Will PlayStation Reverse Its Discless Decision? - Kinda Funny Games Daily 07.08.26

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0:08Joey Noel:Today, in the nerdy news you need to know about, will PlayStation change course on ditching discs? Bernie Sanders yells at Xbox, and we got Pokemon Wind and Waves rumors. We'll have all this and more because this is Kind of Funny Games Daily.

0:28Joey Noel:what's up everybody welcome to kind of funny games daily for Wednesday July 8th 2026 I'm one of your hosts Greg Miller alongside looking for games Lucy James hi hey hey Lucy how you doing I'm doing well thanks how are you I'm excellent I'm concerned why state of the industry well for sure that but it's more the fact that when i let in one british person i know y 'all are like ants i'll have another one here in two seconds what do you mean i mean you come in then i gotta worry about a gary witta oh it's gary here i haven't seen him no he isn't oh but who is here ladies gentlemen and bees is mike bethel hey mike how are you hello i'm very good it's good to be here How are you?

1:16Joey Noel:I'm, well, I mean, the industry is dying all the time and exploding, but I'm doing pretty well. Lucy's doing pretty well with her new business, and you're doing pretty well with this mustache. I didn't realize you had a mustache now. Powerful. You like it, Natasha? Yeah. I'm very proud of Natasha. Yeah, you shouldn't be. If everybody doesn't know, Mike Biffle, of course, makes video games like Thomas Was Alone, like, of course, a bunch of different games, like one that I starred in. No, not that one. The one I starred in. Oh, I know it. It's a game showdown question right here. Oh, no, I'm sorry.

1:45I'm sorry.

1:46Joey Noel:Solitaire conspiracy. Come on. You could have been there. You could have helped me out. And most importantly, little Mike Biffle has announced a brand new game today. Vampirium 1997. And while a lot of games get announced in this industry, okay, and we do our best to tell you all about it, Mike Biffle will always be the first person who took Kind of Funny seriously. And when we launched a Patreon, we had a sponsorship tier that we thought no one would ever do. And Biffle got it so he could promote volume on the kind of funny and i will always be in his debt for that so mike bithel congratulations on vampirium 1997 getting announced today what's it all about thanks so much i that was clearly a good investment it's it's paying off for literally decades um yeah vampirium is uh vampirium 97 it's an immersive sim it's kind of minimalist it's interesting uh essentially you play as a vampire assassin uh working your way around various interesting locations dracula is the king of the british empire you need to kill his enemies for him and it's uh yeah people seem to dig it it's going down well we're going to make it um we're we're going into early access we're going to make it with the audience and kind of really iterate it on iterate on it publicly basically and just kind of get those kind of hardcore players giving us feedback and notes I'm really excited about it.

3:03It's the first time we've done that kind of open development in a while because we've been doing, you know, we did some stuff with Disney. We did some stuff with John Wick. This is really cool to be able to, there you go. This will be really great just to, yeah, be able to share that in public and kind of have that conversation. But, yeah, so it's off to a good start. People are liking it. People are wishlisting it. If you're watching this and this sounds interesting, please go on Steam and wishlist it. Vampirium 1997. But, yeah, I'm feeling good about it. Yeah. 1997. if you're not in it though greg that's the only flaw well i mean it's a lot of references to like kf guard maybe that's there you go yeah are you doing are there going to be voices in it are we going that far you know what are we doing where we're at we're gonna we're gonna like i said we're gonna kind of see where the community takes us if there's in if there's interest if people are digging it if people are picking it up then we can start playing with those ideas um it's not i did when i named the kf guards the kf guards i was anticipating that you guys would you know maybe sue me or something no no familiar the night's familiar change me kind of funny you have my heart they'll always be kind of funny exactly kind of funny license that from you amazing yeah for

4:11Joey Noel:sure for sure yeah i'm so proud of you mike this is so exciting everybody go a wish list on steam vampirium 1997 you're obviously coming out the gate right now you can go to your youtube biffle games obviously you can see not only the teaser trailer but then like a nine minute walk through you did of how the game works and what's going on everyone should go and do that free thank you where are we in terms of the timeline you announced today when do you expect people to actually be able to get into early access um so we're not saying that today but you're giving me an exclusive and you're stealing my ip so you can this is yeah this is true this is true i mean it depends how much time i waste talking to kind of funny um but uh no we're we're gonna be doing we're definitely going to be doing some like open alpha testing relatively soon and kind of getting a few people in the door to kind of give us the thoughts um it's it's an interesting one because it is so as you can see from the gameplay footage it's so um it's an immersive sim but it's obviously a weird perspective it's a weird interface so we're having to do a lot of work to make sure that that feels great for players yeah so it's going to be a bit of back and forth we're going to figure that out but already we've got play testers working out how to someone worked out how to like barricade the vampire outside so when the sun rose they died automatically which was great we're getting those kind of fun interactions which are really cool um so yeah we're gonna be playing with all of that um and also yeah if people go to the steam page they can they can see that video you were just sharing which yeah as i said just is me playing essentially me doing a mission so entering a space uh to assassinate to be a hitman if you will um and to take out a bad guy in that level would you say it's kind of like you're a hitman on the go i i would say i would say yeah it is it is it is hitman adjacent i am i'm experiencing what it would be to be a hitman yeah perhaps not the hitman okay sure fair enough fair enough i appreciate that i appreciate that i have a couple super chats for you already uh of course you can if you're watching us live youtube.com slash kind of funny games you could write in uh we only have mike for a little bit but you can talk to lucy she's also british uh jj baseball 23 says uh this looks awesome wish listed and can't wait for this to be on my rog or to be my rog couch game so you got to keep us i know you're a pc guy at heart all right but we got to get that beaten out of you because you got to remember unfortunately you are outnumbered here because i'm also a pc well i mean technically i've been playing everything on pc as well but since my pcs are only portable they're really just vita twos it's a whole thing don't worry about it but you got to keep us controller people in mind all right i know and i mean i will say so i'm gonna say right out the gate already cool controller support okay already at 60 fps on steam oh oh i don't know the rogue i don't know the rogue steam it's more powerful so if you're doing steam deck oh we're fine yeah you're great you're great hell yeah okay great um no that's i'm i'm the exact same i i i like playing on a mouse and keyboard but yeah i'm i'm a i'm a controller guy as well so yeah that stuff we always kind of get there from the start it feels it feels great on the controller it's very much like that is honestly the steam deck is my favorite way to play it um it's super sleek um which has been its own interesting game design challenge that i could bore you for an hour about in terms of how you make that interface feel good but it's coming along it's coming along uh dustino super chat says mike biffle stoked to see you on kind of funny games daily and congrats on the announcement love hearing your insight on the industry and completely unrelated topics on pwl that's play watch listen usually completely unrelated topics i don't think we talked about games for about six months on there but yeah people should uh should check play watch list now me alana and austin talking absolute nonsense i'm glad that dustino gave us that transition you do talk about the industry every so off offer your insight uh how do we save it yeah um that's why it might be too big a question you're one of these millionaire independent developers your game is yeah totally yeah no absolutely i for me i think i think we have to treat people better that's i that's the short version of a very long answer um people make games and we should treat people with respect and kindness and not try and put positive spin on them losing their jobs well said that would be my my random take i like that take a lot as i scroll ahead in the news about story number three we're going to say no that's not how they're they're acting that's not they're acting about it but that's maybe they give them an mo that's fair yeah yeah maybe they'll hear this like oh we shouldn't have done that to the bethousand developers mike i love you congratulations vampirium 1997 available to go wishlist right now of course that's where you'd go and follow the game do you want where else should be people be action are you just saying wishlist so they follow you've been doing just you've been doing a novel like a visual or a what do you call it chapters of a story that's a whole thing i don't want to you've got news to get to but yeah we've been doing a whole short story so if you were in our short story the big reveal in the in today's chapter was that it's dracula um but no the thing the thing to do if you're watching this and any of what i've said sounds interesting please go to the steam page for vampirium 997 and click wish list it it helps us in the algorithm it gets everything rolling you're a hero if you do it and i appreciate it and then stick around because we want to kind of talk to the community about where they want us to take the game um so yeah um that's all really cool if you want to join our mailing list feel free but i really want to push people towards steam and the wish list if we can um please vampirian 1997 get over there and do it look at him and his mustache take care of him we love you mike good to see you both bye lucy this is big for me because i'm in my vampire era are you finally watching lestat are you watching interview the vampire no no i don't like watching content as you know so i like playing content so i did bloodline very excited for dawn walker as you know oh it's sick you i know you've been telling me how good it is i got another vampire game from here i went back and re-downloaded vampire remember that old one from back in the day i played a little bit yeah where i played a little bit of it dropped off but i put it back on the steam but more importantly dawn walker yeah we previewed it yesterday go dead andy paris love it you love it as well i loved it yeah you went to the same event as andy i was sat next to excellent tell me the andy story i'm sorry andy um she walked to the station like i'm pissed off i wasn't on the show yesterday so i couldn't tell andy these cookies so handy uh we get we get there there's like little snacks and coffees and things andy and i both grab a bag of cookies and we're standing there and we go in this beautiful grandiose church situation there are monks there's all this you know projection on the walls real monks there well i don't think they were real amongst people in suits and then on the on the ceiling you know they had like a full day night cycle on the ceiling awesome and he opens his uh opens his bag of cookies as the uh as they're giving the little spiel about what the game is and instead of using his hand to grab a cookie he he bends at the neck to go down like a giraffe at the watering hole i caught him doing it it's honestly the most bizarre thing i've ever seen and yet maybe something we should all pick up I can put myself in his headspace you get to the event your hands are dirty I've stressed I mean now COVID's blown up my spot but I stressed for years like when you go to SDCC when you go to PAX your hands are biohazards you're shaking hands you're saying you can't touch your food but I'd wrap a napkin around something I'm trying to eat or whatever so for them to get up and be like big coming out party let's tell you about our game and they look at the crowd you're like nick scarpino like what are you doing andy thing is though is that i was i was tempted to try and maybe you know maybe i will going forward i'm sorry andy i love you the other thing i would offer a question it would almost be to you but it's really to everybody watching everybody watching you're in different industries assumedly you're doing different things some you many of you have real normal jobs are there as many just weirdo crazy people around you i'm including myself in this.

12:02Joey Noel:But when you talk about Andy, you talk about Dan Reicher, you talk about me. Like, I just feel like Mike Minotti, I feel like when you start really getting into how crazy we all are, idiosyncraties, you know what I mean? Oh yeah. Sometimes I sort of, you know, we'll talk to everyone saying yes. Okay, great. Okay, good. Cool. Just making sure. Just make it. You know what? We can leave it right there, everybody, because this is kind of funny games daily. Each and every weekday, we run you through the nerdy news. You need to know about if you're watching live super chat to be part of the show, youtube.com slash kind of funny games, just like Alex did.

12:32Joey Noel:What kind of coffee is you drinking? Love you guys. Got a hot latte. I'm pretty boring. Yeah, I'm doing the 1971 roast. Just black coffee is all I want. That was the first one that popped up. That's what I wanted. Yours is a latte. When I just want black coffee, it gets complicated. Of course, we couldn't do the show without our Patreon producers on patreon.com slash kindoffunny. So thank you, Carl Jacobs, Omega Buster, Delaney the Somme Twining, and Lax Nomad. For now, let's begin the show with what is and forever will be the Roper Report. Time for some news. Oh, I didn't even list them all today.

13:05Joey Noel:I got to do ahead of myself. I'm not used to Billy. You're doing great, Bear. Keep going. Six items on the Roper Report. A baker's dozen! Crushed it, as always. Thank you, Bear. Story number one. The headline I put, Will PlayStation reverse its diskless decision? Because we're going to have a conversation springing from this headline. Analyst says PlayStation won't change its mind. This is Tom Phillips at IGN. PlayStation 5 owners are canceling their PlayStation Plus subscriptions in protest at Sony's controversial decision to stop releasing games on physical discs. But the gesture will not force the console maker to change its mind, analysts say.

13:43Joey Noel:Sony has drawn huge amounts of online criticism from PlayStation owners, upset at the move to an all-digital future for all-new PlayStation 5 games launched from January 2028 onwards. Something that's almost certain to continue on PS6. A high-profile petition calling on Sony to reconsider its decision has now reached over 200 ,000 signatures, and in the past few days, PlayStation 5 users have taken to social media to share screenshots of canceling PlayStation Plus subscriptions. But speaking to IGN, Dr. Sirkan Toto, CEO of Japanese game industry consultancy firm Kantan Games, suggested that even if half a million people canceled their PlayStation Plus subscription in protest, it would just be a drop in the ocean for Sony, which is not going to change its mind.

14:31Joey Noel:Quote, I sympathize with physical media fans, but Sony will not reverse its decision, Toto told IGN. they of course knew what the online reaction would look like and they now wait for this storm to pass Sony has over 120 million active PlayStation users around 50 million people subscribe on PlayStation Plus as a thought experiment let's say 500 ,000 cancel in protest that would be just 1 % of the business gone of course not enough for Sony to start rethinking digital is just too lucrative end quote For a first-party PlayStation game such as The Last of Us, Sony will only keep around 65 % of the money from a physical copy, with 30 % going to the retailer and roughly another 5 % on manufacturing costs.

15:16Joey Noel:Meanwhile, for a physical copy of a third-party game such as Activision-published Call of Duty, Sony will get a licensing fee of likely around 15%. For digital downloads, however, the margins are much higher. For a first-party game sold via Sony's own PlayStation Store, the company obviously keeps 100 % of the revenue. For third-party games, such as Call of Duty, meanwhile, Sony keeps 30 % cut, so roughly$21 for a$70 game. Quote, I do think Sony will respond in some capacity given the backlash, and to be honest, they shouldn't have announced this until they were ready to disclose how discs work on PlayStation 6, said Daniel Lamad, director of research and insights at Nico Partners via a post on X.

15:58Joey Noel:But I'd be surprised if they do a full reversal at this point. We're back to Toto here. Their current profit margin has been too weak for years now. So they feel like they must act, Toto concluded. From an economic perspective, digital sales just make too much sense, especially for platform holders. Lucy, what do these people know? These analysts. Yeah, no, they're not going to go back on this. i mean they they did say what if from 28 onwards if you are third party you can request like reprints and stuff yeah new discs no new discs no i mean that's the thing it's like it was kind of always going to happen this way it absolutely sucks the timing was god awful with them revoking all of the digital content on people's libraries anyway yeah uh and then gta 6 set the precedent so of course yeah of course it was gonna happen yeah i think you know it's an interesting conversation to come up because it's more the people who are holding on hope that they would change the decision where i think this is what we've talked about so much on this show so many different times of the people who watch this show and care about game news this way are the hardest of the hardcore and we're all this da da da and then you get out into this general populace who doesn't even know this is happening and when it happens they might be upset but were they ever going to be the ones who go buy the next thing were they even going to do it when they buy that first box copy off of in 2028 the walmart shelf and bring it home and open up and find a digital code and then they just find out that's what life is will it repel them from the business or not it's a that is an actual question and figure it out but in reality back to what the analysts are saying here is what i've been saying on these shows is that playstation sits there and has bean counters going through this and going even if we lose 30 percent of playstation plus subscriptions the money we will make off of the remaining things we're back to the art the thing i keep trotting out the dead horse i keep bringing out of the cfo saying we're going to monetize the existing playstation user they know the hardest of hardcore are going to still want to play their games and are still want to go do this and are already doing it again this is something that keeps getting lost in the conversations we're having this isn't a decision that they're throwing we've hit 51 percent of people want digital downloads we're gonna if 49 get in line with it right we're talking about an overwhelming majority that are buying that way and yes i know there are physical collectors i see you all on the reddits and the sub instagram and everywhere else and i love that that's your passion it's just playstation knows that future is ending somewhere and it's also i mean for them what what are you gonna do not buy games for the console that you spend all that money on yeah i said it on friends per second but they've they've got the audience by the short and curlies and it's their way or the highway and the thing if you're talking about because obviously when you can't when you think about discs you think about uh brick and mortar retail and that was advertising because you would walk in you would see a cool looking game uh by the box art on the shelf and you'd be like i want to play that you can still have that you can still have the fake boxes like you have a target uh or you could do what xbox has and has all of the keys on a card go scratch them off so there will still be some retail presence but yeah no how long do you think that lasts do you think there's ever i mean as the console market continues to shrink slash stabilize is a much smaller thing as you assume the big box stores are getting angry at playstation for this decision are not liking this if they aren't moving units we're kind of into where they were with xbox where we're shrinking the xbox footprint you're not selling costco's getting rid of xboxes you're not selling like at what point is it like well no buyers if you want a playstation 6 or 5 i guess after this buy it from amazon buy it from whatever yeah i I wonder if there will be a subset of people.

19:35Myself included is that I don't love buying big expensive things that have to be delivered to my house online. And so I still relish the brick and mortar experience because it feels safer in some way. I live in Oakland, so it is safer in some way. I've had a lot of packages stolen.

19:53Joey Noel:Luckily, that's happening everywhere. But no, the thing is that I agree with you. There will be less and less space, but I think there will always still be a present because there will be, I mean, really, I don't even think we're talking about your triple A's other than like, they're not going to remove Roblox and Minecraft cards. Yeah. That's the thing. And as long as they are going to continue to have, but even then I wonder like the cards, I even at the grocery store at the checkout counter, I glance over there and it's a million gift cards, including Xbox, including PlayStation. It's like, is that the future where like the electronics department is, is TVs and whatever, but then everything else is over there.

20:31I think there'll always still be some. Because if you think about peripherals, I wonder if you can still get your controllers and such there, even if maybe they carry one or two of the actual consoles themselves in terms of box. I don't know. I think it's still valuable.

20:46Joey Noel:Yeah. The thing about all of this is that I have like, like you said, we talk about games like Live and Breathe them, Audience Lives and Breathe them, but it's like, I am tech support for people in my family who do not. And so the audience that we're not talking about is that one where it's like, I have my aunt and uncle and they won't put their PS4 on the internet. Because, yeah. Cyberpunk running for them. Well, no, they're not playing that. He's playing Lego games and stuff. And then my sister, I got my nieces a Switch and she was like, well, they can play Minecraft or whatever, but I'm going online with it yeah and so yeah cool how you know what are we doing about we're doing about all that are you just waiting for that well they are they're just gonna wait for that audience to continue to remain on last gen and then eventually just get with the program if you do upgrade yeah i think that's the thing where there's going to be pills to swallow and i think that'll be what's interesting about how they're promoting next gen right we talk about it all the time here and i know you do as well of like well do we need next gen what will the actual benefits of next gen be okay cool maybe you're getting 120 you know and 4k or whatever the graphical deal is but of course at my pc exactly please don't break please i actually don't have an issue with my oh no who would have thought pc gaming well i think a cable's loose oh well that's not that just fix the cable you know what i mean yeah but i'm scared fair enough uh yeah as we get to this i think the we get into that hypothetical argument all the time of well if a grandmother walks into the store and tries to she's gonna be confused and that's just i don't think that scenario happens as much and i think as we hurdle towards a playstation 6 a project helix that is 1500 wait two thousand dollars like we're definitely to a point where it's not your your your sister calling you be like hey i want to get my nephew this you know fuck no like i'm buying a refurbished whatever and like that's what they're riding out forever and ever unless they are falling into who how we grew up of being obsessed with games and that's who we are it's just sad and i mean it's super sad yeah and but yeah and then i haven't i haven't watched jason schreier's video on it yet but i know the youtuber the schreier guy one take the youtuber yeah jason schreier i haven't watched his video yet but i know he kind of delves into margins and yeah how what are the actual percentages i think i saw in the chat earlier someone said the capcom 93 digital yeah so it was always gonna to happen yeah it was always gonna again it was always gonna happen i think it was this shock of it happening last week on a random tuesday right where it was like oh nobody had heard rumors that this was the thing that was shifting and here it was bam we're done here's the date why did they announce it is it a shareholder reason they had to they had to announce it i mean i don't understand why they didn't just wind it down slowly i mean as i've said multiple times on this show playstation sees a rake they want every time playstation shoots themselves in their foot xbox shoots themselves in the head so like xbox telegraph july 6 is the date we're making extreme cuts and so i playstation must have been like get the bad get the bad news out before then because like what the fuck what do we care and i i imagine as we hurdle towards playstation 6 and the next gen which they're working on you know inevitably leaks are going to start dev units are going to blah blah blah blah and there's going to be conversations with partners outside of the walled garden that are hey there's no discs like you have to be prepped it's them controlling the messaging exactly yeah own it put it out there be upset about it and yeah at that time you couldn't have been worse to yeah come off of uh i want to say castle rock but that wasn't it whatever the production company that had pulled other movies including terminator 2 and all that jazz from the playstation store and yeah but again that's where we are as it's always bad news in the industry It's constantly bad news.

24:35Joey Noel:There is one piece of good news right now from Kotaku. This is Zach over there. However, if you do threaten to quit your PlayStation Plus, you might get a discount. Last week, PlayStation announced that it would be ending physical video game disc production for new games in 2028. This angered a lot of people, not just collectors and superfans. Now players trying to cancel their PlayStation Plus accounts in protest are being offered discounts to stay, discovering how desperate Sony and other companies are to keep people hooked on subscriptions. Some players fed up with Sony's decision have begun canceling their PlayStation Plus subscriptions and now are being offered a choice.

25:07Joey Noel:Ditch Sony to prove a point or take the devil's deal and get a big discount on PlayStation Plus. Quote, in protest to Sony going all digital, I tried to cancel my subscription, posted one PlayStation user on Reddit on Monday. But they hit me with 50 % off deal if I resubscribed, ha ha. They shared a screenshot of the PlayStation app with an offer from Sony for three months of PlayStation Plus at half price. Others claim to have received similar offers when trying to quit and boycott Sony. One user was offered 25 % off a 12-month PlayStation Plus subscription despite accepting an offer earlier in the year to extend their plan at a discounted rate.

25:41Joey Noel:Others claim that the same scenario happened to them too. To be clear, it is extremely unlikely Sony has flipped some switch on the back end to keep people subscribed to PlayStation Plus following its poorly received announcement of the death of physical discs. Instead, this is just how companies that are desperate to keep subscriber numbers up and money flowing tend to react when you try to leave. yeah I was gonna say I don't know if that's something that they 100 % did because as someone who has been riding off the$2.99 a month peacock subscription no ads baby I think about all that vandapump rules uh yeah I do that a lot I buy a subscription and it's like it's the old if you're old enough for member cable tv when you call did you cancel your cable what if I gave you a package that bundled x y and z and brought it down to this thing no I had to get I bought like five years of ps plus um a while ago because uh of the unique and annoying way that playstation does region locking uh and so when i moved over to us um i couldn't get used codes or anything on my actual account and i couldn't use my american cards to pay for the games on my original account so uh yep you got me i remember those days of playstation 3 having my japanese game over Greggy account and having to go to play Asia and buy a PSN Japanese card so I could go in and buy whatever oh yeah no and for a while I didn't have um a debit card or a credit card in the UK um because I was like I don't love that uh and uh do you know how humiliating it is for a 30 something year old woman to ask their mom for money to buy playstation games I love that it was the same thing where like uh I forget where we were but when Simon Carty was staying with us on the last last one.

27:23Joey Noel:He's like, let me pick up the tag. Let me pick up the tab. And it was square pie, guys. And like he did the thing and it's like on the QR code, it says like, foreign cards won't work. He's like, ah, guys, I need you. We're like, ah, we got you, brother. Let's get some Super Chats in. Obviously, there are a lot going on here. Cry tune. Boss B. Super Chats and says, hello, Greg and Lucy. So Sony wants to stop production of physical discs. Could a third party offer Sony slash Microsoft to take over the production side, including cost this could be a valid option right technically yes but let's walk it backwards right this could be an option of out a valid option yes the market is shrunk to such a degree that is not worth the investment i would think as an outsider looking in could a third party offer sony slash microsoft to take over the production side of including cost shockingly if you didn't know you can eliminate microsoft from that it's just sony printing discs xbox pays sony to make their discs i didn't know that it's a bad scene out there brother and so like this is the whole thing where it's like oh playstation's canceling look to xbox and i'm like are we really looking to xbox because sony is the one making the blu-rays and that's what they're using right so if we go that direction yeah then how is if sony starts flipping the fucking script like the everything we talk about all the time it feels like is the canary in the coal mine we're the canary this is the thing like oh my god they've jacked up the price of xbox and we're like well yeah everything's about to go up and then everything went blah blah blah like playstation pulling out of discs ah and it's like yes understandably so i assure you that xbox is was is thinking the exact same thing especially as you try to bring the price tag of helix down last year or the year before i think they laid off a lot of people in their um physical disc distribution team and so even taking xbox out of the conversation let's look to play and i i'm talking out my ass here i don't know the real numbers here but if playstation is saying we're not making discs anymore is i don't know how long sony is looking at it going we're all we're still making blu-rays as physical best buy doesn't sell them i don't know i remember when tim was all cry baby about it like you know what i mean like isn't that right isn't that didn't they pull that out Like as this continue to go down and down and down, I would argue to a degree, your only option is going to be a third party saying, Hey, we're still making discs place is Sony has closed this down of some Cameron Kennedy says they brought them back.

29:55Joey Noel:I think. Okay, great. But as it continues to go down, eventually Sony is going to say, we're not making these anymore. A third party option will pop up, but I imagine it's going to be so boutique that it wouldn't be this way of it. And then it's going to be what we're seeing with Ram of, okay, cool. the is it i let's i'm just spitballing i am a bit wants to make a blu-ray version of whatever game independent partner they're working with they're going to order 1500 copies let's just say yeah yeah but you're looking over at some anapurna pictures wants to put out a blu-ray collection for their thing and they're ordering 40 000 copies well it's like that's going to be the contract that takes precedent over that like i feel like that's where you also get into this sliding scale.

30:37Yeah, unless you did like a limited run, not the company concept. If you did a thing where it's like you sign up, you pay, your deposit, whatever, then we get that money printed.

30:50Joey Noel:And again, that will be, I do think, an actual viable business on a small scale, yes. On the scale so many of us want, no. Collectors, there will always be the people who are ready for that, but it's also like It's another barrier to entry. It's like, it's not just, oh, I can go on Amazon or I can go to Target and I can just buy it because it's right there. It's like, I have to hunt this out. I have to seek it out. And with everything else, it's vying for my attention at the same point. Am I going to remember to do that? Am I even going to know? Am I going to miss the pre-order window? Which has happened to me multiple times already.

31:22And I feel like to think of myself as quite a switched on online person. Yeah, I just, oh man, it feels... We were just saying to Mike when he was waiting to come in, we were like, going back how long, like mike and i have known each other we're just like oh we've been around for so long like and should have remembered the should have thought about the good old days when you were in them 100 go to the shop and buy something and then i could trade it in and get something else

31:50Joey Noel:it's outrageous to think about what this i mean for me 20 years ago starting in this industry working at ign and going to gamestop and trading stuff in and getting new things and then the ign library of games behind us and that's a die and i'm and is it better or worse like it's a different it's just it's like talking to somebody about like pre-internet days like it's that crazy of like trying to explain to somebody what it used to be like i digress uh exigent midnight says sony will only change its minds if its mind if big third-party devs say their games will skip playstation without physical options and it won't happen exactly it won't happen because again i think they're going to be forced into where they're going console market share exactly exactly exactly shrinking we'll see what goes on there uh rance says if they would do it to where we can download our purchases for offline use forever and actually own things in a digital form maybe it wouldn't be so bad correct but as i saw imran khan call out today or a long time ago i think it was but he quote tweeted it today on bs that's blue sky team if you want to see how bad this digital market is just look at mobile and go try to find your favorite mobile games because they don't fucking exist anymore as today as we get to eventually in wii news a final fantasy and mario kart world or i'm sorry mario kart tour is that what it's called yep whatever the mobile mario kart is being taken offline as well that's just gone you'll never play uh you can't actually play the greatest game ported to mobile ever made peggle peggle does not work uh on ios it never got updated doesn't work please please someone at ea please just fix it what about don't you mention peggle blast to me barrett what about peggle 2 no not on there damn yeah they did peggle blast because they wanted the microtransactions that worked out really well for them sucks mike like music has a super chat in here i believe that ps6 could potentially be sony's xbox one moment Xbox has the opportunity to make Helix have a disk drive no paywall for online and have a PC slash Xbox library it could even be cheaper and more powerful than the Playstation 6 listen Mike like music everything you just said of course could happen I don't know what you've seen from Satya Nadella's moves that make you think any of that has a point more than .01 % chance of happening Satya Nadella's just misunderstood Greg Like, this is what, this is endgame.

34:16You know what? This is really where we're going to,

34:18Joey Noel:I understand this market has never been sustainable, but we're going to take a fucking humongous gamble. We're going to eat fucking$1 ,000 loss on every console just so we can win the gamers' hearts and minds and still do physical. I'm spinning up a production facility in Korea right now that's going to print discs for no fucking chance. This is like every, again, there's such a, there are three to four different perfect storms intersecting in where we are right now where it's like maybe if Xbox hadn't failed maybe if there wasn't the RAM crisis maybe there were the memory maybe like no everybody's battening down the hatches how can they get the most money out of all of us so they can get to the other side of the storm and if you're at Microsoft fund a bunch of fucking AI garbage that's okay because everyone's using Copilot right yeah

35:09Joey Noel:I'm looking through here to see I'm going to give Christopher Burnett the last super chat on this topic. I'm a hardcore gamer. I buy a minimum of five to eight physical games per month and zero digital games. No disc, no buy. Well, just retrograde game going forward. And I wish you well with that. You know what I mean? As we already see, the majority of people are buying. Majority of game sales are digital. They're worried about that. They're not worried about the minority that they're going to lose. and again, Christopher, are they really going to lose you? I'm not challenging you and saying you're not a man of your word.

35:44I'm just saying, we'll see.

35:47Joey Noel:We'll see. I don't know what game could sway you, bring you back. And once you do, it's a slippery slope. I'm just saying. But I wish you well with your retro games as I wish everybody well, of course, each and every day here on Kind of Funny Games Daily, where I couldn't do it without your support. Remember, you can pick up a membership over on Patreon.com slash Kind of Funny, YouTube.com slash Kind of Funny Games, Apple and Spotify. Of course the membership would get you everything we do Ad for your daily dose of me Greg Miller in which I review the drama today The movie? Things to say about that Oh I'm dying to know what you think about it You like it?

36:22Joey Noel:Subscribe to the membership It inspired a lot of conversation with me and Jen Okay Oh no what did you do So I mean just here So do you think the drama The reveal Would that be a big deal to you?

36:40I'm glad someone's finally asking this question. It would be a big deal, but not as big as they like, I would be like, you know, more on the concern side.

36:49Joey Noel:I would be like, Oh my God. Yeah. Really? Tell me more about that. That's so cool. You overcame that. Not, not like, ah, ruin our whole fucking life. Go watch the drama, everybody. And then watch the, the, the spoiler cast. Thank you, bear. It's on my side. Fuck you. Listen, I've been talking about this for months and we feel like fucking insane people. the way people talk about this fucking movie. I can't wait to have a real conversation with you. I gotta talk to Julie about it. Because me and Jen finished it. Jen and I, like, in the middle of it, almost turned it off. We're like, we're so angry at the way they're all reacting about this.

37:17Joey Noel:And so then when we got into this, and it was in bed last night, we're like, but do you think we're the crazy ones? Like, did other people watch this movie or were like, yeah, this is the, I would have the same reaction. Because it's obviously, like, they went through something, and they, like you said, overcame it. I don't know, man. It's so weird. Yeah. Everybody, of course, go to get the Greg way on Patreon, on YouTube, Apple, Spotify. Of course, you get good karma for supporting 11-person, 11-year-old small business right now that you're not using your benefits. So here's a word from our sponsors.

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