Why Hollow Knight Silksong is So Hard, Team Cherry Explains - Kinda Funny Games Daily 09.18.25

13:29Andy Cortez:I see a lot of people saying things in there that are correct I can't say who if you're right or wrong I can't confirm just look at go to gameinformer.com slash 2025 and look at the games in the next two to three weeks and go oh yeah they're probably gaming yeah there's a lot of shit going on over here so yeah back to it though sorry

13:45Blessing Adeoye Jr.:are you enjoying silks or do you want to save it till tomorrow do you not want to die because we can move on for silksong yeah oh i'm not on the i'm not on the review am i oh i don't know i think it's just tim andy and myself yeah tomorrow it's tim shepherding the two guys who have theoretically

13:59Andy Cortez:beaten it at that point i'm and i'm talking mainly andy i don't put pressure on him but it put lots and lots of hours into it silksong i adored what i played and what i did i haven't played more since the review so what did i do at the time i was 10 12 something like that uh maybe a little bit more um i had a great time with it in a different world would still be playing it but it's that i'm on to the next thing on the next thing it's the review season right now because they don't need me to come in and be like well i played in another 10 hours i'm 20 hours into barrett's 75 like you know what i mean and andy to stream and all these different things i i think silk song is great i as i said in the thing had had those skill check moments and i've overcome all of them now i have not gotten to the crazier bosses like when they were like we've nerfed these boss i'm like i don't know who these men are so i i don't even know who you are so it's like clearly i'm not saying like i'm god to hear anything like that but it's that thing of like i've been enjoying silk song enough and we had this conversation in the review right where it's like the way hell is us had set me up of like oh man i kind of liked getting my ass handed to me and not understanding certain things yeah this was a great follow-up chaser to that shot and so like i was in it for that and having a great time with that and and exploring and getting the map and failing and losing the beads and yada yada yada but i'm also not there's so many other things i'm playing and having such a great time that i don't sit there going man i gotta get back to hollow knight yeah like i i love the shit out of those 10 hours those 12 hours whatever it was whatever i said in the review uh but no i'm not like i gotta get back i'm happy that it's doing

15:27Blessing Adeoye Jr.:as well as the internet hype would have let would have led you to believe right like before the game came out we had a small conversation of how much do we think this game is going to sell like how well do you think this game is actually going to do not critically because we assumed it was going to do great critically right but like in terms of audience reception in terms in terms of how many people are actually going to play this game yeah it's crazy to see that even till now i look at the steam db for the concurrence and you're still i assume right now if i look you're still going to be in the hundreds of thousands right like so many people are playing this game there was a story yesterday that we had about how um hollow knight silk song had already eclipsed a third of the sales of the original Hollow Knight.

16:04Blessing Adeoye Jr.:And if you remember that game came in around like 15 million sales. And so that game's cruising. Like I already cruised past the success, right? Now cruising toward, oh yeah, we're, we're good for life. If you're the developers, right? It's like, oh yeah, we can retire off this. Oh, for sure.

16:20Andy Cortez:Hopefully they'll go back to work on another, you know, Magnum, another masterpiece. I think that goes back to it. You know, it's a hundred thousand people still playing this game right now. It's all we've had. that I don't we don't need to drag out the horse that has been killed revived killed again dead or a undead whatever of difficulty in games artistic vision X Y and Z but it's been interesting to see the way Hollow Knight has sucked people in silksong is sucked people in and sure there I've seen plenty of people I see if you're if you don't follow Janet Garcia on BS that's blue sky Tim you should because every night's a therapy session of this poor woman playing this game and it's the last time she's going to do it she's no she'll be back tomorrow this that the other no i'm not going to chase rosary beads i'm chasing rosary beads like the ups and downs of janet's journey with this like you can see the writing on the wall if it's driving her mad but it also is like such i think that speaks to what a kind of game it is that it's able to draw in a janet garcia greg miller this is not our you know bread and butter game but like i loved it and wanted to

17:18Blessing Adeoye Jr.:something i'd be like interested to examine i'm sure many people have already talked about this right it's like hollow knight it's not it's not a soul's like like i wouldn't describe it as a souls like but there's like some souls like things about it namely you know when we talk about the difficulty of of it we talk about how punishing it can be but then also you talk about the setting and being just thrown into this mysterious world and exploring around and like even tonally there's things about it that feel akin to a like a dark souls yeah for sure vibe to it even though it's a different genre even though it is metroidvania it's firmly in that i wonder what what it is about that style of game nowadays that's really resonating with people because it's not just resonating with the hardcores it is visibly resonating with a gigantic bulk of people who play video games and i wonder if that's like right now we're in an era where people just want to torture themselves i wonder if we're in an era where people want to play something that respects their uh intelligence intelligence and respects their ability to figure things out and their ability to try again until they get it i i i really wonder what that what it is about that that's resonating because it resonates with me as well 100 right i love that shit yeah but i don't

18:31Andy Cortez:know why i think you know i i i put up on bs that's blue sky tim yesterday and uh instagram as well uh this video from poogles a kind of funny best friend uh it was a video i said i don't know if you got a chance to see it you should check it out as a fan but about how we're playing games wrong and it is this idea that we devour them and on the next thing you don't sit there and process anything you don't get to live in anything and i think because of these skill checks and what do i do next and i'll double back here and you end up living in that hollow knight silksong world in a way that you don't in a lot of games same thing i was talking about with hell's us right where it was like these environments i walk into that has no map and i'm like i'm gonna be lost forever but two hours later i've been there long enough and run around that i now understand that i now vibe with it and the same thing you know so we have a super chat here from why blessings who says there are some bosses in silksong i struggle with uh that i was able to do again using a different crest or tool i love that about game i love that about game cherry i think you're commenting team cherry i love it about team cherry probably yeah i think that's such a great part of it and again like even with um any of these kind of games whether you're talking about souls whether you're talking about uh recitan of coming back and you are slightly more powerful or you've done this thing and you've unlocked this thing and now this boss that was so difficult before you have their number and maybe they still beat you but you get that ray of sunshine that glimpse of hope that i can do this yeah like that's when games are at their best is when it is that idea of like and i assume barrett even in your eight hour sessions with one boss you're having the same thing where it's like fuck if i would have just like you know you're i could have done that i could wait cameras frozen

20:12Andy Cortez:will be better for the rest of the show but it's that idea of like you know that that fight i absolutely fucking hate and that that that fight out of all of the fights that i've had there's only three that i've actively disliked and the one that i was stuck on for hours is one that even looking back at it i'm like i did not enjoy that fight i did not enjoy how that fight was designed but there are a lot of other fights in this game where you know you know what we talk about with downloading uh downloading the boss and figuring it out and seeing through the matrix right like Even this final boss that I'm stuck on, I've been at it for probably a total of an hour and a half over the last couple of days just because I haven't had much time to play.

20:53And even though it's frustrating as hell, there are a couple of times I'm like, okay, I'm figuring out phase two. I'm slowly getting to it, which is really cool and satisfying.

21:01Andy Cortez:Oh, yeah. Nice. And I think there is respecting the player's intelligence and then making them work for something. and then video games i think are at their best with aha moments and i think those can be big and those can be small and i think it could be as simple as the first time you played mario and jumped on a goomba you're like oh i could oh that's how you do it okay yeah you know i mean to like a bigger reaction of figuring out a boss or downloading this thing or whatever but and so i think those games come those moments come in all these different genres and different game types in different ways but i do think that there's just such a glut of all right go here and do this all I follow the yellow line.

21:41Andy Cortez:I look at my map and I know exactly where to go. And I I'm on autopilot. Like I've, and I would say I've mentioned on a show, I would say the last three months, but maybe six, I've had to have the thing, the honest conversation with myself. When I go downstairs to play a game at night of like cool phone over there. Cause I find myself like I play, play, play. And I get to the cut scene that I wasn't excited for, but that's when I check what's going on. I'm like, why am I fucking doing this? I want to be engaged with this. Why am I getting distracted by that? And I think sometimes it is that a game.

22:09Andy Cortez:We always talk when you're playing a game right about here's what the actual core mechanics are here's what the cycle the game cycle is of what you're doing and sometimes you can get into that you're in a game that has a cycle that can be good bad or otherwise and it's going for so long that you can kind of go on autopilot yeah i think a game that challenges you to not be on autopilot to be engaged to oh my god that boss isn't as dead as i thought it was right it's gonna explode like all those little things

22:31Blessing Adeoye Jr.:are like really cool moments i think it's like the friction versus the lack of friction i think so a lot of games that you get are designed to be frictionless because they want to keep the player moving and they want to keep the forward momentum going and sometimes i think a lot of times frictionless can be good right i'm playing a game right now that i'll describe as frictionless but i think that is additive and not you know doesn't take away from it but i think when games can find places to place the friction that gives us the aha moments and makes us feel enabled to either solve a thing or get better at the game yeah that i think adds so much to the that feeling of damn i just did that shit like there's a post there's a uh yes that's blue sky tim uh from derrick you aka mossmouth who's the developer of splunky where he has a thread that i would like a lot right that i uh retweeted where he says in theory games are the perfect place to teach that failure is not only okay but a necessity uh a necessary stepping stone to success but now it's so easy to switch a game uh to switch a game with guaranteed progress so games with consequences for failure are more risky to make creating a cycle um he also goes on to say that um this convo i had highlights the difference in what respects to your time means in games a lot of players want to trade time for in-game progress it's purely transactional i.e one hour equals one progress but i want to feel like my actions matter i.e what i do with my time creates progress not time itself and i think to barrett's eight hours fighting a boss right like barrett didn't have to do that shit but i think there's i did i think there's something that is enticing about like hey i am choosing to do this with my time because the way that i'm using this is going to lead to me having that feeling of damn all right i just did this i just made progress and i think that's what makes a really great experience i think there's a great uh juxtaposition here in this conversation for me personally with

24:25Andy Cortez:Borderlands 4 and then Rattatan last night, right? Where Borderlands 4 is a frictionless game. You know what I mean? I think they took so much from everything else right into the action, right to go, here you go, go shoot shit, blah blah blah blah. You know what I mean? Which for me, I was missing stakes and reasons. It was like, okay, it's more Borderlands because I'm just getting all the stuff. Whereas like yesterday on the plane, and I'm a huge Patapon fan, right? I've been looking forward to this. I backed Rattatan. Those first 45 minutes was like, shit, do I not like this game? It was a fire hose.

24:53Andy Cortez:I talked about this in the review on Greg way of like just a fire hose of jargon and systems and like not explaining things. and it was like, this might be, this seems simple and too cutesy. And then it was like, after that 45 minutes of, Oh, wait a second. There's this economy going on with donuts and candy shit. Fuck. Oh, and if I do this and I get that, Oh my, Oh, and I've, I went further and I got this weapon that I can break these down and make. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. And like those little aha moments of like, Oh shit. every run is going to pay off in making my team stronger even if i fail the same boss every time which i don't i'm awesome at this game but you know i mean i'm going to be able to go back and be stronger and go back and do the thing and like that's when it's games are excelling right versus autopilot i'm going to the objective to go kill this thing and do the same thing i did five hours ago six hours ago the same way i did yeah which can sometimes be great like

25:43Blessing Adeoye Jr.:you know spider-man is a example of a game that i'll say is frictionless yeah but also i think the frictionless makes that experience makes that great right like i go in i swing i fight i upgrade the skill tree i might die a couple of times but if i die once it's like i'm gonna beat the encounter the next time right like it is a forward um a propulsion experience i am never

26:05Andy Cortez:really in propulsion experience yeah exactly you're never slammed up against a wall in spider-man where you're like fuck this i'm gonna go swing around the city for four more hours and try to do whatever yes but i look at a game i guess to pull deeper in the duffy right like i look at the

26:16Blessing Adeoye Jr.:witness and that is a game that i am you got to stare at a panel until you understand what that puzzle is trying to tell me and i fucking love that game um and yeah i i i think maybe there's something to that as far as like what's sticking for hollow knight and like what's sticking for these types of games for people right now i think people want that yeah i think there's so many

26:35Andy Cortez:different indies and smaller games we can point to of that are oh man this will push you this will challenge you a witness blueprints etc yeah yeah yeah but it's so hard for those games to get the kind of marketing, but in reality, buzz in fandom that something like Hollow Knight did. We always talk about how, oh man, a short marketing cycle and da-da-da. Hollow Knight Silksong cycle was what, technically 10 years or whatever. And it worked out for them in a way that not everybody could do, obviously. But this is a thing that was on enough people's radar that yeah, they want to go in and when you get into that kind of game, you're going to find, hopefully, something that speaks to you that does challenge you.

27:15Andy Cortez:And even if it is, I suck at this, but if I keep getting rosaries, I can get all these different crests, and I can come back and be stronger. Hell yeah. I gotta get back to Will Hall and it. You won't anytime soon. I hope. I feel like there's about to be a window, but I feel like it's gonna close in two seconds.

27:28Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Yeah, that's the thing is, there's gonna be the smallest window, but then October gets crazy.

27:31Andy Cortez:Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Number two on the Roper, well, actually, Barrett, how long have we been going? 26 minutes. Okay, I was gonna say. We'll get number two in before the ad break. Number two on the Roper report, Tencent fires back at Sony over the Horizon clone lawsuit. This is Tom Phillips at IGN.com. Tencent has hit back at Sony's lawsuit that claimed the upcoming game light of. We did this whole. Motiram. Motiram. Motiram. Am I putting too much tea on there? Motiram. Was nothing more than a slavish clone of Horizon Zero Dawn and highlighted concerns within the PlayStation maker that its own game was too similar to enslaved Aussie of the West to the West.

28:10Andy Cortez:in a fresh response to sony's legal action chinese tech giant tencent branded the lawsuit as impermissible i'm sorry as an impermissible attempt to claim ownership of well-trodden tropes such as red-headed heroin fighting robot dinosaurs and a bid by sony to gain a monopoly over an entire genre in a legal filing reported by the game post tencent described sony's move as an overreach and highlighted other game franchises with similar elements to horizon Zero Dawn, such as The Legend of Zelda and Far Cry. It was quote-unquote startling, Tencent said, that Sony would now attempt to claim Horizon's concept as original rather than an idea based on quote, ubiquitous genre ingredients, end quote.

28:54That's crazy.

28:56Andy Cortez:Quote, by suing over an unreleased project that merely employs the same time-honored tropes embraced by scores of other games released both before and after Horizon, like Enslaved, The Legend of Zelda, the breath of the wild far cry primal far cry new dawn outer wilds biomutant and many more sony seeks an impermissible monopoly on genre conventions tencent wrote can you look up some gameplay of light of mortyrum sony's claim that horizon was an original playstation concept was also flatly contradicted end quotes by remarks made in a behind the scenes documentary by van beak tencent stated uh claiming that by van beak claiming that gorilla uh had briefly shelved that was shelved work on Horizon Zero Dawn due to internal concerns that shared too many similarities with Enslaved.

29:41Andy Cortez:Quote, Long before this lawsuit was filed, the developers of Horizon Zero Dawn publicly acknowledged that their very same game elements that today Sony claims to own exclusively were in fact borrowed from an earlier game, Tencent argued. Mr. Van Beek warned, quote, I don't think we should do this. It touches too many of these other points, end quote, referring to prominent elements of Enslaved. Sony shelved the project only to revive it later with full awareness that the idea was far from novel. When horizon zero dawn finally launched in 2020, 17, uh, the gaming community noted its striking resemblance to enslave and other genre staples.

30:18Andy Cortez:End quote. Like I just looked up and looked at the channel. Like it was showing the, uh, horizon. Oh no, this is their game. Right. 10 cents rebuttal, uh, attempts to dismiss, dismiss other elements of Sony's lawsuit to by stating that its work on light of Morium, was unconnected to its failed pitch meeting with Sony for a Horizon spinoff. Tencent has also claimed that Sony's entire lawsuit is invalid because the company had named the wrong parts of Tencent in its initial complaint. There's so much here. There's so much here. If you're an audio listener, you owe it to yourself to go look at the footage of Light of Morium.

30:54Andy Cortez:Because I remember when this lawsuit went up and we did it and they're like, yeah, and they met with them and almost did a game in the Horizon universe, but then they stopped. it's like yeah all right well pretty clearly we see what happened yeah there was a pitch

31:04Blessing Adeoye Jr.:between Tencent and Sony to have the the studio work on a Horizon spinoff and that was named and I believe that was named in the Sony lawsuit that they put out so for them to come come out and be like oh no no no no no it's disconnected and then we should see the gameplay and we're like well that looks like Horizon I also love that I understand that this is a lawsuit and so like if I'm going to throw them any bail it's the fact that like all right cool you're gonna look for anything yeah even the dumb arguments it's like you're not trying to make the argument to the people you're trying to make the argument to the fucking um i don't know judge or jury like the people that are going to make the decisions on whether or not this is going to go through or not and so like but but it's so funny then for them to be like uh you know other video games exist dinosaurs existed in a video game horizon is kind of like enslaved to the odyssey or enslaved

31:48Andy Cortez:odyssey it's like look at this footage that we're seeing of the light of morium game that looks exactly like horizon and then imagine putting this next to zelda and being playstation and being like see you can't make Zelda anymore because we met what are we talking about Super Mario lets you press buttons fucking talking about now this of course goes back to Nintendo and their lawsuit about fucking having a game where you capture people and summon them or whatever like copyright man what the fuck everybody's going after everybody's going after calm down it's all calm down although I do think Sony has a case I think Sony's got a big case here I understand

32:17Blessing Adeoye Jr.:like you said Tencent's got to fight back they got to say something they got to have a lawyer

32:21Andy Cortez:this lawyer is lawyering I'll give them that but if I was on the jury I would say

32:25Blessing Adeoye Jr.:bam no but it's startling greg that's the thing right if i'm putting myself in the shoes of lawyer and i gotta defend light of ultra room what am i gonna say i'd probably say the exact same shit i'd probably be like ah i got it i see the enslaved odyssey of the west trailer listen

32:41Andy Cortez:this thing looks a lot like it doesn't it so it's like we got it you know it's like i heard that they shelved it because i was enslaved yeah we have this one throwaway comment in a documentary that they thought it was too similar because the plant life had grown over the united states so like yeah and also they named the wrong part of tencent so like is this lawsuit yeah why are they

32:57Blessing Adeoye Jr.:suing why are they suing the suing tencent west or tencent east you can't do this you can't come you can't do that do your plays no i never played enslaved odyssey to the west i mean right here again clearly horizon footage okay oh i was gonna say i need to see i want to see the main care okay well there's robots so that's the right there's a red-headed person but like you're playing as

33:21Andy Cortez:this other guy right i think yeah you both chat remember if if i remember you we went back and forth between them is that right or it was she was just on my back doing stuff this looks more like

33:30Blessing Adeoye Jr.:a borderlands to me in terms of style like borderlands don't give randy any ideas on who to sue randy's like oh shit i gotta call him up how can i get away from all the problems we're having

33:41Andy Cortez:yeah i want to change the conversation i'll sue enslaved god well good luck to the light of

33:47Blessing Adeoye Jr.:to him good luck to you here's my thing is I think that game looks good though like I kind of hope it comes out they'll settle

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38:54Andy Cortez:summer find more on facebook number three on the roper report dying light the beast review roundup this one snuck up on me oh yeah we get an email about dying light the beast at least three times a day yeah usually a soundtrack of this thing or they're doing post launch i don't know how they can make so much fucking news they love pr emails about dying light because they did this last time too uh it has a metacritic of 78 an open critic of 82 travis north up over at ign gave it a 7 out of 10. Dying like the beast is an entertaining return to the rooftops and flesh pits I've come to love over the past decade.

39:32Andy Cortez:The gimmick of amping yourself up into a scary monster to fight other monsters sticks the landing and mostly makes up for a generic story and a map that has few surprises in store. However, aside from your new rampaging abilities and some freaky new boss fights, the beast does stick pretty close to what worked in the last two games. So, it may feel a little bit rote in those to those who have played those recently. Its signature blend of parkour and melee-focused combat remains largely the same, and there's certainly nothing wrong with having more Dying Light. Over at GameSpot, Mark Delaney gave it an 8 out of 10.

40:08Andy Cortez:Dying Light has always been a series that does a few things very well, but would get distracted trying to be a lot more at the same time. Finally, the beast leans into Dying Light's best parts, giving you a scarier, tougher, more immersive world to explore than anything in the series before. and then finally for our purposes it got a 70 out of 100 over at PC Gamer Christopher Livingston wrote a more gritty survival horror experience than Stay Human but Techland's new first person parkour game still stumbles a bit blessing we got code for this alongside everybody else but again we are an 11 person small business I didn't get a chance to boot it up have you even thought about it I haven't also those titties were blurred back there I've never noticed that in a trailer before they had zombie titties and they were blurred i didn't even notice the titties i always notice titties i guess yeah i never think about

40:57Blessing Adeoye Jr.:wow i never think about zombies having titties it's kind of crazy that's the first time i've even like seen that um so i have thoughts here okay i think firstly this is music to my ears it's sitting at like a high 70s like a game i can miss great yeah well but also like that's what i would expect out of dying light you know i mean coming off dying light 2 we all enjoyed it a lot but i think like the the way that they're talking about this is probably the exact same way i'll talk about dying light 2 which i enjoyed and so i'm like cool at least it's not bad give me an okay to good experience that's all i want out of dying light it does suck that it's coming out right now i wish this came out at a february march even though i'm sure if it did i'd probably be saying the same thing of like man i wish this came out during the summer because games are just coming out at all times now but when dying light 2 came out and we all played it that hit we played it in like January.

41:48Blessing Adeoye Jr.:It was a great time, right?

41:49Andy Cortez:It was right there. Yeah.

41:50Blessing Adeoye Jr.:So like it was like all we had and we, you know, were able to devour it like that. My, I think my main thought is I feel like even though we just talked about the PR emails, I feel like this had less overall marketing than Dying Light 2. I remember Dying Light 2, the lead up to it being a bit more exciting and hype. Like that one, I don't think snuck up on us.

42:08Andy Cortez:No, but again, that one hit at that January February time period where you come out of that new year. Our industry is a industry that is slow to start up and so if you can get in there and make an impression that's why you me and janet all played it right we're like okay cool there's no other game coming out of note right now so we can go in and dedicate the 30 hours it was to run through and fuck around in there yeah um i feel like that's such a great placement for it whereas this isn't where you are amongst so many other games that i look at this and i go cool sevens and flat eights and it sounds it sounds how i would described the last dying light like i haven't been hankering for more dying lights and staying human like and that's not to say i had a bad time with stay human right like i enjoyed what we played with the exception of the horrible final boss that just ruined ending ruined the entire fucking experience uh but like there's been dying light is classic as a franchise as an ip of adding things to their games for years and years and years and years and years if i was to turn on if i was like man i want to play some dying light turn dying light 2 back on i'm sure there's a million quests that have been added and all sorts of bug fixes and things there where it's just like i'm glad this exists i'm glad there's an audience for this like you said i'm glad that it's not crap i'm glad that hey here's a game that is serving the fan base in the audience but i'd rather try as we as i'm in the spooky season now i'd rather play other new horror games doing new horror ideas than go back to something that's even similar right yeah i've never i i don't like the whole i'm the beast

43:33Blessing Adeoye Jr.:now that's that that doesn't yeah that didn't appeal to me and that's i think that's my thing when I think about the marketing for this one versus the marketing for the last one where leading into Dying Light 2 they will talk about you can make decisions within the settlements and this will raise water in this place and this will change this and that and here it's more so around like oh you are going back to this character from Dying Light 1 and I didn't really I didn't play through Dying Light 1 I played Dying Light 1 but I didn't enjoy it enough to be like I'm gonna I identify with this character so I'm like him returning doesn't do anything for me and then yeah the beast aspect I'm like oh I don't want to play as a beast I want to play as a human I like to stay human because I stayed human but yeah like this is one that I could see myself if we ever get like enough free time which will never happen but if we ever get enough free time I could see myself returning to it also I want to shout out Unique Technique in chat who said Dying Light the Breast which is really good that's really good

44:28Andy Cortez:I've been off work this week playing Borderlands 4 and Skate just played two hours of Dying Light and I'm going to drop that to pick back up when it's quieter. Just another slow week in this quote unquote offseason. Wake up! What are you talking about? So many goddamn games out there. Sound like Chop Suey. Wake up! I'm surprised you know Chop Suey. I really like that song. I've thrown so many of that Q101 alternative butt rock at you and you're like, I've never heard this song before.

44:58Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Chop Suey though, I fuck with that. Father!

45:00Andy Cortez:Father to your hands, I commend my spirit for the two hands why have you forsaken me what a fucking jam god damn uh number four on the roper report uh sony fires ghost of yote artist after post after posts joking about charlie kirk killing this is bryant francis over at game developer sony interactive entertainment subsidiary sucker punch productions appears to have fired senior texture artist drew harrison over posts made on Blue Sky that joked about the September 10th killing of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk. In a statement to Kotaku, a Sony person confirmed that Harrison is no longer employed a ghost of Yote developer Sucker Punch Productions.

45:41Andy Cortez:This statement follows a number of now-deleted posts from Harrison, where she stated the following, If standing up against fascism is what cost me my dream job I held for 10 years, I would do it again 100 times stronger. Harrison declined to comment when reached by game developer. Harrison had previously posted that individuals from social media were contacting her employer and attempting to get her fired and that she received a barrage of anonymous calls that seemed to come from an ongoing harassment campaign. Her blue sky profile now appears to have been deleted in her original post. She made a comparison between Kirk's then unidentified killer and Luigi Maggie Maggie Maggie Maggie.

46:20Andy Cortez:Thank you. the 27 year old killer no 27 year old who was accused of killing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson in December 2024 quote I hope the shooter's name is Mario so that Luigi knows his bro has his got got his back she posted

46:35Blessing Adeoye Jr.:period this is one that like if you've been on Twitter or Blue Sky right like you've been breathing yeah you've seen so much hubbub about this and I coming off of last night where they announced Jimmy Kimmel being taken off air due to comments that he made about the charlie kirk stuff which his comments were barely even punch lines like he was more so it was calling out the hypocrisy right that is more so calling out the white house and the administration rather than making any sort of joke about charlie kirk yeah i think obviously there's something in the air right now when you're talking about the climate that we're in when you're talking about politics when you're talking about the charlie kirk killing and like how that has made people batten down their hatches on either side of like yo fuck you now fuck you kind of uh type shit right and everybody's very sensitive about it right now yeah um there's so much to say about like i mean going back to the jimmy kimmel thing of the hypocrisy around i'm gonna go after you and go after your job kind of thing yeah um you know i think there's a hypocrisy in terms of how certain people talk about cancel culture but then when the thing is flipped it's it is we're gonna literally cancel your show your comedy show kind of thing um regarding this this is such a weird one because i think on one hand i mean on the biggest hand here right like fuck harassment campaigns especially if you're going after somebody who's out here tweeting a joke and then you're going to make it your life's mission to go after them and their job and do all that shit i think on the smallest other hand i i think me and you both know playstation and both know how playstation operates as far as not really wanting people to be i guess personalities personalities right like playstation is very careful about their image and very careful about like hey even if we want to interview somebody it's like you got to reach out to playstation you don't reach out to the person uh directly kind of thing and so i think when you work at playstation and you put up a tweet that could kind of shake that up i could see a thing of like okay well hey like you kind of you know the company that you're working for and you know how they would respond to something like this outside of that right like i think this whole situation sucks from all sides like there's not really much for me to say about it as far as

48:53Andy Cortez:like a hot take kind of thing yeah at this point are there any hot takes yeah i mean this deep into this you know what i mean again like news anchors being fired for what was the one uh horrible thoughts lead to horrible words lead to horrible outcomes or something like that Oh yeah. I was fired for that. Like it's a scary time right now to be out there saying anything, anything, anywhere at anything about any of this. Yeah. So it's like authoritarianism on the rise, baby. It's, you know, this idea is, so there's again, how do you want to tackle this? And what do you want to do? And what do you want the hot take to be in blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

49:29Andy Cortez:I would go with this angle on this one. Let's step back from authoritarianism. Let's talk the Charlie Kirk of it all and dot to dot. And I'm not saying those aren't important. I'm just saying for talking in this conversation on a podcast right now. I go back to a very, very, very crazy story I did at the time that is so quaint right now. When I was working at the, when I was in Mizzou and you work for the Columbia Daily Tribune, or I'm sorry, you work for the Columbia, Missouri in there. I was tasked with our first redesign of the Sunday paper. I did this big cover story for it. And what it was, was this woman had been fired from the Missouri government because her bosses had run some kind of search on her email and found her talking shit.

50:12Andy Cortez:And at the time, it was so crazy that your bosses, it was like one of those, like, they can't do that. And then people know they can. You know what I mean? It was like in Missouri, the first instance of this. Remember, I'm old as shit. So this is like 2004. We'll say 2005. So like you can understand technology and people just didn't think that way. you jumped at where we are now right and this is an example of the reality we all live in you you were very quick to call it playstation this the other and it's like yes that's accurate but most if not everybody you sign a contract with right in a career job not just you know deliver pizzas whatever you might even have it there i don't even know have defamation clauses or company morals or whatever and blah blah blah where it's like the stuff you're doing online does matter and again to uh the statement from uh harrison right of saying if this is what it cost me to stand up to fascism i'll do it like and that i feel like exactly like you got to do what you got to do this is what we talk about all the time you got to stand by you got to stand for something or fall for everything right and you got to have a strong moral code and you got like they're owning it right there isn't this all but what the fuck you know what i mean but it is like yeah this is where we're at right now is this culture war continues and will only intensify and only get worse yeah fucked up it's a fucked up time to exist right now oh man i'm i i'm sure everybody's having

51:34Blessing Adeoye Jr.:talks about there in the group about it in their group chats but i was having to talk about it in my group chat uh this morning just about like we were bringing up there's a new uh leo dicaprio movie that's getting tens and the people that people are loving right and i was like yo anybody seen this movie because i'm down to go watch it and they're like um one of the conversations that spurred from that was like man is there an increase of rebellion movies or is it just me right like is this a thing that's happening more which like then led to a conversation about just how divided it feels currently and it's not that's not a new feeling right like i think i've felt this strongly since 2016 but even more and more i guess as we're getting deeper into the first year only the first year not even a full year in into the trump presidency the second trump presidency right like it that division feels stronger and stronger and it's to the point now where you know people who i wouldn't even think either follow charlie kirk stuff right or like thought of charlie kirk as a positive figure i'll see tweets or i'll see like um posts on facebook is it right now and then i still log on facebook or i'll see like instagram posts from a person i'm like oh damn you like charlie kirk wow like i would not have thought and like they have strong thoughts the other way and like that is existing more and more and those people always existed those people they they're not just appearing out of nowhere right these are people that you know or like i guess depending on where you live right these are people that exist in places of the country right like are out here and they are they believe these things and they have the they have these thoughts and like we kind of reckon with the fact that like yo there's a large population of people that have strong feelings that are pointed that way and like i don't know i i don't even know the point i'm making here i think it's more so just the fact that like event i imagine it's a it's event but also i think it's the fact that like those people are also getting louder and louder and those people are also feeling the division and we're at a place that i feel like it's very scary i think that's the thing that i'm landing yeah yeah you know all this happened uh

53:37Andy Cortez:all the charlie kirk stuff happened while uh jen was out of town picking up her sister and then you know then they were in town and so we hadn't had a chance to catch up on it in a while or whatever and she when we finally were talking you know she was like do you feel like this is a crossroads and i'm like i feel like we crossed the crossroads a long time ago yeah like now we're just rag now we are just dealing with we're reaping what we've sowed and we'll see but it's only gonna get worse oh yeah there's no positivity on what where we're going and what's gonna happen here so it's like awesome awesome awesome but don't give into nihilism please as always because I know it's easy to go down that path when we have these conversations.

54:14What's the saying? Think globally, act locally. Get involved in your communities and try to fight for positive change that makes the material conditions of you and everybody around you actually better.

54:29Andy Cortez:Yeah. I think it's the usual one you hear too of like... I'm trying to... Like... this all sucks again. I feel like if this was one of those situations where we could have the other side around the table, this all sucks. No one's happy right now. Right. And what this is, but I think what's usually fascinating to Barrett's point of acting locally. Right. Is that idea that at least, and I, I'm maybe being privileged for where I live or whatever, but in who I am and of course just being a white guy or whatever, but like, I feel like you're not running into that in your day to day. there's an old quote that I would never be able to dig out right but it is that idea of for the most part the people you're running into IRL are trying to do the right thing and help you out you know we're trying to make this whole dream work together even if you're on the different sides of the aisle or whatever the fuck you want to say right but it's when you log online and it's just everyone vomiting and talking about how terrible everything is and how we're in like calling out the same things that are abomination and like I'm not saying these aren't but it's just like there's the Jen and I have this conversation all the time just like maybe we weren't meant to be this is the death stranding maybe we weren't meant to be this connected oh yeah because you know what I mean like I imagine it was I obviously was a child in the 80s right but I imagine it's everybody probably thought everybody else sucked as much we didn't know how much everybody sucked because you didn't know every fucking opinion because not everything was being quoted documented put on a Wikipedia thrown at your face yada yada yada and I don't know if that's better or worse or whatever but it's like yeah now you're in a part where it's just like i can't do it like i find myself opening and i'm like the past like a couple weeks has been like i can't i'll look for a while i'm like cool i'm seeing just the same four things over and over again from everyone else's perspective i can't deal with this right now

56:15Blessing Adeoye Jr.:yeah i think the the thing i'll throw out there as well is bear you know said uh you know think locally act locally i'll also say like be present in your communities and i don't just mean your like local community i mean if you're if you are a gamer right like be present in your gaming community if you're somebody who listens to music and loves rap music or has podcasts or whatever be present in those communities there was a TikTok that went viral a while ago that was about how we need like left leaning podcasters like we need the Joe Rogan of the left right and like I think beyond that I don't think it's like beyond it's not that we need we don't need we don't need more podcasters I think I think what we need are people that are existing in these spaces that i think are being taken over by people that are sure that have these right-leaning ideologies that are dog whistling the shit out of these places where you look at gaming you look at for me right like i look at rap music and like music in general is as a space that i fucking love and i love watching reviews and doing all this shit uh look at dnd look at tabletop games look at you there are so many of these spaces and i'm sure there's plenty of non nerdy ones right your rec sports league or whatever um plenty of these spaces that i can think of that have a strong right-leaning presence that are talking that are you know spouting opinions and a lot of it is passive a lot of it is like they're not out here telling you like oh man you got to vote for trump it's more so just a casual thing they'll throw out throughout there and there then it's like oh that's interesting and then you kind of move on with it i think a lot of those spaces are being dominated by those right-leaning folks and we don't have enough people that are i guess in those spaces that are doing the work on the left side that are like you know trying to take those spaces back and really i guess characterize those spaces as left-leaning i don't know if that makes sense what i'm saying but yeah i mean i think it goes

58:12Andy Cortez:back to like something i talked about like on the other side of like the election right of like the amount of times people would be in my dms like oh man thank you for saying something i'd be so scared to and it's like well you gotta drop that shit you gotta drop that shit you know what i mean of like you gotta stay you gotta make if somebody's saying something and you don't agree i'm not saying fucking scream at them and go nuts but i mean you gotta let them know that like hey i'm not with you on that because of x y and z you have to have a conversation you have to get off the bench because otherwise we just end up in hands handmaid's tale that's where we go on this right because nobody else wants to grab the wheel except the other people who are hell bent on doing what they want yeah you got to reach out of your echo chamber yeah you got to like read you got to reach through and when i say uh act locally as well it's not just the small community stuff but also looking at uh you know what your political landscape is even whether it's in your town or your city and trying to organize and rally people together to help change in uh local areas as well because not everybody lives in a highly blue area right um and even in san francisco like we've seen slowly over the last decade a push to more conservative measures that have been passed time and time again.

59:27And so that's what I mean is like, yeah, we might think of San Francisco as like, oh, like everybody's just chill and cool and we're all just like good people and trying to help each other out. But there is still like a seeping in of these communities that I think by being more active on the local level, even just a little bit is going to help.

59:49Andy Cortez:Speaking of helping number five on the Roper Report, Borderlands 4 performance. It's a video game show. God damn it. Borderlands 4 performance gets worse. The longer you play on console, Randy Pitchford suggests quitting the game and restarting as a workaround. This is W-Y-P at IGN Wesleyan pool. Are you playing Borderlands 4 on console and have noticed odd performance problems the longer you play? You're not alone. players have reported their frames per second count fluctuating and gameplay stuttering on console even the playstation 5 pro in fact oddly particularly on the more powerful playstation 5 pro some players think this might be the result of borderlands 4 suffering from a memory leak although that remains unconfirmed for now it seems restarting the game does help parentheses some players are recommending restarting every few hours which isn't ideal but it's hard to say exactly why because reloading can trigger changes that would perhaps improve performance anyway such such as the time of daylighting.

1:00:46Andy Cortez:What we do know now is that Gearbox is looking into the issue. In a tweet, Gearbox development chief Randy Pitchford told one disgruntled PlayStation 5 user that quitting the game and restarting is a workaround until the developer sorts the problem out properly. Quote, known issue of performance dropping on PlayStation 5 Pro after several hours of continuous play, he said. Workaround until we patch, quit game and restart. Sorry for the friction, end quote.

1:01:11Blessing Adeoye Jr.:IT man Randy Pitchford, he's out here.

1:01:13Andy Cortez:He's on these streets talking to the people in the pantheon of Randy pitch for tweets. We've read in the past two weeks about borderlands and him swinging on fans. This is a measured, Hey, I'm sorry. This is what we got for now. We're working on it. It's like your, your, your, your hackles raised. Like, all right, actually that's an okay one. That's an okay one.

1:01:34Blessing Adeoye Jr.:You know what? You're right about that one. My bad. That's on me.

1:01:37Andy Cortez:That's on me. Man, man. The borderlands continuing the struggle of this continuing to go on. god bless you all as you fight out there should this have delayed borderlands have delayed would it fix it i don't you know i feel like i feel real quick uh kebabs comes in with a super chat says borderlands 4 are really using the skyrim ps3 playbook and there are there is something about these games that have like you can test test test but until it's in a live environment do you know what you're getting i mean like don't be wrong like the pc performance and shit like obviously yeah what the fuck but like stuff like this in memory leak I'm not tech savvy enough to tell you if they were like hey this is a huge problem or if they were or there I mean how many you know we know about known bugs shippable bugs like this could be one that like this ship we'll go for it if people catch on we tell them to turn off their systems which again isn't the worst thing in the world oh sure but it is like yeah I can imagine being annoyed by it or whatever but show Sean the hour where's the head of PR it all just goes through Randy

1:02:39Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Randy wears every hat at this company apparently apparently he's PR he's marketing he's IT he's QA the only thing he's not really a CEO apparently like do your job blessing that was aggressive I'm sorry it's okay don't worry Borderlands 4 working flawlessly

1:02:56Andy Cortez:is going to be big news one day but if I wanted something smaller say the tiniest news I need to know about where would I go you'd go to our last news story the We News Channel

1:03:04Blessing Adeoye Jr.:where you cover all the small news items you need to know about.

1:03:10Andy Cortez:Number six, the Wii News. A gaming fundraiser for Gaza Relief allows you to pay$8 to access 400 games. First,$8 on itch.io. Players can unlock a treasure trove of cozy sims, RPGs, parentheses, yes, even one about being a cow, action games, tabletop adventures, and more to show solidarity with the humanitarian needs and the rights of Palestinian refugees. since september 2nd $82 ,000 has been raised towards the$200 ,000 goal and there's just one week left to join the movement there's an instagram post and a bundle but again itch.io I imagine it's on the front page of itch.io you're looking for a play for peace

1:03:48Blessing Adeoye Jr.:if you go to they have an easy link here but yeah if you go to itch.io I assume they have it if you go to the instagram post the account is at unrwa usa um and it'll be on the post there where they they link you and yeah you have to like click the first link on the page uh to take you here but i did it paid eight dollars and yeah they have coffee talk in there they have uh vvv vvv which is a uh 2d platformer that i fucking love um i'm not sure i'm not familiar with the vast majority of these games a lot of them are like super indie right like twine stuff stuff that like people put together with their friends but i always i love shit like this.

1:04:27Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I love having access to just hundreds of video games where I'm like, damn, in here is probably going to be, there's going to be some gold in here I imagine.

1:04:33Andy Cortez:Yeah, some cool shit for sure. There's a lot of games too. Good for them. Go do it, everybody. Itch.io. If you missed the news, of course, what was it? Yesterday? I've been on the road. No, two days ago. I'm reading from Al Jazeera. UN Inquiry says Israel's war on Gaza is genocide. Holds government responsible. Huh. Will we listen to that? Who knew? Huh. Huh. Will anything change? huh from vgc uh dark math games one of the multiple studios to spin off from disco elysium developer zaum is that how we decided to start saying this that's how i say it has renamed its spiritual follow-up and pivoted away from the isometric gameplay it's known for uh xxx night shift has changed its name to tangerine and arctic you gotta you gotta figure out somebody else to

1:05:20Blessing Adeoye Jr.:name your games. Alright, alright, alright,

1:05:22Andy Cortez:alright. XXX Night Shift? Tangerine Antarctic. In addition, the game has pivoted away from the previously announced isometric gameplay and is now a third person RPG. Marvel Cosmic Invasion reveals Cosmic Ghost Rider and Black Panther. Can I see the trailer? Because I did not get a chance to see this while I was on the road. And when I saw this go into the games daily, I was like, release date, release date. And I'm like, two characters. Huh. Just two characters. I know it's going to come out. It'll come out. They said this year, though, and I would really like to play it immediately. So I would really love.

1:05:52Andy Cortez:You ain't got time to play it. I know right now. No, we're going to make time to play this game. I mean, when this comes, though. I mean, when's it going to come? I don't know. Just come out. January. January? No. Actually, January. Okay. That's sooner. As long as it's not.

1:06:07Blessing Adeoye Jr.:You know what? I need it to come out this year. I can say December. Game Awards out now. Okay. Game Awards pre-show. My fantasy critic is riding on this game. because if this game comes out this year, it's getting big points.

1:06:19Andy Cortez:You think so? Oh, TMNT Shredders or Rems got big points. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:06:22Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I got bad news for you. Mike's probably going to win Fame's Critic this year. Why? Because him and Roger just collude. What do you know now? They're colluding in the Discord. What do you know now? Well, it was the thing that Mike, what did Mike bring up the other day that like got him pretty high up there? Didn't he get a game? Trails the first guy. Yeah, Trails fucking whatever. It's that Trails game, and then I think, does he still have another spot open? He does, but like, I think it really needs to, like, him winning guaranteed needs to hint on whatever the fuck he picks up. Rog and Mike are, they're colluding in a way where I think they're going to try and make sure Mike wins.

1:07:03Blessing Adeoye Jr.:And listen, they're playing the game. As long as they don't break the rules, it's cool. They've said out loud, we're cheating.

1:07:10Andy Cortez:Yeah. Taking a page out of the government's playbook. Retro isometric puzzler Lumo 2 will launch on Switch on the 17th of October. This one looks cool as well.

1:07:20Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I wish listed this game. It's an isometric puzzler with a cool style to it. Oh, neat. Yeah.

1:07:28Andy Cortez:Are these filters?

1:07:29Blessing Adeoye Jr.:These are filters, yeah. The idea of it is it's supposed to be harking back to a bunch of retro games. So it's like a collection of different things going on here. But I think it looks neat.

1:07:40Andy Cortez:I'm glad. skate story is coming to nintendo switch 2 and pc in 2025 uh blue prince has surfed past two million players uh ratatan is out now for pc early access and monster hunter now season 7 advent of the exploration base is out now as well nice big day for greg miller huge day huge day of course we ask you that's the end of we news to be part of the show with your super chats over on youtube.com slash kind of funny games uh ricardo says spreading the love for my friend's indie game Foldy's OS Quest is a retro style 3D platformer dripping with early windows and internet nostalgia the demo is out now on Steam Barrett if I could get a trailer at some point for Foldy's OS Quest that'd be great, that means operating system uh, see what he says first birthday tax, I turned 30 today, feels weird being half of Greg's no, Nick's age, Nick's old, not me thanks for the endless hours of entertainment P.S.

1:08:34Andy Cortez:more in reviews please, it's my favorite show, happy birthday, happy birthday And we will continue to do one in review a week, alright? Oh!

1:08:40Blessing Adeoye Jr.:This Foldy's game looks fun.

1:08:42Andy Cortez:This looks ridiculous. If you're an audio listener, yeah, you're a little file folder running through. Now you're spellchecking. Like, all the levels look like they're inspired by... Yeah, like you're inside the... Windows XP type shit. Shit, fuck, that actually looks cool as hell. Yeah. Alright, I'm gonna... Hold on. I'm gonna add that to my Steam wishlist. Yeah, that's how you do it. You gotta help. That's how you do it. Foldy. I'm gonna do that too.

1:09:03Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Also, somebody says, bless you, can stop them. I have to know how they're cheating is the thing. They said they're going to announce it tomorrow on Games Daily. They announced it like they're terrorists. They're like at Friday at 10 a.m. They really have been fans of mine a long time.

1:09:22Andy Cortez:Don't own this. Don't be proud of this. Being crazy? Doing crazy shit to cheat to win? Being a couple assholes.

1:09:28Blessing Adeoye Jr.:Technically, I don't know if persuading people on the Facebook Critic Discord is actually cheating. It's not. But like we can have a conversation next season to be like, yo. I think that's fine. But the way they're talking about whatever this big reveal tomorrow is, it feels like whatever they're planning feels like more than that.

1:09:49Andy Cortez:I just saw in the chat for the third time somebody say long winter. I've opened this Steam page. Animal Crossing knockoff over here. Fish, farm, craft, gather, cook, loot, or steal from other players and build a campsite in a village with your friends in an open world multiplayer sandbox game without rules. I like Animal Crossing because of the simplicity of it. Getting my friends in there and doing this thing sounds like that's a streaming thing they want with the boys, not me. Blue-haired protagonist says, Day one of riding till Andy comes back to Game Showdown. Parentheses, I had to get in here a day early in case Andy is still Team Purple.

1:10:21Andy Cortez:We'll find out tomorrow who Team Purple is. I don't know. Foldies? Leon Super Chat says, Birthday tax. As a birthday gift to myself, I bought the full Overwatch 2 cross Persona 5 collab bundle. Was it too much money? Maybe. Do I regret it? Not at all.

1:10:36Blessing Adeoye Jr.:I was misspelling.

1:10:37Andy Cortez:Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Leon. Foldy's OS quest. That is Foldy. F-O-L-D-Y. Moose Springsteen has a birthday tax as well. Happy birthday to you, Moose. And then Calvin Perez says, I am so late, but I used to work at the experience store. Hope you had a good time. It was chaotic to work there. I was the lead tour guide. Well, they give tours apparently too. That was cool. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I've only ever come for events. We ask you watching live to keep us honest by going to kindoffunny.com slash you're wrong to tell us what we screw up as we screw it up.

1:11:09Oh no.

1:11:12Andy Cortez:We didn't say that they dropped him. We said he was suspended. Well, we said that he's off the air, but he's suspended. We're aware of that. Lucid Dream says Randy actually moved the release date of Borderlands 4 up by about two weeks. They did. They did the opposite of Borderlands 4. Remember that? Yeah. I do remember that now. And then Lumeni says Lumo 2 is also on PS5, Xbox Series X.

1:11:32Blessing Adeoye Jr.:hold on s and pc yeah we gotta talk about that they fucking moved that game up and that shit was not it was not as ready as it should have been why'd they do that they knew it was coming was it marathon like but they said it wasn't marathon so why the fuck they do it remember whenever we thought it was gonna be gta related that was a big problem what's happening ladies

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