In short
Ipswich Town’s Carabao Cup exit to Arsenal (4-2 after being 2-0 down early), debate over heavy squad rotation, what went wrong in the opening minutes, positives from Ipswich’s response and goal-scoring trend, and preview of Ipswich’s next match at Everton.
Guests
Stuart Watson (Ipswich-focused football analyst/pundit; discusses Ipswich’s season, squad management, and match tactics). Roscoe (host; runs “Kings of Anglia” podcast; provides match commentary and “five talking points”).
Key claims
- Rotation is justified by match sharpness and integrating late/returning signings, but Ipswich’s 10 changes still risk losing cohesion.
- Ipswich’s main issue was conceding early due to small errors punished by elite quality.
- Despite the loss, Ipswich look like a team with goals (12 goals in six games across competitions; eight different scorers).
- Arsenal’s depth and early clinical finishing made the tie feel one-sided.
Notable examples
- Goals: Max Dalman (16) after a loose pass; Bruno Guimarães’ interception leading to a quick second; later Arsenal quality including a Mourinho finish.
- Ipswich positives: Zian Fleming’s physical “number nine” display; late goals trend (Fleming, Jack Clark, Tuba/others).
- Everton preview: Everton solid under David Moyes; unbeaten start; limited striker options after Beto’s exit; Ipswich aim to exploit crowd/edge at Goodison Park.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOAnalyzing Ipswich's Cup Exit
0:00 to 0:13
Discussion on Ipswich's performance in the Carabao Cup against Arsenal.
Analyzing Ipswich's Cup Exit
0:45 to 1:40
Discussion on Ipswich's performance in the Carabao Cup against Arsenal.
“Yes, lots of changes last night, but for a second string, that's a hell of a team they were still able to put out.”
Reflecting on Past Cup Exits
1:40 to 3:00
Hosts reflect on previous disappointing cup exits and current expectations.
“that we hark back at the old days of getting knocked out, you know, from League 2 teams, non-league teams, of course, Lincoln and co and Arsenal.”
Debate on Cup Importance
3:00 to 4:40
Exploration of the significance of cup competitions versus league priorities.
“Unfortunately, it sort of outweighs the chance of, you know, having a little cup run.”
Rotation Strategy Discussion
4:40 to 6:40
Analysis of the rotation strategy used by Ipswich and its implications.
“A lot of people were not happy about it.”
Evaluating Player Selection
6:40 to 9:40
Discussion on the specific players selected and their performances during the match.
“get him up to speed tactically with what they're trying to do.”
Impact of Early Cup Exits
9:40 to 11:40
Discussion on how early cup exits affect team morale and future preparations.
“and I would have Darrell alongside maybe Cedric Kipre or Jacob Greaves, you know, whoever he fancies.”
Reflections on Cup Philosophy
11:40 to 14:00
Hosts share their thoughts on the philosophy of treating cup competitions.
“If it was, like you say, if you dial it down from 10 changes to maybe six, who would be the three or four that you would have liked to have seen stay in that team, do you think?”
Reflections on Cup Runs
14:01 to 15:20
Discussion on the significance of cup runs and their impact on team morale.
“Yeah, it's a shame we got them in the second round, or no, the third round.”
Analyzing the Arsenal Match Start
15:21 to 17:24
Examination of Ipswich's poor start against Arsenal and the implications.
“And unfortunately, Stu, it was another poor start at Portman Road for town because they were 2-0 down in the opening five minutes.”
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Learning from Mistakes
17:25 to 19:22
Discussion on the errors that led to early goals and learning opportunities.
“looking at the kind of the two teams on the pitch without being sort of two defeaters.”
Goal-Scoring Trends in the Team
19:23 to 22:58
Insights into Ipswich's offensive capabilities and scoring trends.
“at the back end of the first half, they came into it and had some nice attacking moves.”
Player Performances and New Signings
22:59 to 25:59
Analysis of player performances, especially Zian Fleming and new signings.
“from these first six games in all competition, that this is a team that's got goals in it and is going to go for it I'm not going to die wondering.”
Striker Options for Premier League
28:00 to 28:30
Discussion on the striker options available for the newly promoted team.
“in terms of strikers, why they don't do it in January, left it late to get Fleming.”
Gary O'Neill's Post-Match Thoughts
28:30 to 29:30
Gary O'Neill shares his analysis of the defeat against Arsenal and team performance.
“Well, let's hear, Stu, from Gary O 'Neill.”
Fan Experience and Social Media Reactions
29:30 to 31:00
Discussion on fan behavior during matches and the impact on team dynamics.
“I thought they had a right go, stuck at it.”
Player Positioning and Tactical Analysis
31:00 to 32:20
Evaluating Abdul Wattara's positioning and tactical fit within the team.
“in the stadium as well, which is not good.”
Mix Zone Insights and Player Interactions
32:20 to 33:50
Insights from the mix zone experience, interactions with Arsenal players.
“But still uncertain as to where Abdul Wattara fits in or if he's just going to be this kind of jack-of-all-trades who feels where he needs to.”
Challenges for Gary O'Neill and Squad Management
33:50 to 36:40
Discussion on the challenges of managing player minutes and squad depth.
“at a slightly awkward height away from me and you had Eze and others kind of strolling to and fro and all different languages being spoken left, right and centre.”
Looking Ahead: Everton Match Preview
36:40 to 42:00
Previewing the upcoming match against Everton and team strategies.
“We've got this international break, quite a few players going away on that and then you get into sort of a busier schedule over winter.”
Analyzing Ipswich's Upcoming Challenge Against Everton
42:00 to 45:40
Discussion on Ipswich's performance and expectations for their match against Everton.
“And the start they've made unbeaten kind of backs that up so far.”
Player Performances and Team Dynamics
45:40 to 49:14
Insights on player performances and potential lineup changes for the next game.
“I think it will revert to that Palace team.”
Looking Ahead: International Break and Future Games
49:14 to 52:25
Reflections on the international break and its implications for the team.
“At the moment, I think there's, you know, everybody's glass.”
Looking Ahead: International Break and Future Games
52:33 to 52:50
Reflections on the international break and its implications for the team.
Looking Ahead: International Break and Future Games
53:15 to 54:55
Reflections on the international break and its implications for the team.
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Transcript
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0:25Ross Halls:Hello everybody, it's me Roscoe and welcome to our latest Kings of Anglia flagship podcast sponsored by Molecular UK. I'm joined by good old Stuart Watson as we break down town's Carabao Cup exit to Arsenal, Premier League champions and all that. Stu, how are you my friend?
0:45Stuart Watson:Yeah, very well, thank you. And all that jazz, you just stopped short of the catchphrase there, but you're very correct in saying Arsenal, Champions of England, went deep in three other cup competitions last year, the final of the Carabao Cup, the final of the Champions League. Yes, lots of changes last night, but for a second string, that's a hell of a team they were still able to put out. So, yeah, to lose by two goals is far from a disgrace. And we'll have a little bit of a chat about it now.
1:21Ross Halls:Yeah, mate. I will admit when it went 2-0, I was a bit worried this could be a cricket score or stuff like that. But it was a good response. And, yeah, we are going to bring you my typical Roscoe five talking points. But I just want to get your opening thoughts, too, because, you know, cup competitions, years gone by. and I know a lot of people, they get a bit annoyed maybe these days that we hark back at the old days of getting knocked out, you know, from League 2 teams, non-league teams, of course, Lincoln and co and Arsenal. We always sort of prayed for like, yes, come on, get in Arsenal or someone at home.
1:52Ross Halls:We never got it and now it's sort of a regular occurrence. But yeah, just your opening thoughts on that, my friend.
1:59Stuart Watson:Yeah, I think that's important. We keep talking about remembering where Ipswich have come from. League Cup in recent years, or in the 15 years I've been covering Ipswich, there's been some pretty pathetic, embarrassing exits along the way. You only have to look at, even in more recent times, in the Kieran McKenna era, Ipswich have fallen at the first hurdle to Wimbledon and Bromley on penalties, Colchester and Newport both at home in the early rounds. So losing to the Arsenal team, which we'll go through in a minute, is certainly more palatable, albeit always disappointing to lose a game of football, of course.
2:42Stuart Watson:And then there's always a debate, isn't there? Every year or twice a year when it comes around to League Cup and FA Cup, the big debate about the number of changes in the Cup. This isn't a new phenomenon. on this has been happening now for well over a decade or more in football it's just the way it is like it or not league is priority a b c d as far down the alphabet as you would like to go just because of the financial stakes and that's not just in the premier league that is seeped its way all the way down through the pyramid league placings in the premier league are worth millions of pounds place on place, qualifying for Europe, staying in the league, getting into the Premier League, getting into the playoffs.
3:30Stuart Watson:Unfortunately, it sort of outweighs the chance of, you know, having a little cup run. Because let's be honest, even Ipswich, where they're at now, as a, we're hoping a competitive Premier League club, you're not going to win the Carabao Cup. I know Newcastle won it a couple of years ago. But in general, it's won by that same group of four or five big boys, isn't it, every year. So I'm okay with it. I know some people will probably bulk at kind of just trucking this one off and moving on, but I'm okay with the selection, and I'm not too bothered about going out. I don't know. I know not everyone will be on board with that sentiment, but that's where I'm at with it.
4:14Ross Halls:I'm pretty much the same, really. Of course, you don't want to lose a game. You never want to see your team lose. But in the matter of the game and just everything, it is what it is, which I know a lot of people will be screaming at me right now. No, Ross, but the priority is the Premier League, a safety. And that's one of our talking points later on in the show. But I want to get straight into the sort of rotation, Stu, because that is one of the big talking points all the time. A lot of people were not happy about it. Some people understand it. Where are you at with it? Because, as you already mentioned, it is a norm in the early rounds, definitely in the Carabao Cup.
4:50Ross Halls:It's loads of, you know, replacements, loads of changes. Like Arsenal's changes, you think, oh, it's just their kids playing. No, it wasn't their kids. There was players who played in the Champions League final, played for England in the World Cup and other players like that. So, yeah, it's a different ball game when it comes to these sort of teams.
5:08Stuart Watson:I mean, they did have two actual children playing in their team. One of them scored two goals, Max Dalman, 16 years of age, Marley Salmon, not long, turned 17. But the rest of them, you're right, are bona fide international players, you know, superstar names.
5:30Stuart Watson:So their changes are very different to what Ipswich changes are. But I haven't gone through all of the ties, the 16 ties, some still to be played, but I would hazard a guess that the average number of changes is probably eight or nine. So it was 10 for Ipswich. It was nine for Arsenal last night. And the reasons managers do it is twofold, really. The one that sort of I think people bristle at is resting players when they sort of say, well, when years gone by, when squads were much smaller, players churned out, 60 plus games and it wasn't a problem um and the other reason is to is to i think the bigger reason is to keep people match ready match sharp um to keep us happy as well bigger squads and so it was important to use that game last night to get some minutes into the legs of people like zian fleming who's only arrived late in the transfer window and they're trying to sort of get him up to speed tactically with what they're trying to do.
6:43Stuart Watson:Florentino Luis, who had a bit of an injury hit pre-season after signing. Jadon Fillaging, likewise, a bit of an injury hit pre-season. So if you don't use that game last night to do it, when do you do it, is the question. So pros and cons, as always, going through would have kept a bit of sort of feel good factor going and it would have been a real boost of confidence off the back of a win at Palace and a solid start to life in the Premier League. An Arsenal scout would have, you know, you could argue that that can sort of have a snowball effect. and then who knows you're into the last 16 and you look at it you might draw Bradford, Peterborough, Fleetwood, Sheffield United looking at some of the teams are still in the hat chances are you probably get at this stage one of another Arsenal type team and eventually you're going to lose.
7:45Stuart Watson:The positive spin of course is that there's more prep time for a very important game away to Hull. That is when the next round of the Carabao Cup is. It would be after the Friday night home game against Forest and before the Saturday away trip to Hull. So even though in the next round it would have been all change, what it does do is it robs the manager of some time on the training pitch with his players, building up to quite an important game, doesn't it so um it is what it is to use the uh the cliche Ross it's a struggle to uh to get away
8:20Ross Halls:from it um I just think 10 is a bit just sometimes a bit too much um I know once again you know a lot of teams now have got such big squads you gotta keep everyone happy but I just think 10 like I think you could have been like Dara Shea could have even started um I mean go go through
8:38Stuart Watson:the team, you can almost have a debate around it. Goalkeeper. Kel Sherpens had a mixed start to the season. Christian Walton was Player's Player of the Year in a promotion season. You had to give him a chance to see if he could put a bit of pressure on. I don't think anyone's going to argue around the change of goalkeeper last night. Darnell Furlong, mainstay, reliable mainstay in a promotion team. Sounds like there's spoke to Darnell post-match last night and he didn't hide away from the fact that he's found it really tough to lose his place in the team to Doro Shea, who's kind of changed positions.
9:15Stuart Watson:So there's probably been some delicate conversations with people like Darnell Furlong in recent days and weeks. So no problem with him coming into the team and they gave him the captain's armband as well. You could keep Doro Shea in there, like you say, and a bit of debate about whether centre-back's his best position. Was it a chance for O 'Neill to maybe look at him at centre-half.
9:38Ross Halls:That's what I would have done. I'll start Darnell at right-back and I would have Darrell alongside maybe Cedric Kipre or Jacob Greaves, you know, whoever he fancies.
9:46Stuart Watson:So there's one debate there for keeping Darrell in the team for a bit more sort of continuity. Is anyone arguing that Leif Davis with the physical output that he's put into the start of this season probably one proper left-back on the books at the moment? Leif looks so good at Palace. You could say, well, look, ride the hot hand, keep him playing. And he came on last night and he got an assist. But imagine if he started and got injured last night.
10:17Ross Halls:That's another thing, isn't it? Now we're talking about, you know, you'll be complaining if we've got injuries. You know, two or three, I've not almost started. I get injured, like, oh, I should have started him then. Stupid cup competition. We lost it anyway and they started.
10:29Stuart Watson:But it's hindsight. And the man who did play at left back was Abdul Wattara, who, you know, only his second appearance in English football. and Ipswich need to give him some exposure along the way. So that's the defence. I've mentioned Luis needs minutes after it was a calf injury for him in pre-season. I think everyone quite liked his little cameo at Crystal Palace when he came on at the weekend. So it made sense absolutely to start him in this game. Nunez, so good against Sunderland, opening weekend, gets the two goals against Leicester in the previous round. Is anyone complaining too much about that one?
11:07Stuart Watson:I don't think so. You could say go with Palacios or Lukic, but I can see the reasoning behind going with the two that I've just mentioned. And then we get on to the top end of the pitch. What was it? McAteer, Mameti, Filagene on the left, who again needs minutes in the same bracket as Luis, as I say, and Fleming, who I've mentioned as well, off the back of scoring a last-minute winner at Selhurst Park. So who are the ones that you're going to quibble over? Who from your strongest inverted commas team would you have liked to have seen? If it was, like you say, if you dial it down from 10 changes to maybe six, who would be the three or four that you would have liked to have seen stay in that team, do you think?
11:57Ross Halls:Obviously, Dara, as I mentioned. Maybe in CISO, but then you've got Mehmeti and Sindra there sort of needing minutes. Jack Clark, he had a very good cameo when he came off the bench in this one. But then, as you say, you want Fidigine to get minutes. It's actually very difficult when you actually really figure it through. When you first see the team, you're like, oh, God, 10 changes. But then when you really think it through, you're like, actually, that works well there. He needs minutes. He needs minutes there. I think Fleming, that was always going to be – he's going to start. Emerson was never going to play this game.
12:28Ross Halls:And obviously, he's got Tubert, Pom, sort of ready to feature at some stage. Casey McIntyre on the right, you know, Fatta Wu, he's had a few little niggles, hasn't he, as well. You're right.
12:43Stuart Watson:I mean, you could, through the core of your team, maybe, because what you're not doing last night is the trade-off of giving minutes to fringe players is you're not really building any kind of relationships or chemistry. In the early stages of a new-look team, and you want to give players minutes on the pitch together in certain areas of the team, don't you? So could you have put in CISO in the 10? Are you being a little bit, in all brutal honesty, is Anis Mometi going to get a ton of Premier League minutes this season given the way the squad has been built? I don't think so. So I think you're doing that really as a bit of a goodwill gesture to him after he's ended up staying.
13:26Stuart Watson:Is that the right thing to do? I don't know hindsight is a wonderful thing had in CISO or Palacios or others like that played and ended up with a knock or a niggle or something like that that can end up thrown back at you so everyone makes changes Arsenal's changes are very different to Ipswich changes, it's just unfortunate that they ran into the best team in England one of the best teams in the world at the moment with the crazy strength in depth at their disposal.
14:01Ross Halls:Yeah, it's a shame we got them in the second round, or no, the third round.
14:05Stuart Watson:The third round, yeah.
14:06Ross Halls:Yeah, so if we got them maybe in the quarter-finals, the semi-finals, you're like, okay, and it depends on how, when you get that far in a competition, when do you decide to rotate or not. I remember when Mick decided to continue with a team who got them to against United. That's different to me.
14:24Stuart Watson:It was different there. I did have those frustrations around cup changes, around that sort of Mick McCarthy era. And the game at Old Trafford was the prime one because when you're kind of treading water in a league and you're not going to go up and you're not going to go down, then a cup run can be quite fun. It can salvage something. It can give you some memories from a season. And to kind of treat the cup with that sort of level of disdain, I think that word was appropriate. in those moments and certain players, you know, they went to Old Trafford and I think Murphy and McGoldrick started up front, but the rest was all fringe players and people like Cole Skues and Luke Chambers, who, you know, would never have had the chance to play at Old Trafford in their career.
15:11Stuart Watson:You know, I think that ended up doing more damage to morale than good. But that was a conversation then. It's a completely different set of circumstances now at Ipswich Town and where they're at in this current juncture.
15:23Ross Halls:Very much so. And unfortunately, Stu, it was another poor start at Portman Road for town because they were 2-0 down in the opening five minutes. I felt like I was at Groundhog Day when I was thinking, we're playing a team in red at Portman Road under lights and it's 2-0 down. I was like, oh, I swear I've seen this before. And yeah, not a start we want against the Premier League champions.
15:49Stuart Watson:Yeah, we'll deal with the bad stuff to start with. And that is the start. And that is, like you say, it was Liverpool take two. It was inside nine minutes, wasn't it, against Liverpool. This time the damage is done inside 16 minutes. And much like Liverpool, there's some self-harm in there. There's some mistakes. I wouldn't go as far as saying they were glaring individual errors, but they are small to medium errors that get ruthlessly punished by some of the best players in the world. And the first one is a loose Casey McAteer pass, square inside from the right wing, near the halfway line. Arsenal still have loads of work to do from there, but it's Max Dalman, it's a sharp one too.
16:39He's sort of a deft little body swerve,
16:42Stuart Watson:makes Cedric Kipre look a bit silly. and a nice finish from there. That's the first. And then the second one is playing out from the back. They're trying to sort of work the little triangles, as most teams do now, to find the spare man and work some space. And it's not the worst pass out the back from Christian Walton. It's a fraction off. and Bruno Guimara is on Nunez in a flash, picks his pocket from the blind side. Mourinho to Eze, touch, bang, 2-0. And that really was kind of game, set and match from that point onwards, looking at the kind of the two teams on the pitch without being sort of two defeaters.
17:32Stuart Watson:So that is absolutely one of the big kind of lessons to be learned from these first few games. knowing it and changing it is two very different things. But, you know, making sure that they kind of stay in games and give themselves a chance for the attacking threat that is undoubtedly on the pitch, giving that a chance to get some points and get some results, meaningful results, without the damage being done.
18:05Ross Halls:Especially at home as well, because, you know, the atmosphere just went flat, didn't it? is like, oh, 2-0, game was done pretty much. And the same against Liverpool. Where were you at still at that point? Do you feel like, oh, God, this could be, you know, really big scoreline with how Arsenal are going? Although they were just in cruise control, and I think they were happy with 2-0, you know, at one stage. I mean, they were pretty much, of course, they went to 4-0. But, you know, how do you react to the town's response after going 2-0 now?
18:32Stuart Watson:Yeah, obviously that's where your mind goes when the second goal goes in and they're starting to enjoy themselves a little bit in the same way that it did against Liverpool. And then I think once you ride out a few minutes of that, I think anyone who watches football long enough knows that when a team is in a pretty comfortable position, we've watched it from afar for a long time, haven't we, with the Ipswich 9-0 record. And you watch it sometimes and a score goes to 4 or 5-0 and you think, oh, it's going to happen. And it rarely does. Because the reason is when teams get into a really comfortable position, on a subconscious level it just becomes a sort of a game of control then doesn't it and it was a bit like that with Liverpool who you could argue then didn't have to get out of second gear too much and they just want to control the game and make sure they get a clean sheet behind them and pocket the points um it was a bit of that with with Arsenal um but credit to Ipswich for the response I thought at the back end of the first half, they came into it and had some nice attacking moves.
19:37Stuart Watson:Start the second half, Arsenal played with a bit of freedom, enjoyed themselves and they were some nice sort of intricate passing moments and good finishes. Mourinho curling one in off the post.
19:53Stuart Watson:Mourinho, down one again. And so, yeah, to then go to 4-0, could have very easily felt quite sorry for themselves, Ipswich Town. And again, the response was good. And I think we have to give them credit for getting the two goals and making the scoreline a bit more respectable.
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20:11Ross Halls:Yeah, very much so. I don't know, I feel like Gary O 'Neill, he sort of mentioned it, didn't he? He doesn't think there's going to be many 1-0, 0-0 games. There's been a lot of goals so far, some late goals as well. I think that's another late goal to add to the list of, you know, Chubat, Pomskow late goal at Man Utd. Fleming's goal recently, Jack Clark's goal against Tunderland. So late goals, but loads of goals being scored, Stu. But, of course, we're conceding some. But how are you feeling about that?
20:39Stuart Watson:Yeah, well, I've talked about the negative being they've got to kind of somehow find a way for these games not to go dead within the first 10, 15 minutes. but on the positive side of things, and Gary O 'Neill is very big on this, looks like a team with goals in it, doesn't it? And it's 12 goals in six games across all competitions, averaging two a game. It's only Liverpool that Ipswich haven't scored against now. I think eight different goal scorers in amongst all of those as well. And football is about sometimes kind of spotting trends and seeing the way things are going. Kieran McKenna was masterful when it came to the new five substitutions rule.
21:23Stuart Watson:And I thought he got that quicker than some other managers. And that was a big super strength of Ipswiches in fully maximising that. And, you know, the front four of the team completely empty in the tank and then tapping out and keeping that intensity high. And that's what led to so many late goals for Ipswich during that period. And Gary O 'Neill, I think, is quite astutely seeing that with some of the rule changes in the game now and how they're clamping down on time-wasting and restarts and stuff like that, he's seeing that, as he says, there's going to be a lot. I mean, there's many clean sheets in the game now.
22:00Stuart Watson:And I know there's been a few nil-nils in the Premier League, but we're seeing quite a few high-scoring games. He talks about the athleticism and the intensity at which teams play now. at the ball in play time, set pieces, how much work and effort goes into those. It could have, as a newly promoted team, come into the league and thought, do you know what, we're going to approach it like Hull and just be quite defensive and try and be pragmatic and grind the way. But I know Hull have got a couple of wins off the back of it, but you can easily lose games or certainly draw a lot of games trying to take that safe approach.
22:40Stuart Watson:Whereas this way, I think Ipswich will lose games, as we've seen in the manner of Liverpool in the cup game last night. They're going to win some matches as well. And we've seen that a couple of times because there's goals in them. And it's fun to watch as well, isn't it? That's what we want to see when we go and watch games of football. So that's the big positive for me from these first six games in all competition, that this is a team that's got goals in it and is going to go for it I'm not going to die wondering.
23:10Ross Halls:And of course, Arsenal had only conceded once so far this season, prior to this game. Aston Villa, no, Chelsea, sorry. Morgan Rodgers, who was at Aston Villa, joined for Chelsea this summer, had only scored against Arsenal in their seven games, or six games prior to this one. So, yeah, it's now seven games, seven wins for Arsenal. But as we met in two back, one can say, yep, we scored against you as well, which is a very rare feat, which is very good.
23:35Stuart Watson:And that was a proper Arsenal defence as well, wasn't it? It was Kepa in goal and Gabriel played the first half. Esri Konza came on at half-time, Louis Skelly in there at left-back. So take nothing away from that with those two late goals. And scoring late goals is also something to take from this. Now, Jack Clark last minute against Sunderland. Fleming last minute against Palace. Tuba in stoppage time last night. So the more something happens, the more it feels likely to happen. And that's also something to take from these first few matches.
24:13Ross Halls:Definitely. And a big positive for Chuba. He continues his scoring run. He had a pretty good pre-season. Now he's got three to his name. He scored at May 9th, of course. Against his boyhood club. I know that stat's going out, isn't there, about that Premier League, you know, made his Premier League debut for Arsenal, scored and, of course, he's done that, wasn't it? How many years was it? I know we're talking about that in the press conference room.
24:35Stuart Watson:Yeah, we were trying to work out. There's a few of us, a few journalists were talking about, has anyone ever gone longer between making your Premier League debut and scoring your first Premier League goal? So, Tuberat Pom, you'll have to double-check how old he was when he made his debut, I think, as a cameo for Arsenal as a kid, teenager, and then got his first Premier League goal at Old Trafford in his, how old is he, 30 now? Yes, 31. I think it might be 11 years, I think, was the stat. I heard some people talking about it last night. I think there might be some new information, but that's one to put out to the Kings of Anglia listeners to see if any names spring to mind.
25:20Stuart Watson:We were trying to think of whether there'd been a defender or a defensive midfielder that's played for years but never scored a goal till quite late. Or someone a bit like Tuba that, you know, got a handful of minutes as a kid and then maybe went and played abroad or had a bit of an EFL career before coming back. But it'd be an interesting stat, wouldn't it?
25:40Ross Halls:Well, there is a town connection that was mentioned in the press room yesterday. Damien De Lally did it for Leicester City. And then when he signed, I went probably for Palace when he scored for them. So I think that's, he's up there, I think. I think 2001 he scored. and then I think it was, I don't know, the date exactly when he scored for Palace. But a nice little town connection there. So any KOA statos out there, if you think of any other names, let us know. But yeah, should we talk about some more positives, Stu? Because yeah, 4-2, not a bad scoreline in the end, really. We're at 4-0 down.
26:14Ross Halls:There's a few players that impressed him. Zeon Fleming, showing what he's all about as a number nine. I thought he had a good game. There's a few times I got pictures of him, his shirt getting really pulled. There's one with the young lad, Salmon, who really was pulling his shirt, but he was battling against those defenders and making himself known there.
26:32Stuart Watson:Yeah, I liked him. The game plan was clearly, as Gary O 'Neill said, post-match to mix it up a little bit. They tried to play out from the back. Obviously, they got into trouble with the second goal doing so, but they weren't afraid to go direct as well. And sticking Fleming on the 17-year-old centre-half Salmon was part of the game plan. And he had a bit of a tear up with Salmon and Gabriel at the more experienced end of the scale. And as you say, a lot of shirt pulling, but he hustles and bustles in a kind of old fashioned number nine fashion. But the bit of the game I like the most is you can see that he's been a 10.
27:10Stuart Watson:You can see he's played deeper as well because his link play was exceptional at times. He was dropping into lovely pockets of play, back to goal. he was backing into people making it stick finding a teammate wide and then turn and get on his bike and trying to sort of get on the end of things in the box um a couple of really nice volleys if you remember there was um one that was hung up to the far post and he got a really good connection on it after the ball dropped out the sky beat the goalkeeper was blocked another one where he did brilliantly to cut it back actually from a sort of a similar dropping ball and um picked out Mometti in the box and he fired over.
27:48Stuart Watson:So I really liked Zian Fleming. I thought he was Ipswich's best player last night. And, you know, we're talking about, there was a lot of talk about strikers or has been probably for several years, really, with Ipswich, isn't there, in terms of whether they've got enough in terms of strikers, why they don't do it in January, left it late to get Fleming. But, you know, we've now discussed Tuba Akpom, Zian Fleming, Emerson, surprising people, including Gary O 'Neill pleasantly in terms of how quickly he's adapted to the Premier League. So I think that's three pretty solid striker options for a newly promoted team in the Premier League at the moment, I would suggest.
28:29Ross Halls:Definitely. Well, let's hear, Stu, from Gary O 'Neill. Alex spoke to him. You switched roles last night. I was sort of shocked to see you in the mix zone with Brenner and Callum. And I was like, what are you doing here? Someone's asked me that already. but yes AJ spoke to Gary let's see what Gary O 'Neill had to say on Towns defeat against Arsenal Gary it's a terrible complex at the scene in all your thoughts on that I thought we got really heavily punished and the game that was made to look really one-sided by the scoreline that probably wasn't really we made a couple of mistakes the first two shots end up in the goal and then they produced a couple of moments of quality in the second half to get to four.
29:16Ross Halls:But I thought we looked a threat all night. I thought we should have probably scored more. We arrived in there, blocks a lot. So yeah, it was a tough test with a group that hasn't played much. And I thought a lot of them came out, or all of them come out with real credit. I thought they had a right go, stuck at it. Didn't feel like a 4-0 game at any point, but the quality that they have meant that it was. but we found a way to fight our way back into it. Losing by two goals against them is not a dreadful effort. Disappointed that we didn't win because that's what we're here for but lots of positives.
29:55Ross Halls:Managed to get some minutes into a lot of players that need it and we still look a threat which is the important thing for me. I thought they're a good side defensively. They don't concede many chances at all and we were still able to get through. we were still able to create problems for them. But we gave ourselves an uphill battle, obviously conceding two as early as we did, similarly to the Liverpool game. Yes, next time we go back at Borton Road, of course, we'll be Fulham's due. And we just got to hope there's not early goals because that's going to be a massive game after the international break.
30:30Ross Halls:Any other business from the game, Stu? One thing I didn't like, which I've seen a lot now on social media, there was a lot of Arsenal fans in the home then and they were getting escorted by stewards because they were celebrating goals. Unfortunately, you're going to get that, I think, when you have teams like Arsenal come to town and they can't get in the away end, they're going to try to get in the home end, which was a disgrace, in my opinion. I was not happy about that. Why would you do that? But some people do when they can't go to games. They try to find a way. But that's one negative from last night, especially when I've seen so many different ends in the stadium as well, which is not good.
31:04Ross Halls:But yeah, anything else, mate, about the game?
31:06Stuart Watson:No, I'm sure Ipswich will look at their protocols around that as much as they want the stadium to be full out and maximising revenue. That can't be happening for safety reasons. So I'm sure they'll have a look at that going forwards. What else can I mention about the game? Abdul Wattar at left-back. I'm not convinced he's a left-back. We hear Gary O 'Neill said, you'll work out eventually what position I've got in mind for him or positions. I love his athleticism. He was great going forwards. Defensively, not so sure. Be interested to see what he's like as a right back compared to a left back.
31:45I think I've preferred him on limited viewing
31:48Stuart Watson:in central midfield so far, but you can see there's a player there in him, can't you? He's powerful. He's athletic.
31:55Ross Halls:I think the main problem at the moment is because we've got no other left back. Yeah. Which I know Jake agrees potentially can play there, but yeah I don't think that experiment is working him playing left back as you say especially when he's not he's come off the bench now hasn't he and he's gone in different positions he's gone at right back gone and centre midfield yeah not for me at left back unfortunately Abdul but
32:20Stuart Watson:yeah we'll see where he next is used I mean central midfielders which are well stocked especially with Azul Matasiwa sort of on the verge we wondered whether he might be involved last night I assume that game's just come a bit too soon and they'll probably wait till use this extended international break to get Azor fully back in the picture. But still uncertain as to where Abdul Wattara fits in or if he's just going to be this kind of jack-of-all-trades who feels where he needs to. You mentioned me being down in the mix zone last night. We mixed it up a little bit because Petey's away. and so I was doing some of his stuff as well as the usual sort of reporting.
33:05Stuart Watson:So anyway... Hero. Yeah, yeah.
33:10Stuart Watson:It's not going down the pits, is it, Ross? Anyway, I wasn't sure if I'd make it down in time for Gary's post-match so we changed things around. Long story short, I was down in the mix zone which is kind of at the back of the tunnel area and for the first sight I had, there's a couple of office chairs just kind of set up in the corner. So I was sat there, laptop balanced, trying to sort stuff out and Arsenal's squad, players, staff, just completely commandeered what's meant to be the kind of mix zone and had it as their warmed down area. So probably about 10 yards away, almost kind of eyeball to eyeball was Bakayo Saka doing his kind of lunges and hip thrusts at a slightly awkward height away from me and you had Eze and others kind of strolling to and fro and all different languages being spoken left, right and centre.
34:03Stuart Watson:Max Dalman came sort of sauntering out with real swagger with his hat at a jaunty angle. And Arsenal have got that sort of retro shell suit training gear, haven't they? Yeah, that was quite a sight. Arsenal had a lot of staff with them last night.
34:21Ross Halls:Yeah, that level, they've got so much. like town have got a lot of staff but they've got like a whole you know they've got a whole coach full of staff um which is incredible but yeah sometimes it is sort of pinch you moments especially us we've been covering league one football and championship and when i know we've been in the premier league before but yeah when when you sort of just you're in the mixed zone or even pitch side when i when i'm taking photos of these probably footballers like bloody hell you know look how far we've come situation uh which is incredible um and yeah even town i'm town players some of them you know going up against some of these you know it's still going well it's basically the ones who haven't played in premier before like players like anna smimetti like this is a big opportunity for him to play against premier league i know he's really been ambitious to play in the premier league that's maybe why you know stuck around and stuff and that was good experience for him to go up against them but one thing of those two is now there is players like him when is he going to get minutes now he's just going to have to buy these timers and he's going to have to wait until there's injuries suspensions illnesses always bring up illnesses.
35:22Ross Halls:There's always illnesses in the town squad at some point. So yeah, that's my only fear at the moment. But then, that's why they're playing in this game, because we've got the international break now. If they didn't play in this, it could have been months and months until we saw a lot of players like Anders Wermattie.
35:37Stuart Watson:It's undoubtedly a major challenge for Gary O 'Neill at the moment, and he's kind of, that question has been asked of him one or two times already since the window's shut, and it's really only Jack Taylor that's kind of fully out at the moment in a 27-man squad. He's been very quick to answer that. I love it. It's great. That's what I want. And I'm happy to have difficult conversations with people. But that is a challenge for him. There's an art to man management and making people kind of feel that they're not too far removed from the first team picture. You can say all of the right things. He was saying, I hope Darnell Furlong knows that.
36:16Stuart Watson:I absolutely adore him. and he's got, you know, I'm gutted that I haven't been able to play more and they've all got big roles to play behind the scenes in driving standards and being ready because the situation could change. But, you know, there will be a few now that are kind of wondering where their next minutes are going to come from and that's a challenge. But the picture could change very quickly. We've got this international break, quite a few players going away on that and then you get into sort of a busier schedule over winter. And as you say, the picture can change quite quickly. So you need to build a squad for the season.
36:54Stuart Watson:But at the moment, yeah, there's probably some very difficult calls being made by the manager.
37:00Ross Halls:Yeah, there's some big players going to be out of the squad. I think the last few games, if you look, there's been some players who think, Arsene Metti is one of them, of course. I think Trubacom missed the game as well, didn't he? He was not in the sort of 18, 19 weather squad.
37:15Stuart Watson:I mean, Sindra Vola-Agele, who we all said, you know, we all thought had a really good pre-season, that it was, you know, this was his time to kick on after getting his first season under his belt, being converted into a 10. And would he be the sort of the main backup there to in CISO? And then he doesn't even make the matchday squad against Liverpool, the team he grew up supporting. And that's a fixture that he would have been really looking forward to. and then last night he sees Mometti start ahead of him in the 10-roll. So, kind of managing the emotions of players like that is a big job for Gary O 'Neill and his extended staff.
37:52Ross Halls:And someone like Azor Matasiwa, I know we had this question already, but he's probably soon to be ready fit and rowing to go. Maybe came a bit too soon for this one. But he's got a lot of midfielders in front of him now.
38:05Stuart Watson:Player of the season last year, Azor Matasiwa. It's amazing how quickly people can kind of suit, you know, fans favourite, Dutch link, all the rest of it. And very quickly, we've got Argentine World Cup winner in Palacios and everyone's kind of fallen for Sasha Lukic a little bit so far. And Luis is, Florentino Luis is in there. So where does Matasir fit into all of this? We'll see. Left wing, there's now three players in. And Jadon Filagene back again and all talk about him leaving. And I think they've had to give him a little bit of a cuddle and an arm around him and stick with us. And you can be a big player for us this year.
38:43Stuart Watson:Jack Clark, who's started the season really well and was top goal scorer last season, comes on as a big impact last night when he came on and also Dazem Mieda as well. So there's three players there all battling for minutes in one position. So you'd rather it that way than not. but you're right to highlight it because it is an issue for Gary O 'Neill at this moment in time.
39:08Ross Halls:Yeah, because now it's all focused on the Premier League and that is the priority, of course. But then, yeah, you've got the FA Cup in January, which a lot of things can happen in that time. Shall we look ahead then, Stu? I know it's Wednesday, but a trip up to Everton, your boys, your boyhood club. There's still at Watson Derby, as I always say. And then New Ground, I know you've already been there as a supporter. You'll be covering it for the first time. Everton, they're a weird team, aren't they? I think they're solid under David Moyes, of course. They've got a Carabao Cup fixture tonight against Wolves.
39:42Ross Halls:So, it'll be interesting to see how much they rotate. But how are you feeling for this one, mate?
39:48Stuart Watson:I don't think they'll be able to rotate an awful lot because they haven't got... We've just been discussing the 27-man squad and the relative embarrassment of riches for Gary O 'Neill. Everton haven't got that. And they've had a, you know, last season, David Moyes, second time around at Everton, there was a sense and he kept talking about how we can get Everton back to competing to try and get into European places. And there was a sense that after some difficult years at Everton with points deductions and relegation battles, that things were moving in the right direction. Again, they finished 13th.
40:26Stuart Watson:and then they've had a really difficult transfer window. In terms of new players, not ones that were there last season on loan, I know Grealish has come back, which was sugar-coated a difficult deadline day in the end, but new players, Hayden Hackney, who Ipswich fans need no introduction to after Ipswich courted him heavily last summer, Christian Norgard from Arsenal, Brennan Johnson as part of a swap deal, with Dwight McNeil and Ainsley Maitland-Niles, former Itzwich Town low-knee, of course. And that's it, four players. And then in terms of exits, Beto, top goalscorer last season, him going leaves them with just one recognised striker in Tiano Barry, who hasn't exactly set the Premier League alight.
41:14Stuart Watson:So far, they've had Njai, the sort of X-Factor winger, has gone to Man City for big money on deadline day. Idrissa Gay, who's been a real sort of athletic all-action midfielder, he was released. Seamus Coleman, Premier League stalwart, real leader behind the scenes. He's gone as well. So it's left them with 18 senior players. Yes, it's not a club that's in Europe, but they look undercooked in terms of numbers, Everton, this season. And we talked about clubs that Ipswich could maybe finish above this year. And I threw Everton in as a possibility. My gut feeling is Moyes will make them solid enough.
41:54Stuart Watson:I still look at that core of players that they've got with Tarkovsky and Dewsbury Hall's a great player. And Ghana was excellent last season. I think they'll have enough to be OK. And the start they've made unbeaten kind of backs that up so far. So that's going to be a really interesting test for Ipswich to go up there. But do you know what? The pressure's off, really, after getting that last minute winner at Palace. I said going into Palace, Everton, Fulham at home. I think I would have taken one win out of those three games just to keep that sort of point of game ticking over. They've ticked it off already with the first game.
42:30Stuart Watson:Go to Everton. Go with this attacking style of play. See if you can make the crowd up there get a little bit edgy and nervous. And who knows what could happen?
42:42Ross Halls:Yeah, of course, as you said, they're unbeaten. They beat Palace on the opening day 2-0. Drew 1-1 with Bournemouth. Of course, Ainsley Maitland-Norz had to score. an absolute screamer to score a late minute winner. I don't know, sorry, equalise it. It probably felt like a winner when you're at the ground because Maynard had scored a course a late goal to make it 2-1 and then out of nowhere Ainsley Maitland-Niles with an absolute screamer. His first goal back in English football after like three years. A blast from the past years, isn't he, Stu? Because he was on loan under Mick McCarthy and his mum was ringing up Mick about, you know, why aren't you starting with son?
43:14Ross Halls:And all that sort of stuff. But yeah, we won't ask predictions just yet, Stu. But yeah, Are you expecting an end-to-end game? Will there be goals in this one, do you reckon?
43:24Stuart Watson:I don't think... I don't know about an end-to-end game. I think Everton are a bit more solid, pragmatic at the moment. It's kind of been a 4-1-4-1 system with Garner kind of sitting at the base of the midfield. They've got some pace and threat on the counter, particularly with Tyreek George, whose loan from Chelsea was made permanent. He got that really good goal against United in that United game. But yeah, I'm not sure it will be in the same mould as the Crystal Palace game. I think this will be a tighter game. I think this will be the toughest challenge, arguably, beyond Liverpool in terms of the way that played out, in terms of being able to create chances and score goals.
44:23So, yeah, as I say, sort of a bit of a free hit
44:28Stuart Watson:to a certain extent to go there. It's, you know, first visit to the Hill Dickinson Stadium for Ipswich Town. I know a lot of fans will be excited to experience that for the first time and take it off. I went up there with my supporters hat on, dusted that off after several years. I've kind of been long removed from that, but I made a bit of a pilgrimage last season to watch a game. And the atmosphere was amazing. And that was a day where they beat Chelsea 3-0. But the feedback I got from Everton fans is, much like a lot of teams where they move into a new stadium, it's going to take time for it to feel like home.
45:06Stuart Watson:And it's going to take results and wins and success for that to be the case. And that didn't really happen last season. so there's an opportunity I think all is not completely buoyant at Everton at the moment and I think Ipswich if they can go there and if they can do something magic out of nowhere if Inciso can repeat his feat of Goodison Park last time in the Premier League where he scored a well deep past Jordan Pickford something like that that kind of lights the blue touch paper I think there's an opportunity here for Ipswich I really do Definitely
45:40Ross Halls:early thoughts on the team Stu once again we're recording this just after the Arsenal game but it will I'm sure revert to the normal starting XI that we've seen the last few games, Gary Neal has not done many changes, it's just one wasn't it for the Palace game so do you think it will be sort of a similar team that played for Palace, obviously we'll find out about Emerson but I think he was just rested anyway for his quad injury anybody else who have put their hand up and gone I should be starting after the Arsenal game?
46:12Stuart Watson:No, I don't think so. I think it will revert to that Palace team. I think Gary O 'Neill dropped a couple of pretty heavy hints in his post-match press conference last night about a couple of the positions that we're not sure about. Talked a bit about this Emerson v Fleming battle for number nine. And he says, Zian Fleming is still kind of learning tactically how we want to play. And Emerson is kind of ahead of him in that respect. And I think Emerson was really good at Palace and was it two goals and an assist for him so far. So I'm pretty sure that Emerson will go again up front and Fleming will come off the bench at some point.
46:54Stuart Watson:And then we talked a little bit about the left wing options and what Ipswich do there. A lot of praise for Jack Clark after his impact off the bench last night. Gary O 'Neill says he definitely improved us when he came on. He could skip past Subamendi to set up the goal, didn't he, within seconds. Said, I wouldn't have taken him off at Palace had he not been on a booking. And with Palace having had a man sent off, he was just a little bit nervous about that. But I think he likes the look of Clark at the moment. And I think he's, you know, certainly with Filagene, nowhere near fully match fit. Maeda runs himself into the ground, but isn't maybe having that same kind of impact.
47:31Stuart Watson:he hasn't got that same final third ability that Jack Clark has. It looks like Clark will get another go on the left, judging by the manager's comments. And I can't see any other debates elsewhere in the team at the moment, can you?
47:49Ross Halls:Not really. Yeah, I think Dyson will be perfect off the bench if we're one and up against him and perfect someone to bring on to really shore up that left-hand side and just really work his butt off a Japanese superstar. But it's going to be intriguing, Stu, because we've got such a long break, three weeks. It's just making sure we do get players some minutes, but there's a lot of them that are going on international duty. I think this could be a record record of amount of players going into touch, Stu, because there's already Ezekiel Palacios with Argentina, which is still mind-blowing to see him and Messi together.
48:23Ross Halls:Of course, Messi's going to retire soon. I think it's his last international camp, potentially. Obviously, Nunes with Chile, which is great. a few other players i think uh cindra with with norway on the 21s but there's gonna be many more i'm sure but um yeah emerson from brazil probably not i don't forget i think they're ready now to get their like their um their squad for their upcoming friendlies but um yeah there's gonna be a
48:44Stuart Watson:lot of players still gonna be getting minutes yeah i mean this is the the end of this this chunk of games at the start of the season um i think they've done the right thing in kind of blending two international breaks into one, so it doesn't feel so sort of staccato and stop-start. We'd have had a break already by this point ordinarily, so I think it's good that there's been a sort of a flow of games. It's going to feel very strange with three weeks off. And, you know, it would be really nice if Ipswich... At the moment, I think there's, you know, everybody's glass. Most people's glasses is kind of half full, and I think we're feeling like it's a solid, encouraging start for Ipswich.
49:28Stuart Watson:It would be nice to continue that and get something from the game on Saturday to take into that long break and then we'll have plenty of time to talk about the players that are going away, where they're going and how nervous we need to be about them coming back unscathed.
49:47Ross Halls:Very much so. Well, Stu, I think that's it. Any other business, anything else you want to plug? yeah, I'm sure it's going to be a good experience, you know, a new stadium to tick off. I know there's a few town fans are saying to me, I've already been following Ipswich because the under-18s played in the Youth Cup last season. So maybe a few that have already ticked off.
50:09Stuart Watson:Well, I think that was when Ipswich were at Wrexham and there was a chance to go there, I think on the Friday night before. I think a few fans sort of did both. so yeah I think I think those that go will see that it's a new stadium that's been done right it's obviously been created on a man-made spit of land out on the docks and very steep stand behind one of the goals they've done that as steep as they possibly can within the rules it feels like it doesn't feel like a one of the sort of identikit new soulless bowls it's got a bit of identity they've put a lot of work into keeping the sound uh within within the ground um so uh yeah for me it's always a bit of a strange one i've experienced it a few times now of kind of ipswich versus everton um i'm gonna have some family in in the home end up there at the weekend um i guess for me a draw is i think that is probably i mean we're not going there were predictions but I think that's probably where I will go in terms of genuinely what I think could happen with this game and I think that would be a good result for Ipswich and I think that would probably make my life easiest as well and then we'll cross the bridge of a final day of the season game at Portman Road when it comes and what could be on the line then
51:34Ross Halls:Hopefully we're both fighting for European places hopefully, at the moment that's where we are, we're 10th and 9th respectively so that's okay, yeah pretty much but Stu thank you so much for joining me this two man pod AJ have a nice little lie down after last night's game and Heathie enjoying Italy you can see he's enjoying it on these social media posts showing you know beer and pizza and ice cream and all that jazz hope you're enjoying that Heathie but yeah me Stu and AJ will be of course up in Merseyside to cover that game if you go and enjoy if not for our coverage as always on kingsofanglia.com our great new website and app if you haven't downloaded it already why not make sure to download it which is fantastic you know ad free great user experience our videos are on there as well to check out amount of people who've come up to me and said i love the new app ross and um i'm so pleased you're enjoying it everybody uh also shout out to our sponsors molecular uk i'm a suffolk local business um covering your car cleaning business so um check them out if you want a discount koa 10 for all that sort of stuff and also kings of Anglia on all the socials even young ones even TikTok all TikTok so check that out Stu thank you my friend thank you everyone for listening and we'll see you in the next Kings of Anglia podcast up the KOA bye for now
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Ross Halls is joined by Stuart Watson to reflect on Ipswich Town’s 4-2 home defeat to Arsenal in the Carabao Cup.
The boys start by the debate around the multiple changes from the Blues, the pro and cons of rotation and going behind early again at Portman Road.
Then it's onto the key moments from the game and looking ahead to Saturday's trip to Everton in the Premier League ahead of the three week international break.
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