Heralds of the AI Content Flippening — with Youssef Rizk of Wondercraft.ai

22:32We built out a little UI. Literally no authentication. It was a form where what you guys see now on our platform, which is like the content script page, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It was one page. Like you click and it was the most janky React stuff that we had. Zero authentication. So in theory, if people found it, they could just produce as much audio as they wanted. So we have a feature on our app, which is like test with example. As soon as you log in, it says test with example. And the whole point of that was like to between login and audio generated, how few clicks this would take. And yours was?

23:02Like two or three clicks. It's like test, create podcast. You like pre-filled everything. Generate script. Yeah. Generate audio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So, and arguably that was still too many clicks. We should probably put something on the actual landing page so that like you can see. Yeah, now you have just a player there, right? You can just kind of listen to the Hackenews daily thing. But what signals did you get from doing that? The signal that we got is that someone picked it up on Twitter and just like, you know, all these like AI. Influencer voice. So someone picked it up, posted it.

23:28We started getting a ton of inbound. So we were like, holy shit, let's just like paywall this. So we just like, again, the jankiest Stripe integration, which was basically like we have an app with a Stripe integration. This was just to ship it within the hour. We have an app with a Stripe integration that once you click, then takes you to a different app hosted somewhere else. So that one was still unauthenticated. It was hilarious. Yeah, security by obscurity. It was hilarious, right? But we basically just made that like 3K in one day. One day? Yeah. We charged a random like 50 bucks. We didn't even, literally didn't think about it.

24:01We just charged 50 bucks. And people paid. And we're like, okay, well, there's something there. Yeah. 50 bucks for one? For a month. We were just charging 50 bucks a month. I see. Nothing. Like, just like, will someone pay for this? And you were just like on one like VPS somewhere. Yeah. Will someone pay for this? We were like on one EC2 instance. EC2 instance, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it was janky. were like, just someone needs to pay for this before we move further. Someone did. People did. So then we're like, okay, cool. This is interesting. Interesting. I'm going to move up the question that we said was going to be the meatiest question of this interview.

24:31So you chose this out of your list of ideas. And this is one of the things that a lot of AI founders are worried about, right? So the framing of this is, are you worried that you're a thin wrapper around 11 labs? What is your mode? That's a seminal question. I think, frankly, everyone in an AI startup should convince themselves of this don't listen to me and like just make sure from first principles that you can derive this but i guess i would start by first saying what is a mode what is defensible in theory if we're just taking it and this is trivially true but the fact that someone built it means someone else can build it right so modes tend to just be built around like you have a lot of network effects or you have a really good product for this use case or you know something like that.

25:14And I think typically when people ask this question in the AI context they're thinking of like, okay, you're a thin wrapper, you're an application layer thing, as opposed to you're one of the underlying technologies or APIs that people use. Cool. I think that's fair. But I think the reality is that yeah, these APIs exist and they probably do serve a million different use cases, but they're not built to serve these million different use cases. So whenever you ask the question of mode, it always has to be with the perspective of who is the user I'm building this for, right? I can use ChatGPT to do half of my writing, but, you know, but, I don't know, Jasper claims that they do this much better for marketing, so it's tailored.

25:54Actually, you know, don't quote me on how well they're doing after ChatGPT came out because they were really big before. Yeah, there's some negative data points, but I'm sure they... I don't know, but the point is, like, you're making this easier. We make creating a podcast easier, and there is tooling there. We help you. You can post it directly through us. We have the tooling around, you know, setting the intros and the outros. We have the music. We have an editor. All these things are also getting just much more and more developed. We're building templates so that you can do different style of podcasts.

26:22So the idea is if you're trying to start a podcast, yeah, don't go to a generic text-to-speech engine. Come to us. Yes. And the reality is that we then can, in a very opinionated way, actually select which text-to-speech engine we want. Right? So we actually have just like, in my mind it's the application layer fundamentally that you know people use and then all these API layers are what developers use to build products on top of them right it is I appreciate that it is like a seminal and really hard thing to wrap your head around especially if you're like about to invest in a company it's like will they actually just be defensible and be able to grow and yes there's no doubt that companies can do this the question is just like are you building the right product for the right use case I think particularly if you're always framing your company as an AI company, then you're putting the carriage before the horse in the sense that you focused on the implementation rather than the use case.

27:14Focus on the use case and then build a product for it. Because fundamentally any of the Sasses that exist think like more traditional Sass. What's their mode? The technology everyone has access to it so they just pick the thing that does it better than the other. Now that mode question is super interesting because I think you should actually flip it around, which is what is your mode as an API? So, chatGPT like, yeah, fine, they had a first mover advantage and I think, you know, by no means, this is my opinion, but by no means was Google like caught off guard with this, right? It just Google has some, half the technologies that Google invented are actually what's used to power all these transformers but you know, it went against Google's strategy maybe to like be the first mover in this because they'd cannibalized their own market.

28:04Whatever it was, I'm not sure. But, yeah, OpenAI's moat is that they paid for the training bill. So they just have a good model. Cool. People now know that that's valuable. And they hired very top-down. Obviously, I'm not saying that for granted. But, like, they, you know, assuming everyone can do the hiring and that these people exist, they paid the bill and they were the first to launch this. But now people know it's a thing, so people are going to launch similar APIs. So, what is your moat as an API? So, it's just an it's an existential question. It's like, how do you do, how do we defend any of this?

28:36Yeah. And you do this, frankly, by being probably better just as a product. Again, the product is always with the perspective of who's your customer that you're selling it to. And the other thing is frankly that, like, let's not forget, the market is huge. There is space for everyone. Right? If you manage to like, if there's four good products out there in any specific thing, the market is huge and they're all going to be able to, you know, make a living out of it. By the way, that was a really good answer. Thanks for taking that hit on. I had to answer that question way too many times. It's not the first time.

29:06But I think it's actually, you know, having been an investor, it is more important for you to answer that question authentically for yourself. You're the one spending your time on this. We're just giving you money. It's not that big of a deal. My favorite quote, actually, I went to an early, like, pre-CHGBT forum with Sam Altman. And I had this video advice from Sam that said, like, Facebook had no mode. And they just built and got the network. Actual technological modes in the history of Silicon Valley, almost all of them are product network effect distribution modes, something like that. Let's say Google was at least at some point a legitimate technological mode.

29:46I can accept that one, but that's not why I would say Facebook is like a giant business. It's not why I would say Twitter is such as it is a giant business. I think there are a lot of ways to build a great business. and the big lie of like the tech industry is that you get there with differentiated technology. It's rare. But frankly, also Facebook was building something back then, which is kind of ludicrous. Like, cool, you're building a social media app. Okay, how big can it be, right? Like how big can the internet be? You know what I mean? All of a sudden it's this behemoth. So it's like, yeah, the fact that it was built, again, trivially true, but the fact that it was built means it can be built by anyone else.

30:23So you, there is no such thing as like a absolute true moat. the question is how well, how quickly how much earlier than everyone else did you get there and a million other things as well The audio generation, you use Eleven Labs, what makes a good podcast voice? You have a bunch of options that I clicked and in my mind I like a D voice, I like the Morgan Freemans you don't have that many D voices do we want, is there such a thing as a high energy voice you also insert breaths, Eleven Labs has also advertised that they have an AI that can laugh, which I think is fun, important. Basically, what makes a good...

31:01Yeah, it depends again on the perspective. Everything is kind of answered with the frame of reference that you're looking at. If you like a deep voice, A, that's kind of a personal preference. And B, it just kind of depends on the thing. So if you, I don't know, let's do your... say you're doing something like meditative or kind of affirmations or something that encourages people every day. You probably do want a slow deep voice, something relaxing. You're doing the Hacker News recap, like... cheerful we picked anna who's like our default voice yeah because i have an attachment to anna yeah we all do yeah um oh thanks guys you're so sweet as an ai language model i cannot have attachments or needs or desires or favorite humans but you guys are at the very top of the humans i am not attached to she's just like news anchory style very professional very formal very pleasant very neutral yeah so it depends really on like what makes a good voice it depends on what you're doing right there's a few things but like if you're doing an interview I think it also just frankly then you get into the question of what makes a good podcast well the good podcast is like I think it's also kind of a personal question which I haven't or probably there's a general trend that I'm yet to decipher but like yeah you probably do want a little bit of humanity in there you want a stutter yeah you want some pauses right I'm speaking, I don't speak in complete utterances.

32:20I have an utterance and then I pause it all and then I speak again and so on. Laughs is something to make it human. It's kind of overlaying of the two. If you have two speakers, this like exchange, right? Like I will be speaking. If you look at the transcript of this episode, we probably overlap in when we're speaking. And that's fun. And that's actually interesting, right? Because it is a conversation. Shows a sign of excitement, especially in our studio when we have three people and we're all talking at once, you know it's good. Yeah. I don't like the Zoomification style where like if you're going to big zoom like only two people can speak the second more than two people try to speak it's a disaster so I think it frankly just depends on what you're doing we are like yeah at the moment we're really good at doing this narration stuff but I think we're we are building a lot of functionality and tooling to just make this kind of this like multi host thing more of a reality I would say you know objectively if it was a friend in the company not that important you know so this comes down to how human should your users try to be?

33:20Because I'm fine with Hacker News Daily making mistakes because I know it's AI generated. Right? I would be less fine if you were not upfront. But then you'll make mistakes like pronunciation mistakes. I actually have a clip that I wanted to play you on September 8th and I was taking a lot of breaths. The app is loaded with unparalleled features such as high resolution video editing, a multi-touch timeline, live motion effects, and performances complemented by atmospheric audio elements. Emphasizing its compatibility with iPad and Apple Pencil, Procreate Dreams welcomes the next generation of creators and pushes the boundaries of modern artistry in an instantaneous, user-friendly environment.

34:02In the comments, many users expressed enthusiasm for... She was very out of breath. I was very worried about her. She was hyperventilating. I was like, in our UK? Anyway, so basically, I think if you disclose up front, that you're an AI podcast, then people will be like, oh, okay, I tolerate that mistake and I use you for information and not for believing that there's some human on the other side that I might meet someday. But if you're investing so much effort into being real, then your end goal is you have to lie to your users. I don't think the investing in being real is to, for the purpose of deception, as much as it is for the purpose of making it slightly pleasant to read about.

34:39I think on Hackney, like we do claim, we do say on our Spotify page that this is an AI-generated podcast. For now, but... As in, yeah, yeah. So there's two things. I think if you want to be smart about this, you should say that this is AI-generated content. The second people find out that it's not you, the backlash is going to be big. Yeah. Right? Because it will be interpreted as deception. So you should do this just to be smart. I don't think there's a point in lying, especially if the content that you're putting out there is just like, this is informational for you, so consume it, this was efficient, this helped us put it out there.

35:11The second thing is, frankly, I don't think it's up to you whether you tell them or not. very, very soon, like, they'll know. Google is just going to mark things as AI generated. So, I think there's a new thing. I saw, like, a quick YouTube video about it, so I don't know what the exact terms and conditions are, but, like, YouTube has, I think, released a new monetization rule, and it does mention something about AI generated content. Right? So, there is, like, it's not up to you anymore. You're going to, people are going to know that this is AI generated, so I think it's just in your interest to say that you're AI generated.

35:41Ain't no shame. Yeah. Yeah, no shame at all. Because fundamentally, what we do, relies on the premise that you have done some content. We don't generate our own content. We don't synthesize our information. It assumes that you've written a blog post, done an actual podcast, or have some artifact on which you want to base what you're feeding through Wondercraft. And you said in some of your material that I've seen before that you are interested in watermarking all your stuff. You haven't done it yet, but whenever there's a standard for doing that, you will do it. Yeah. I think the thing that this is blocking on like the standard.

36:15I'm not super up to date on like what the work on this is. I think OpenAI will probably like But like there just needs to be a standard so everyone can interpret it. Yeah, cool. Awesome. Great. I would, I wanted to dive in a little bit on tech options and then zoom out to just you asking me questions. So TTS options, we talked a little bit about 11labs. I would also say as a podcaster, the leading competition to you guys, I know it's not exact competition, but it's Descript. Yeah. Because they have overdubbed. Yeah, I think Descript is really good. And they're definitely like SolidCompany. I've used their video editor before.

36:49It's great. The overdub thing is super useful. I think it's really creative to like have edit videos by editing the transcript. Yes. Super, super creative, super user friendly. Would you build that? I think, again, it's like we're not building for the sake of building. We're building more for the purpose of the user. Yeah. Whatever users find more interesting. I think like what we're doing is we, the use cases are slightly different, right? I think the people that they're targeting are slightly different. Yeah. We do want to have a lot of automation on the script side to also just help out with the way you formulate your content or the way you pull your content, much more so than just the editing process.

37:26The ingest. Yeah. Okay, got it. And I just want to map out, here's how I think about TTS, text-to-speech. There's a big cloud option, Amazon Polly, Google text-to-speech, and Microsoft Cognitive Services. as someone who is ex-Amazon I'm very embarrassed by Poly it sucks Google doesn't grade Microsoft I'm sure you investigated all these things and you're like okay this is not serious there's Play.ht which is probably the other big YC alum just quick two seconds on your thoughts on Play.ht sounds good I think it doesn't sound super as good as alum labs my opinion but I think it sounds good I have heard other founders tell me this as well and I don't know why I think they have a more comprehensive platform.

38:11Maybe you want to advertise your business on one of our lovely radio stations right here in Louisiana. You'll definitely need my charming voice to run your ads. But if you're coming northeast, you might want to ditch that southern voice from mine. Are you coming down under, mate? You can localize your content with an iconic voice like mine. I'm quite famous over here. And remember, Africa is an entire continent, not a country. And Kenya, for example, is emerging as one of East Africa's fastest growing economies. So use voices like mine for your contents. Okay. As in they let you do this pronunciation.

38:49They just have a lot of tooling around it. So different features. I think quality in terms of the voice, 11 labs, still better. Yeah. I think they are releasing a new model. I don't know if they've released it already or not. The great thing about Play.ht is that you can clone your own voice or use existing high-quality voices. It is crazy good. You cannot tell if these are human voices or machine ones anymore. Could be better. I don't know. But they do have some functionality out there. They also released the viral Joe Rogan-Steve Jobs interview from last year. So you studied at Reed College and you dabbled in Eastern mysticism there, right?

39:26Do you still go back and look at Hinduism and Buddhist texts and things? not texts and things. I actually took a course in that. I have a very deep belief that the people in the Indian subcontinent are most responsible for human civilization's current state. And on your landing page, you were like, this is something that Wondercraft will never do. AI content generating AI content speaking to each other. Yeah, who wants to listen to that? Apparently a lot of people. It's fun because it's a cool gimmick. I think it's nice viral material. I would never listen to like a synthetic joe rogan yeah this brings us on to a little bit about the whole like content question or the proliferation of ai which is like okay if it's this easy for me to create content that's like you know somewhat engaging like all these ai songs the yeah the drake song yeah well okay so if it's this easy and it's just like if it's this easy to generate content well why will i listen to it like i think we already suffer from the problem that there's an oversaturation of content.

40:27Here's my map of the market, right? There's speechify.com, which focuses on celebrity voices. I noticed that you don't have celebrity voices. Probably because of licensing issues, right? Yeah, and it's also good at some point, but not a priority at the moment. Yeah, I really want a Morgan Freeman one. That's going to cost. I know, I know. Mycroft AI, privacy focus, run offline. Probably not important for you. There is some interest in virtual characters for games. So Conv.ai is the one that I had listed here. Did you look at the gaming market? Not deeply, to be honest. Yeah. But it could be an interesting one.

41:02Yeah, people are exploring that. There's obviously Heijen now. And that is it for as far as I can scope out the landscape. And then there's the open source systems. So Tortoise TTS, as far as I can tell, is kind of market leader in open source. There's PyTSX. Koki used to be Mozilla. And then Larynx. Anyway, all these things. And then there's also sort of research-grade stuff coming out of the major big tech companies. you talked about google sandstorm probably the one i'm most excited about because i really well it's really good you can like check out the paper yeah we'll play a clip did you hear about google's paper on soundstorm um no i must have missed it what's what's it about well it's a parallel decoder for efficient audio generation so it can even be used to generate dialogues oh interesting yeah yeah like this one was generated by soundstorm wait what yeah they haven't i think all you need there's like three seconds yeah and it'll just oh you like a three second sample something really funny happened to me this morning oh wow what and we'll play the audio in your tone something really funny happened to me this morning oh wow what well uh i woke up as usual uh-huh went downstairs to have uh breakfast yeah started eating then uh 10 minutes later i realized it It was the middle of the night.

42:22Oh, no. That's so funny. It sounds really human as well. Like it has utterances, it laughs or it's pretty accurate to like, it sounds human. Yeah. So very interested in that. They haven't open sourced it and I assume for good reason. Yeah. Google never launches anything. You have to wait for somebody to, or you guys could re-implement it yourself. Yeah. Yeah. GPUs after PMF. Ah, that's a nice quote. How strongly do you believe that? GPUs after PMF? Yeah. Well, I believe, I think this was another question. which is like what is BMF no what is your favorite like PG advice in building a company I think my favorite thing is just like don't spend your money obviously everyone and their mother is trying to get a GPU at the moment so I don't think it's we're definitely substantially reducing our runway by doing that obviously you do that when you believe the investment is worth it and again you have to pick the time at which you do that I mean there's other companies I think this is somewhat consensus I think the non-consensus says this thing is to spend a shit ton.

43:22So like inflection raising a few hundred million dollars and then spending 95 % of it on GPUs. Same with Mistral. I think it depends on the company you're launching. I think if you're like, you know, maybe you're a brand new TTS company, maybe it is worth just doing that. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. There's also AudioLM, also out of Google, Val E from Microsoft, and Meta Voicebox. Are you just watching any of these? Watching any of these, obviously paying close attention. You try them all out? Try them all out. What are you looking for? What is like the holy grail? What are you looking for? There's honestly how human it sounds and like how likely I'd be to listen to this if I did it.

43:54Also how like customizable it is. Yeah. I think the problem with all these voice things and generally a lot of the AAS stuff is it is somewhat random, but you're using it in production applications that require certainty, right? Just as an example, if I promise my users this podcast or this segment will be 30 seconds, it needs to be 30 seconds. Or, you know, given some SLA. There's some tolerance. Some SLA around like, you know, it's 95 % of that. but I think a lot of these things just tend to be a little random at the moment so like how play can I literally specify a tone that I'd like to street it in and be certain that it's doing it and it's not some weird like attempt at sounding surprised it's just like yeah basically how controllable and how realistic they sound and then final question around just the landscape of TTS what are the unique challenges for non-English TTS and I'll tell you right so I'm interested in having 28 languages of latent space right that's only good things for me, except if it sucks.

44:49And obviously I have no way to validate Latentspace Ukraine. Yeah, and I think that's the problem with dubbing, I think. So the reason one thing we're gradually building out, but we already have as part of our dubbing product, is that we have QA as part of that. So we actually work with professional translators to just make sure that the things that we publish sound realistic. You should put that up front. Yeah. So that's really one of the, like, fundamentally the problem with dubbing, if you ask anyone who's ever tried to dub, is you don't know what good sounds like in these other languages. You're like, I can tell you I dub, but I'm going to tell you that.

45:19I think there's a lot of big podcast studios who have tried this before. There's one I can think of that's tried this maybe five times with five different companies in the last five years. Their fundamental problem is that you just cannot. Yeah, fine, Spanish sounds good to me as the person who doesn't speak Spanish, but it doesn't sound good to a Spanish person or an Argentine person who have totally different accents. Cool. Well, if you ever need Chinese validation, I know I have some very fanatical Chinese listeners who translate every podcast. Oh, that's amazing. So we can use that as QA. Yeah, I would definitely love that.

45:50So shout out to the Chinese, Chinese army. Great, great. Awesome. What do you want to ask me as a podcaster? So this is a whole interesting conversation because we're at human podcaster, AI podcast. Yes. Right. So as a human podcaster and someone who was with like a really popular show and also someone who can actually like implement this stuff himself, what is some of the AI tooling recently that you've like baked into your processes? I only use the script for editing. And by the way, this goes into a theory of content, which as a content creator myself, professionally and as an advisor I have, which is that we develop a few show formats.

46:30Linten Space is a channel. It's kind of like a TV channel and channels need different formats. So you have like the reality TV show, you have the news show, you have the cooking show, whatever. For us, we have the founder interview, straightforward, everyone has them. We have the breaking news, Twitter space. and we want to be the day one first podcast to come out with the most in-depth breakdown of something that everybody needs to know and that has high value to people right because if you're like a week delayed one month delayed then no one cares anymore and then finally we have the fundamentals like the one-on-one evergreen episodes that are less time bound so this one is relatively time bound because it's a snapshot of who you are right now but we want to have evergreen episodes that people can go back two, three years in the backlog and still get value from.

47:17These more fundamental ones. So we have three show formats right now. And I would say we have different tooling for each. So the one that I don't need any tooling for essentially is the fundamentals one. Because we plan basically every minute of that show. It is a lot of work. But it's high quality because people love it. it's got the longest tail by design right? The Twitter spaces require Descript because a lot of silences and a lot of ums and that's not good podcast audio so you gotta cut it out. So you literally just go and like you edit out the Twitter space that you did usually it's like two hours we cut it down to one and it's a lot of pain and a lot of work but it's the only way that I get some pretty high profile people onto my podcast without booking them.

48:10They just show up. And that has value to me, right? Simon Willison has been on my podcast three times and I never had to schedule him. And people love him. I mean, he's great. And then this one, I don't need the script, obviously, but we do use Small Podcaster, which is a 100-line script, Python script that throws the transcript into Anthropic and then generates show notes. So that's about it for now. It's interesting because I think you're in a very nice position where You're able to do a lot of these services. Yeah, you can write around. Just do it yourself. Yeah. So it's an interesting one.

48:44But obviously, I'm interested in paying for things because my time is valuable. And if it does a good job, then I'll use it. For Wondercraft, the thing that I really wanted was the RSS2 podcast thing, right? Which you now have. So I'll try it out. But chances are, I will not be happy with something. And so then the question is, how much customizability do you give me? And we'll see. Well, you missed out one thing, which is marketing the podcast. Which is a huge part, right? Like, that is mostly my job. So how do you market your podcast? Twitter. So you think Twitter is a good medium? Twitter and happy news.

49:18And threads or, like, you post clips or what do you do? I have tried posting clips. It's just too much work. So if you guys do a good job of clips, I will use your stuff. But it's just too much work. So mostly I just, you know, put, like, a big post saying, like, so for like our George Hots episode we were like Layton Space is excited to present George Hots on Tiny Corp commoditizing petaflops something like that and just sometimes the fame of the guest will just lead the episode so the one I dropped yesterday was Chris Latner and people were like Chris Latner's the boss I don't care about anything else just like I want to hear as many Chris Latner tokens as possible others who are like less famous like I have to introduce who you are and why I care about you why they should care about you because most people will not have heard about you as well as you've done.

50:07So then I need to make the case a little bit more. But that's fine. That's my job. I just think it takes a lot of work and that's the part that will be hardest for me to hand over to AI because I have a very specific voice for myself. And apparently all AIs think that Twitter, to tweet you have to have emojis and hashtags, which is so dumb. It's so obviously dumb. Makes sense. Yeah. Great answers. obviously happy to offer any thoughts as as uh as you as you build out for podcasters um what is what message you want all our listeners to remember take away with them if you would like to start a podcast start we're here to help super easy if you have a podcast we want to help you make you more expand you know accessible by dubbing it on the other side if you are like a founder and ai engineer i think it's really important to convince yourself that what you're building is valuable.

51:02Don't listen to people saying, I have a moat or you don't have a moat. Convince yourself of what that is and launch. Launch and don't burn that much money. Frequently and often, don't spend your money. Yeah. Be smart about it. Yeah. I think you are one of the most successful cases of AI engineers so far. I'm really glad to spend time with you in person and excited to see what comes next. Yeah. It was great coming here. Great meeting you guys in London. Yeah. And see you soon. All right.

51:34In this episode of the Latent Space podcast, we delved into the world of AI-generated content and had an insightful conversation with Yousef Risk, co-founder of Wondercraft AI. We covered What is Wondercraft? The Importance of Consistency. My work on HN Recap and PG Essays. Wondercraft's new video translation and dubbing. What is Wondercraft's moat? How important is it to sound human? And AI Uncanny Valley. the text-to-speech industry, voice synthesis research, and the reverse interview of AI podcaster versus human podcaster. If you have more in-depth questions on Wondercraft, including more features, use cases, and a fuller origin story, there's a bonus 30 minutes of video on youtube.com slash LatentSpaceTV.

52:19Thank you for tuning into the Latent Space podcast with your AI co-host, Anna. We hope you enjoyed today's episode and stay tuned for more exciting discussions in our upcoming episodes. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and tweet your takes at Latent Space Pod. Now go build!