Why PlayStation Ditched Kojima - Kinda Funny Games Daily 09.11.26

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3:41Madeline Stanley, I'm wearing my Warcraft Reign of Chaos t-shirt. And I've busted out the box sets. Okay. Wow. It's BlizzCon. BlizzCon weekend. Myself and Greg are heading down to Anaheim, California to celebrate BlizzCon 2026. And I'm pumped up because I'm a Blizzard kid. grew up with Diablo 2, grew up with Starcraft 64, grew up with Warcraft 3. It was a dream. I thought about it last night when I was having a shower moment, Madeline Stanley. Take a walk. Deep in thought. Deep in thought. And there I was as a kid playing Warcraft 3 and loving every moment of it, but dreaming what could be outside of the RTS boundaries, what this game could become.

4:24And I thought back to the schoolyard. You know, when you, back in the day, you'd play games and you and your friends would meet back at the schoolyard at the cafeteria and there'd be some crazy speculation some lie some kid made up like hey did you know in GTA Vice City they're gonna rollerblade you're gonna be able to rollerblade and you're like that would be the craziest thing ever how cool right I remember thinking with Warcraft 3 of like what would be the next thing how cool this would be and I was so young then I didn't know how to work the internet I don't think I ever saw speculation or whatever World of Warcraft would become.

4:56I just remember someone saying like, it's going to become an RPG MMO and it's going to be badass. And I never could wrap my mind around it, but it was the most beautiful thing I could ever think of when I thought about it back in the day. It was your dream. And here we are. I'm living my dream. Living my dream with, of course, my Warcraft battle chest that came with Reign of Chaos and Frozen Throne with the strategy guides. Big deal, of course. If you're a Blizzard kid, you love the battle chest. Diablo 2 had one with lord of destruction and of course uh diablo 2 and then my original box set here game of the year edition now they have all four races in the warcraft world on the cover i'm missing three of course undead night elf human if you have those let me know because i'm looking for i didn't know you were so deep in the duffy like this mike that you have your og boxes and everything have my og boxes i am a blizzard kid and i'm also a freak when it comes to the rts landscape.

5:53I love the RTS genre. I'm a big fan of Warcraft three in particular, but also the custom games. Many people don't know Warcraft three had a lot of user generated content and the custom games. Let me tell you what we're so much fun. Tower defense games, of course, footman frenzy Dota spawned from that. And of course we get league of legends and more. What a time to be alive. Okay. No more, no more. The people are going to say, Mike, let's get to the news. Madeline Stanley. Of course, we have a big day of news because we're going back to Hideo Kojima talks and we learned some more, some fair game stuff as well.

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7:45One take Schreier. You definitely want to go check out after today's kind of funny games daily to go dive deeper into this. But his report over at Bloomberg reads, Sony's PlayStation pulled out of the upcoming game, pulled out of an upcoming game by the well-known designer Hideo Kojima because of concerns over budget, potential profitability and exclusivity according to people familiar with the project. One major factor behind the decision was the commercial performance of kojima's previous two games death stranding and its sequel which did meet playstation's revenue expectations said the people who asked not to be identified disgusting information that's not public but the new project has also missed deadlines and was on track to be well over budget despite being years away from release, the people said.

8:37In addition, PlayStation was reluctant to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in another game that wouldn't remain permanently exclusive to the company's own hardware. Both Death Stranding games were timed PlayStation exclusives that were later released on other platforms. Kojima's closely held studio, Kojima Productions, retained ownership of the franchises. The new game, Fizzant, hasn't been yet shown publicly, but excited fans when it was announced two years ago with its promise of returning to the espionage action genre Kojima pioneered with Metal Gear Solid, the series that propelled him to industry stardom.

9:16Kojima surprised fans this week when he announced that he would be publishing PhysX with PlayStation's biggest rival, Xbox. Sony's software development has struggled in part due to an initiative to make more than a dozen live service games or those that can be monetized long after they come out through updates and microtransactions. The failure of many of these games, including Concord, a high-profile flop that was pulled from stores two weeks after it was released, has led PlayStation to enact stricter production milestones according to people familiar with the business. As a result, the company has canceled several games.

9:56The decision to part ways with Kojima is a significant move for PlayStation that may have ripple effects. Xbox, which has been facing its own overhaul under new chief executive officer Asha Sharma, saw Fizzins as a good investment opportunity for several reasons, according to people familiar with the company's strategy. One key factor is the PC platform, where the Death Stranding games have generated some revenue. Earlier this year, Sony decided it will no longer release single-player PlayStation games on PC, Bloomberg reported. Sony would therefore not benefit when Kojima Productions released a PC version of Fizzin on its own or with a different publisher, as it did for the first Death Stranding.

10:42But Xbox releases all of its games on PC and plans to publish Fizzins on PC and Xbox, said the people. The deal will also include film and television rights for both Phyzzant and a second title from Kojima Productions, the experimental horror game OD. Sharma has said that expanding Xbox's properties to linear media is a significant part of her strategy. Madeline Stanley, there you have it. A little deep digging, a little deep dive from Jason Schreier going into the back end of PlayStation's decision to part ways with Kojima Productions on Phyzzant. what are your thoughts there you know it's kind of what tim and i were talking about yesterday which was just yeah obviously it came down to the money it's interesting kind of having it jason try or break it down a little bit like this um one of the things that i don't feel like we really talked about yesterday i didn't fully know was the um television and film rights that come along with this xbox deal which i think is very interesting because we know how much kojima loves movies and i think that is a little pot sweetener that makes a lot of sense here my my question with this still and something we didn't really touch on yesterday either was xbox is here saving the day they said kojima we got you xbox just laid off thousands of people and is planning to lay off thousands of more people for the rest of the year so where is this money coming from are they in a better financial spot than sony is like they've already said they're trying to tighten in the belt cut cut costs and here they're coming into kojima with i assume a big pile of money to finish this game and i can imagine that feels pretty bad to the to the devs who are already with xbox uh you know what madeline stanley that brings up a great topic of discussion with the xbox side of things so we'll start there of course yes xbox has now backed up the money truck and probably has a long line of money that they will be tied to with kojima productions as this game continues through its production side thing.

12:41So let's talk about Xbox. Of course, five studios have just been disassembled and let go just recently. Xbox was set and Microsoft was set to lay off 3 ,600 employees. They did half of that at June, I believe, and the other half will happen over the course of this year into next. So yes, Madeline Stanley, they have completely disassembled their team. They are also struggling budget-wise, right, to try to figure out what they're doing. We do know that Asha Sharma now has the new leadership enacted here. The new goal is to find the flagship titles and focus on those and nothing but those. As before, it was, hey, we have Game Pass.

13:21Let's find a lot of studios to create good Game Pass games that will hopefully drive people to sign up for Game Pass and play Game Pass. Because it was about games, games, games. Now, on the opposite side, it's still about games, games, games. But great games, great games, great games. And so now on the flip side, right, you look at Xbox and you look at where they're going and to sign someone like Hideo Kojima and his team, especially on the follow up where it is the stealth espionage game. If you're a publisher looking for great games and you want to draw people to your console slash ecosystem when we talk PC, you know, there's none higher than Hideo Kojima.

14:00He's some of the top names. So this is a move that you probably have to make or want to make. and the flip side of it is let's talk about the budget the return of investment here right what does it take will we see the ripple effect similar to what we'll talk about with playstation in a second of well if you paid hideo kojima x amount of money where you're going to get that money right is microsoft coming in here with satya nadella to try to do something with that on the outside or is it hey we're going to have to cut more studios we have to lay off more people where is this money coming from but i think they this is a move that they probably looked at and go this would be so huge for us as we struggle to maintain our player base slash try to entice more people to come over here we talk about todd howard with bethesda right those kind of games it's like these are the titles that you have to have to compete with playstation who is known for killer cinematic action adventure experiences that have been whooping your butt all generation long well And I do think it is a good gesture of goodwill here, right?

15:03Swooping in to kind of save the day. I am, you know, the other thing that I was kind of keying on is the, I think Jason was talking about the sales numbers for Death Stranding 2 not quite reaching what they wanted to. And I just feel like it's a little apples to oranges. I feel like obviously you have to make decisions based on past experiences, but Death Stranding 2 is like a little weirdo freak game that we love and is cool i feel like the follow the sort of um emotional successor to metal gear is a completely different style of game and the expectation should be different for that i totally agree with you of course in jason schreier's bloomberg article it says one major factor behind the decision to part ways with kojima was the commercial performance of the previous two games death stranding and its sequel which didn't meet playstation's revenue expectations of course i totally agree with you on this, Madeline, right?

15:58We talk about what the expectations are for Kojima's follow-up to Metal Gear Solid with the stealth espionage title. That's where the money's at, right? I think it's hard to imagine when we rewind time to go to any general mass audience game player who knows Metal Gear probably and go, hey man, the guy who made Metal Gear, he's making a new game. And you go, oh my God, I'm so excited. I can't wait to buy it. It's like, well, hold up. You play as a post office guy and you're just going to deliver mail. And it's like, okay, well, that was more on the art side. I think that was Kojima getting in his bag and trying to do something a little bit different, right?

16:35A little bit that had different tones, a different theme, a different vibe than what we're all used to of like, hey, let me just be Solid Snake and hold a sniper rifle and go crazy out on a battlefield, right? Like this was not that style of game. And so maybe revenue expectations should have been different, but I'm sure when you look at that game, the budget was probably quite high for those games, right? So the expectations is you would return this investment. And so here we are now on game number three is what Sony would be tied up with. And they're going, man, we just hit two that were like good, but they didn't smash commercially for us.

17:10This is hard to want to back you for a third one, especially if you're missing deadlines. If you're going to need extended time, if this is going to be a project that has started production after Death Stranding 2, which wasn't that long ago. So now we're going to go here and go, this could be another five years. This could be more. I don't know if I have that kind of investment right now as my live service games didn't pan out, right? I've divested funds from a lot of big single-player games that we're known for because those were taking too long and were also gigantic through-the-roof budgets.

17:46And now my money is kind of tied up with, I don't have the money to support you, Hideo Kojima, and your team on a five - or seven-year plan. I don't know that speculation how long it will take but in reality I don't know how long this is going to take I don't have the money for it it is it's so funny because I think a lot about um I'm a big movie person film buff so I think a lot about the film industry in connection to the story specifically just because of Kojima's connection and I feel like so many directors like do the thing one for you being the studios one for me so you you do your big like metal gear so you can do death stranding right that's like in theory but with movies you can make a movie in a year you can't make well you could but you can't make the type of game kojima's making in a year so it's kind of hard to do the one for you one for me thing and it's like i want that to be something i want people to be able to make what they're going to make it it sucks that it ultimately always comes down to the these rising revenues and always making more money than you did the last time of course it's all about profitability that sweet capitalism here where i got investors and they're expecting returns and higher returns and so yeah it is tough especially in a medium like video games where it does take a long time right the return is much longer of a wait and see and it is a big gamble right especially after going off from two games that were death stranding one and two that weren't commercial hits and now with our goal if we bring it back to playstation single player games we want those to be console exclusive right we have a good large chunk of the video game audience here on playstation i want this to be exclusive here if kojima goes well i don't want that and we saw with death stranding one and two those got published by 505 games chat you can correct me if i'm wrong on that one but they were published by someone else on pc well now i'm not getting that i don't want that to happen either right so yeah i think this is just a back and forth of we're not seeing eye to eye this isn't worth our time and investment especially when playstation has their own situations to probably go figure out right now over just dealing with kojima yeah movies and tv what do you think about that of course xbox playstation nintendo they're all trying to get onto the big screens into your homes on televisions with just tv watching now what do you think about signing a deal with kojima for that because of course two years ago when we announced Fizzant with PlayStation, the big thing was the reveal of, hey, we're at a movie set.

20:14On the back lot. And I'm here on the back lot. We're going to make a movie and maybe more. Do you think that pushes the needle for Xbox? Is that a sign for investors to get incited of like, hey, we're also stepping big into movies with a guy who loves movies and television and could maybe find us a hit? Yeah, it's so interesting because I think about my, you know, I love Remedy, okay? remedy is one of my favorite devs they had a little game called quantum break great pull great pull and quantum break had an accompanying accompanying tv show that i don't know how many people watched i watched part of it it was connected to the game i don't think i'm curious what kojima has in mind with the multimedia sort of aspect with the tv is it something where it's like oh it's going to be like the last of us where we're just redoing stories are they connected universes i don't have an issue with multimedia and in fact i think it's really cool and interesting i just haven't really seen anyone do it in a successful way yet obviously we had the last of us tv show that the first season did super well um just a retelling of the game and i don't know i don't know if i if i can really wrap my head around a game that hasn't come out yet that's some many years in the future also having a television show or a movie that's exactly the same story coming out at some point also in the future so it's hard to it's hard to kind of wrap my mind around what this even looks like until we get more information but I do think as someone who like Kojima who likes being in that in that world it could be really interesting I'm I'm more obviously you know I'm the queen of screams OD is very appealing to me and I'm curious if they did some kind of anthology horror show or connection to connect with that that could be very cool it's a great pull right there of course uh just a joker justin joker writes and says do we think backing kojima that xbox is looking to vamp up uh the film side of things are they looking to dip their toes into it or farther uh per that report i totally agree with you madeline i think the dream of a metal gear solid movie any gamer would get excited oh my gosh right we've seen mission impossible james bond there are so many uh the minority report jason born there's reacher there's all these awesome stealth espionage oh my god it goes to another level type movies that we like and when you bring up metal gear solid in the video game world you're like yeah i would love to see that on the big screen and see how they adapt at the film same thing goes for if isn't as a hit uh i agree with you the horror stuff with od i think when you have kojima who really is interested in the movie scene and wants to go deeper into that yeah xbox who is coming off of what halo that was not not a success it's like i'm sure all these teams are looking around going we would love to jump into that right and with somebody that's interested in that yeah let's see where it goes let's first make the game yeah right let's try to get to the chickens before they're hatching it will be interesting of how they play this out right i think when we flip to Xbox, and we see a lot of your comments, right?

23:21It's like, does Xbox have the budget for this? Will Xbox make it to the finish line with Hideo Kojima? And at what costs will that come at, right? How does Xbox bolster their lineup around this now? As we know, this will probably be a flagship title for their next console or just in general, console exclusivity. How do we make it to their Elder Scrolls 6 we're still waiting on? Like, they have big titles here, but they have to make it there. And what are the titles that are going to fill in the gaps? We know Fable is coming out next year. That's looking to be big. Of course, Clockwork Revolution will be one of their larger titles.

23:56We have Gears E-Day still coming up this year. But, like, where will we be? I don't know. Two years, three years, five years from now? Will Xbox still have the budget to support this initiative? And if they are all in on this, how much does it cost at the end of the day? We'll find out. I don't know. Hundreds of millions of dollars. Let's see what else we have on the YouTube Super Chats. Of course, don't forget, you can get involved in all of our conversations throughout the show by super chatting on YouTube dot com slash kind of funny games. Let's jump in over there. Lucid Dream says Sony's bean counters fail to account for brand prestige, a.k.a.

24:35Kojima and customers goodwill and both have important financial impact in the long term. I very much agree with that. And that's kind of what Tim and I were talking about yesterday, which is just that there is sort of an X factor. there are there are not dollars and cents things that are very important and i think when you turn everything into a spreadsheet you are missing some of those um unnameable qualities that do really contribute to a brand feeling a sense of loyalty a sense of community like the playstation brand used to i feel like mean something to a certain group of people like this i'm a playstation gamer like that's the kind of games i play metal gear all these types of things and it's like i I feel like Nintendo still very much has that, but both PlayStation and Xbox, I feel like have kind of lost that sort of like identity.

25:23And I think having these specific game devs and directors and games of a certain type of feeling really add a lot of things that can't be counted on a spreadsheet. I like how you say that. And I like lucid dreams, a super chat here. And I agree with that. I think PlayStation still has their core identity. I think, you know, if you close your eyes, what PlayStation games are going to look like, right. and what that publisher is bringing to the table. I do think that we kind of muddied the water and got a little lost over the past decade, especially with the rise of live service games, Fortnite becoming so big, players playing now on Roblox, the younger generation's playing Roblox.

26:01There's a lot of titles here that have taken away from those core audiences because now there's just millions of games out all the time that are trying to grab our attention. But I think when you think of the core gamer and like what these publishers are trying to go for. Nintendo has their milestones. They know where they're going. PlayStation, I still think, has their identity. They've tried to dabble in some other identities that didn't work for them. And now they're trying to rewrite the course here. Xbox is currently figuring out who are we, right? That first-person shooter, bro shooter, isn't the move anymore in 2026.

26:35And we need to now find our big flagship titles and make sure that they're up to snuff. And as of the past decade, they have not been. And so they are struggling to find that. And I think when you grab somebody like Kojima that has that prestige name, if you could walk down the street or you talk with any of your fellow gamers and you say, the guy who made Metal Gear, everyone's eyes are going to light up because they know that, right? They know the team behind that. They know what's going to come with that. And now to say instead of, hey, it's going to be a mailman simulator with, you know, Daryl Dixon from The Walking Dead.

27:10And a baby. this time you're going to be like no he's actually making the metal gear follow-up i think a lot more people are going to go oh wow i'm into that right and now you're going to have a generation of fans over on playstation it's been some time right that was a playstation 1 playstation 2 ps3 when that was at its heyday now we are far removed from the metal gear games they still have the cachet the pull rights but like we are now in a different world where metal gear isn't the biggest and baddest thing, but it still carries. But we are now in a world where, hey, it's not going to be on your platform anymore.

27:44It's going to be over here on Xbox because they're going to do everything to make that console exclusive slash on PC. You're going to have to make a decision on how big of a deal that is, right? Yeah. Same thing goes for the Elder Scrolls when we talked about that. If that goes console exclusive and slash PC only, you're going to have to look at yourself and go, how important is Elder Scrolls to me? Yeah. We'll see. We'll see indeed. um goldfish boy says imagine sony ditching kojima and keeping fair games okay i don't know if the budgets line up with that but i i see what you're talking about there right there i don't have to imagine it that's what happened i don't think the budgets match up with that but all right goldfish boy right there um i wonder if delta sales play into this of course that is bam bringing up metal gear solid delta we saw the metal gears come back and re-release we've seen a remake now is that something that sony looked at going you know these re-releases maybe didn't sell yeah as hot as they were like i said right like we talked about that name and it's been quite some time it's been years now does it still carry the same weight i think fizzin is a little bit different as it will be its own new thing it will be it will start off every trailer from the guy who made metal gear and everybody excited.

28:58But what I saw with death stranding, I'm excited to see if he can pull this off and like we get to the finish line, how cool and amazing that looks. I think it will look really awesome. Yeah, I agree. And I think it's important to push things forward. And I know like, obviously he has continually gone over budget on his projects and we would love to see that not happen. But also I think sometimes to push the medium forward, you kind of have to take these big risks. And I continually see companies afraid to take risks and i i think we see some games come out because they're the safest version and people aren't loving those either so i'm like take take a chance you might fail but hopefully you succeed risks cost money madeline i know but they're important a lot of money and they are extremely important but right now in this world it is very scary to just light the mat and hold it over the big money pile and go will this work or not i don't know and i totally agree with you i think the fun one about talking about hideo kojima kojima productions and this fizzing game right is this is a man that is returning to the metal gear solid s this is his successor to that yeah there's a lot things riding on that i'm sure for him internally of this has to be better than those i can't have people go ah well he lost his step like back then he had it here he doesn't right and so I'm sure he's going to have a lot with his team of like moments where they're sure they're not sure maybe they want to redo things maybe they want to bring it back and now your PlayStation or now Xbox in particular going okay well this looked good and he's like it's not good enough we have to go back to the drawing board we have to do this okay well how much time do you need how much money is that going to cost right this is we're chasing greatness here in my mind if I was an artist and I'm coming back to my painting to make a better painting I'm going to have a lot of moments where it's like this is going to take extra time because it has to be perfect you want it to live up to the expectations or even surpass those and i think that takes a lot of time a lot of time and effort uh another one coming in from not calvin perez says even the early snag of od always struck me as weird that playstation didn't jump on it given the reputation that pt had and still holds on the ps4 generation yeah i agree i i was surprised by that too because when i i think of oh if i if if i was just in my mind like i would actually have thought they would be swapped like od would be playstation and fizzit would be xbox and now both being xbox i'm like okay let's see what happens it it does seem strange that yeah pt had was such a success and everyone loved it so much and people are still selling playstations with it sold on it on ebay yeah uh and it didn't end up over there it's very interesting yeah i wonder at that time if playstation was just deep on the death stranding train of we've already backed up the money truck let's focus on death stranding one and two wherever this deal started kind of talking about and landing and then on the flip side it's like if he's pushing something so experimental so something weird and different and you're already tied up with one project you're probably like you know what maybe take that to someone else right now let's do this we wanted the mainstream thing and you still didn't give us that to us so we don't want either of them anymore especially at that time i think xbox was looking for a big win a good gets similar to how last night or yesterday we lit the beam right you do something we're gonna light the beam xbox was looking for a big draw big pull and the idea that we brought out kojima and then jordan peele at that moment and it's like yeah we're making a horror game with these two guys i think was a big win for them just in the public eye to celebrate that and talk about that for sure that did give me hype it was it was like when they brought out keanu reed at that e3 for cyberpunk and that game wasn't even exclusive but it was so hype we still remember keanu on that one you're breathtaking mike god thank you madeline i'm trying my best uh let's go in here with uh blessed with a curse says the article mentioned they had disagreed on exclusivity if kojima didn't want uh exclusivity if kojima didn't want it exclusive on PS5.

33:06There's no way he keeps it exclusive on Xbox. That's going to be the fun conversation that we'll get into. Of course, Xbox might not have the sway inside the boardroom to say yes or no, or maybe they do because they're the one who's going to foot the rest of the bill here, so maybe they do have a little more leverage on Mr. Kojima, but you are talking about a team here who for the past five years has said, hey, our games are exclusive. They're not exclusive. They are exclusive. They aren't exclusive. even right now at this moment in 2026 that we still don't know we're not sure exclusive or not so yes it's easy to be like hey when you have a big title and you want to sell more consoles and you want people to come to your ecosystem you would make them console exclusives but at the same time xbox has also seen a lot of success with putting their games out on other platforms they also know that over on xbox there's not as many consoles sold as a playstation and nintendo switch having all three of those only boost the sales right and return on our money on our investment so we will see but i mean xbox as of right now has been xbox and pc launches then we go from there i expect the same thing here if not having this full console exclusive if you want if the goal is to sell consoles and to have people come to your ecosystem it is this is exclusive to Xbox and also releasing day one on PC, come and get it and making those fans on the other side go, man, I really love Hideo Kojima.

34:33I want this game. I have to go over there. That that's how console exclusivity works. You make people make a decision. If you meet in the middle and go, ah, well, it'll release in a year from now, Madeline Stanley's not going to look at me and go, you know what? I got to go buy the mic box right now. She's going to say, you know what? I'll wait a year from now. And then I'll come right. And so, I mean, that's, this is a day-by-day decision that we're still making right now so blessed with the curse is not wrong but we will see once we get there yeah i think i remember either jason schreier alluded to this or he explicitly stated it which was i think the big thing oh allegedly i'm gonna say allegedly because i i'm not sure if i'm parsing this correctly but that the pc was the big sticking point maybe for kojima like that playstation is no longer partnering partnering with pc and that Death Stranding 2 sold a ton on PC so I wonder if it is going to be the PC was the sticking point here that was part of the issue with Playstation is that they wanted it on PC and I believe they didn't publish it on PC so they missed out on that money which they didn't want, you know, they want that money and so yeah, that's another side we talk about Playstation here on this deal if they want it console exclusive they want all their single player games they want it to be on console only not even on the PC and Mr.

35:51Kojima doesn't want to play ball with that. Well, now we have a disagreement in the boardroom and I've put a lot of money in here. We're only halfway there and you're not meeting deadlines. You're taking more time. This is something that PlayStation would go, well, you know, I don't want to deal with this right now. We're out. So yeah, we'll see. We'll see how this goes. Man, what a fun time, Madeline Stanley. We could talk for hours here talking about our Super Chats and more Hideo Kojima, be PlayStation and Xbox all day long. But you know what? We'll do more of that right after a quick word from our sponsors.

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