584: Kings of Anglia: I, 4-1, love an away win

23:54Stuart Watson:Nunez's one was a silly one because he kind of dangled. He stood too close to a free kick in Swansea's half about five yards away rather than 10. And despite being sort of ushered away by the referee, he loitered and dangled a bit of a leg as the ball was kicked upfield. So that was a silly booking. Then I remember Swansea's first booking was an equally silly one. Actually, that was the shove on Furlong. That was slightly comical. Furlong had a throw-in right in front of the dugout. Was it Tymon, did you say? Yes, Tymon. He was the most cynical. I've never seen this before. He was mid-throw-in action.

24:31Stuart Watson:The ball was kind of about to be launched, and Tymon just ran over and shoved him two-handed in the back to stop him sort of playing it quickly up the line. So those two sort of bookings then set the tone. The ones that followed for Swansea were... We had Zidane Inusa on the half-hour mark was the next one. Yeah, I think these were just late tackles that followed from there. I don't think there can be any complaints about that one. That was really late. With that, we had Ethan Galbraith on 33, and then Samuel Smith on 34, to wrap up literally five yellow cards in 10 minutes. I've just brought up your Matchday blog, match day live still and it is late challenge was late on Taylor in the midfield and then there's a late challenge on Nunes from Samuel Smith so yeah check out if you're not at a game ladies and gentlemen check out Stu's or AJ whoever's doing it on the day match day live but yeah which I assumed Alex would be doing while he was when he was away that's the only way to keep up with the action when you're not at the match AJ of course as a loyal subscriber yeah they were late tackles after that and I think that was indicative of the frustration in the home side really that were just sort of yeah a sense that Ipswich were controlling it they were just a yard off it all over the pitch really and the manager Sheehan kind of admitted that afterwards that their first half performance wasn't good enough as I say the longer it went on you were thinking come on you've got to take advantage of this dominance really turn the home crowd and thankfully that that moment did come and it's a proper moment of quality isn't it sometimes in games where for all of what ipswich managed to do possession wise and the territory they had and creating some kind of half opportunities the odd actual chance in there as well you need something often that kind of and we say it's a bit of a cliche that moment of magic to open the deadlock to open up a game uh ross jack clark i think we were quite keen to see him start again to take his chance to nail down that shirt, if possible, with a really competitive battle with Jadon Filagene, especially Portman Road Jadon Filagene, isn't it?

26:48But this was quite special. Picked up the ball from Dara O'Shea, turns into space, and that's a wonderful finish to open scoring. Yeah, very good goal. And I will admit, I didn't know how good it was until you watch it back, because he's in good space. And he just sort of passes it into the net, in a way. I think the surface at Swansea was pretty good. in the range just before kick-off. But, yeah, for him to really go for that shot and keep having no chance. And, yeah, it's great to see him get the opportunity to start in this game. Because, yeah, we have to admit, Philogene at Porton Road, brilliant.

27:21Away from home, yeah, not too good. But, yeah, he took his chance, got that goal. Interesting celebration where he just sort of, like, went like that. And then, obviously, the Swansea fans were not happy. But, no, I thought he had a really good game, Jack Clark. and sixth goal of the season, which has gone under the radar a little bit because he's been coming off the bench and scoring. So, yeah, he's proven he has scored and got an assist a lot in the championship last time he was here with Sunderland. So, yeah, when he gets his chance, he, you know, takes it. Stu, a couple of bits for you then on Clark, then on that goal.

28:00And where did that leave you at half-time?

28:03Stuart Watson:Yeah, credit to Dara O'Shea for his involvement in this goal. It was a sort of a counter on a counter, really. Clark actually sort of is dispossessed in the original Ipswich attack. It looks like Swansea might break fast on Ipswich, but Dara O'Shea high up the pitch, perfectly timed standing tackle, and that sort of turned defence into attack again, and that's where Clark takes it on and produces the finish that Ross has discussed. It's not just his dribbling. It's not just his goals that's impressing me with Jack Clark at the moment. his all-round game is improving and Kieran McKenna has spoken about this.

28:44Stuart Watson:He's got Premier League qualities in terms of the magic in his boots, but there are certain things that hold those players back from becoming really elite players that they've been working on. And that tends to be with kind of flashy wingers, the off-the-ball work, the nitty-gritty. And I think he's come on leaps and bounds with that. I thought we could see it during the Premier League season. and we're certainly seeing more of it in the Championship now. He'll win headers now. He'll win tackles. If you have a look back, one of the goals in the second half, I think the fourth goal is a Clark tackle in there that leads to that.

29:20Stuart Watson:It's those little things that go unnoticed by many, but certainly not from the coaching staff that he's improved. And his positional play, I think by his own admittance, it took him a while to get his head around what the left wing role is in this Ipswich town system at Sunderland. He was a traditional paint-on-your-boots winger, stay wide left. Action plan was get the ball to Jack Clark and let him do his thing. And obviously he wants to drift inside and shoot. At Ipswich, of course, it's a tucked-in winger, isn't it? It's Leif Davis wanting to occupy the entirety of that left side. And it's virtually a number 10 at times.

29:59And I think Jack Clark struggled with that to start with.

30:03Stuart Watson:I think he's getting it now. and I think this was really good evidence of that in this game. He played on the inside a lot. He dropped into really deep pockets at times. He was more creative in his link play and it gave Leif Davis that space to bomb up and down the left. He was a really influential player in this game. So, yeah, I think he's really kicking on Jack Clark at the moment. Hell of a battle between him and Jadon, six apiece now. You talk about nailing down the shirt. I don't know if either of them can nail down a shirt at the moment with the way they're going. But it's great, isn't it?

30:39Stuart Watson:Lovely headache to have. Absolutely is. I'm going to turn it on to you, Ross. Like you do with us every time you host the podcast, Ross Halls. How were you feeling at halftime? Fine. As Al Ramsey quoted when we won the title, the English title in 62. No, I felt like we got our goal and Swansea fans weren't happy. I think the atmosphere sort of changed a little bit. They were getting frustrated. I went into the press room because the internet was dreadful, by the way, in Swansea, pitch side. I do not enjoy that because I was missing loads of different things because I was trying to get pitches in the system for Stu.

31:24But then I found out there were some Welsh cakes in the... I had three because I was like, why not? that's the peep show thing isn't it I know it's four but like four Jeremy four three Welsh cakes yeah three that is insane but no I was fine to be fair I think I was a bit frustrated that we maybe didn't score more because of the the crosses and just a few moments where I was like oh we could do better there but yeah I didn't feel like Swansea as Stu mentioned earlier they were setting up as an away team because they were just, yeah, we were dominating the ball. But it was just really cagey. I think the ref had a few little moments, as I mentioned earlier.

32:07I just didn't think he had control of it, really. I know the Swansea fans weren't happy with some of his decisions. Yeah, 1-0.

32:16Stuart Watson:I think you always fear when it's won and you've been the dominant team. Here we go. That a home team won't be that bad again after a bit of a half-time rollicking and a reset and a refresh. you don't see it that often from managers, but I think it spoke volumes about how poor Swansea were in that first half because he made two changes at the break. He changed system. He went 4-2-3-1 to match up Ipswich. And that did make a difference. And, you know, again, next goal, cliche, feels like it's going to be vital if Ipswich got it. You knew that was going to be game, set and match, and that would kill them off.

32:59Stuart Watson:But it's Swansea who get back into it five minutes after the restart. Yeah, I want to stick with you, Stu, and I want to kind of couple these next two together because probably going in, you wouldn't have expected at the start of the second half, in the first 10 minutes of it, that there would be two Swansea players to score the next two goals. One of them, of course, gets turned into his own net by former Ipswich Town man Cameron Burgess. Let's group these two together then, Stu, to talk through what this kind of passage was like. So Ipswich concede, Gonzalo Franco with the finish, and then the first own goal.

33:37Spoiler alert for Cameron Burgess.

33:39Stuart Watson:Yeah, you could see that Swansea's change in system, sort of matching up 4-2-3-1, was going to give them a bit more going forwards, which they needed, but it was clearly going to make it a more open game, which can play into Ipswich's hands. And ultimately, that was the tale of the second half. Ipswich started on the front foot, I think McIntyre won a corner within seconds of the restart and you were thinking, here we go. And then Swansea go and equalise on 50. We have to say there's a bit of a theme now with some goals coming down Ipswich's right-hand side. This is another one. I think that's three in a row now that have come down that side that have just been little sharp bits of interplay that have unpicked Ipswich down that side.

34:21Stuart Watson:It's a cutback that's side-footed home from the middle of the box. But as was the case in midweek, Ipswich responded really well. And yeah, how long was that? Was it 55? And then five minutes till they got themselves. 50 and 55. Yeah. So again, we're talking about themes of years gone by. There was a feeling in the championship before that if Ipswich conceded, the first thought was to go and get a goal themselves. and then they got to the Premier League and they realised that they had to ditch that mindset because it can hurt you. But now they're back in the Championship and they're growing as a team.

35:05Stuart Watson:I think that mindset is returning, that if you get hit with a punch, you come back at them and that's what Ipswich did here and it's some really nice link play from George Hurst, who I have to say didn't have loads of chances in this game, but I thought his link play was much, much improved. as he dropped into little pockets and just little sharp layoffs. And it was him involved with this one, threading the ball up the left for Leif Davis. Is it a shot or is it a cross is my question to you. He's kind of caught in two minds. Who was it? He's got someone racing in at the back post, doesn't he, to pick out.

35:46Stuart Watson:I think it's a shot. Yeah, that was my instinct at the time. I thought it was from the video, from the highlight, It looked like a shot, but I'm not sure. I thought that. That was my instinct at the time, shot. Looking back at it, I don't know if he's just trying to sort of dissect one. I thought it was on target at the time. I thought it was a bit harsh to take it off of him. I always think you should lean towards the attacker if you can, but it's gone down as an own goal, and it had to be that way, Cameron Burgess. I think it was Callum, actually. Shout out to Callum, friend of the show. It's similar to the Bristol City goal he scored on Porton Road.

36:20because that's what it was. It was Rob Dickey who turned that one in, wasn't it? Quite similar, that one, probably slightly closer to the box. Yeah, I was a little bit surprised probably that this one was given as a Burgess-owned goal and it's one of those where it's pretty unfortunate. We'll come on to one that maybe was something that Burgess could have done a little bit better with. Should we have a look at the third goal then, Ross? what was again kind of two questions in one here is it a case where they're going, they're hunting for the third it feels like a matter of time before they go and get it, is there that threat from Swansea and then once you've answered that talk us through the moments that we finally had, he's waited so long for it hasn't he we all wanted to see it and it's finally happened I think the Triple Sage triple substitution bloody hell Roscoe too much talking that I think changed the game a little bit I don't know if you agree Stu because I think it just needs a bit of freshen up and I think they all obviously all three of them made an impact especially you know Azan we've been waiting for so long but yeah yeah like Solonzy of course they're going to try to get back in the game like any team would because a lot of their fans were not happy.

37:50No, actually, there's a save. There's a massive save. There's a defining moment before we get to the third goal.

37:58Stuart Watson:You asked how between 2-1 and Ipswich getting the third, Christian Walton makes an absolutely world-class save. And talking about substitutions making a difference, Swansea made one. They brought on Jason Yom. And he made an instant impact. looked a lively player and he whips in an absolutely wicked dead piece delivery from the right. Cabango meets it with a firm header, six yards out. Net looks destined to ripple and it's an outstanding save from Walton. Springs to his right, fingertips, proper fingertips, proper inside of the post. Ball comes back across the face, could have gone anywhere. Ipswich scrambled clear.

38:41Stuart Watson:Defenders ruffling the goalkeeper's hair and giving him a big big shove and pat on the back. That's the best save I think we've seen since Alex Palmer on debut

38:54Stuart Watson:against Villa, was it? Yeah. Big, big moment in this game because the whole mood and momentum could have changed the other way had that gone in. It didn't. And then another moment that I'll name check before we get to the substitutions and Ipswich getting the third is a fantastic challenge from Jack Taylor. absolutely crunches. We've mentioned it. Swansea players were giving it out a little bit in this game. Jack Taylor dished a little bit back out as well. He flew into a tackle. It was one where the ball was there to be won. Win it, he did. For me, who loves the art of defending and big challenges, I thought he's every right to win it.

39:36Stuart Watson:The referee booked him, gave a foul. He was absolutely furious, sprung to his feet, shoved a Swansea man out the way, eyes bulging, sort of strode over towards the ref. I don't think he's out of control there. I think it was, you know, leading with one foot. I think he, you know, the ball was there. I don't think he endangered his opponent. I don't want to see those tackles outlawed. But a moment where Swansea were threatening to build some momentum, I actually thought that was quite a big, big moment in the game. And then off the back of that, Ross says, comes the triple substitution. and Cuyusta, Philogene and Azon on for Taylor, who probably needed to just chill his boots at that moment, McAteer and Hurst.

40:20Stuart Watson:And then a familiar tale, subs make a difference, Ipswich kill it off. Come on, Ross, talk through this one then. Can I talk about Christian Walton save? Because I can't believe I ignored that because it was a defining moment. I think I was just transfixed on, let's talk about it. I think it was my fault by going through on to Azon. I cannot lie. I knew it was in there somewhere. I'd seen the save a lot of times and actually kind of piece together where it was. When you're watching highlight clips and they don't actually show the minutes as well in the top, it becomes a little bit harder. So I knew it was in there somewhere.

40:54And yeah, kind of forgot about that one. Apologies to Christy Walton and everyone who went to hear us talk about it. Ross, go. Let's hear what you're going to say. Because once again, at a time with me, I watched the game a bit differently to you guys because I'm obviously taking pictures. And as I said, I was having issues on my internet. So I was trying to get pictures through. So I actually missed it in real time. because I was trying to get pictures for Stu. And it's just an incredible save just for him to somehow, it's point-blank range, isn't it? Right at him. And he tips it onto the post.

41:25And still had to be work to do, of course, as all matters, he had to clear it. But those moments in games, cliche, it does change the game. And yeah, it's massive. Because if that goes in, Stu, I don't know. I don't know how you feel. It's 2-2. Swansea will have their tails up. could they go on to win it?

41:42Stuart Watson:Yeah, you don't know, do you? You don't know how the game would have changed, but it certainly would have put some hope in the air. And I keep saying it, goals change games. It's amazing how a team can look completely out of it and then they get a goal from nowhere and you think, where's this team come from? Suddenly the whole momentum of things change and that may well have been the case. We keep looking at comparisons from the promotion season before, how many games were on a knife edge, could have gone one way, and Hague makes an amazing save at one end, and then Ipswich get a goal at the other.

42:18Stuart Watson:That happened several, several times in that promotion season. Yeah, there's a debate now, isn't there, around the goalkeeper. It's probably a good time for us to have it. I don't know how far off Alex Palmer is from coming back from a calf injury. I think that was just described as being several weeks when that happened. Does he walk straight back into the team or is it Christian Walton's shirt to lose? What do we think? I mean, I'm obviously taking this from perspective, not having watched the full game against Swansea, but everything that I've seen from Christian Walton so far has been really good.

42:59It should be said that when he came in, probably was a little bit kind of patchy, wasn't it? where that first game he came on, he probably should have done better. That was against Charlton. He could have done better for possibly all of the goals from memory.

43:13Stuart Watson:I'll give him a pass on that one. I think it's always difficult for a goalkeeper sort of stepping off the bench. And he's never done it in his career, was one of the things he mentioned. I know you've always got to be ready, and I totally agree. Deserves a full kind of pass on that one. But I think it's important as well to highlight kind of that it isn't easy for even on the day but like kind of growing into becoming a starting goalkeeper again getting into a mindset playing week in week out isn't an easy thing to do and that was the game where I think he got thrown in at the deep end there'll be some frustrations around the goal conceded against QPR where he probably should have held that shot from Burrell other than that I've been really impressed and okay again should be said probably hasn't had too many really top saves to make but when he has been called into action apart from thrown in at the deep end against Charlton and a bit of a frustrating one against QPR I think he's always delivered and the bit as well that stands out I think he's better playing out from the back than Alex Palmer there are still things that make me quite nervy when I see Alex Palmer doing it having played at West Brom who especially under Corberan and managers like that were very direct wanted to get the ball up long, wants to play quick in that sense.

44:31Walton seems to be a more comfortable one, kind of linking up with the players in front of him, under pressure, things like that. Yeah, Ross, what do you think? Where are you in the Walton-Palmer debate? Oh, we always have this, don't we? It's tricky. There's actually a big shout-out to the Coway Posse, a group shout-out we've got, all the sort of regulars in game day. there's a really good discussion in our group chat. Loads of people sharing their thoughts on the good things, the bad things that both goalkeepers have. For me, you stick with a goalkeeper who is just in form and doing well. So that at the moment is Christian Walton.

45:14I do feel sorry for Palmer a little bit, but I think I know there's some fans who've got frustrations with Palmer with some of his kicking and stuff like that. I'm sure there's stuff that people don't like about Walton. maybe he doesn't go down quick enough sometimes. But for me, just stick with a man that's doing the job. And like for any goalkeeper, that's the annoying bit because you've got to now wait. And I'm sure they don't think about it when they're on the bench, like, oh, I hope he has mistakes, I'm in. But, you know, sometimes it's just injuries that changes it. So for me, keep Christian Watt winning for now.

45:47Alex Palmer will just be waiting to knock on the door and we'll just wait and see. But, yeah, it's an interesting one.

45:54Stuart Watson:I don't think there's a lot between them at all. I would say that they're very similar standard goalkeepers, top end, solid championship goalkeepers, hopefully with some more growth to come. I don't think either of them are the top end of the kicking game, to be honest. I think there's some improvements can be made from both. But Walton, has he been perfect since he's come back into the team? No, I guess the Watford goal you could sort of put in there. Could he push that into a better area? Could he do better? Possibly. Off the back of that save, there was a little period of that spell where I talked about Swansea looking their most threatening.

46:34Stuart Watson:He made a series of really strong catches and punches, which I think is a big part of his game as well and something that you need from a goalkeeper in the Championship. Yeah, I think, yeah, his to lose. Look, it's happened against him a few times in his Ipswich career. got that injury on the eve of the championship season. Hlaki got in and stayed in and kept his shirt. And then it happened again in the Premier League last year, didn't it, where he stepped into the team for Mürich. Alex Palmer probably doesn't get signed unless Walton picks up that injury midway through the Premier League season.

47:09Stuart Watson:So he's due a bit of fortune, Christian Walton. And yeah, if Alex Palmer is suddenly fit to be selected for Wrexham in a fortnight's time. I don't see him walking straight back into the team, that's for sure. Ross, play that audio. Let's hear from Christian Walton. Yeah, really good performance, I think, right from the start. We came out with real intensity. Yeah, started the game like we always want to start games. Probably should have had another goal in that first half, but second half was obviously more difficult. They came out of the blocks and obviously got the goal. And at that point, it's obviously, teams can go under in that situation so the positive is that we didn't and we stuck at it and then obviously the goals came and yeah it was a really pleasing performance As well as the goals, one save in particular stood out we saw the celebration, what it meant to you, that was a good one wasn't it?

48:02Yeah it was, it was a bit of a blur to be honest, I've not seen it back yet but yeah really good save and delighted to make it Christian, that save, you touched on it there what do you remember of it? You said it was a blur you kind of tipped it onto the, do you remember hitting the post what happened immediately I was praying that no one taps it in behind me yes it was nice to see one of my own players there not their striker so yeah it was obviously a big moment absolutely and the timing of it as well equally as important at 2-1 it's a really key moment in the game yeah it is yeah I think that's what I've got to bring to the team because it's not going to be every week where I'm getting peppered with shots and be a busy goalie but I've got to stay concentrated and focused in those moments and yeah obviously today today, I've come up with a save at a crucial time.

48:48And you're always working hard to make sure that you're ready when you get that opportunity. You must be enjoying your running the side at the moment. Yeah, really good. Obviously, I've said it numerous occasions. I love this club. I love the fan base, everything about it. So when I can pull on the shirt, it's an amazing, amazing thing for me. And yeah, the more games I can play for it, the better, really. Alex isn't just going to walk back into this side when he's fit, is he? No, well, yeah, it's obviously tough. I've had it as goalie. As a goalie, it's only one position on the pitch, but I think as a group, we all work so hard and it's competitive and that's what you need as a goalie that's playing.

49:22So I like to think I did that when he was playing. So yeah, you've just got to keep it going. Can we not just start them both? Why not? Finally then, well, not finally in terms of the Swansea chat, but I've been so keen to get onto Azor and I think I've chewed it up about four different times and we can finally do it. um ross i've been trying to get you and your takes on this one so i'm going to come to you he's had so many chances he had two golden ones in midweek last midweek against watford he saw one save he had a pretty poor miss with the other he probably needed something that he couldn't miss to score to get him up and running i don't think that even as on was going to miss this one uh talk through the goal and how happy you are for as on because i think everyone's happy for as on you can't not be happy for even Asom, can you?

50:15Yeah, the Ivan the Great, we're calling him, the Spaniard, all smiles for him because you just saw even with the substitutions, they were celebrating the goal and obviously the Blue Army in Swansea were enjoying that. Still hard one to score though. I know he had his back post and no one really picked him up, but he still had to because he could have crashed right into the post and it could be a different story and he could have missed that. But yeah, great moment for him. I think we've always enjoyed having a Spanish forward with Pablo Canago, but Ole Ole Ole was sung when he scored. Hopefully that is the start of him getting a few more because you always like to see someone score their first town goal because you've just been waiting for that moment and made it 3-1.

51:03You just saw at the end he was part of the celebrations as well. Yeah, really good moment to do, wasn't it?

51:10Stuart Watson:It was indeed, yeah. Great to hear that. Ole, ole, ole, ole. Azon, Azon. Coming out from the away end. Echoes of Pablo Cunhago back in the past. I think there was always a sense that he could become a cult hero even Azon. A Spanish. There's always something a little bit exotic about getting a foreign signing haven't been too many of those over recent years he's got the hand wrap that gives him a slightly sort of different look he's he's hustling and bustling and he's got the shark nickname and um and he comes across so well doesn't he in his interviews I had the pleasure of speaking to him during the last international break and was able to kind of tell his story in a bit more depth about um you know how he's doing this industrial engineering degree and how he's got sort of interests outside of football, but ultimately just comes across.

52:03Stuart Watson:And Kieran McKenna's quote post-match as a really humble, fantastic human being. And that shines across. And the smile on his face was just so great to see, wasn't it? And as you say, the way you can always tell when someone's a popular goal scorer, the way everyone to a man celebrated around him. That was an important moment in the game. I think once that two-goal margin was there, 76 minutes on the clock. You knew it was game, set and match, I think, at that stage. But it wasn't over. It wasn't done there. There was a fourth goal. My girlfriend told me about this fourth goal, and she said, Cameron Burgess has scored an own goal.

52:44And I said, I know that. It happened about half an hour ago. She said, no, the radio just said he scored a second one. And I went, what? I was so sure that she had misheard something. on this. It felt a little bit, I don't want to say Hollywood script because that almost feels mean to Cameron Burgess, but it felt scripted in a way, didn't it? Former player, promotion hero from the back-to-back promotions. We talk about coming up against former players and this is, I think, the first time that Ipswich have done that this season. And the player they come up against sticks the ball in his own net twice to help Ipswich secure a 4-1 win the first one I thought was pretty unfortunate he tries to make the tackle he just ends up turning it past the post there's a good chance that if Davis goes and has that shot anyway that it goes in assuming it was a shot of course this one I mean it's a good finish if he was a striker Stu we'd all be lapping up how good that was turning into the net.

53:48He took it well, but unfortunately goes past his own goalkeeper. I do feel for him though.

53:55Stuart Watson:Yeah, I think he has to try and sort of intercept that one again. I think Nunez is the man sort of attacking a really good sweeping cross from Jenski Usta, one of the substitutes who come on and made a difference. The aforementioned Azon as well involved in the build-up, playing an incisive pass from deep. he has to try and cut it out. I guess it's one that can go anywhere. I wouldn't be being too sort of hypercritical of him for that one. I just think I'd peg them both as really unfortunate own goals, and it's just a quirk of fate that it had to be Cameron Burgess to be the man to do it. The initial reaction when it happened is of kind of amusement, incredulation.

54:42Stuart Watson:you can't believe that it's Cameron Burgess twice against his own club. You can find it amusing, but also have sort of real sympathy for Cameron Burgess as well. It's a shame really that it had to be him in front of the away end as well, who then obviously sort of chanted his name slightly ironically afterwards. I thought Cameron was slightly harsh on himself with his statement that he put out on social media. He's not a big one for social media, Cameron Burgess, but he talked about hearing the criticism of the Swansea fans and vowing to put things right. I think that's indicative of the mood around them as a club at the moment.

55:20Stuart Watson:But, yeah, we wondered whether he would have a part to play, whether it would be a big subplot in this game, but I don't think any of us predicted it being a two-own goal subplot. Ross, you've got to feel sorry for him, don't you? We've watched his rise, and I think there's almost quite a strong... When you look at the players that have left, Burgess, for me, I know I haven't covered his entire time at town, but there's such a strong emotional connection there, given that he signed from Accrington Stanley, was at a point where he looked really poor, didn't he? He wasn't performing well. It was, is there going to be a future for him?

55:53Transformed under Kieran McKenna, a Premier League player. He looked a Premier League player when he played at that level. He helped and played such a big part in town, getting from League One to that point. So there is that kind of connection there. He's not just a former player. He is someone who's delivered a lot for this club. And for him to have that moment, it just felt so unfortunate. Yeah, it did. And I think I remember saying in my game day intro about, you know, got a familiar face playing town. I went, I hope he doesn't do anything in the game. I hope he doesn't score like a late winner for Swansea.

56:28I wasn't expecting him scoring two own goals in a game. You know, he scored some iconic goals, you know, during his town career, the commentary game and the Bolton header and stuff as we mentioned but yeah two own goals the first one as we mentioned in a way you're going to give it to Leif Davis in a way you want to give it a tack as we mentioned the second one I think he's just doing a defender's thing trying his best but he was always going to go in but yeah I'm sure he somewhat chuckled to himself when he was hearing Cameron Burgess as a blue but yeah obviously he's going to back his current team but it's just so it's just i don't think this has ever happened where his first ever game back against his former club as well scoring two own goals i don't know if that's happened but uh yeah um i'm sure he'll want to go away from this as quick as possible um i'm sure actually going into this little break is not ideal for him because he's just scored two own goals but um yeah yeah it's incredible and it's just it's a story that you couldn't write before the game.

57:37You just didn't think it would happen, but it did happen.

57:40Stuart Watson:I'm going to say, Ross, I don't think there was much chuckling going on in Cameron Burgess's mind while that was all unfolding. You're right. I mean, in terms of rarities, not just for Ipswich, probably throughout the whole of football, I doubt there are any incidences or many incidences of someone scoring two own goals against their former club in the first meeting against them since then. There's probably somewhere that has happened, but, yeah, a very rare occurrence, I would suggest. Maybe a first. Possibly a first. There you go. There's one for us to go and do some digging into. Definitely not what I expected.

58:24And it seals a 4-1 win on the road, back-to-back. 4-1 wins on the road that sandwiched that 0-0 draw against Watford. It means it's a seven-point week for Ipswich. What did I say? 1-1. Oh, yeah, 1-1. It was 1-1. I feel like I've said 0-0 before on this. Oh, never mind. I'm losing my mind. Anyway, 1-1 draw against Watford. Sandwich with those. 4-1. There we go. Wins on the road, away at QPR, away at Swansea City. That does make it, and please correct my maths if I'm wrong, a seven-point week for Ipswich Town. I'm going to pass back on to Ross in a minute so we can kind of have a look at the season as a whole.

59:04But in terms of the thoughts from the game and kind of standout players, you had your player rating stint again with me being off. How was that? Because as you know, I have a love-hate relationship with player ratings. And what's the feeling now a couple of days removed from that trip to Swansea about the game?

59:24Stuart Watson:I think they're always easier to do after a win in a performance like that. You may be, you know, as opposed to the Charlton game where, you know, you're waiting for everyone to say anything higher than a two and you should immediately be sacked. So a slightly easier one to pick up the baton for. The biggest decision for me was picking man of the match because I thought there was a lot of good performances of a similar standard. and I went with five eights and then I think sevens across the board elsewhere. So the five eights off the top of my head were Daro Shea, who I thought was exceptional, has a hand in two of the goals.

1:00:13Stuart Watson:As I say, the tackle leading to Clark's opener, he had the header that was saved for Azan's goal, rock solid at the back. Jack Taylor who I mentioned I thought you know picked up where he left off crashing into tackles showed some really neat footwork at times Jack Clark goal scorer we've talked a bit about him quite in fair length who else did I have in there Leif Davis I think I had in there again involved in one of the goals up and down the left hand side and I'm going to have to find who else who else I put in there it would have been Oh, Christian Walton, of course, with the save and his general play.

1:00:54Stuart Watson:So you could probably make a case for several of those players in there to be man of the match. In the end, I just plumped for Jack Clark, but you could have made a case for some of those other ones. Is there anyone, Ross, that you would like to make a stronger case for in there? What do you reckon? Ooh.

1:01:17I think Jack Taylor. I think we've mentioned him before but I think he's just getting better and better every time he gets when he plays because he's had to wait I wouldn't say he was a forgotten man for a while but it was like Jens Jouste and Azor Matosir, that was the midfield duo but since Taylor's come in and he did well against West Brom did he and yeah, once again in this game as you mentioned the crunch tackle just that brings that energy, doesn't he? That bite, he just gets there and he's happy to go forward as well. So yeah, I think he definitely gets a shout because he came in from the cold, as you say, because he had to come in.

1:02:04So yeah, he gets a shout. And also Daro Shea because he was involved in two of the town goals really, wasn't he? For the tackle and pass to Jack Clark and then the header that led to Ivan a Zon's goal. So I think, yeah, Dara Shea's had some criticism, you know, in terms of his captaincy as well from talent fans from what I've seen. But I think in this game I thought he did pretty well. So it was a team performance. Once again, we've mentioned before, you know, a lot of people say this is a team of individuals, but I feel like they're sort of clicking now and, you know, they're playing as a team and, yeah, everyone had a moment in this one.

1:02:39I think Jack Taylor's one that I'd like to quickly touch on given that you mentioned he's come in from the cold. I mean, in Jack Taylor's case, He's come in from the Arctic Circle, given that he started the season obviously playing alongside Matasiwa with the departure of Morsi and a lot of midfield change drops out of that team because Jenski Jousta comes in. He's given a cameo off the bench against Derby, but at that point, he comes back from the international break. He's got Marcelino Nunez to compete with. So those are the three that Kieran McKenna is working with. So he's an unused substitute against Sheffield United, against Blackburn, against Portsmouth, against Bristol City and against Norwich.

1:03:14gets six minutes off the bench against Borough, 15 against Charlton. And then he was a real surprise inclusion, let's be honest here, against West Brom. None of us thought that Jack Taylor was going to come in and start that game. And the way that he's performed since then, I know that players have a point to prove and there's got to be a mentality thing in there. Of course there is that. And he'll know that he has to perform at an incredibly high level to keep that spot in the team. But there's got to be some more that's happened, I think, to Jack Taylor, whether it's physically, whether it's training.

1:03:47I don't know. But the performances are so impressive with what we're seeing from him. He's someone obviously I've been keen to back and I really want to see more of. And I'm delighted that he's taking that chance. But I can't say I sat here and expected it to happen. I could have easily seen it be a situation where he was given five, ten minutes off the bench every once in a while before a loan move in January. and he leaves on a permanent next summer. I think we all could have seen that scenario playing out. And right now, you've got to say, he's going to be one of the first names on the team sheet, which is not what we expected.

1:04:20It's probably not what Jenski used to expect. And totally fair play to him with the performances he's putting in.

1:04:26Stuart Watson:Doesn't this sort of quash the idea of... I mean, Luke Wolfenden used the term politics, didn't he, and why he left. And I guess that's alluding to shiny new signings with big price tags will always get the nod regardless of form. I know Jens hasn't cost loads of money, but that won't be a cheap loan deal to get him back from Napoli and others across Europe interested. It's a bold decision from Kieran McKenna to bring Jack Taylor in. He's maybe not the sexiest player in Ipswich Town fans' minds, not the literal sense, but in terms of playing style and coming into the side was a bold call. And he's kept his place in three of the last four games now.

1:05:09Stuart Watson:And Jens Kuyusta, who, for all of the flicks and tricks and the silky smooth stuff we know he's done, we were starting to go, come on, Jens, you've got to do some of the defensive grit as well. And Kieran McKenna has obviously seen that. and Jack Taylor has certainly produced it over the last few games so he can now be held up as a bit of a poster boy to the rest of the squad that no matter how far removed you feel from things at any one time things can change really quickly you've always got to be ready clearly Kieran McKenna's trusted him for a long time because that spell you mentioned about unused subs is probably the longest he's ever gone without being involved in games you know throughout the Championship promotion season.

1:05:49Stuart Watson:He came on in pretty much every game. He came on in most of the Premier League games as well, got several minutes there. I'll be honest, I've not really been able to work out what he is as a midfielder for a while, but we've had such a small sample size. We've only seen him on the pitch in various cameos. I wasn't convinced he was a kind of a box-to-box midfielder. I thought he looked more like a 10, someone whose real strength was scoring these goals from outside the box and being a more attacking player. But I can see it now. He's playing that sort of Massimo Luongo role, a proper box-to-boxer that can cover some left-sided gaps, that can hit tackles, that can pop up on the edge of the box and shoot as well.

1:06:33Stuart Watson:Yeah, I think you said, Alex, he looks like he's very much been eating his Weetabix recently and that's an apt description, I would say. I'm so impressed with him. Before I hand back to Ross then, any further business from either of you. In terms of this game, anyone else you want to mention? Anything else from the game or the experience of going to Swansea again? Not as rainy as last time, at least. Ross, do you have anything to add? Yeah, I didn't get wet this time around, so I'm happy. Thankfully, last time we were there, we did get another memorable win because we won 2-1, didn't we, this time around, 4-1, which is very good for the goal difference as well.

1:07:11You can't underestimate that sometimes. getting the goals and stuff like that. Because we're now one of the top goal scorers, aren't we? Like second or third top goal scorer in a division. I assume so. Yeah. Let's have a look. 26 goals. Joint seconds.

1:07:27Stuart Watson:Only Coventry have scored more goals now. Joint second with Hull. Yeah. What a weird league. It's just bizarre, isn't it? Seventh in the division. You look at all the teams above Ipswich and I think maybe you would have expected one or two to be in that kind of promotion mix. It's a weird old league, isn't it? Yeah, very weird. But I don't think there's anything else really, Stu. I would, going back to player ratings, I said it was sevens across the board elsewhere. I really toyed Casey McAteer's rating was the one that I struggled with the most here. I thought about giving him a six at one stage, and then I felt that that was maybe a bit mean, and I bumped him up to seven.

1:08:11Stuart Watson:I didn't want him to stand out from the rest. there is clearly some improvements required from Casey McIntyre in terms of final delivery, but I thought this was a real step forwards for him after an underwhelming start for life at Ipswich, and he's spoken about that, how he's gone away from his boyhood club and it takes time to adapt and he's competing with really good players, arrived relatively late in the window as well. All those things, I think, have to be taken into account. But he got himself, I think we're starting to see, you know, first half of the Charlton game, I thought he looked lively before that all unravelled.

1:08:53Stuart Watson:But we're starting to see a bit more of what he's about now in terms of he's got physical attributes. That's clear to see in terms of he's big. And I think he's, I wouldn't say he's the fastest player, but he's relatively quick. But I think he's clever. I think he takes up good positions and he certainly got into multiple positions in this game. I think that that final ball will hopefully come with time. That's, again, why Kieran McKenna will argue that you have to keep these players involved. And hopefully there's more to come. And we've been talking a lot about Cameron Burgess on this podcast.

1:09:29Stuart Watson:He is a prime example of never writing off a player. I have never seen a transformation like I have with Cameron Burgess. There was a time where, I've said this, I thought he looked like a bit of a cart horse, to be honest. In League One, you go back to the Barrow game, but certainly before that, there was a poor red card in a game. His passing looked well off. If you got him high on the turn on the pitch, he looked bang in trouble. And he goes on to become the player that he was for Ipswich that we don't need to discuss. So let's give Casey McIntyre a little bit more breathing room to hopefully improve.

1:10:10Stuart Watson:I mean, if he can improve half the rate that Cameron Burgess has done, that would be great. Ipswich, I know it feels like a big transfer fee on him at the moment, and that's probably added a bit of pressure. But yeah, I'm certainly nowhere near writing him off at the moment, and I am seeing some little bits of improvement, and hopefully that can continue. Ross, I'm going to hand back to you I think we've covered everything possible on Swansea, I didn't realise it would take us about an hour to get through it but I guess that having secured back-to-back 4-1 away wins we deserve to give it the proper rundown and the proper kind of reflection, didn't we?

1:10:54I'm glad we were able to do that, I'm glad I was able to ask some questions, get a proper insight into what I wasn't there for on Saturday. Ross, I hand the hosting baton back to you, my friend. I also want to give a shout-out to the guys who work at Swansea. Really lovely people as well in the media room. One guy, didn't get his name unfortunately, but he was so lovely. He gave us some toffees didn't he, Stuart, when we left the ground. How was the scram? It was alright. Chicken curry. Set me up for the game. It was nice. So, some Welsh cakes, as I mentioned, at our time. So, yeah. Boys, what do you want to do then?

1:11:36Because we're getting to an hour and 11 minutes. We could potentially, we've got some talking points. We've got a clip here from Kieran Kenner on his assessment so far. We're going to hear from him and then we'll talk about any other talking points as we get to this

1:11:50Stuart Watson:third international break. Play the clip and then I think we should just have some brief thoughts on how we're feeling going into this third international break of the season. And I'm sure we'll reconvene at some point between now and Wrexham at home to maybe delve into stuff a bit deeper. Nice one. All right, then. Let's hear from Kieran McKenna once again. Up to seven. Game in hand to come into the third international break now. What's your overall assessment? I think, you know, we end up giving assessments all the time. I think it's such an early days. is such an early new group. I said I think the first four games were different, were difficult with the group and getting players in.

1:12:35Lots of players arriving late, players leaving right up until the end. Lots of situations unresolved. I think since the first international break and the groups come together, I think the attitude, the commitment from everyone has been excellent behind the scenes. I think performances have been steadily improving. Of course, there's bumps in the road. we had a big bump in the road in this block with two losses in quick succession but I think there's been pretty steady improvement from individuals and from the relationships in the team and from the team as a whole and we've rid out one bump and there's going to be more to come so we just need to keep on that path keep trying to improve every aspect of our game be ready to ride out the bumps in the road whenever they come and if we do that then we'll see where we are at the end of the year indeed it's always that annoying moment where got into national break, that momentum sort of stopped, I don't know if it's like you, we had the Norwich game anyone wants on the high, yeah derby day win but then it was like an opportunity for players to sort of rest, recover and all that I don't know if it's this time around Stu, how are you feeling, is this the wrong time for town to go into national break but it's, I don't know, it's always that question you ask even managers like, oh it's never a good time but then also it's a good time for players to recover if there's any injuries and stuff like that.

1:13:55Yeah,

1:13:57Stuart Watson:I'd certainly like it to be continuing and momentum to keep going. I'm glad they're changing it next year and doing it in sort of one block. It's just because there's just been no momentum in this season at all, has there? It's all that late transfer business. I think there was four games before the window shut and so much up in the air up until then. So that was a sort of natural break. Then we've had, you know, a few games, international break, a few more games, international break. Obviously, as this Ipswich squad's progressed, you get more international players as well. So on one hand, you think, well, Kieran gets a chance to really get his teeth into things on the training pitch, but that's with a small proportion of the squad as well.

1:14:45Stuart Watson:So I think he'll be pleased to get out the other side of that and to really get into the proper winter period, which is really where the men get separated from the boys, doesn't it? It's the real test of squad depth and fitness and all the things that Ipswich will feel that they've built meticulously and quietly behind the scenes is the bit that sort of carries them through. If you look back at the last few seasons, winter's where we've had the jittery periods, isn't it, really? You know, probably the last three seasons. I remember sort of League One, there was a few drop points over Christmas, some injuries, some question marks, and then the January window came and supercharged it.

1:15:27Championship season, that dire 0-0 draw against QPR over Christmas.

1:15:33Stuart Watson:Hurst getting the hamstring injury on Boxing Day, and everyone's sort of feeling a bit wobbly around then. Premier League, everything started to tail off from winter period onwards after a fast start. I'm hoping that this is the year where things change and they've had a few more bumps in the road early. And now winter is the period where momentum can start to gather. It certainly feels like that could happen. Let's find out. Yes, indeed. AJ, how are you feeling there, my friend? going to this third international break. Yeah, two points off the playoff, six points adrift of the top two. But this team, they've claimed 20 points from 10 games.

1:16:23They've got automatic promotion form as well. So, you know, this team hasn't fully clicked yet. So it should be exciting. There's some players who, you know, I feel have still got a lot, you know, things to work on. We've still got to wait for Sindra to really get to that ball-like potential. So how are you feeling about this team? Good, because they suffered two big setbacks at the start of this last block, and the response has been exactly what I think we wanted from them. West Brom, they did exactly what they needed to do. I know it was a pretty boring watch in my eyes, but that didn't matter.

1:16:59You just come off the back of a 3-0 win, come back, get a clean sheet, win the game, job done. Exactly what they did. they go and get that monkey off the back with the 4-1 win at QPR, job done. Yes, frustration against Watford can see the crap goal, score a good one, should have won it because they have the chances to go and do it. You can kind of say these things happen, and we saw that plenty of times in the last promotion season, the championship, where they ended up getting, what was it, 90-plus points, so fine. And then coming into it off the back of this game that we've just spent the last hour discussing as well, exactly what you need to go into an international break.

1:17:33When you look at the table, it is important to look at the table, I think, as well. They're in such a good position. They're two points off the top six. They've got that game in hand where they go to Blackburn. Let's say they win that hypothetically and everything stays the same as to where everyone else is. Won't happen, but we'll go with hypotheticals here. They'd be up in fourth. They're in a good place at the moment and even take away that game in hand. I think that we could be quite confident that they can have a charge going into that Christmas period. I'm sure we'll dissect and discuss all of it coming up, but they're in a good spot and they'll have eyes.

1:18:13And I know Kieran McKenna won't be looking at the table, as he says, but they'll have eyes on what's above them and say, you know what? At worst, I think we can give ourselves a good shot at getting into that top two, because although Coventry are playing very well and getting a lot of good points, there's stuff to aim at ahead of us and it's achievable these aren't world beaters that they've got to go up and try and overtake so looking at all of that I'm pretty happy with where we are at the moment Yes dude, should we quickly look at the table as a whole because yeah it's a very weird league as AJ mentioned with Hull, they're like the joint second top goal scorers alongside us, like last year they struggled, I think I actually saw a tweet from a Hull fan saying they hadn't scored this amount of goal.

1:19:02Basically, I can't bloody speak, ladies and gentlemen. Why can't I speak? This stage of last season, they've scored as much as they have now. So it just improves sometimes how teams can change. But you've got Stoke, Preston in the top six. Like Muldersbach, of course. Rob Edwards is potentially gone. So that's a promotion rival to losing a manager. yeah Chilton are doing okay for our newly promoted team in ninth but yeah who's been surprising you and how are you looking at the table shaping up

1:19:36Stuart Watson:it's certainly not what anyone would have predicted I think if you'd have said this is what the table was going to look like never ceases to amaze the championship how competitive it is anyone could beat anyone the old cliche this year feels more relevant than ever But interesting that the three that have come down have had slow starts. Ipswich seem to be getting themselves in order quicker than Leicester and Southampton. At the moment, I still wouldn't rule out those two sort of getting themselves going at some point. These teams above Ipswich at the moment are going to then feel the pressure of, as Ipswich felt, you know, Mark Ashton talked about, we heard it.

1:20:21Stuart Watson:We went round the various boardrooms and we heard the noise. Ipswich will drop off. which won't be able to keep it going. And there will be that same feeling around the top six of Coventry, Middlesbrough, Stoke, Preston, Hull, Millwall. That's the top six at this moment in time. I'd be surprised if all of them can last the pace. Yeah, the Coventry teams will probably start to set up differently against them with the goals that they've scored and start showing some more respect. Have they got the answers and the solutions to that? We'll see the Rob Edwards change at Middlesbrough. How much of an effect will that have?

1:20:58Stuart Watson:It's hard to say, really, because we haven't seen a lot of these teams up close and personal yet. It's only Middlesbrough, and they were good, don't get me wrong, but Ipswich had their chances in that game, and that could have gone another way. They didn't completely blow me away as opponents. Haven't seen Stoke. Preston was kind of early in the season, while Ipswich were still kind of being built, and that game was what it was. got an early penalty and parked the bus and did it very well. I wasn't there, but Alex, did they look like, you wouldn't necessarily say they looked like super promotion contenders off the back of that performance?

1:21:34They were solid. They were solid and it was helped by Ipswich being a bit blunt and disjointed in attack more than anything.

1:21:41Stuart Watson:Yeah. And then, yeah, haven't seen Hull yet, haven't seen Millwall yet. So, yeah, the table is still taking shape, but it looks tighter than ever. and I don't think you're going to see three, four teams posting big, big points totals this year. Yeah, as you say, automatic promotion form since the window's shut, two points a game and a feeling that there is still plenty more to come from this squad. So I think we can all be relatively hopeful about the direction of travel at the moment. Definitely and in a much better position than Norwich, of course, who are finally sacked. Liam Manning, which, yeah.

1:22:25We've been there, though, before, haven't we, Stu? We've been there. We've seen teams, well, which was last time, when they were with Mick McCarthy and then the ownership and everything. So we've been there. But, yeah. Yeah, was it eight? Was it eight or seven?

1:22:43Stuart Watson:Seven straight home league defeats. I think eight home defeats in all competitions. they were desperate to try and ride that out with Liam Manning the hierarchy having really sort of backed him but they obviously felt that enough was enough and you've seen on-pitch arguments between players some half-hearted protests, people surrounding players' cars and shouting things up at board members through windows and stuff all is not well over the border at the moment. We didn't take, I was saying, shouldn't really take much schadenfreude from Burgess's two own goals, but it's hard not to have that feeling when it comes to Norwich's struggles at the moment, given how much the Canaries had chirped over Ipswich, which is a difficult period.

1:23:39Stuart Watson:But there we go. Yeah, they're definitely in trouble because they do not look good. But anyway, this is an Interestown podcast and we're looking good because Town have made it. They're four games unbeaten going into this international break, which is very nice indeed. All right then, boys. Well, we'll end it here, this mammoth podcast. But the final bit of business is we've got to plug KOA Live 3 and we're hoping, praying, that we see a win on KOA Live 3 night because, of course, it will be the 20th of December, Saturday, against Sheffield Wednesday after that game. Surely, surely they've got a win against them.

1:24:18Because last time, last two times we've done a K-O-A-Live show, they've lost. So hopefully we change that for this game. But Stu, let people know why they should come to K-O-A-Live for you if they haven't already. If you have, it's great to see you again. But if you haven't, Stu, why should the K-O-A-Live buy tickets?

1:24:36Stuart Watson:We had great fun doing this the last couple of times. Certainly last time, which was an upgrading venue at the Baths. Not, you know, a short walk from the ground. So yeah, if you can hang about afterwards, the bar will be open. Alex and I get our stuff done at the ground. We hot foot it over. We aim to start around seven-ish. Yeah, good choice of beers there. It's really just a chance for kind of like-minded Ipswich fans, you, the KOA community, to get together, to maybe put some faces to names that you've spoken to on social media or group chats and things like that. it will be this podcast in live format.

1:25:18Stuart Watson:Bit of analysis, bit more fun as well. We'll do some interactive stuff with the audience. Great fun last time. And as you say, hopefully off the back of a feel-good factor of Christmas just a few days away. And fingers crossed this time, finally a good result. 6-0 against Sheffield Wednesday last time around. Hopefully that proves to be a good omen. Indeed. I hope that is the case. and a good opportunity to kickstart your Christmas because after that is, yeah, Christmas Day will be not long away. But yeah, AJ, do you want to quickly say anything else as we wrap up this KOA podcast? Yeah, she's already said it, but the bar will be open late.

1:25:56So yeah, that's the main thing. No, in terms of why to come, I know that there'll be a lot of you guys who already know each other, that you have friends through KOA and Ross's chat and all of these different things. But there's going to be plenty of you listening that aren't in that kind of group and listen to the podcast because you like the work that we do and because you like what we write and what we post on social media, all that nonsense that we come up with, all of those things. And even if you don't know people, even if you don't know us, coming and having a good time and talking in Ipswich Town, asking us questions, sticking around, having a drink, I promise you, you will love it.

1:26:33You will enjoy it. We had lots of people who did that last time who we didn't maybe know, we hadn't seen before, and they came and they had a really good time. They got to make some new friends. They got to have a chat with us. We want to meet you guys. We want to get to know all the people who come and watch us live. We promise it'll be a really good time. Lots of interaction. Whether you've been to the previous two, whether you've not been to any, you're going to have a good time. So, yeah, ticket links on all of our socials, online, wherever you can find them. Yeah, you'll be fine. Is that right, Ross?

1:27:0910-0 ticket in that area is like an admin fee It's like a pound

1:27:14Stuart Watson:I'm going to pin that to the top of my Twitter feed now, we'll have it at the top end of the websites as well, hopefully it won't be too hard for you to find but yeah, as promised Mr Heath, a big plug for KOA 3 get your tickets folks, come on Yeah, bring it on, looking forward to it, December 20th at the Barstinich, which get your tickets now because they are going to sell fast definitely after this massive plug ladies gentlemen but thank you for listening as standard also shout out to our sponsors Stardust Spirits use a code K-A-W-A to get 20 % off and I think they've got some new Christmas spirits coming out as well ready for the festive period and also Molek U-La another great sponsor local to Suffolk all your car cleaning business obviously I can't use that at the moment but hopefully in the new year I will be able to but to do and AJ can use that as well but yeah KOA to get 10 % off I think it's KOA 10 and check out their website all their links in the description to this just like the KOA live free tickets follow us on all our socials are standard as well on Kings of Anglia hope you enjoy your week no football for Richardstown but you know enjoy the week get ready yet boo boo boo boo but enjoy your week and we'll speak to you next time bye for now

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