Steam Machine Revealed! - Kinda Funny Games Daily 11.12.25

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43:32It just seems like Valve has given us more options for people that are already PC gamers that still want to play in the living room. This now becomes a pretty attractive option for someone like myself. It's just price. I mean, we'll see. And like you said, if Half-Life 3 launches with this thing, it's a part of Steam. Like you said, it's not exclusive to the Steam Machine or Steam Deck, but for people that want to play Half-Life 3 in their living room, this is going to be a device for them. So I'm pretty excited about it. It just seems like they've taken 10 years of lessons learned, and this is the culmination of all of that.

44:09So I'm very excited to see where this is going to go, but it'll come down to price. What's your gut on price, Paris? My gut for the Steam Machine is this$500? No way. looking at the specs on it you you think it's more than i'm thinking the 512 version i'm the two terabyte will be more than that but i'm thinking they can slip this in around 499 599 it's going to be desirable for a lot of people it'll be fucking insane that would be insane man i i think that this thing i'm looking at a thousand dollars see i think okay so it's funny you say that i think i think the vr headsets a thousand i do but if this if the steam machine is a thousand dollars then now we're kind of talking about what xbox is attempting to do whatever their next gen hardware is which by the way this kind of undercuts what microsoft is trying to get to they must be sweating so hard today and again they have to be i'm with you paris of i i look i don't know specs for shit everybody knows that i'm an idiot but i look at this and i'm like i this looks sub a thousand and i really think that they'd be willing to bring it down so low so that they can undercut everybody get these boxes in their phone and that's my point and i think yeah then you turn and you look at xbox who sarah bond in her tour of quotes recently right of like you know the next one is going to be a luxury a premium system a luxury system whatever she called it uh and we all went oh it's going to be a grand and it's going to cost more than an xbox less than a high-end gaming pc and i would imagine knowing nothing it'll be more powerful than this for sure but then we're back to the success you've seen with the switch the success the steam deck itself is seen against the other handhelds that are more powerful i think at a thousand dollars this thing fails i don't think you can push this for a thousand dollars i lean more towards paris although i do i think i in my mind i'm thinking more on the 600 700 side i think 600 could be the sweet spot as far as that being a thing that people might might be way more willing to pull the trigger on uh but like trying to keep the realistic expectations in order with tariffs and all these different things that's the other thing yeah like i think i lean more towards 700 but I think for Steam, they know they need to get this in people's living rooms.

46:15Yeah, man, it's so interesting because there's just the reality of costs of things, right? And I think that's the only pushback I have there because obviously I understand the strategy of what you guys are talking about of get these in living rooms and all of that. But I mean, just it's so funny that the PC are now becoming consoles and it's like consoles still have prices associated, right? But a key part there is consoles, the traditional consoles, there's the hardware, they might sell at a loss because they have their storefront. They have all that stuff. We got Steam, baby, right? And Steam gets such a big cut of everything, and they have the dominant storefront at this point.

46:50So that does give them the luxury to maybe undercut the price a bit. I think 500 is impossible, personally. I think it'll be closer to 1 ,000 than 500. Talking it through, listening to the three of you, Yeah, maybe 500 is a little too much of a pipe dream, but kind of like what bless is saying that six to seven hundred dollar range. Just for the simple fact, they can quote unquote sell it. Like I look at the Steam Deck. They're not charging a crazy price for that. It's still essentially the best handheld value you can get right now. Right. So you would assume they're going to try and do this with the Steam Machine as well, because once you get over 700, Now we're talking like PS5 Pro, Series X, which is a ridiculous price at this point now.

47:39So if they want to truly try and compete and attract more people to invest into Steam, this box would be very desirable for that. So you would think they were trying to price it accordingly. But either way, I'm excited for it. I see what's not coming with the controller, right? Oh, that's a good call. Because I do think that gets it down. Oh, yeah. That is a good call, yeah. They didn't, because they said that the VR does. Yeah. And they would have said that for the console, which does make sense. That helps get the price there. Because I expect that controller to be expensive. And so, like, if you can put out the Steam machine for$700 and then the controller costs another$100.

48:12Interesting. Yeah, I buy that. Like, it is crazy, and what Paris is saying is very true about the Steam Deck. $400 for the entry Steam Deck. Like, that's incredibly cheap for what that product is and how powerful it is. And then$550 for the OLED version that is even better and still an incredible value like compared to similar things on the market and then you even when you start thinking about how expensive the switch 2 is at this point where it's not like nintendo is the cheap one anymore right it's like they're they're pretty much right there with uh the big boys so yeah like if they can get this thing to even 800 like that's if you can price this like with the ps5 pro i think that that is huge yeah 100 yeah 100 um paris do you have any other thoughts yeah no other than just to say like you were saying before with Half-Life 3, that's got to be coming early 2026 right along with these devices.

49:08It just makes sense because it's not an exclusive, but it kind of is because it's exclusive to Steam. And that's just going to push more people to want to invest in Steam. And I will just say, as I close this out, the Microsoft angle of this, the Xbox angle, this just goes back to what we're currently seeing with the the xbox ally and how they're using windows they got a lot of work to do if they want to compete on with what valve has already done with steam os and with steam big picture mode it just works it's simple you never have to leave it to install games updates anything windows is just not there yet so whatever they're cooking with this next gen offering i mean this this clearly sets the standard on what they need to achieve with it so it'll be interesting to see but from from a valve standpoint just being a fan of everything that they've done this just makes sense i'm excited for it yeah very very exciting stuff let me bring in another igan article this is of course w y p that's wesley yin pool at ig and that's the imagine games network valve said and this is reiterating but i think it's worth the conversation valve says it has a pretty good idea of what steam deck 2 is going to be explains why it's holding off for now jumping in he's talking to software engineer pierre loop uh griffles uh quote obviously the steam deck is not our focus today but the same things we said in the past where we are really interested uh to work on what's next for steam deck the thing we're making sure of is that it's a worthwhile enough performance upgrade to make sense as a standalone product We're not interested in getting to a point where it's 20 or 30 or even 50 % more performance at the same battery life.

50:48We want something a little bit more demarcated than that. I don't know what that is. I've never heard that word. I hate it when smart people get interviewed. So we've been working back from silicon advancements and architectural improvements. And I think we have a pretty good idea of what the next version of Steam Deck is going to be. But right now, there's no offerings in that landscape. in the system-on-a-chip landscape that we think would be truly next-gen performance on the Steam Deck. Yeah, which I'm so excited. But I love reiterating it in this conversation. Dang, so what should I do? Because I've had my Steam Deck since launch, and I really want an upgrade.

51:26I mean, I think you got to wait. It's either I wait or I get the OLED. Yeah, but I think for... I mean, it's tough. I will say, like, the OLED is like my favorite device ever. And it's crazy, because I think back to when the Steam Deck was first announced, and I think it was me and Greg doing games daily and then Witta popped in for his thoughts or something. And you guys were asking, like, are you going to get it? I was like, there's not a chance in hell I get this. I have zero interest in this. And I was saying, the moment they put an OLED on it, different conversation. And the moment they did, it was a different conversation.

51:55I haven't looked back. And it's so crazy how much better I think the OLED is than the just LCD model. How long would I wait for this Steam Deck 2? I think it's like 2027. I don't think it's around the corner, dude. I could do that. i can wait till 2027 because i think it's 2027 bless looks at the clock on his goddamn computer what year are we in right now and i just say just because it's like i for you having the lcd model i don't know that right now it's worth 550 for you to upgrade to them yeah you know for the two years just i'll get the steam machine that'll hold me over and then 2027 i can get the steam deck to you i just hope it's not like 2029 or some shit yeah and with what greg's saying there it's like they're gonna put it out when it's right for them when it is a next gen thing which is awesome i think very cool and also i because of all the tech of streaming and stuff like i do think that the steam deck og is going to last longer even if it itself is not able to keep up with brand new games coming out i mean we're already there right but that doesn't seem to hold it back at all um i do think you're onto something though blessed about the price with the controller um being able to like get that down what are we thinking for a controller 100 i mean that's where i'm at right with the touch what is the elite now what is the elite what is the dual sense uh whatever 200 is the fancy edge yeah 200 i'm pretty sure but i mean even like just normal control isn't the pro controller on the switch too like it's 80 i was about to say 90 but i was talking regular uh dual sense yeah that's just that's insane 90 for the switch 2 pro controller yeah dual sense i'm saying like 80 85 yeah so that's the question is like where's this gonna fall between the like standard controllers and the pro level controllers oh actually you know it's 75 for the dual sense and you can pay for the clarna payment payment plan if you want to earn points on it um greg yeah xbox yeah you are are a pc convert that's right you were playing on the xbox rog ally x love it whatever it is yeah and you seem on it all the time steam dwarfs my use of on it versus the xbox app we've been talking a lot in the last couple years about the present and future of xbox yeah we know that xbox's next console is going to be essentially what we just saw here with the steam machine but probably a lot more powerful and a lot more expensive what are your thoughts i think if again i think xbox has got to be like ah fuck because i think you're the interesting argument about xbox on the eve of this announcement has been we're xbox and we're trying to bring pc gaming to your television in an easy to use form factor ready to go blah blah plug and play with the xbox ecosystem overlay that we already know so well i think that's why they're able to get out there and say it's premium because of course we'll get an xbox console that we've made before get uh everything's an xbox yada yada there's so many different ways and avenues to get into it right if they're able to come out here with this steam machine and have it be competitively priced with the playstation 5 pro like we're talking about this is a different ball game where you are now talking to and i'm including myself even now but an uneducated consumer hey we have made a box that allows you to play all these great pc games and take advantage and i'm talking about xbox right now of game pass and all that stuff uh it's going to cost more but it's going to look great okay cool you have steam coming out hey we've made a box that's going to be able to take advantage of all these different savings and all blah blah blah and you know you're already using a steam deck you're already using portable PCs maybe this is one to get it on your TV and have it look at the best quality or as we keep saying, good enough and so suddenly you're going to get that installed and I think it's the same way you see in the arguments and like you guys talking right now like oh man, I'm ready for that upgrade for your Steam Deck, but you are not thinking of getting a ROG at all, right?

55:52It's like Xbox lost that war by coming in late and ROG did or whatever, but Steam just making it turnkey, easy to go, here we go Steam coming out with a Steam machine being turnkey here we go easy to go uneducated masses who just want to try pc gaming who want to play half-life on your tv ready to go bam they're going to get there first they're going to get a whole bunch of mind share and by the time xbox shows up and says hey we've got our next generation xbox it is a pc but it's also an xbox but the power of microsoft and it runs everything at 4k gorgeous blah blah whatever you know what i mean but it costs it costs 500 more 400 more than what the steam thing is we're right to the conversation of the steam deck versus the rock i want to upgrade my steam deck but i don't want to get a rock i want steam to make the better thing like that's where we're going to be at with this i think for me i feel like xbox traded the console race for the pc ecosystem race and that's a race that they're already losing right like you know i i don't envy having to go up against playstation nintendo being like i'm gonna go play over here on this field and then steam is like oh we've been here like you didn't see us but we've been training up and we have the ecosystem we have what was the phil spencer quote that he did on that he said on xcast right we lost the most important generation to lose because people had those built-in libraries on PlayStation, people have that built-in library on Steam.

57:02It's so difficult for me to look at what Xbox is doing on the ecosystem side and go, oh yeah, I'm going to abandon that. So I can, I'm going to, not even abandon, I guess. I'm going to step away from Steam so that I can pay$360 a year or whatever they're charging now for Xbox Game Pass to play all that stuff. Exactly. When I see my Steam sales and I see Next Fest and I see all the stuff that they got going in on the Steam ecosystem. Xbox's arguments play anywhere, right? And what Steam is talking about. And I think when, for me at least, and i might be taking my use case which again when we talk about gaming handhelds pc handhelds we start really shrinking the pie in general for what use cases are but this is going to as i was just talking about solve oh i can just have a standing box there at the tv that can then work in tandem with the amazing razor computer i have that is going to be you know keep streaming at the 4090 right is what it is yeah whatever it is there's the craziest rtx in it right and then when i want to it's going to work with my handheld like you're talking about an ecosystem that xbox keeps trying to get to and say but this is us and you can play anywhere you play anywhere you play anywhere but it's like guess what i'm already playing steam everywhere i mean yeah the big problem is xbox has an ecosystem we've talked about this for over a decade now of how the install base of xbox is and the people that have their xbox accounts their gamer tags that they've had for decades and the games that they've bought and the experiences that they have achievements and all of that there right and it's like now there is this shift of well there's pc xbox and then there's Xbox console and those are not the same thing no matter how much they say this is an Xbox there are two separate Xboxes and I continue to say this but until Xbox just and they're so they're knocking on the goddamn door of this and they've been knocking on the door of it they need to just be like we're the number one gaming publisher in the world that's what we are don't think of us as hardware anymore we have hardware not the point not what we're pushing until they give up the ghost there i think it's going to be this confusing mess and stuff because i think the sooner they jump on to supporting the steam ecosystem supporting all these others yeah which they are doing currently but they're also lightly competing in a way that they're gonna lose they're losing and they're going to continue to lose where they're winning is the game publishing side and they're going to continue to win there i think that they could just create an avenue to allow themselves to get out of their way and just win even more if they were just rip the band-aid off for some reason they're hemorrhaging blood they're hemorrhaging goodwill user base the ecosystem we're talking about to try to get get a foothold in a space that is already too late to get into for them yeah that's the interesting thing that's the problem please go for that's the problem that what you're saying is is the problem that they're going to face because let's just say this next gen hybrid PC console from Xbox is holiday 2027.

59:49They're going to essentially be two years behind on what Valve is already doing. And if I'm not invested into Game Pass, because I think this is where it comes down to ecosystem, the Xbox games are on Steam. So if I decide I'm buying a Steam machine and I'm just buying the Xbox games that I want to play, I've further entrenched myself into Steam. why would I want to get the next Xbox? I'm going to continue with whatever Steam is doing, not to mention two years from now. Who's to say Valve doesn't have an upgraded Steam machine and or there's OEM partners out there that are going to build similar boxes that are at a higher performance.

1:00:29And if they're cheaper or at price parity, why am I buying that next Xbox? I think, Tim, what we've learned over this past year or so with what Xbox is doing is they're going to stay in hardware, but they're they're trying to slowly rip that bandaid away of we're just the publisher now. Play wherever you want. We will make hardware that's available to you, but we're not expecting people to heavily invest into it. I think people are going to look at other options. People that are on PlayStation are going to stay on PlayStation. People that are invested in Steam now are going to stay into Steam.

1:01:05And then you'll have, obviously, enthusiasts that are hardcore, have already invested in the Xbox ecosystem. They'll probably go pick up that box, depending on what the price is. But they're not competing on hardware anymore. It's just there to say it's there. It's checking a box. I know. And we agree about what we're saying. But they're not presenting it that way. They're presenting it as if their hardware is still a competitor to PlayStation. and that's the simple problem there thought exercise for you guys and i know we don't know the actual numbers here but just bringing something up at this point we know that game pass is quote unquote a success and profitable and whatever you want to call it all those things game pass to paris's point is currently what it means to be an in the xbox ecosystem because there's essentially no other reason right and it continues to look like that is going to remain true going forward what if they just got rid of game pass shut it all down and they are just a publisher releasing 70 titles on playstation 5 on steam on every storefront that's out there and that they just focus on that will they make more money Will they make more money is such a fascinating question.

1:02:17Yes and no. Yes on the Call of Duty side, I guess. You're going to have people that are going to buy Call of Duty no matter the fuck what. Are people going to buy all the other games that they have going on that level that they want? On the levels that they invested on all these other studios that aren't Activision? The Double Finds of the World, the South of Midnight developer, games like that. I don't know. but then also do you look at Call of Duty and go, oh, well, that's able to subsidize all these other things we have going on. I really don't know. So then taking it a step further, then it's like, all right, cool.

1:02:47What if they stopped Game Pass being their number one marketing beat and Game Pass and hardware? I think we already have. God, this is so messy, man. Because to me, it's like that is the, hey, we're still making hardware. You can buy this, and it's the only place that you can get Game Pass. And that's the value there. If you want to invest in that, that makes a lot of sense to a lot of people. but we're being clear here xbox is a ubisoft xbox is going to be on every console possible and they're just marketing their games that way like is that what they want though like as microsoft does microsoft look at xbox and go hey be a ubisoft i mean i i feel like i feel the accidentally moonwalked into they can want a bunch of things but like they're going to just continue to lose if they don't commit to the thing that's working which is being the number one publisher and i keep number one they might not be number one but at a certain point when you own call of duty and everyone else you're number one i think they're eventually going to wake up to that and what we're talking about with microsoft being on top of them and telling them they want this gaming division to make money i think as this continues to play out and unless something dramatic happens right in terms of a game pass turnaround what this next generation hardware looks like what we there's so many moving pieces right now unless something dramatically turns around i think eventually yes microsoft's like we want this to be easy the subscription service is serving x amount of people but those people would probably come and buy these games at full price so what are we doing yeah but isn't that also why it's 30 30 bucks a month now i i think that plays into it is what you're saying i think they're still saying we have it if you want it but we're not losing money on this anymore that's why it's 30 bucks a month so i think the people that would be dedicated to want to give you 30 a month they're essentially i guess subsidizing might be the wrong word but they're they're not gonna they're not taking away from people that would just buy it but here's my pivot or whatever check on that is that i think they said yes at 30 bucks a month we can afford to lose this many people and then we'll still be able to this will still be profitable i wonder if those numbers have gone if those if the if more people have canceled than they expected i wonder again as more people and i know we're talking about the box right now very specifically but as people enter into this ecosystem as you have seen people uh and this is all fucking you know is this is this actual numbers or whatever but as i see people on the subreddit both xbox and playstation posting sold max box bought a playstation here's the whole thing as they see people moving and hemorrhaging and then theoretically still buying xbox games on those new platforms whether it be steam whether it be on playstation i think that starts to work with the arithmetic and then is it when you get that conversation of like okay shit do we need to raise game press to 35 to 40 and you see that's when i think you start to see these we're in such shifting sands all the time today is a shifting sands moment as well for what's happening in red right now with xbox like there's a lot happening at once and i think as it continues to seem like the deck is stacked against xbox they've had the dominoes lined up and they just have never clicked kicked it over to be like we are on a tear and we're beating i mean they did from a game perspective yes yes yes yes but in terms of headlines and goodwill and brand right especially as you come into next year the 25th anniversary of xbox right like it's going to be a defining year next year of what Xbox is doing and where they're going, but I think it seems like the writing is on the wall that eventually Microsoft will be the ones of like, stop fucking around.

1:06:23Stop fucking around. We spent all this money on all these fucking game studios for you. Stop fucking around with this. Why are you even talking about a PC? If you want a high-end PC, people will build their own high-end PCs. They're playing the Steam Box. They're doing whatever. Fuck off. We'll see though. Yeah, I think you're right. I think the only thing I disagree with is that next year is a defining year. I think it's going to be just this slow fucking shamble of like falling and i think it's going to take a couple more years because they won't get out of their own way um and again i don't think xbox is going to die i think the xbox brand is going to at some point be stronger than ever because they just have all of the infinity stones they have the power they just need to snap and do the right thing instead of snapping and trying to make something happen that they can't yeah i don't know i'm fascinated by the conversation conversation because like for me what it sounds like is that they bought Activision and Activision was a symbiote that turned them into Activision.

1:07:13Like you're describing an Activision as a company, right? Hey, we got Call of Duty. Let's just keep making Call of Duty and making money. That's all we do now. That sucks. $69 billion. That sucks. Yeah. Paris? Any more thoughts there? No, I'll make my exit here. I appreciate you guys having me up. I do think it's a fascinating conversation. Like you said, 2026 is going to be very fascinating for what Microsoft is doing. But overall, I'm happy that a Valve exists because it's going to push all these companies to do something different. Yeah. Cool. Thank you, Paris. Thank you. Love you guys. Love you.

1:07:56Love you, dude. Peace. All right. Corey Cudney, Dan, we're in the phase of Venom Xbox where he's clapping and dancing in the street. Remember, I almost texted you this morning about 6 10 a.m you remember when venom in the movie danced with that convenience store lady yeah oh yeah ben woke me up and i don't know why that popped in my head oh he started doing venom stuff because of course he loves venom now so it's like he was doing all venom stuff and that i was like i remember that yeah mr chin yeah remember she showed up at across the spider verse she did of course it was crazy that was a big turnover everyone's favorite character universe well everybody we're here we're here do we have more steam thoughts do we want to move on i can't wait to see what happens next i'm excited i love that yeah um trying to think of the best way to do this because i'm gonna leave go play dispatch so i can do the games cast and uh plus and i are going to continue on with story number two yeah are you good to just keep going do we need some reshuffling do we need to just i mean at one point we got to do dispatch as well but uh yeah we can keep rocking i'm just going to come out there and uh do some things i'm gonna read super chats while you change the set awesome love that everybody i appreciate you guys understanding breaking news kind of big stuff throws us into a tizzy oh yeah we got to figure everything out um we got zeke speak saying i'm so sorry but i'll be buying this day one i don't know what there's to be sorry about yeah no looks like a great product yeah no it looks fantastic maybe they mean the vr then you should apologize that's a joke i'm actually like i i probably won't buy the vr because i'm i've said this right i'm cheap i don't like spending money in the vr that's gonna sit in my closet probably but i am interested in it like if somebody here bought the vr i'd made i might ask to borrow it yeah i'm interested personally in the steam machine where i think out of uh all the people at the desk talking about this i'm the one that is least likely to get it mainly because i don't have a need for it because i have a my pc is connected to my tv so it's like yeah i i don't know that i'm going to need it having said that i do and one thing we didn't talk about i love that the there's the little face plates you can get yeah the face plates look cool and the walnut one they show and i'm like that shit's kind of hot what's crazy and i hate to keep bringing xbox into this but the fact that like it the steam machine to me just looks like you cut an xbox series x in half but they found a way to make it kind of sexy with the face plates like i look at that the led strip yeah it's like all right i i really liked that but yeah i am interested of if i'm going to find a need for this device maybe not my main tv maybe it goes to my living room tv or something i'm not sure but yeah um i'm interested in it i'm excited it exists i do think that this is going to be a major hit my big question is do they get it at best buy like or do they do this theme thing and like keep it to themselves which i don't think so i think this is going to be a huge coming out moment like i mean how much is that a factor i think undeniable is best buy still like that i'm just using best buy as a thing but even the website though yeah even best buy.com you know what i mean okay even amazon can you buy a steam deck on amazon right now that's a really good i'm not sure yeah i'm not sure let's see yeah i guess yeah being on those storefronts that everybody's on right and seeing it is a thing that you could do is a big factor um it looks like you can but maybe not officially because it's like 800 right now for some reason they don't sell steam decks other than the steam store so it's kevin so yeah it's like like think about that right like that type of push that is the difference maker man um navid k says time to sell my series x for a steam machine uh zeig speak says console wars are fucking over this is hot hot hot yeah that's the crazy thing because you mentioned it right of what what is the usage for you personally and i think i'm in a similar spot of i when i'm playing games when i'm playing pc games at home i have a pc built you know like i have a steam deck i have like and i play all my games at my desk so do i really need the steam machine but there is something powerful and we talked about this for years and years and years there's something powerful about the idea of ecosystem where there's playstation hardware that i have where it's like i rarely use this but i like it because it works in conjunction with my ps5 right the only thing the only ps5 hardware that i have where i'm like man why do i have this is my psvr2 and i used it i think this last week yeah luminouser rise but there is something about how much investment i have into steam deck and the steam store and all the stuff where just naturally i look at the steam machine and i'm like i'll find a use for this yeah like i'll put it in my living room it enhances omni add to your point about the PlayStation it's like the PlayStation portal is amazing with the PlayStation 5 and my cloud streaming from remote play on PlayStation to my Steam Deck OLED looks better is a better connection it is simply better and I own it I have it and I still find myself picking up the PlayStation portal yeah and it's because of just how well it works with PlayStation and it is a dual sense with the haptics and all of the PlayStation ecosystem stuff it's like yeah I think it's the difference between I need one and I want one.

1:13:02I really want one. You know what I mean? I really want a steam. I don't need a steam machine, but I want a steam machine. And that's where you want your audience to be. Darren Lewis says, birthday tax. I listen to some form of kind of funny content daily and got all my friends listening. Keep up the great work and thank you for what you do. Happy birthday, Darren. And thank you so much for spreading the good word. It's kind of funny. Bless you. Thank you. Kyle LaBeouf says, Valve always has Half-Life software to showcase its new technology source and Steam for Half-Life 2. God, that was crazy.

1:13:28uh source upgrades for half-life 2 episode 1 and 2 half-life alex for the index half-life 3 is made for these devices it's a lock i was gonna bring up aperture desk job for the steam deck yeah can you play that off of the steam deck yes you can just play it on like your pc i thank you okay i believe baby yeah yeah because i was curious because i was like to the half-life 3 exclusivity conversation i was like is there any precedent so no if aperture desk job was just on steam everywhere then yeah so we're gonna keep doing uh ryan trimble says i went from diehard xbox fan to seeing no reason to ever buy a new xbox console testament to how good steam has been and how bad microsoft has been yeah they really fucked up and like i feel like more and more i am just coming off as a hater but it's like it really really bothers me when we can all of us sat here and we're like this is gonna happen this is gonna happen this is gonna happen and then it all did and then they just kept making the wrong decisions and it's like man i i have resentment for the money that i put into a lot of these things and you can be mad at me for that i don't care it's like i have all these other products i am a consumer and they make me so much happier and they're not causing these problems for me so that's that uh alex fraser says will xbox put game pass on this thing um i don't think so i don't because why would steam want that they want people to buy the games right it's a pc right so that you will be able to yeah yeah but like not officially from the steam big picture mode or whatever no because what the way i do it right now is through streaming like there's a way to set it up so that you will see it on your steam home page right like you can get it to where xbox game passes on that ship it'll all be cloud stuff yeah i'm sure there's a way to make it actually i don't know if there's a way to make it native maybe a nerd out there would be able to figure it out um we have a lot of super chats so Linux so maybe not I don't know I don't know how that shit works Foxy Steve says in a world before all this insanity I'd put a machine like that at about 700 or less in our current fucked world probably no less than 900 I'm gonna be so interested man because I the price of this thing is gonna tell such a story about how dominant Valve's trying to be yeah how aggressive you know are they just trying to just be like hey we're number one in our lane and we're just gonna keep that or they're trying to be like yo this is a takeover you want a pizza bit no because i don't feel confidently one way or the other i don't know why but i feel so confident in 700 yeah yeah i mean that sounds like to me that's the safest of it right because that is i think that to me is a clear it's the it's high but they're trying to get it as cheap as possible roger's running in with the speed i feel like 700 is like the most real is the balance between trying to be realistic about it but also trying to be aggressive in terms of getting it into homes I'm ready to go I want a pizza bet Roger wants a pizza What do you want What do you want What do you want What do you want What do you want What do you want Well are you asking what I Yeah what are you thinking $700 For the steam machine I think under$700 You think under$700 I think they're being extremely They want this They want the smoke And also after watching Digital Foundry's video This has a 8 gigabyte VRAM Situation The GPU is a little Lower than they want I think that this is Specifically at the 500 gigabytes yeah like 500 gigabytes is what i think we're going under 700 dollars oh what's tough is that i lean more towards that than higher like i was willing to bet against like 900 or a thousand but under 700 i kind of you know what fuck it i'll take it let's have fun let's do it how's that fun everybody we're having fun yeah under 700 but like if it's 699 99 i want that i want the that counts that counts for me that counts but a penny is so much this economy yeah yeah but if it's 6.98 then i'll give you yeah okay yeah yeah that's fair i like that i like that yeah roger gets it man i need this console i just want to come out here man i'm gas right now because i ran really fast but i am so excited for this console so deeply like because you and i were talking about this like i need a living room pc and we were talking about the quarter k and we were talking about the quarter which is like which is really cool it's a cool indie project that you know runs you know smaller games at 1080p right so that's cool for that type of uh situation right there but for me i want to tinker i want my living room pc that connects to everything and i i do want to get in the settings and i want to make sure that these games can run like a silent hill left like half-life 3 but what you want more than any of that raj and me and you've talked about this endlessly yeah is you want to be able to pick up a controller yes hit a button and then it turns on yes that is the console experience that currently you can get to if this that and this whatever and if it decides to work that day this to me is the biggest defining moment of like oh it will work is now a console and i believe it it will work yes and i talking back to the xbox on pc situation this is the best of both worlds which you can there's going to be a way for people to like the steam deck dual boot your windows and your steam and i do think this is the beautiful situation that we're in right now right we have which is incredible and then we also have windows trying to make their windows xbox situation going on so in the ideal world we will be able to have eventually steam os and then dual boot the situation and then have windows os on this same device technically like there will be a way to make that happen i expect that day one right well the windows os situation is not on everything oh i got it's still not on it's not on no it's not on steam deck it is on certain devices so eventually we will be able to have the best of both worlds boom turn on your steam okay i want to play xbox game pass games i can play it on my windows version and then i can go to my steam os stuff but man what a cool situation here and i deeply expect half-life 3 to be announced very soon oh yeah that's where i'm at yeah i expect it i think exciting what day is it say thursday today's wednesday yeah it is wednesday i'm gonna give it a week yeah okay by the end of next week half-life 3 exists holy but here's the thing uh-huh what are they they're just doing half-life 3 and they say also it runs on these steam machines or are they saying hey this is also the pricing of the steam machines like how are they like is this connected to the rest of the steam machine stuff see when i think more about it when i really look at the date and i really think about it really process the information i'm like well maybe next week might be people saying game awards and i love that idea because you know of course roger predicted it at the beginning of this year i I just want to put that out there because, you know, Roger Thomas was, you know, that was my Hail Mary.

1:19:56And I think it's going to happen. I don't I also think that even though he has a very strong connection with Valve and he was there day one for Half-Life, I think Valve wants to do it by themselves. I think they want to put up the hey, here's just Half-Life 3 on a random. I could see it, though. And I could see it. And like launch day. And that comes with the launch day of all of this hardware. And then you get a press release right after Game Awards talking about all the pricing. And so, yeah, I think. that and we're also like what today's wednesday tomorrow we're exactly a month away from the game awards and like i think end of next week feels too soon of a follow-up beat for this where like i then would side with tim of why not just do it all at once uh ethan in the chat said the 19th of november is the half-life anniversary i mean okay well i'm going back to my room but also like a lot of the rumors and stuff that we were talking about was talking about next week yeah so and it was talking about half-life three yeah so it wasn't necessarily talking about the hardware stuff so it's like yeah there there is a a i would say a non-zero percent chance and i would say a likely chance that it's next week having said that my gut says game awards and it's because of how big game awards is the viewership and the amazon prime all of the stuff adding up it's just yeah that is the audience you want to speak to literally it's The people that are watching Game Awards, they're the ones that you want to put up the Half-Life 3 biggest excitement thing ever.

1:21:23No matter what's shown here, it's not Half-Life 3. Pre-order now. Let me paint this picture then. Next week, we get Half-Life 3 announced. We get just the smallest trailer, a logo, some sort of thing that's like, hey, Half-Life 3 exists. And then Game Awards, we get the actual, here's gameplay of Half-Life 3. I think that takes away from the impact. Because I think that they want, it's all numbers, right? This is literally marketing. They're now trying to market hardware. Not for the first time, but for the first major time like this, aligned with potentially Half-Life 3. Yes, Valve does things their own way.

1:21:58Rockstar does things their own way. I've heard this a million times. I understand that. Eyes are eyes. More people will watch the Half-Life 3 trailer if it's part of Game Awards because the people that are going to watch it otherwise, they're still going to watch it. And now in the Game Awards, they're all watching it. And when the conversation and excitement is all circling that, for a console that they're talking about coming out, two months potentially after within three months of the game awards. That's when you do it, man. I'm convinced of myself. Okay. See, I feel like it works in more in benefit of game awards than even for half-life three.

1:22:29Yeah. But don't think about it that way. Cause I guess the, you're right. Who cares? But I do think that there's power in Jeff Keighley leading up to game awards being like our first official look of half-life three is going to be there. I think that is the biggest benefit you can get out of this to Jeff. Yeah. But not to valve. That's the thing. Like, but then i'm like jeff yeah they don't play nice because then i'm like why show up at game awards at all then because you'll get more eyes it's just more eyes on the product that you were trying to get people to be to understand believe in and pre-order and also the connection between uh jeff and valve has been such a good one specifically for steam deck and selling it and advertising it and talking about it so i do see that hybrid approach that you're saying a little bit of like hey, we say we just put out the three image and we say next week, next trailer at Game Awards.

1:23:17It opens it and ends it, whatever we do there. But also like, we're getting a little spicy. You know what I mean? Like, spice it up. Is there more? Or is it just Half-Life 3? Is it just Half-Life 3? Because we got a black box tree. We got a, where's the black come from? Because it's a black box, the sea machine. Yeah. Wait, what? Because you know the orange box from 2007 or whatever. But why was it orange box? Do we know? I don't know. I think they're just, The Valve box, right? It's five games. Just orange is their color. Yeah. I think that's it. Yeah. Or the Half-Life color, I guess. Well, it's also...

1:23:49I feel like I've seen the Valve logo is usually orange. Yeah, I know they're like red now. But like, we have Portal 3. We have Portal 3 out there. We have Left 4 Dead 3. Of course, that was not part of the... Left 4 Dead was not part of the original orange box. But we have another... I imagine it would be, could be. We have another 3. And then we have Team Fortress 3. Team Fortress, yeah. Which I think it's about time. It's about time. It's about fucking time for Team Fortress 3. I replaced Deadlock or I replaced Team Fortress with Deadlock. Although times have just changed. Yeah. And also, Deadlock just needs to be a free to play thing.

1:24:16That's going to be its own thing, right? Yeah. I don't think, I mean, you could just add it as part of it, but man, I, part of me, part of me like deep in my soul. It's like, we've been cooking on this for a while. We have all these, all these different games being created. What if it is, Hey, three, you know, we put the logo out, we put a little teaser out and then maybe that's the Jeff announcement where it's like, Oh no, you thought it was just half life. It's like, Oh, thing i know we're going crazy i know i know but like but i just i'm having so much fun though this is what this is all about real talk i don't think that a orange box makes sense in this day and age i don't think it made sense in that day and age that was lightning in a bottle craziness and whatever it was also awful on consoles it was a bad idea of like hey we're gonna put team fortress 2 on this and we're never gonna update it i think it's a bad idea if they're launching this thing it is not a like you don't need more than just half-life 3 like it's half-life 3 and your steam library and all that stuff what if that more is portal though but but the portal i think is that's that's next year that's the next like they're going to now treat this like then they're going to need beats to sell this console in stores going forward here's my pitch for it and then this is pure comments chill out you know because like we're gonna i'm getting into copium hopium like we're having fun here yeah we're having a good time we're having a good time we're here to have pizza bets because my because my thing would be if you wanted to get portal in in it give me a portal one size portal you don't have to call it portal three oh yeah you call it portal colon something yeah and then that is the tee up for in the net within the next three years what finally we're getting our portal three see that's a great idea because that's kind of what half-life alex was i mean of course it was a different situation but it was that team getting to know that half-life universe and then clearly tee themselves up to make half-life three so we can get that again of like hey we're maybe it's a co-op experience right i mean that's so huge right now these co-op video games and portal 2 the streets yearn for court portal 2 yeah and even to that point i was saying this earlier and barrett brought up a good point of making people throw up but like if the vr hardware is being pushed by a portal thing if it is a spinoff title yeah that does have it's in the spirit of portal but it's not actually portal but it's using the vr it's revived like like an aperture desk job where you are kind of just like sitting sitting in one place like i could see something like that oh interesting yeah that would be so that's the the vr element i guess killer app and then we have over here half-life three be the the steam machine killer app that's smart actually that's really smart yeah actually that's a really smart idea that actually i align with because i think you have to have something for vr that's like the the thing yeah if it is just a tech demo you need to have something yeah but i mean also this vr is like pushing like hey you can play regular games on it too so i wonder i mean them showing hades it's like they're they're what i love about the showcase of this is when you are creating a product for mass consumption it's the use case when people watch it they need to go okay but how does that apply to me and they're understanding that the thing they're selling here it's not mainly for the vr games it is for people that just want a screen to be able to play their steam library right that's awesome you also get the vr games and we'll see how many of those there are and all that stuff but like there's a use case there that makes sense like and and if it's not three thousand dollars like the apple vision pro that's a viable product to a group of people i also don't think that they're going to push that the steam machine is going to be the main thing they're pushing yes right yes but i also think that there is a a possibility that a half-life or portal 3 have just built in vr modes too if we're doing that yeah yeah earlier did they say does the does the headset work with the machine with the steam machine i believe so yeah they're all talking to each other and all that stuff so okay that's pretty sick because like then i'm because i'm trying to think of the of pricing it out because if you're somebody who's like i'm just gonna buy the family of systems right are we really talking about like a thousand dollars to the vr headset or how much was the psvr 2 550 yeah i want to say because that was a powerful piece of hardware i say it was like it is like it isn't around anymore but no but how much was the hdc not the hdc5 i guess like the index when that that launched the valve index that's i that that's i think yeah where we can base base this off of valve index i mean the five nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine yeah so i think we're gonna we're gonna be around there we're gonna we're gonna be around a thousand dollars for sure and chad's saying for psrt we're talking about 550 and 599 so we're in that range i don't know the br aspect is the one where i have the most question marks as far as like how well you can really push it but they don't need to put it they know the hardcore and i also think that like they have like that enthusiast feeling inside the company itself right like gabe is a big you know vr person like they love it so i think they're going to keep on supporting it and this is their version of it but yeah this is clearly like the hey we're not going to push it as much but a portal a portal size like a smaller situation that is exclusive to a vr it would fucking people would go freak the fuck out but also they were fine when half-life alex came out was really good so yeah this thing is just don't call it portal 3 and we're good you know yeah like call it whatever aperture flatless's return or something she's back but she's not a potato again uh flying penguin says if this comes in at 500 bucks xbox is done uh colin barry says does valve allow xbox game pass epic games gog again i think that it's uh no on the linux but yes on the you can figure it out there will be there will be a 10 minute tutorial that will teach you how And not even in an allegedly way.

1:29:36No. They're telling you this allows you to. Yeah, it's a computer. That's it. Mr. Hawks says, birthday tax. If y 'all want to pull together to pre-order this new Steam machine for me, I won't say no. Thanks and advice. Happy birthday, Mr. Hawks. Joe Martin says, first time, long time. Does the existence of a Steam box not threaten Microsoft's current hardware strategy? Who would choose Windows 11 over Steam? Yeah, we talked intensively about that. um if let's see uh irk film says if they can nail the price the specs seem similar to the average hardware from the october 2025 hardware survey survey i think most people most console users will enjoy it um mini bagel says what a great day to catch my first games daily live shout out to all the audio listeners timmy blessing you're the best thank you so much

1:30:26Kyle said play through Hades 2 with my Steam Deck docked at a locked 1440p, 120 frames per second, my 4K LG OLED, wonderful experience God, what a time to be alive If you're an audio listener on Spotify specifically if you made it this far, let me know what are you doing while listening to this or watching Are you driving a truck? Are you doing work? I just want to know Yeah, me too Cognitive Clip said they should have called it the GabeCube oh yay i liked it uh rod says steam machine plus steam deck combos the same relationship as the future ps6 plus playstation handheld um yeah i wouldn't be surprised if that's the case where it's like they are both their own hardware their own things but they're using the same library and there's obviously limitations between them but i do think you'll be able to stream and all that we're in an interesting place uh carnell says this is really good for ones who want a portable pc but i don't think this is for console players because there's still games missing on pc like sports games madden and 2k just got good on pc yeah but i think you're thinking about it from uh from the wrong person yeah like lane i think there's a there's a growing amount of gamers that are playing a lot of non-sports games like even on the casual level of people that are just playing like cozy games or they're playing hawkworth's legacy i'm just naming popular things but you know what i mean right yeah you know video games have become so much more as far as like mainstream stream casual stuff has become so much more than like the sports titles in college man spider-man spider-man of us yeah things god of war and like those are all games you can play on pc people are becoming nerdier every day i don't know if y 'all noticed people are becoming so much nerdier i think they're also figuring out the deals on steam i think that's been a big thing is like just how inexpensive it is to be a pc gamer a lot of the times once you get past that barrier so yeah i think that's that's coming up a lot bender a sense is wild prediction in the valley of the gods as a launch title see i was thinking about what's santo camp campos santos what's what they mean no they're doing half-life they're the team so that's what happened correct me if I'm wrong chad is that they joined that team right they joined valve they joined value then I think canceled in the valley right no so that's what happened is that uh allegedly tell let me know chad if I'm if I'm fucking this up but that the way that valve works right internally is that you can kind of just work on whatever like it's like kind of based on passions and kind of like of course the money makers but like if you can just kind of go there and make a team and make something happen they that team came in got really passionate about half-life of course made half-life alex and they were like we don't really want to make this other thing and they just kept on going with that going that so that's so good that's kind of yeah so that's that's that's what i've seen so they're excited um opponents prime says i feel like they have to do a half-life one and two remake a 20 year later sequel outside of old heads and people hearing of the legend of half-life who cares in 2025 yeah i they've remade them they've remade them with rtx on and all that stuff even if it's unofficially exactly like there's black mace out unofficially been officially supported yeah you know what i mean like i don't think we're gonna get a half-life one and two remake and to your point like i get it in theory i just think half-life three is the exception to the rule like half-life three is it's the type of thing it's like hollow knight silksong on the biggest scale possible where people that didn't play hollow knight played silksong because there was so much talk and excitement around it the moment that like even if you're a 13 14 year old kid or whatever if you're listening to gaming podcasts and you haven't played half-life one or two or anything like that when this conversation's happening you're now interested in half-life holy shit i just forgot to bring out earlier this makes sense when you get to wii news but i like him yeah when half whenever they reveal half-life 3 that's going to be a very viral moment and that moment alone is going to sell it to maybe and people will go backwards too like they'll play half-life 3 and they'll be like fuck i should play the other ones too the thing people are yeah people will pick up and play black mesa and about a quarter of the way through they're gonna be like i don't want to do the rest of this yeah who would do that because me also maybe some maybe some people at this table around this table like get motion sick and want to throw up every single time they play half-life but they still love it but they still fucking love it i don't play alex though alex looks like it yeah uh gene sandoval says not sure if mentioned but do we think this sets the system requirements for half-life 3 yeah that was something we didn't talk about earlier but i i was thinking about it like that needs to be playable on steam deck and and that's the thing too is like i don't think that that's a bad thing we talk about this so much we don't need games to be pushing the fucking boundaries because i think that creates problems like having a game as big as half-life 3 being still amazing look at half-life alex it still was amazing but it's like i don't think it needs to be last of us two levels no but that's it's never been valve's thing sorry but it's like that's like the source engine right the source two edges specifically that's what i was going to bring up right i think this is probably a gamescast conversation of what does half-life 3 need to do because half-life 1 half-life 2 and half-life alex did bring something special as far as what they do for technology whether it be physics whether it's what alex was doing in vr and all this shit half-life is known for pushing things forward i mean i think the answer simply is it's getting pcs into the home theater into the living room i think that's the thing i think this is like like this is not about pushing tech forward this is about pushing like the hardware forward right and the ecosystem uh forward and i think like when you look back to what did half-life 2 do it was source yeah right and it's like i think that this is going down that path like it's it makes perfect sense yeah and then they're gonna do some crazy things with physics again like that's also the thing about even though they don't push like the graphic fidelity of these games like the internal way that they build these games out and also like half-life 2 specifically the what it did with the gravity gun and everything was insane so and i then i get fascinated because if you're gonna do that right what is the future of that like is it you're gonna drop this like a fucking frank ocean album and then say all right goodbye yeah i feel like if you make technology like that you want to keep using it well that's well that's the good thing is that now we have a team that cares right we have the half-life alex team that now is like hey they're the people that are making half-life now so hopefully unless they get bored like we're gonna we're gonna continue to get this maybe have actually for the first time in a long time like it's pretty somewhat consistent valve releases i don't believe it i believe in that team i believe that team cares about half-life and cares about that franchise so as long as they're around i think we will get things yeah uh james peter says specs list display port 1.4 so 120 frames per sec per second is definitely possible yes but tvs for the most part don't have display ports right so that's that's the problem of like this being in the living the whole point of it well just something to keep your eye on there i don't think it's the end of the world but it's definitely not ideal news um is says birthday tax just turned 23 and moved to socal from the east coast for my dream job shout out to kind of funny for keeping me company for so many years been watching since i was in middle school lol and thanks for all you do happy birthday congratulations that is awesome happy birthday um let's see tim c says guys if this is 800 it's dead on arrival it's a very low entry level pc it's a ps5 i mean i i just disagree i think this is going to be a success and i don't think it's going to sell ps5 numbers but i think even at 800 this thing is going to hit um colin barry says i don't think half-life has the brand awareness you guys think it will to sell to the normies who only buy one to three games a year who are the majority doesn't tune into games daily the day after half life 3 comes out and let's talk about those one million concurrent players will have like it's you're right in theory this is the one exception to that I'm looking at Apollo Knight's Silksong sales real quick oh it's going to be triple that you think that was a lot?

1:38:04holy shit like people are getting nerdier everyday I'm trying to tell you all this Tristan says they need to market this heavily sorry I think they're talking about the Steam machine I was talking about Half-Life I'm like you don't need to market that at all you put that out tomorrow Ryan Downing says head of a flashlight warranty department and I listen everyday love you guys answering your question I asked the Spotify listeners great great stuff don't respond don't respond but if you do respond comment on spotify because you can do that no yeah pretty sick um all right everybody we're here bye everybody moving on to story number two we got it we have to bless it's an hour and 49 minutes into the show nintendo reveals the first trailer for the super mario galaxy movie with brie larson joining the cast this comes from chris scullion at vgc nintendo's published the first full trailer and revealed a couple new cast members.

1:38:52The second Illumination film will see Mario and friends traveling to space as in the Super Mario Galaxy games. New characters confirmed for the second movie are Rosalina and Bowser Jr., the latter of whom will appear as a villain with Bowser still trapped in a cage at Peach's Castle. Is it okay that we're showing this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just that it's the initial, like, with audio and stuff. Barrett's on it. Gotcha. Barrett's the man of the plan. I trust Barrett. Rosalina will be played by Brie Larson, best known for playing Captain Marvel in the MCU and for her Academy Award winning performance in Room.

1:39:23And she was in Community for a season. Hell yeah. Bowser Jr. meanwhile will be played by Benny Softy. I learned so much about Benny Softy this morning. The filmmaker and actor who wrote and directed The Smashing Machine and Uncut Gems and also acted in a ton of different things. Aaron Horvath and Michael Jelinek have returned to direct the sequel while Matthew Foglos returned to write the screenplay and Brian Tyler, one of the goats has returned to compose the score. Blah blah blah. They say more stuff. We, me and Bless, reacted to this earlier. You could watch the video of our live reaction to the trailer for the first time on YouTube.

1:39:55So now we didn't get to talk in that about our thoughts on it. Bless, what are yours? I mean, I'm so much looking forward to this. I think it's mostly everything we expected. I think in our above and beyond predictions of what could appear, we talked a lot about Wario and Waluigi. We didn't get any of that, but also I'm not surprised that we didn't get any of that. I think everything we saw here were kind of the essentials of what you would expect from a Super Mario Galaxy movie coming after that first Mario movie that we watched. We're getting Bowser Jr. to replace Bowser as like the main villain, seemingly, right?

1:40:26We get Rosalina. I think the casting choices, I can't really speak much to Ben Softee, but fucking, you know, Rosalina getting Captain Marvel, like, let's fucking go. I think that's such an excellent casting choice. Brie Larson's awesome. Yeah, I'm going to say this. uh Rosalina getting Captain Marvel not so excited about that getting Brie Larson very excited about that sure this is one of those situations where John Cena I love him as an actor John Cena as a serious military guy actor please no please no Captain Marvel's character in the MCU not my favorite and I think it like is a it sucks because Brie Larson is incredibly talented so fun to watch I think that she's just so charismatic and like they just didn't use her the right way the Marvels was a step forward uh compared to Captain Marvel but anyway I just want to say because I know a lot of people have a negativity towards her for some stupid ass reasons but there is some validity that I can even say like I understand yeah having said that you think about her in Scott Pilgrim I love her as Andy Adams Scott Pilgrim the bear like I know I mentioned community and I was half talking but seriously like community I think is what was one of the original things I remember seeing her her and i guess it would have been scott pilgrim but i she does have range and a level of i think comedy to her that really does work when they write her the right way and she's a nintendo fan yeah legit so it's like i'm all about that hers and rosalina that works to me i can't believe i didn't think about it when we were talking about the predictions of who's gonna voice her like i didn't even cross my mind yeah and it should have i'm very happy about that benny softy as bowser jr incredibly weird yeah i love him i actually he's incredibly talented him as bowser jr not anybody i would have picked but i love the energy i love that these mario movies the casting still has that weird anything can happen vibe and uh when we were reacting we saw that it hit like last time when they just had all the guests they're like what are we talking about fred armison is frankie kong like okay um but yeah i i really enjoyed the first movie and um yeah he was in Oppenheimer like come on um but seeing this trailer I'm like oh we're we're getting more of Mario movie one and to me that is absolutely not a bad thing yeah oh and certain scenes look beautiful as well I love the space stuff I can't wait to see way more of the the space stuff in the final movie because I think what you can do with that visually you can go real hard with that even though what we saw from uh both the uh was it Peach and Luigi that took the star shooter up to space yeah like seeing that was cool seeing rosalina use the star shooters to take out the legs of the big spider i forget what it's called uh mega leg mega yeah like come on that was really sick man good shit and i love rosalina being op as hell that makes sense to me and like yeah seeing her use some of her smash brothers move set i'm like god man these are the things to me that i'm like this is what this movie is and i understand there are people that are like the mario movie needs to be pixar level good and i'm like i get that and in a dream world that's what's out no that's not what this is like this is a sequel to the mario movie we saw they're keeping that energy it's everything in the kitchen sink it is member berries up the wazoo toast arena for some reason but mario odyssey which is great i love that because we're getting the mad max vibe of mario and luigi on the like mario cart scooters like or bikes like going through the desert that's cool as shit um we got the the ninjis from super mario 2 yeah in what looks like a level from mario wonder uh the the ninja disco party i think it was uh we when they're like flying through the galaxy the little little bit we saw a peach and toad like i don't remember the name of the level but it's the one that's like covered in like water yeah and they kind of like dip in just a bit like we're getting so much great stuff and bowser jr with his mario wonder form where it's like when you face off against him as a boss fight i'm like i do love like them jumping a galaxy is not what i ever would have predicted and i feel a little conflicted about it where i'm like why are we rushing like we know we're gonna get mario movies forever like why why are we jumping to galaxy why not do world i do think it's weird yoshi wasn't in this trailer but also when we look at the marketing beats the first movie had we're just getting started this movie's coming in april i bet at game awards we get an actual clip that is two minutes of just from the movie that will show a lot more stuff like i imagine that's where we see yoshi yeah i was gonna say trailer number two i think we're gonna see a lot more right we talk about what we haven't seen but yeah the fact that we know and expect yoshi to be here based off of like leaked marketing stuff and the fact that we didn't get that there are probably other things that we haven't seen yet maybe there is hope for wario maybe there's hope for waluigi and other characters in there um i feel like they played it very conservative with how much they showed us in this trailer which i like for a first trailer yeah don't show me everything in the first trailer there's more trailers and also there's the final movie to surprise me and delight me so yeah and i do like that in the direct we got that the little clip of rosalina after that felt so right and it was beautiful it's like oh my god this is what like mario galaxy would look like on a super insane pc right like god stunning um the little luma is like i liked that comedy bit the bowser comedy stuff it is like okay this is some of the stuff that i'm less obsessed with from the first mario movie but it is what it is i'm not mad at it it doesn't get in the way and parts of it made me laugh a little yeah yeah i'm 100 with you right it's one of those things where i'm like it's a kid's movie it's gonna appeal to kids jack black being jack black is going to work on kids and so i'm here for the ride you know i'm the kids deserve what they get from this movie and i deserve the memory barriers and we're gonna get all of that yeah um but yeah overall very very stoked on that i i can't wait to watch that trailer many more times we only got to watch it the one time so um let's see what the chat has to say for this opponent's prime says galaxy looks like a lot of fun i just hope it isn't the greatest hits like the first movie and has some depth and heart to it like a pixar film would yeah yeah yeah i don't think you're gonna get that and again i also think that we like understate some of the more powerful quote-unquote moments from the first movie i do think the storyline between mario and luigi and like the brotherhood and all that stuff it's not like a the entire thing is about that like pixar type stuff but it's like the moments are there and it does hit yeah re-watch the mario movie I compel you yeah I mean from everything we've talked about so far with this movie and seeing the first trailer it does feel like the writers are kids in a candy store when it comes to the amount of game material that you can include in this when we're looking at all the oh galaxy I'll tell Serena oh this all that like I but I do fuck with it like it is that messy thing of oh we're at galaxy already but I also am when you're making a Mario thing you talk about the depth like we don't really know mario for story and writing depth you know what i mean we know mario for fun and shenanigans i guess you know jumping around hitting blocks and doing all that shit that is true and again i i am gonna come off as a mario movie defender because i am a mario movie defender the mario movie gave us story yeah we know his family we're in brooklyn like there's so much stuff that like we've kind of put together in our heads but it's like i like that stuff i i feel like the Mario movie world is interesting to me and I want to see how they adapt game elements to it but it's like they're building a world that is its own that can have a peach that is very different than the peach we know because the peach we know is just a damsel in distress it's just weird you know what I mean like thank you Mario that's pretty much it but it's like now we have a much more compelling character I think so um all right let's see I'm so thrown about right now because we're trying to figure out how to like deal with the day with the rest of shows we have with uh all the surprise news that came in um so i'm trying to figure something out give me one second i mean do you want me to move on to story number three i can restore yes please do that all right we're gonna hop into story number three a new ratchet and clank game has been announced this is from sal romano at gamatsu and there's a trailer that's uh come out with it publishers sony interactive entertainment in beast bioxo arena suit team developer obb have announced free-to-play multiplayer arena shooter Ratchet & Clank Ranger Rumble for iOS and Android.

1:48:29Pre-registration is available now via the official website. Here's a brief overview of the game. Quote, the iconic characters from the Ratchet & Clank franchise are back in a stunning, fast-paced arena shooter packed with explosive weapons and larger-than-life action. Experience the humor, action, and energy of the iconic universe in a bold new real-time multiplayer format. Play as a legendary hero from the past, now with unique abilities, go solo, or team up with other Rangers online and thrilling multiplayer games built for every kind of player. Free to download soon. What? For the longest time I've been asking what's going on with the mobile game division of Playstation because they heavily invested in this or in that division years and years ago.

1:49:11I want to say 5 or 6 years ago. I remember talking about it since the beginning of when we brought back PS I Love You as far as what are they doing with this mobile stuff? How many mobile games we're going to see from PlayStation. It feels like ever since then, it's been a trickling of them. Like we get them just every now and then. And whenever we get them, they don't feel like big deals. And I guess to some level, I'm fine with that. Like maybe it is the balance of we don't want to make our audience feel like this is, this is what Ratchet and Clank is now. You don't want to over, I guess over market what you're doing with these franchises when it looks like this, because this doesn't look good.

1:49:49in my opinion it doesn't look good i'm with it's it's complicated because like look i'm not gonna play it but i do think it looks good this looks like it has care put into it and i think that like broadening the rationing crank i beat the fact that the ip is not dead is a very good sign yes um but them continuing to try to make it more relevant and like going to places that people that would play these games are which is mobile i think is the right call if we're gonna get a PlayStation Studios mobile game I'm happy it looks like this compared to what I think this could be um but again having said that I'm not interested in playing it and I'm a huge Ratchet and Clank fan so it's kind of like a weird like who is this for but there's an answer for that and I they're like why is this happening there's an answer for that um and as long as this isn't getting in the way of what a real quote-unquote Ratchet and Clank is you know what's messed up is that I liked Ratchet deadlocked you remember ratchet deadlocked oh yeah did you play ever did you ever play that one that was like very much more arena focused yeah arena combat with like a leaning towards multiplayer but it was during an era where it's like multiplayer was well i played on ps2 i forget it came out on ps3 somebody kind of funny you're wrong me yeah no that's ps2 ps2 okay yeah because that was it felt like a game that was almost ahead of its time at least for me when i was it where in what way it felt like a game that should have been kind of what this is funny enough it should be an online game it should be a i'm matchmaking and going into these arenas and fighting either with or against people that felt like a game that almost could have been multiplayer only for the kind of thing that that it was um and so on some level i look at this and i go oh this is to me looks like the return of deadlocked in a way interesting and maybe i'm misremembering I think of Deadlock just more as like, hey, the combat in Ratchet and Clank is super fun.

1:51:36Let's just do the tournament arc, essentially, of Ratchet and Clank as a video game. It's not quite a spinoff, but it's less focused on the platforming and more focused on the combat. Was it even multiplayer? I don't think it was. Was it not? Maybe it was. I didn't play it that way. Also, it did come out on PS3, apparently. As a classic, I think. Oh, okay, okay, okay. because yeah ratchet and clank rebranded ratchet and clank future on the ps3 ah um i just gave deadlocked an 8.8 out of 10 but yeah i guess what i guess my thought process then is is that like the arena shooter vibe of ratchet and clank can work and can be fun because the weapons are crazy and like the enemy the action is so good in ratchet and clank and i think we understate that because where we think of it as a platformer and all this shit right but the action is so fun so I can see this format working for it.

1:52:28There was multiplayer. There was multiplayer. Okay, cool, cool, cool. I guess for me, it's the art style that I don't like for this new mobile thing. Looks like a mobile game. It looks like a mobile game. Yeah, but guess what? It is a mobile game. It's a mobile game. So, yeah. Very interesting stuff. Let's move on to our next story. But, Bless, I need to let you know. We've talked about some of the biggest news we've ever talked about on the show today. We have. if i want to know about something a lot smaller where would i look we go to our last story the we news channel we cover all the small news items you need to know about and i've i demoted some of the items because we've gotten so long in the show arc raider arc raiders publisher oh yeah this is not a great we news thing to start with this was one that i wanted to talk about the full news story but y 'all understand arc raiders publisher defends generative ai use insist every game company is now using it this comes from vicky blake at ign um they suggest players should quote assume that every game company is now using ai that sucks it's a you know i i won't even say it's boiled down because that is kind of just the quote of the article um but if you want to read the full article go to ign read the vicky blake article yeah that sucks it's also one of those things where even within the context of the whole whole article i wish there was more i wish there was more to it i wish there was more said because that's just unequivocally untrue right we've had game companies come out and be like nintendo for example hey we're not using it here right like we know many indie companies i saw just oliver nelson tweeting about this yesterday of like no a lot of indie studios just don't use ai because fuck that shit um i think the people where a lot of the energy of this quote might come from might be from the triple a shareholder side of where you're seeing the money uh go and what people are willing to invest in because ai is a big buzzword in in like in where money goes in investment and so yeah a lot of people are using ai right a lot of people are starting to use ai but there's way more nuance than uh about it than this and i think there's a big conversation to be had about arc raiders and their implementation because it gets real messy at a certain point yeah man this fucking sucks i hate this world we're in generative ai sucks why are we doing it but there's answers to why and the answer is money where wins meet is at a 69 on open critic right now craig robinson at gamer guides uh gave it a 68 out of 100 saying where winds meet is a fantastic rpg for either players looking for a solid action combat game with more grounded storytelling or two more mmo like players wanting a social experience however it's marred by technical implementation weighing the game down quite dramatically yeah that was kind of the consensus i was seeing as i was pulling together the review roundup jerry green at ig and gave it a six out of ten as well and i've been seeing a lot of scores float from six to seven range with some eights out there uh as well this one i was looking forward to just out of curiosity because it's one of those everything games it's one of those it's free to play but you look at it and it looks almost like it's an assassin's creed style third person action thing but the more you see gameplay the it seems like a how the fuck does this game exist one second you're playing mahjong the other you're hanging out in this like luscious open world the other you're doing some other random bullshit um reminds me a little bit of like a crimson desert that's coming up for example or even maybe a genshin or yeah these games that feel like they're almost too good to be true and sadly from these reviews so far it seems like yeah it's marred by technical difficulties slash translation stuff um not living up to maybe what people would have wanted out of it but where wins meet another one another one uh sega this comes from vgc sega's announced that it will be raising employee salaries again three years after its last salary increase in a press release the company said to be revising the salary levels of full-time employees at its japanese subsidiary and would be raising the starting salary for new employees i'm tired of these fucking big triple a wait they're wait they're raising the money oh shit they're raising the salaries yeah just in japan but still good on you sega wow good big stuff playstation extra and premium games for november have been announced gta 5 insurgency still wakes the deep pacific drive monster champs showdown talus principle 2 thank goodness you here MotoGP 25 25 and Tomb Raider anniversary Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 has sold 4 million copies Congrats, that's huge Falcom will release Trails in the Sky second chapter during the fiscal year ending September 2026 From GamesIndustry.biz Ubisoft veteran Johannes Theim has founded Quality Time Studio a new developer based in Lower Saxony, Germany The Analog 3D ships November 18th which finally, I hope this isn't a lie.

1:57:11You pre-ordered it, right? I pre-ordered this. I am so excited to see it and hear about it from you. I'm excited to get it. It's been delayed for so long that I kind of stopped being excited about it. And now that I see the Steam machine, I'm kind of like, man, I feel like that's going to be the living room thing. When that comes out, that's going to replace my analog 3D. But I'm excited for it. N64 era, we're here. 4K N64 games. It's what I want. uh cult of the lamb makes its mobile debut on apple arcade december 4th and the american red cross is teaming up with pac-man which is why he's here um they're celebrating the 45th anniversary of the game score an exclusive pair of red cross and pac-man socks here they are uh when you come to give november 17th or december through december 7th 2025 uh what's Garrett, you guys.

1:58:00Yeah, we don't need to address that. And that's it for Weedews. You want these socks? I'm good. You can have them. I'll have these socks. You can have these socks.

1:58:17I love getting new socks.

1:58:23Does anybody want this Pac-Man toy? I don't either. Kebabs, normally I wouldn't do this. Oh no. But I'm going to do it just because they're good and they are the Ratchet and Clank person here. Kebabs, Super Chat's insane. I put my Ratchet and Clank Ranger Rumble thoughts into your wrong. This is not what your wrong is for. This is not what it's for, Kebabs. This is not what it's for, but I'm going to... You're rewarding bad behavior, Tim. I know. I know. I know. but Ratchet Deadlock originally released on PS2 but was given a digital only port to PS3 in 2013 and then they're saying that my first thoughts on Ranger Rumble the music quickly stood out to me felt like leaning more towards classic PS2 Ratchet stuff which fans have been pining for for decades at this point it isn't as radical a departure as one might think it's a lot like the multiplayer modes and up your arsenal deadlocked and even full frontal assault but with slower movement and some only butt stuff you forgot just butt stuff you gotta ratchet there despite this i still expect most of the fan base to be disappointed the game exists uh you're not playing as ratchet aaron at ig's confirmed it's in a simulation using a generic brown lombax instead of rivet is a head scratcher though i do really like the art style but the lack of pc pc or ps5 versions immediately kills my interest a little bonus trivia it's not the first mobile ratchet and clank game going mobile and before the nexus exists and i'm gonna stop it there but thank you kebabs for your fandom of ratcheting clank don't do that again but thank you and that's been games daily i will let everyone know we are not doing kind of funny podcast today i apologize there won't be one this week at this point this episode was too crazy too long we have too much to do today you know executive decisions had to be i i'll say i think the trade-off was worth it yeah me too i love kind of funny podcast but we had a lot to talk about We did.

2:00:08We did. So thank you all for joining us today. Bless has to go play dispatch so that later today, he can go get on the review and spoiler. We'll see if I make it. We'll see. We'll see. Best laid plans, everybody, but thank y 'all for understanding. You are the best till next time. Stay tuned for the stream. Do the dark ages.

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