for them right this idea of traversing the galaxy jumping from planet to planet being an outlaw a uh you know trying to go on the ultimate heist and going around and doing different open world stealth missions would be kind of the ideal situation for ubisoft for me when i think of that that is far cry that is Assassin's Creed in a Star Wars skin.
15:12Why can't we make that really, really great and nail this? And I don't know what happened on this one because I didn't play it. I've been on a big open world fatigue of gameplay-wise, and I've been putting those off. And so I did not jump into this. But for Ubisoft, this seems like a must-do, must-have. But there's something else because Star Wars, the one by the Apex team. Jedi Survivor. Totally different, right? Yeah. linear intense combat cool characters cool story that is hitting for them why is this open open
15:45Blessing Adeoye Jr.:world hitting for ubisoft i think there's a few things you can point to i don't know the right answer but i think there's a few things you mentioned this is assassin's creed this is far cry right like this should this is ubisoft's bread and butter the thing that i'd counter with is i'd say this is assassin's creed this is far cry this is watchdogs like we get this game from you over and over and over again avatar avatar yes like you've made this game for the for two decades for like almost two decades we've seen this game over and over and over and when i say a ubisoft game you know what that is in your brain right and it's funny because ubisoft makes other games they make rainbow six they make you know fucking rayman they make other shit sometimes they make the fucking roller champions marble ball game um yeah they make other shit but Riders Republic.
16:33Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Riders Republic, which Riders Republic still is kind of in the same mold of the Ubisoft game that we talk about. But I think, one, there is the fatigue. And I think that's a big part of it. I think also a big part of it is just the quality level that Ubisoft delivers at. Where Star Wars out, I'm going to look up the Metacritic. What's your guess for the Metacritic? I have the Metacritic up in front of me right now. Tell me. Blessing, if you could imagine it, the Metacritic score from the critics is 75. And that sounds about right. The user score from 3 ,082 users, it's 5.5. Yeah. And here's the thing.
17:07Blessing Adeoye Jr.:User score. There's so many different elements to this. Keeping on the quality of it. You tell me it's 75 for Star Wars Outlaws. And I go, yeah, that sounds about right. 7 out of 10. Good game. 7 out of 10. Good game. Not exceptional. A game that you'd go, that's just fine. Yeah. A game that kind of fits in and you might get lost in the conversation. That's an element of it. I think there's also the unfortunate element. you talk about that 5.5 user score there, this game was caught up in controversy. And I think a lot of it is unfair. In fact, maybe the vast majority of it is unfair when you're talking about the way people looked at this game.
17:42Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Oh man, you have this protagonist that is a female protagonist, or you have like, you know, all Ubisoft has an agenda or they're fighting back against all of the bad word of mouth that they've been getting on social media from a bigoted crowd of people that are, that have bad shit to say about this, right? Like, That's beyond your control. That's you, you know, wanting to have a game that can star a, you know, a new character, a character that is a woman, a character that might not appeal to the male gaze, whatever it is. You're going to have people come out in droves on the Internet and fucking hate on it because that's the world we live in.
18:15Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Right. I think that's an element to it, too. But I think all in all, beyond that, even like this game, I don't think you had you just didn't give this game the sauce that it needed to stand out as a Star Wars thing. I don't think it's the Star Wars that takes away from it. But like if you take a big franchise, if you take one of the biggest IPs in the world and you don't do anything special with it, it's going to get lost still. Star Wars isn't enough to make this game shine on its own. You need to have a great game on top of that. I mean, it's the franchise that brings us in, right? The idea that they're making a new Star Wars game is what gets us all interested and excited.
18:49and then when you break it down of it's a Ubisoft game you can kind of expect what you're going to see here with the open world the same emissions going on in each different area and I think they just are having a tough time breaking that mold because it is so designed and all of the gamers to understand what it is be excited for that and we always now here in 2025 and even before that want something different want something new and it is hard to break that theme of hey a lot of these missions are going to be very samey We don't know how to change the design to really capture you because we've tried so many and we've either learned from them or these are just the ones that work.
19:27You go from point A to point B. You climb up this tower, reveal the map. You're going to go over here, fight five guys in a cave. Like there's not much else that they have really wiggle room to do here that hasn't been done. And so it just feels so samey. And when you bring up Ubisoft in particular, right, my mind jumps now to Avatar. and what they did with that franchise that is just Far Cry re-skinned as Avatar and that's just a solid 7 out of 10 game again, right? Where you have these franchises and we just kind of get in the middle of, they're just good. They're not great, they're not bad, they're just
20:00Blessing Adeoye Jr.:here, existing. So Star Wars Outlaws 2, not happening and you're not, this doesn't feel like a loss at all. No, if I'm Ubisoft, this is not a loss, right? We are focusing on the money makers, we have to do that. Mike, The player, the gamer. Yeah. I mean, I want to see more France. I want to play this shit. I want to see more Star Wars. I like the smuggler aspect of Star Wars. I like the idea of putting on heists. Maybe not open world, right? What is that game that can be like an Indiana Jones where it is a little more linear? We are going on 12 kind of structured missions to put on an uncharted-esque theme and have it fun like that.
20:42Maybe that's where you should have gone with it in my mind to get me in. You want Snow Mike to jump into a Star Wars Outlaws that is something like that? Make it Uncharted.
20:52Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Make it Indiana Jones. I'm there. I think that's the one more thing that I left out that I was going to mention that I didn't mention in my list of ways that this game fell short. Is it tough to sell a Star Wars video game where the main character isn't swinging a lightsaber? we ask for the gun slinging let's i want to be a bounty hunter i want to be han solo i want to explore the world and you know i want to be cool and do crimes like i want to be cool do crime i want to go talk with jabba the hut and be part of the undercity the underworld and see all that do you think that might have been a big part of like why this game was lacking the appeal on the marketing side you didn't have the main character holding a lightsaber on the box no i don't think so because people see Han Solo and love Han Solo.
21:40There are people that see Lando and love Lando. There are people that see Princess Leia and love Leia, right? Like, there are characters that don't have to hold the lightsaber for us to love and know. And there is something about Chewie being your number two and going off on some smuggler's run that you can create, right? We also have Battlefront. I don't always hold a lightsaber in that. Now, sure, I get the upgrades and I become Yoda and I go crazy with it, right? But, like, no, I think it's just the wrong style of game. If you gave me an Uncharted in my mind that is 12 to 15 missions, a 10-hour experience, and it is about us putting on the ultimate heist in the galaxy and we're going to see some of the areas and places that you love and know, then yeah, I think this is different, Blas.
22:24I think we're just hitting a point with open-world fatigue that if you're not doing something different and new and fun and innovative, it is tough to keep a player around for 40 to 60 hours when it's just mid. There's too many games now that have really gone outside the box and done great where it's like, I want to spend my time in a Boulder's Gate 3 where I'm just out here living, right? That's where people want to be with these kind of larger scale games. And if you're just mid, I can't give you that much time in the day. Fair enough. I also agree. What do you think? You got anything else to add?
22:57Do you think Star Wars Outlaws 2 is a big loss?
23:00Blessing Adeoye Jr.:No, I don't think it's a big loss at all. They tried it. It didn't hit. you know what what is the reason i think there's a list of reasons like i just mentioned but at the end of the day does does the audience want to star wars outlaws too i don't think enough of them do and i think that's the that's the decision at the end of it right i think there's a list of reasons why and i think to your point if you were going to make it star wars outlaws i think it should have been a linear thing i would 100 agree with you as far as it should have been more of an uncharted linear kind of thing as opposed to like another open world ubisoft kind of uh kind of situation it looks cool i think in the trailers like the space exploration and like all that shit like they had it had like the star wars sauce to it but when i look at the reviews and i look at fan feedback and i look at all that stuff it's like okay well you didn't like you didn't go all the way with it you didn't bring the quality with that stuff and so it just falls short story number two elden ring night rain is adding two-player co-op this is emma roth at the verge elden ring Knight Reign is finally getting a two-player mode.
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23:58Blessing Adeoye Jr.:From Software announced on Friday that it's adding duo expeditions in a patch coming on July 30th, allowing you to take on enemies across Limveld with one other friend. Since Elden Ring Knight Reign's launch in May, the title has only let you play by yourself or in a group of three. Elden Ring Knight Reign director Junya Ishizaki told IGN last year that, quote, this was largely a game balancing decision, end quote. In a May interview with IGN. Ishizaki apologized for not including a two-player mode, saying the option was overlooked and neglected. He also said the team would look into adding support for two players in the future, and now that has finally arrived.
24:37Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Mike, I've heard you say that this is one of your favorite From Software video games. How excited does this make you? Not that excited, Bless. I really enjoyed Trios. I didn't have the desire to play solo, and Duos to me is a nice fun thing to add but this is not drawing me back in any way shape or form right now I did think that this game was going to be the game of summer for me where I was just going to play this non-stop this was going to be my battle royale Fortnite habit I thought that was going to be it but when I ran through all the bosses that was it for me right I have not circled back to play as different characters and do it all over again it just seems to be like that was it for me and now I'm done but adding duos I guess is great I'm a little trepidatious about it because it's like that first boss is clearly geared towards three people.
25:29There's three wolves that come out of that wolf. What's going to happen? Are they retuning all these bosses now? I mean, most of the bosses are just one jabroni running around.
25:38Blessing Adeoye Jr.:How do people handle that on single player? Is it just them managing? Good luck. Because they did tweak single player to be a bit more balanced. And I don't know what the verdict on that has been. And like, Chad, if you've played single player, let me know. How are you fighting those three dogs is my biggest question. How are you managing that? I mean, I think it's great for the health of the game. But I am someone who has now completed all the bosses, had a great time with the game. But I am seeking more. I am now asking you to put out more games. Almost become a live service. I know people hate that word.
26:14But for me, it's like I need Elden Ring Night Reign to be a live service title. where every month there is a new boss. Every month there is two new bosses. There is a reason for me to turn the game back on and go back and play because it did not capture me and hook me where I thought I would be living in this every single day.
26:31Blessing Adeoye Jr.:See, I strongly disagree only because I think this is a game that doesn't want you to live in it every single day. And I think the success of this game is something that I want people to learn from, but they will not. I want people to make more multiplayer games that don't have to be live service, that can come out, maybe get support for six months to a year as far as like updates or whatever it is but then for the developers to go all right we've done we're done right like we supported this for a year to iron out bugs add in features that weren't able to make it to launch and all that shit we were putting it down we're keeping it running right like we're not shutting it down by any means but like we're keeping it running have fun with the video game that we made while we make our next one i love that i'll push back of like that is such a one-off situation for these kind of world of games of like but why I want to know Elden Ring has an established from software Elden Ring has an established fan base that is so massive that only really few few games could ever come out and be like we're going to put out a multiplayer only experience for a price tag of a video game not a free to play game there's money involved in this for you to be able to jump in there are zero microtransactions there is zero effort from us to say you got to live and breathe in this world for us to get player counts and money back from you and just say you know what we sold a lot we're happy with it selling a lot is the win but other games can't do that is what i'm saying it's like they don't have that install base to be like yeah let me buy this x multiplayer game that is going to just be what it is from day one and just kind of exist for six months to a year and that's good enough like people don't have that but i i think we don't have that because they're not trying it the right way like i like you look at a rematch for example and that came out that's a 30 video game that's a 30 video game right and it has sold millions and it has 5 million players and all that shit right and it didn't come out as hey we're gonna be a live service we're gonna last you know forever and ever no like that's a game where it seems like they're taking it as it goes and you know looking at all right we want to support this from for the next year or whatever it is and i'm sure we'll check back in a year and go all right let's support this for another year or whatever right like i think there should be shorter term goals with these games i'm tired of life service games coming out and being like all right to live like to be successful we gotta last five fucking years on this thing and continue to have roadmaps and updates and do this and do that it's like no i that's why i miss games like outriders even though outriders wasn't the greatest game of all time but it came out and they said we're not a life service well let me talk about saber interactive they're making great double a titles like space marine yeah that you will love that is just like that yes you know that's your bread and butter there i think it's just you're in a world of the games industry being so difficult to break into so difficult to survive in that like if you put out a game and it does not hit you are not making a second game you are most likely shutting everything down and going to find jobs somewhere else that's why it's like so difficult for teams to make this perfect rematch or night rain where it just comes out and can beat you rematch does have a battle pass and does have a storefront right but like but they're actively looking they're looking but they're actively looking for you to still give them money right night rain has none of that night rain has never asked you for a dollar since the initial purchase right there so it's like that is just a crazy one-off situation to be fair that no one gets to be fair i'm not even saying have zero micro transactions oh yeah i'm just saying don't you don't have to be live service just come out and be a multiplayer game well live service is such a blended name here bless of like live service can be anything live service is madden live service is nba and you don't think of it like that it's like live service is a different thing now but my thing is like i think there is a a market for a multiplayer game that you can sell and like try to measure its success by single player game standards of all right can we hit three million sales can we hit five million sales right like can you in the way that elden ring night rain right has hit five million here and i'm sure from software doesn't look at that and go ah shit all right well we don't have macro transactions so it's failure it's like no we sold five million because that's our goal our goal is to hit the the copy sold can like i'm looking at i'm looking at developers that have assets that are already made i'm looking at ghost of Tsushima and going make legends sell it for you use the same assets uh-huh sell legends for$40 by itself sell legends for 30 to$40 by itself and aim for 2 million units okay it might be small for them but like yeah aim for a number hey 2 million is good because like we're talking about this a lot of what you bring up is a flash in the pan a one-off like great situation right like We're talking about Peak selling, what, a million copies, but they're selling it for like$3 to$10, right?
31:31And that's like that one-off super streamer game, and they're also changing the map every single day, which makes it a live service title because it's live and every updating and evolving. That's why this live service has a weird, sticky, negative connotation to it because it's evolved so much that you say live service, you don't know which side of the map it really means, right? But I get what you're talking about. It's like multiplayer online games. Yes. Let's have a conversation about that. How do you make a game that can be sold for$40, come out, be great, and not need to be like, hey, this game has to be the next Fortnite.
32:08Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Yeah, our studio has to solely focus on this thing for the rest of our existence. And there's a very, that is a difficult thing, right? Night Rain is tough to point at because it has such an established fan base and market already that you and I making video game X are zero to no chance of that happening. Now, you look at Sucker Punch when you bring up Ghost of Tsushima. We could talk about that, right? Here's a game that people know. They're getting the sequel. Legends is something that's already happened that they can build upon, right? I don't think everybody and their mother knows about Legends, right?
32:41So it is going to be a selling point. But could we sell a Legends one-off thing like Night Reign for$30 to$40?
32:48Blessing Adeoye Jr.:1 ,000 % you could. And get 2 million sales. 1 ,000 % you could. 1 ,000%. I see people in chat saying I wouldn't buy it, but 1 ,000 % it's selling that much. I'm going to say I don't think so. Why? I'm going to say I'm worried about that because$30 to$40 for a multiplayer-only experience right now in today's market is a very difficult sell. because that requires$120 from you and your group to jump in, right? Ghost of Yote is different. It's got the PlayStation backing. There's a name to it, but... That's what I'm saying. I'm saying... Two million is tough. With the Ghost of... You put the Ghost of Yote name on it and make it a good game?
33:30Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Yeah, it's selling that much. Like, I don't even think it's a question. I think it's selling that much. Do you think Legends would have done that? Because, like, is Legends considered a good game? Legends is fantastic. Like, I enjoyed the experience, but, like, is that enough to sell 2 million? I think that's a really good question. I think you would have to package it. It depends on how you package it and how you market it. Then I'll push back, why are these teams not doing that? Why is Sony who is trying to jump into a live service market? Now we're asking the same question. That's my question.
33:57Call them up and say, why are we not doing this? Because it seems like an easy dunk. If we have a good product and a good game and you want to get into the live service multiplayer push, why not push this team or say, hey we'll give you whatever help you want we're cutting studios left and right let's have them
34:13Blessing Adeoye Jr.:help you let's make that i think they're not doing it because playstation for the last half decade has been convinced that if you're going to do a lot of multiplayer thing it has to be a live service thing which takes a level of devotion and dedication from your studios that just isn't viable if you want sucker punch to continue to make a single player ghost of yote game right i think it's the same way that naughty dog stopped working on the last of us factions or last last was online game because they said like oh well this would become our studio now and we don't want to devote all our resources to doing that it's like my my pushback would be you don't then don't do that just make a make a multiplayer game put it out i would have played factions i would have played factions for six months two a year called it good called it good yeah like i would have played the one and done thing you got that you did already in 2013 yeah exactly i would have played that game take that spit it out charge 20 bucks whatever the fuck for it so what was in of tea leaves back then to have these teams stop doing that.
35:10Because when you bring up what you're saying here, that reminds me of Mike as a gamer in 2000s to the early 2000s, right? Of like, these were everywhere. All of these single player games had the tie in with multiplayer games that just kind of survived and lasted with them until they died off.
35:25Blessing Adeoye Jr.:It was the fact that they were packaged in in one thing, right? Which takes dev time and also you're not seeing, you're not necessarily seeing the return on that. When you put last of us factions as part of the single player thing right like you can't really measure oh why are people like are people buying this for online more likely than not no people are buying last of us to play to play last of us and so i think that's first and foremost um and then secondly i think they see fortnite i think they see the numbers it comes back to the graph that i always talk about that playstation uh put up in like their uh financial earnings talking about how this is where games are at now like this is like 2021 or something like that this is where video games are at now this is how much money is being made off of post-launch micro micro transactions we want to focus on this that's why we're allocating now 60 of our budget toward live service i think that's the big thing right so they see they probably see a ghost of the lta or they probably talk to their studios and go hey like we want to we want to see more live service if you give us more live service then you're going to get more investment from us making these studios go well instead of just making a multiplayer mode let's now take what was going to be a multiplayer thing and turn it into this big live service thing that's untenable and then eventually gets cancelled because they couldn't do it.
36:39Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Because God of War online as a live service doesn't make sense, Bluepoint. I love that you spin facts. That's what we're here for this conversation. That is very well said. Now the interesting part is, could you flip that selling point and say, hey, we're going to make this smaller multiplayer situation and we'll have sales and skins. This isn't a live service, but we will still try to capture a little bit of extra cha-ching, cha-ching, some money for you. I think 1 ,000%. Why is Sony not saying yes then? You know what I mean? Because they don't know what they're doing. I don't want to say they don't know what they're doing.
37:12Blessing Adeoye Jr.:They're business people. They know more than me when it comes to the numbers and all that shit. I just don't think they're experimenting with that stuff enough and trying with that stuff enough. Should Ubisoft try to experiment and bring back the Assassin's Creed multiplayer then? What we talk about Ubisoft. Now we start shooting over at other teams, right? Ubisoft has a fun idea of a hide-and-seek tag-like situation in an Assassin's Creed multiplayer. What are they hiding from? Especially when Among Us took over the world a couple years ago. This social deduction game. You could make Clue with Assassin's Creed.
37:46You could make Ultimate Parkour tag with Assassin's Creed. Why are we not saying, man, if we're only going to focus on the big three, let's make this for$20 to$30 and see what happens.
37:58Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Mike, I don't think there's any way to save Ubisoft. I can sit here all day and talk about, like, PlayStation IP or, like, you know, the big, like, Xbox IP or Nintendo IP and what I think should. No, there's nothing you can do. It's too late. We're done. Pack it up. All right? Let's wait to get bought out by some big corporation and, you know, have them fucking manage Assassin's Creed. And, yeah, no, it's done. I don't think there's a way to fix it. Very interesting world. And I would just encourage all the viewers and audience out there to remember live service is a really crazy umbrella that can be used in all different ways.
38:36So it doesn't always have to be negative. Yeah. I think with our audience, the moment you say live service, we immediately go to Fortnite and we don't want that and we get really negative. But remember that this term is so gray now because it encompasses so much. 1 ,000%. That change your mindset when you think of that word and stuff. Yes.
38:53Blessing Adeoye Jr.:And I know even what I'm saying, what I'm talking about, you know, I think, you know, it's the fact that I'm saying don't do a live service. Even what I'm talking about is a form of live service. I'm just trying to say let's make it measured. You know what I mean? But, like, I'm also the mind of I don't think live service is a dirty word. I just think it's being used in a dirty way by a lot of these companies. And they don't fucking know. Like, they overscope. They overestimate what they can do with what they're trying to do. really quick before we leave let's bring back the from software you know what should be next then what's that because of course they're making a pvp situation with duskbloods but you know what i would look to next armored core and i would be making a multiplayer standalone situation with armored core multiplayer see this is where we now we've changed the positions because i'm like that's not going to sell what are you talking about mecha break had you interested what if i said that armored core came out and has a small multiplayer mode where it is we are battling mechs i mean you have me let me look up because i i think i just don't have that same feeling about the armored core ip as far as the sellability of it i'm even impressed that we got armored core 6 fires or rubicon but even remember that game came with a multiplayer mode because i think that's the level that that that from software sees it at of like hey this is a core part of this franchise we're not going to spit it out into its own thing that's going to take a lot of time and effort and resources let's just make a mode within the game that already exists and call it a day for the people that really want that i i'll be fascinated about an armored cord multiplayer like live service thing i just don't know if it would work i just don't know because then you're talking
40:35Blessing Adeoye Jr.:i thought the brief page was over it is over i don't know what he's doing I guess today there's another episode of Game Showdown that I believe Greg is on. And so this actually does line up. I just wanted to back the order. You know what I mean? I looked at the calendar. Games cast in review. Yeah. Game Showdown. I thought the champs should be on this show too. But I wanted to point out to everybody just so they understand that today's Game Showdown not a real episode. It's an exhibition. So this won't be on my permanent record. This won't matter for my world title. He's getting ahead of it. What was that?
41:16Blessing Adeoye Jr.:He said you're getting ahead of it. Your future loss. It's an exhibition. It's just a friendly. He's getting loose. How did you do? Your first time competing in Game Showdown last week. It was a bullshit game show. Nobody cares about Game Showdown. How did it feel? Finally come down from the ivory tower, get in the mud with us pigs. Audience has some bad answers sometimes. Wow, never got in Mike's way. Yes, you're learning. Never got in the champ's way. I don't know who made this game. Not in the three-time champ's way. Not my way. Three-peat. Three-peat. Bad concept. Game showdown, bad concept for a show.
41:46Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I don't know who comes up with it and who comes up with these games. They're bad. They're bad. Headline says it's a Ben Affleck show. I'm pretty stoked. Let's get it moving so we can get to all of the awesome content. But a great conversation with you. Yes. Night Rain was very, very well done. I really enjoyed it. I want more out of it. But we will see in the future what other games try to dip into that. we will and we'll also see what's going on these super chats because uh game maiden writes in and says ubisoft had splinter cell spies versus mercs and squandered it i hear so many good things about spies versus mercs uh roger speaks highly of it the whole franchise uh that's just one of those of like you got to start with the base though you got to bring splinter cell back and then we can go from there um cd splits and says thoughts on the second legends mode like the first i mean me and kind of talked about it there i would love a second legends mode i think it'd be fucking awesome i don't know if they're making it i i think them bundling in the first legends mode with ghost of tsushima proper i like i think that probably lost some return they could have seen on it i will honestly i think yeah they should have spun it out as its own thing and charged like 20 to 30 dollars for it i think as long as you want it's just their existing when i tell you legends was so good it is what propelled ghost of tsushima to like towards the top of my game of the year list that year and it doubled my time like in ghost of tsushima if i played 40 hours of the single player i played another 40 hours of the multiplayer mode um in ghost of tsushima the legends mode is fucking fantastic has a raid like a fantastic raid in it god what a game we're gonna continue on with this show but before we do i want to tell you about patreon.com slash kind of funny and youtube.com slash kind of funny games where you can go and get the kind of funny membership which allows you to get shows ad free speaking of ads let us tell you about our sponsors this This episode's brought to you by Mood.
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47:38Blessing Adeoye Jr.:and we're back with story number three wolfenstein tv series is in development at amazon from fallout producer this is joe otterson at variety a tv series adaptation of the wolfenstein video games is in development at amazon mgm studios variety has learned exclusively exact plot details are being kept under wraps but the incredible official log line of the series simply states quote the story of killing nazis is evergreen end quote patrick somerville is attached to serve as the creator writer executive producer and showrunner of the project under his chaotic good.tv production banner jonah nolan lisa lisa joy and atheno wickham will executive produce via kilter films should this project move forward it would be the latest video game tv series at amazon for kilter films the company currently produces the hit prime video series fallout which is currently prepping to release its second season in december and has already been renewed for a third mike when i tell you this shit's gonna rock i couldn't be more excited i'm usually whenever we get these adaptation like movie adaptation tv adaptation news about video games i have such a fatigue because we're in the season right now where every video game needs to get adapted yes split fiction is getting a movie starring sydney sweeney we've gone too far that's not even a joke that's literal we've gone too far with this shit when i tell you when i tell you a fucking wolfenstein tv show from Amazon from the same people that brought us the fallout TV show that shit's gonna be good that shit's gonna be fire dude yeah I mean you read that and it gets a hell yeah from all of us you know what I mean it gets a hell yeah um yeah plus I don't know on this one I love Wolfenstein I like the idea of it um you're gonna have to show me did you play Wolfenstein the I played them all even Youngbloods I played a little bit of I also played Youngbloods regrettably but Wolfenstein the is it the new Colossus the second one the second recent one um god which came out in 2017 way too long way too well you know but like the story they brought us in that game was fucking fantastic I feel like that already it's like wow Wolfenstein has evolved to a place where the narrative side of Wolfenstein is now phenomenal like you give me a base that is BJ Blazkowicz fucking hates Nazis and murders a lot of them like I I feel like there's not much there's not much to fumble here you just look at it and say that's it that's gonna be it yeah this will be interesting to see I mean I guess my mind just goes to like when I think of Wolfenstein I think of like ultra violent non-stop shooting they have weaved a solid narrative in there but like moment to moment it is me just blowing limbs off hucking grenades into buildings like it's non-stop okay how do you make that into a really good TV show let's see what you got I'm excited for that.
50:33So, yeah. Take me there. Listen, I see the vision. I see the vision. Have they done? Okay, let's roll it back. I guess my apprehensive is like, my mind goes like, oh, shit, this is going to be Doom the movie. And if you remember Doom with Dwayne the Rock Johnson, it was really bad. Have they ever successfully created a hyper-violent ultra-shooter video game into a TV series or movie yet? Because I don't know a video game or movie.
50:59Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Let me tell you about this show called Halo. Oh, shit. you like that right master cheeks we had it i mean we had it there was i mean they put it on a silver platter they had the moment and they just fumbled that so hard bro i so it's funny because i think you're right because it's tough for me to think of um show me one where it's like this is like this game is just so violent and non-stop shooting i show me the example i give and it's not to be fair like it's not non-stop shooting right but i would say fallout for a first person i thought of that for a moment like shooter rpg but you know there's a lot of exploration a lot of walking a lot of exploration a lot of walking a lot of narrative there and also just a lot of like fertile ground for story and like really wacky and weird stuff you can you can do with story but also something that's very violent and they captured that violence really well i think for me like wolfenstein 2 the new colossus right that has so much story to it that i view i view it through more that lens than just like the gameplay violence of it if you wanted in fact I wouldn't even expect like this to mostly be violence I think this will have a lot of violence they're gonna kill a lot of Nazis in this show but I think there's enough like story character stuff there that you can work with that like you have you would have a lot of that focus on there you would have like I mean you're gonna cast somebody to play Hitler and like you're gonna cut to that and it's always gonna be a comedy scene it's always gonna be like the actor playing Hitler saying the most outlandish being like the most fucking like degenerate person and like i don't know i feel like there's a lot of potential for what you can do character wise there it feels like the right moment i mean a great moment to like let's get it out there it's been the right moment for a while yeah exactly it's been the right moment since 2016 as the quote says the story of killing nazis is evergreen yeah it's it's funny enough because i was i was just reminded of the show man in the high castle which is based on a book and that show is amazon original and that was in 2015 um and that's about uh you know an alternate history where uh the axis power wins and they take over america and they split it up into a bunch of pieces including a nazi area so it's interesting that um it's amazon right that's doing this amazon yeah so it's interesting that they're doing that again so cool stuff story number four magic the gathering's final fantasy set made 200 million dollars in one day this is from jordan middler at video games chronicle magic the gathering's final fantasy expansion is the best-selling set in franchise history and sold 200 million dollars worth of product in one day according to its maker the The set which saw characters, locations, spells, and enemies from across the Final Fantasy saga appear in Magic the Gathering form was a monster success with every single product in the set quickly selling out.
53:38Blessing Adeoye Jr.:For comparison, Magic the Gathering's Lord of the Rings set needed six months to sell the same number of cards that Final Fantasy managed in one day. Quote, we couldn't produce enough, Hasbro CEO Chris Cox said via GameSpot. Quote, I think we increased production runs on it four times pre-release. It was substantially by many, many very high double digit percentages ahead of any other production run we've ever done. And we left the market wanting more. End quote. A week after launch, boxes of these collector boosters were being sold for$1 ,000 at card shows, more than double the retail price of the box.
54:17Wild. Congratulations, big hit. It hurts as a consumer to see those prices because I want them so desperately badly. But yeah, this was like the right mix of it all. Bless. There is something brewing in the magic world that, of course, magic has been around for a long time. It has always been a solid foundation of interest, growth and opportunity. And now there's like something brewing here. Bless. Like magic is about to pop the roof off the place. I think it's a lot of this like secret layer. What do they call that? Beyond universes. Beyond universes. Beyond just kind of mixing in the pot, getting new eyes.
54:55and faces in that it's like oh man this cauldron is like gonna explode and it definitely did with final fantasy here yeah and you see that number spidey's coming soon yeah spider-man the property
55:07Blessing Adeoye Jr.:is coming to this that's gonna do that's gonna go even crazier i'm dude it's tough to imagine like spider-man actually it's weird to compare spider-man and final fantasy but like spider-man again part of one of the biggest ips in the world when you're just talking about marvel like if i open up that wikipedia article which i still have opened up right you had star wars disney on pond man barbie uh wizarding world and then marvel cinematic universe is right under that right and then if you go down a few spots spider-man individually is right below that um under call of duty and batman funny enough wow this is just like overall franchise numbers of course um but yes spider-man one of the biggest franchises in the world that's gonna pop off but what i'm even more excited for is just like where you go for the future of video game crossovers because they're going to keep doing this after Final Fantasy.
55:53Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I don't know if there is any IP, though, that is available to them that would be bigger than Final Fantasy because they're not going to do Pokemon because Pokemon does their own thing. Yeah. I mean, well, the easy ones is you would go to FromSoft. Yes. And you would do a Dark Souls through Bloodborne, Elden Ring, Sekiro, of like, give us all that because it fits the world so well. I think that would pop off. That's a layup, right? That wouldn't do Final Fantasy numbers, though. I don't think so. I don't know if any video game one will be as big as Final Fantasy right this moment that you could tell me.
56:24Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Yeah. Right? Like PlayStation overall. Like just the PlayStation set. Nintendo. Yeah, but like Nintendo, I don't think Nintendo's doing it. Mario. I don't think Nintendo would play ball with this. PlayStation. Who are you pulling from PlayStation? God of War? I mean, everybody. I would say, yeah. Yeah, God of War is an easy one. God of War, Horizon. I guess you can't do Spider-Man. Horizon with Robo Dinos. Robo Dinos. would be nuts like um what am i missing last of us last of us yes that's what i'm thinking yeah that what was that uh jamie and chad just said pokemon and i was like fuck well no because pokemon cards exist like that's the direct what if but like what if resident evil resident evil would be good right there um yeah now see my mind goes like i want halo i want gears of war how do you really start incorporating guns and things like that into it i mean and make it good like we're in space right now yeah of course we're going to space so anything's possible i asked my so i've talked about my friend lexi right lexi she's the witcher the witcher would be great the witch would be fantastic baldur's gate as well which they've already done baldur's gate but elder scrolls would be fantastic as well um elder scrolls would pop off again i don't think anything's doing final fantasy numbers i hit up my my friend lexi who is in the in the markets you know she's flipping cards let's survive lexi it knows everything and i sent this article to Lexi and I was like Lexi I want your expert opinion and she gave me a little bit of breakdown here she said I think Final Fantasy the audience is just more prone to activation since it's not really a singular IP it's more like a true franchise which makes a lot of sense lots of different stories and modes to play more entry points and I guess the fans are also starved for collectibles of course yeah which I think makes a lot of sense when you love something you want the collectibles Final Fantasy was great because every single one of the commanders was from a different game the whole set ran from different games and you can jump on and be like, oh man, this is from 6, that's from 8, that's from 1.
58:21Oh, I love all of this. And guess what?
58:23Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I'm somebody who, I've played a few Final Fantasy, well, I guess nowadays I've played a lot. But most of my Final Fantasy games that I've played have all been 7, right? 7 Remake, 7 Rebirth, the prequel one, the original Final Fantasy 7, right? I've played so many of those and I've played Stranger of Paradise. So, like, that's what brought me in. Mike, you played 10. That's what brought you in, right? Tim's a sicko. that's what brought him in you know like we all have these different connection points to final fantasy and i think that works so strongly in the favor of this set i think i think they square enix has so fucked up by not making a queen's blood thing oh queen's blood should have been expanded out queen's blood should have they should have made physical sets they should have made a digital game they should have all like hella final fantasy characters playable in those that would be cool obviously that would have not get a standalone game no for 10 to 20 bucks which it should have there's another one that's another one that in our back pocket there's another one chat but yeah spider-man is going to be massive how about this avatar avatar is going to be big like how big is avatar i'm not a big i wasn't a nickelodeon kid i didn't have cable back then so it's like that missed me again it's it's very targeted and specific like okay there is the avatar audience it's not like there's all these different entry points but a lot of people love avatar okay like avatar is what's converting half of my friend group it's a magic that's cool so it's gonna be pretty big uh mike we just talked a lot about a lot of big news in these first four stories but if i wanted something smaller say the tiniest news i need to know about where would i go blessing i would take you to our last story the we news channel where we cover all the small items you need to know about story number five through seven is we news we were asking which avatar the last airbender not the blue people not the blue guys yeah we should yeah clarify that shit they get confused like that that's interesting yeah i mean it's tough when you're both just called avatar so i understand i understand uh story number five through seven is we news uh story number five that we had crafton acquires the last epoch makers 11th hour games that's tough you know like honestly like you know i'm very happy for a small indie dev team to be acquired and hopefully get a bunch of money from a large company to keep them around and keep them in business.
1:00:42The large company sees dollar signs from them. They see dollar signs back, and you hope it's like this perfect hand-holding situation of like, we're going to be better together. But like after the last story we read, all about them and Unknown Worlds and Subnautica 2, it's like tough for me to be like, yo, y 'all, this is going to be a good situation. I read up on the 11th hour, pretty interesting, an indie studio that's based all remotely. They're a full remote studio. I thought that was really cool. Love that. You know, I'm sure Crafton will call and tell you to go get an office and everybody's got a mark from the studio.
1:01:12Blessing Adeoye Jr.:It's crazy. Later in the story, they say that the acquisition cost them$250 million. Stop it. I'm joking. I'm joking. That's not real. Can you imagine, though? And then story number six, Dying Light the Beast has slipped to September 19th. That is about a little bit over a month. It was originally going to come out August 11th, right around the corner. People spoke about the previews on this. I want to go watch and read some of them because I'm apprehensive. I think you and I, we both reviewed Dying Light 2, and I was on the come down of the Dying Light franchise. I think you were a little bit higher than me.
1:01:46I am very apprehensive about this experience of me jumping back in and having a good time. The core there still always pulls me in. The open world zombie game with intense zombie action at night and during the day, and then, of course, the parkour world that you can just get lost in, create new lines and get weird with. I just I don't know if I'm ready to go back
1:02:06Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I personally needed this game to come out at a time Where other games aren't coming out It's tough for this game to come out in September For me I'm not playing this in September I'm sorry I love Dying Light 2 for the most part I loved it like a flawed game It's your 7 It's my 7 It's your Star Wars Outlaws It's like a 7 that I love like an 8 But I really really enjoyed Dying Light 2 and so I I'm looking forward to The Beast but am I going to push things to play the beast? Am I going to like make time? I don't know. You got 40 to 60 hours. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't have that just laying around or 20.
1:02:45Blessing Adeoye Jr.:If you mainline, like put this out in a January, you know, Dying Light 2 came out on the top of the year. What are we doing? What are we doing? More wee news for you. Marvel cosmic invasion has revealed two new playable characters, beta Ray bill and silver surfer. This news came out yesterday during Tim's panel. Congratulations, Tim. You did great. Thank you, Tim, for this news. Invincible Versus has added Battle Beast to its roster. Who the hell's that? I mean, this guy right here. He's on screen now. You don't know about Battle Beast? Was he in the first season? I forget which season he was in, but he's definitely in the cartoon.
1:03:22Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Okay, I haven't seen him yet. Maybe. He's all up in the cartoon. He's cool looking. In fact, I think he appears repeatedly in the cartoon. I like this guy. I also think this game is going to be fun. but also competitive space right now they're saying he was in season one so i've seen him there you go there we go assassin's creed shadows claws of awaji expansion is coming september 16th oblivion remastered hits nine million players milestone frost punk 2 launches september 18th and then finally according to bill bill coon the unannounced plants versus zombies replanted launches October 23rd on Xbox PS5.
1:03:59Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Let's go! Getting a pump up from Raj Daddy right there. Raj is hella excited. I'm so excited. I was on the subreddit and I was seeing that leak and I was like, I was fucking pumped up in my car. I was going crazy. Play Frostpunk 2. Oblivion 9 million players is wild. We're just waiting on the next one. You know what I mean? Todd. Todd. The time's ticking, Todd. Listen, I need that shit out in less than two years all right god howard um all right now it's time for super chats where you write in we have a conversation with the audience like that starting with kuma babam who writes in and says what colors would the mtg cross kind of funny blessing and still like my commander decks be roger and kevin would definitely be token cards okay first of all no we're not doing that each of us here is getting their own commander deck the 11 employees All 11 get a commander deck Maybe not all 11 We would all be legendary creatures They're for sure shitting on y 'all That's fucked up I'm gonna turn off the stream We're all legendary creatures I think the four founders are the commanders Mike doesn't like that Yeah I'm putting you as one of the commanders I'm a co-commander You and Roger are definitely co-commanders You're the second card in the deck where you're like well you could make a deck out of him you know what i mean you could yeah listen what my colors be i mean i'm a blue i'm a blue green player but i guess if we're sticking within like the lore and the idea mike i feel like mike is a is mike is for sure a white okay okay you know lawful actually good yeah like like there's a like a positive energy to him I was going to go with like Oh I love that bless I feel like you're white Pale We'd change it from white to pale I think I would be blue I think I'd be more blue More like Tricky Meditative Surprise I'm already three steps ahead of you Yes Greg would be red Fiery red Maybe red green even like red but also like there's like a ramp to it like he has a lot of mana he has a lot of he has a lot of resources yes Greg has a lot of resources he's always on the phone calling people yes like who are you calling today why are you calling somebody yeah it's always somebody impressive he's got a big phone he's got a big phone library Tim would for sure at least be blue because he's a schemer okay he's a schemer but I feel like he'd be blue in another color maybe blue white I'd see blue white to him because he also has that like innocence to him what's Nick black dying yeah decaying yeah angry maybe black red okay he's Nick and then what's Andy because they want Andy what's Andy Andy's energetic he's young he's youthful he is talented he's fun I feel like he's blue green I feel like Andy would be blue green okay because he's also he's also somebody he's always like he's strong when he's at his computer cooking up a graphic he's on the guitar he's on the guitar like he knows he won't hang out and spend time with me he has a bunch of skills yeah but then i'm unaccounted for hours yeah but then green because also he has a lot of resources as well yeah he knows people all right we did it did i say mine yeah i think it just said blue yeah uh shiny pebble says kf watches avatar last airbender mike watches it and people drop in at will christmas in july in october cozy stream lol what if people would love if you did a watch along of avatar the last is that good yeah it's like that it's like that because i'm trying to watch all of the air bud films and talk about it okay so if you'd like me to talk about air bud with you i'll talk about air but i'll i'm i'll get i'll give a hot take i think airbender is better than air bud that's my hot take that's my hot take everybody um golden spider triple six says so stoked for spider-man mtg set i already have pre-ordered like three booster boxes lol i'm excited i can't wait to see it they're doing something different it's not a full-on final fantasy thing right where we'll get four commanders and all that jazz i think it's a little less than that right i mean yeah they have those sometimes it's like the sonic one look at it i assume it's like the sonic thing Oh, no, no.
1:08:31No, Sonic was just Secret Lair. Yeah. Where you only got a handful of them. No, this is like, there will be packs on packs.
1:08:39Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Really? Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's exciting. Oh, yeah. Oh, then that's going to pop off for sure. We have to look that up. I think that's, yeah. How many commanders is my question? Because I've been playing so much commander. Ed Reed Fan 28 says, Amazon should hire Alan Richson, star of Reacher as BJ. Yes, I liked that. I saw that. Someone wrote like, have BJ as Reacher. but maybe it's like a Reacher type of TV series slash show, right? That would get me in. That could get me in. Oh yeah, he looks like he could play a BJ. It's Thad Castle. We love Thad Castle. He looks like he could play a BJ. See, my first thought and this is mainly just because of Punisher would be my guy Jon Bernthal.
1:09:19Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Just because I love Jon Bernthal. Yeah, but he doesn't have that blonde hair like BJ. Yeah, he doesn't look like BJ. Yeah, he gotta have that blonde hair. But he has that like gruffness and like I would believe that he murders down Can you believe he's coming back? I just don't see Johnny being like a more toned down setting. He's, you know what? He's very similar to Wolfenstein. He's murdering people. He's super murdering. Let's see here. Picto 3 says birthday tax for my 7 year old. Rented out the hockey rink and it was all Astro Bot themed. No Fortnite or Roblox. In Minnesota, everyone can ice skate.
1:09:54Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Happy birthday to Picto's 7 year old. That's really exciting. and also that's sick as hell yeah a whole ice rink that's astrobot omega buster uh says greg miller the coward not willing to put the title on the line supports him the true pokemon master wow okay you chose a side um and i'll do one more i'll do one more oh people a bunch of people wrote in about games i should stream next week so i'll read those snake eater writes in it says bless liza p optimistic says play dead take want to see what this game is about i am also excited for dead take dead take okay it's the one from the abu uh who did tales against arazal last year this one stars ben star and a bunch of different actors he got another game yeah coming out like in a week yeah yeah neil newbin is in it he did it he was asterian a lot of years sam lake is in it that's a good idea yeah you might want to check that one out that's cool okay um foxy steve says bless i recommend playing a game called ink shade it's a tabletop strategy game with real inscription vibes very atmospheric there's a demo on steam um and then last one from napoleon blown apart who says in regards to star wars i think it just sucks that we can't take chances anymore games used to come out and be okay then the sequel would be better i agree and honestly you should go listen to our conversation that we had yesterday with alivier nelson on kind of funny games cast uh because he's doing a lot of cool things over with his studio he talks about how he's made like 17 he's put out like 17 games the last two years and the number is increasing he has more games that he's putting out in the net like before the end of the year he's a very cool dude he um talks about how this is possible on multiple levels right even on the triple a level he believes that like these are changes that we can make um and yeah like he has a lot of good shit to say about like that exact thing and so go and listen to yesterday's gamescast if you want to hear more about that greg and roger used to say that to me all the time of like back in the day a good game would warrant you to create a sequel that would be a great game now it has to be great right off the rip and you don't get a sequel yeah yeah it's pretty wild to think about that of like there's so many games where you're like oh that was a good experience I look forward to seeing what they're going to create in the sequel and then it's like no this industry is not doing that yeah I just hate that I hate that sequels take that long I think that's bad for like series management I just made up that term right but like yeah back in the day where you would get fucking GTA 3 and then the next year Vice City and the next year.
1:12:23Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I understand that that's not possible because of how things have scaled up. But to wait like six to seven years to know what's happening. Yeah, you gotta be on that two to three year max. Even like three to four would be better. It just keeps getting longer and longer. And now I'm like, why have series? If I'm going to wait seven years for the next thing, I'm a different person. Every seven years, I'm a different person. You're a different person. Mike, that's it. Kindoffunny.com slash you're wrong. Rewrite in. Let us know what we got wrong. as we got it wrong so we can correct it for those watching later um Colonel Crank no they're trying to correct us about what a Baker's Dozen is I had it I clicked on it and I saw that and I was going to read and I was like you know what I'll just take the laugh thank you no uh Baker's Dozen is a tradition it doesn't matter about the amount of news stories what matters is what's in our heart in our hearts and what is that Baker's Dozen and with that we end this episode of Kind of Funny Games Daily where each and every week we run you through the nerdy news you need to know about live on YouTube, Twitch, and on podcast services around the globe.
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