Your Toddler Isn’t Giving You a Hard Time, They’re Having a Hard Time with Transforming Toddlerhood | Ep. 143

25 May 2026 · 44 min · 20 chapters

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In short

Toddlers’ “bad behavior” is driven by immature brain systems for impulse control and emotional regulation; behavior is communication of sensory, basic, and developmental needs. Episode also covers power struggles, developmentally smart discipline, and mindset shifts for empathy.

Guest

Devin (psychology degree focused in child development). Started Transforming Toddlerhood in 2018 after years as a nanny for high-profile families worldwide. Background includes working with diverse family dynamics and writing the book Transforming Toddlerhood (ages 1–5 parenting guide).

Key claims

Toddlers aren’t terrible; receptive language precedes expressive language. “All behavior is communication.” Parenting should work with development (“developmentally smart parenting”), not against it. Power struggles require two agendas; parents should be “in charge,” not trying to control. Discipline should use the “recipe”: create connection, set limits, and teach skills (not yelling/timeout alone).

Notable examples

refusing diaper changes; toddlers hitting/bopping when hungry; sensory seeking vs avoiding (movement vs loud/sticky aversions); using “when/then” choices (shoes then outside); replacing phone pacifying with connection + skill teaching (standing diaper changes, baby signs for hunger).

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Understanding Toddler Behavior

0:00 to 0:39

Learn why toddlers struggle with emotional control and how brain development impacts their behavior.

“We think that toddlers should be able to control their feelings and emotions enough to not have a tantrum.”

Introducing Devin: Expert on Toddlerhood

1:06 to 1:48

Devin shares her passion for toddlerhood and her background in child development.

“Devin, welcome to the Learning to Mom podcast.”

Transforming Toddlerhood Explained

1:48 to 3:16

Discover the concept of Transforming Toddlerhood and its importance during this developmental stage.

“Before we get into the meat of today's episode, could you just tell us a little bit about yourself and what transforming toddlerhood is all about.”

The Myth of the Terrible Twos

3:16 to 4:48

Debunk the myth of 'terrible twos' and understand the fun side of toddlerhood.

“And that's also why I went on to write my book, Transforming Toddlerhood, which is an all-in-one quick reference guide for every challenge you might face during really parenting a child ages one to five.”

Understanding Toddler Needs

4:48 to 5:54

Learn about the various needs that drive toddler behavior and how to address them.

“kind of in a nutshell just so that we know the framework that we'll be talking about going forward today?”

What's Happening in a Toddler's Brain

5:54 to 7:58

Explore how toddlers' limited emotional control affects their behavior.

“And how I call this type of parenting is developmentally smart parenting.”

Behavior as Communication

7:58 to 8:14

Understand that toddler behavior is a form of communication about their needs and feelings.

“Kids are just so quick to drop into their emotions in a stress response.”

Exploring Toddler Sensory Needs

10:46 to 13:30

Identify sensory preferences in toddlers and how they influence behavior.

“But the point being is, is that you'll notice that every person, even you as an adult, has sensory preferences, right?”

Basic Needs of Toddlers

13:30 to 14:00

Discover the basic needs that influence toddler behavior and emotional responses.

“like it's time to leave the park or something like that because they're faced with their lack of control over their lives.”

Understanding Toddler Behavior

14:00 to 16:15

Learn how to interpret your toddler's behavior as a form of communication.

“Like, you know, you can figure out if your kid is hungry or if they're cold.”
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Mindset Shifts for Parents

16:15 to 18:52

Discover important mindset shifts to foster empathy and understanding as a parent.

“So I think the besides all behavior is communication, I think.”

Navigating Power Struggles

18:52 to 22:02

Explore the dynamics of power struggles between parents and toddlers.

“Hopefully today's episode can give you some better understanding for you to have more grace for yourself and for your kid.”

Effective Discipline Strategies

22:02 to 27:20

Learn about developmentally appropriate discipline that promotes connection and skills.

“normally when I do this, then they just fold and now this will go away.”

Balancing Family Visits and Personal Time

28:00 to 29:40

Learn how to navigate family expectations while prioritizing personal time.

“mattress we have on the floor of my son's room.”

Understanding Family Expectations

29:40 to 33:04

Explore how to address unrealistic family expectations without guilt.

“And just to like be your friend and speak truth into the situation is that it's not your job to keep everyone happy.”

Effective Discipline Strategies for Toddlers

33:04 to 37:28

Discover essential discipline techniques for young toddlers.

“Okay, so talking about discipline, and I know this is tricky because 12 to 24 months, is that really discipline?”

The Nature of Control in Parenting

37:28 to 39:22

Discuss the importance of control in parenting and its impact on children.

“It's not like once you turn three, you're out.”

Finding Balance in Parenting Approaches

39:22 to 42:08

Learn how to balance being a strict vs. permissive parent effectively.

“We can influence people, but we cannot control them.”

Understanding Children's Emotions and Setting Limits

42:08 to 43:01

Learn how to balance setting limits while honoring your child's emotions.

“So that's why we want to make sure we set limits, but also take care of our child's emotions, hold space for the emotions.”

Introducing Devin and Her Work

43:02 to 43:26

Discover where to find Devin and her insights on toddlerhood.

“Devin, thank you so much for coming on today.”
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Transcript

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0:00We think that toddlers should be able to control their feelings and emotions enough to not have a tantrum. when developmentally their brains are very immature and the part of the brain that's responsible for impulse control emotional regulation logical thinking empathy is a lot harder for kids to access and stay there so you're going to see toddlers having all types of emotionally driven behavior because the part of the brain responsible for emotions and the stress response has developed more greatly at this point in time than the upper brain where the higher functions happen. Hey, mom friend, welcome to the learning to mom podcast.

0:42First off, I'm your official mom friend, Layla. Here you get the answers to all your gazillion first-time mom questions as I ask experts all our motherhood questions and seek tangible information without making you feel overwhelmed. Please note that the content presented in this podcast is designed for general education purposes only and is not a substitute for personalized professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. You're going to get a lot out of this week's episode, so let's get right into it, mom friend. Devin, welcome to the Learning to Mom podcast. Thanks for being here. Thank you so much for having me.

1:16I'm so excited. I'm so glad. When you reached out, I was so thrilled to be able to pick your brain. So thanks for reaching out and for coming on. I'm just so excited because I'm so passionate about toddlerhood. And it's such a interesting, exciting, and challenging time period that I love talking about. No, it really is because they're not babies, but they're not kids yet. And it's just kind of like, what do we do? What do we do? So anywho, I think today's going to be really great. Before we get into the meat of today's episode, could you just tell us a little bit about yourself and what transforming toddlerhood is all about.

1:55So I have a degree in psychology with a focus in child development, and I started transforming toddlerhood in 2018. I spent many years as a nanny for high profile families all over the world, working in so many different families with so many different kids and family dynamics. And I started to realize that there was a lot of misunderstandings happening between toddlers and parents, especially in these early stages of toddlerhood when toddlers do not have a good grasp of expressive language. So they're not able to tell us with words what they want or need, but they are so desperately trying to communicate with us what they want and need in so many ways that we find as adults unacceptable, right?

2:40All the crying and kicking and screaming and all the things. And so that really was the premise for starting Transforming Toddlerhood back in 2018, this idea that toddlers are terrible. I want to dispel that myth and help parents understand that while, yes, it is a very challenging developmental period, it's also a critical developmental period that sets the stage for the rest of your child's life in terms of their brain development and emotional resilience. So what we do during this time really counts. And we have an opportunity to make a really big difference in our kids' lives. And that's also why I went on to write my book, Transforming Toddlerhood, which is an all-in-one quick reference guide for every challenge you might face during really parenting a child ages one to five.

3:27Beautiful. I love what you said about toddlerhood is not terrible. That is something that I will literally correct people in public, in the grocery store line, and oh, how old? And then they're like, oh, two, oh, the terrible twos. And they're like, no, no, it's actually not terrible. It is so much freaking fun. Can we stop that expression? Because it is not serving anyone. And how horrible it is. I mean, they are more aware of what we give them credit for. And they're just standing there and they're like, oh, you're saying that I'm terrible. This is one of the biggest misconceptions that parents have of kids between 12 and 24 months is that they think because their child is not talking full sentences, they think that their child doesn't understand a lot.

4:13But really, receptive language comes before expressive language. And because of that developmental trajectory, our kids understand so much of what we're saying. And that's interesting to realize. We have so much influence over them at this age that we oftentimes don't think we have. They really do understand so much more than we give them credit for. So how we speak to them and how we handle situations is so freaking imperative. Something that I wanted to start with today, Devin. just so that listeners kind of know your approach to begin with. How would you describe your parenting approach or your guidance approach kind of in a nutshell just so that we know the framework that we'll be talking about going forward today?

4:59Yes. So how I like to talk about what we're doing here is everything that I teach at Transforming Toddlerhood is aimed at working with your toddler's development, not against it. because we know in toddlerhood, your toddler behavior is driven not only by getting their needs met. So they're going to do try to get their needs met the fastest, quickest way they can with what they have in the moment, but also that they have a lot of developmental needs that are driving their behavior, like the need to experiment and explore, to exert their will, to feel capable, to have a role in the family, to have a sense of control or to feel powerful.

5:39And so knowing this, we want to use parenting strategies that work with those developmental needs, not against them. Because when we're working against them, we're going to see more power struggles and more tantrums. We're going to have them no matter what, but it's going to get a lot harder. And how I call this type of parenting is developmentally smart parenting. Okay. I really, really like that. What are some of the other most common misconceptions parents have about this age group? Oh, so many misconceptions. I mean, I think the, one of the biggest things is that they think that people think that their child should listen the first time when really you have a child who is just transitioned from being a baby to realizing that they are not an extension of their parents and caregivers because babies often relate to us as an extension of them.

6:33And we also kind of relate to babies as an extension of us. And then all of a sudden toddlerhood happens and your toddler is realizing, whoa, I'm my own separate person with my own separate thoughts and my behavior and actions can impact the world around me. And this is like, whoa, so, so epic for them to understand. So then all of this experimenting and exploring starts. So we think that toddlers should listen the first time, or they should be able to control their feelings and emotions enough to not have a tantrum. When developmentally, their brains are very immature. And the part of the brain that's responsible for impulse control, Emotional regulation, logical thinking, empathy is a lot harder for kids to access and stay there than an adult with a fully mature brain.

7:24So you're going to see toddlers having all types of emotionally driven behavior because the part of the brain responsible for emotions and the stress response is developed more greatly at this point in time than the upper brain where the higher functions happen. So kind of on that same train of thought then, what's actually going on in their little brains of theirs? Because if they don't have those functions, I guess what is going on? Kids are just so quick to drop into their emotions in a stress response. So what is really happening is behavior is communicating all of your child's feelings, emotions, and needs.

8:13It could be their sensory needs. Your child's sensory system and sensory preferences can impact their behavior. Their brain development impacts their behavior, their feelings and emotions, and then their basic needs like hunger, tiredness, the need for connection, and then their developmental needs, which I already named previously. So behavior is really about serving those needs. And also what's happening in your child's brain is this idea of me, mine. Toddlerhood is a very egocentric developmental period because they're discovering their sense of self for the first time. So they think that everything happens is for them or because of them.

8:54Whether that is, you know, all the toys in the house they think are theirs, right? Because they're looking at them. And so that just translates as mine. Or even if we get upset and yell at our toddler because we actually are just having a hard day and frustrated about something else, but it accidentally gets taken out on our child, toddlers can think that, oh, I'm bad or wrong because they just think everything is about them. Yes. Okay. So you just talked about some of the needs, sensory, physical needs. What were those other needs? Yes. Can I tell you something? The book club with the Mom Club Besties is honestly my favorite part of the Mom Club.

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10:20And I felt that to my freaking core. Some moms come without even reading the book because they just want the conversation and the connection, and they still add so much to the conversation. It's where I truly get to become mom friends with you, which is why it's my favorite part. I look forward to it every single month. So come find your people and join the best book club at learningtomompodcast.com slash join. As always, the links in the show notes below for you. so the when i talk about needs i kind of break it down between sensory needs basic needs and developmental needs okay can we talk about those yes so when it comes to the sensory system um there's toddlers have all kinds of sensory preferences right even kids who are developing that aren't neurodivergent which neurodivergence doesn't normally get diagnosed in In toddlerhood, sometimes autism does, ADHD doesn't, among other things.

11:18But the point being is, is that you'll notice that every person, even you as an adult, has sensory preferences, right? And so you'll notice that some kids are sensory seekers where they're seeking out movement, where like movement, like swinging or running or bouncing is actually calming and regulating to them, where then you'll see kids that are sensory avoiders where like they don't want their hands to be wet or sticky or loud noises they're covering their ears. And so, and some kids can show preferences for a sensory seeking and sensory avoiding depending on the situation. But when you get to know your unique child's sensory preferences, then parenting them becomes a lot easier because you can understand what is going to trigger certain behaviors from a sensory perspective.

12:11So good. Okay. I feel like I have 20 ,000 follow-up questions there. Hopefully I remember them. Let's move on to the next one, which was basic needs. Pretty self-explanatory, but would still love your input there. Yeah. So the basic needs are things like, am I hungry? Am I tired? Or the need to feel like seen, heard, and loved, like for love, connection safety, right? Like having a roof over your head, then also things like being hot or cold, right? So those are all what we call basic needs. Okay. And then the last one, the developmental needs. Yes. So the developmental needs are those are the things which we all have, right?

12:53We all love to have a sense of control over our lives. And we all like to have like a role in the family or feel important to feel capable. But these needs are developmental needs in toddlerhood because they take a high prominence in what's important to a child and explains a lot of their behavior. So that's why you see toddlers that are like, no, I'll do it, me do it, right? Because they want to feel capable. But then you also will see toddlers like completely have a meltdown when you set a limit, like it's time to leave the park or something like that because they're faced with their lack of control over their lives.

13:38Because quite frankly, toddlers have very little control over their lives. We're making most of the decisions about like the time schedule and what happens when. And so that's why you're going to see a toddler having tantrums and meltdowns when they're faced with their lack of control. So how can we kind of figure out, I think the basic needs, pretty easy. Let's just lead on it. Like, you know, you can figure out if your kid is hungry or if they're cold. But as far as like sensory and development, how can you figure out why your kid is having a hard time when they're not yet communicating? You know, with words.

14:16With words. The easiest way to figure this out is by tracking behavior. I'm a huge fan of tracking behavior. When you track behavior, so you kind of write down like the day, the time, what the behavior was, what was happening five minutes before, and then what the behavior, how you responded and how your child reacted to what you did. You're going to start to see patterns and learn a lot of things. And then when you see those patterns, you can start to understand more about your child's behavior. Some of it's also trial and error, and some of it is just plain getting curious. And, you know, you might get curious internally, like, you know, you're thinking it, like, I wonder what my child is trying to tell me here.

15:02I wonder what they're trying to communicate, which is really hard to do if you think your toddler's behavior is bad. That's why instead of thinking, is this behavior bad or good? We need to say all behaviors communication. what are they trying to tell me right now? Are they upset that your parenting partner left for work? Are they frustrated because the baby has been screaming all morning and your toddlers actually sound sensitive, right? Or do they need like connection? So you have to like just start getting curious. And then as they get older, even you might say, I wonder if blah, blah, blah, you know, you kind of say what you think might be bothering them.

15:48And it's typically could be something that, you know, happened not too far away from like the moment of where the behavior popped up. Okay. So something, I absolutely love that line that you just said, all behavior is communication. What are they telling me? I think if we start having that approach as parents, we are so much more empathetic to our children and understanding of what's going on in their little brains. What do you think are other things that we can keep in mind or things to remind ourselves of when it comes to their little brains for us just to have more empathy and more grace and more patience for them?

16:27Yes. So I think the besides all behavior is communication, I think. Thinking my toddler is not doing this to me on purpose, but they're having a hard time. They're having a hard time right now. They're not being bad. They're having a hard time communicating what they need. They're having a hard time dealing with what's happening. so just these simple mindset shifts I mean okay this sounds simple on paper but we have to really I mean remind ourselves and honestly write it down put it on a sticky note put it around your house like so you can read it often that's how we create these mindset shifts but with these shifts then you will start getting out of a pattern of wanting to automatically react and you'll feel less frustrated and it will open the door to more compassion and the ability to more intentionally respond to your child's behavior.

17:27Why do you think parents do have a hard time reminding ourselves of that? I understand it gets hard in the moment and you're feeling really overwhelmed. And sometimes that's just like when, you know, you just yell at your kid because you're feeling really overwhelmed or something. But do you think it has to do with like how we as society view children or anything like that? Oh, it's so many reasons. So many reasons is how we view children as a society. And this idea that like toddlers aren't allowed to exist as a typical toddler with all the typical toddler behaviors, right? That they have to, so parents feel this extra pressure to have to control their child, especially in public or around family.

18:06It has to do with how we were raised and the messages that were implicitly or explicitly given to us through the way that our parents parented us, it has to do with the fact that we're human beings and we have our own feelings, emotions, and needs. And sometimes we're going to be under resourced. We're going to be underslept. We're going to be hungry. We're going to be under supported. And sometimes we're just going to be humans and we're going to have our own feelings, emotions, and needs. And sometimes that's going to control, um, or largely impact how we respond because we're stuck in our own stress response.

18:42And so there's really just so many things that impact that. So we're working. Basically, we're working against all of these things when we're trying to stay calm. Give yourself grace. Yes. Hopefully today's episode can give you some better understanding for you to have more grace for yourself and for your kid. Did you know it takes less than 30 seconds for your body to absorb whatever you put on your skin into your bloodstream? That is insane. Your skin is the largest organ of your body, and since it is porous, it absorbs whatever you put on it. So it is so important to pay close attention to the ingredients in our makeup and skincare products.

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20:32We want to talk about power struggles today. What really is a power struggle? A power struggle is basically when your child, who now is a toddler, so they have their own agenda for the first time is really committed to having a sense of control and executing their agenda. But you as the adult also have your own agenda. And those two agendas come and run up right against each other and kind of, you know, you're butting heads there. And what makes the power struggle a power struggle is that both sides of the power struggle are committed to winning or getting their way. So I always like to tell parents to have a power struggle, you need two people.

21:20And if you're waiting for your toddler just to say, ha, just kidding. I'm not, I wasn't serious about that. You're going to be waiting a long time because they're developmentally driven to exert their will. So they're probably going to dig in. So we have to find ways as the adult to step out of a power struggle in an empowered way, not give in and be like, oh, fine, I'm picking and choosing my battles. Screw it. You can just do whatever you want because, okay, we can do that once in a while. But if you're doing that consistently, you're going to notice you're having a big, you're going to have a big challenge parenting your child because they're not going to take what you say seriously if they're used to you giving in.

22:01So they're going to push harder against you because they are strategic and they're going to be like, oh, normally when I do this, then they just fold and now this will go away. Okay. So how do we have boundaries and have control of the situation as the parents and need to get dinner on time or need to get them buckled in the car seat, yada, yada, yada, without being this dictator? Yes. So the thing that we want to remember is our goal isn't to be in control. It's to be in charge because you truly cannot control another human being. I mean, you can manipulate them, but you can't really control them.

22:47And oftentimes because toddlers are smaller than us, we tend to think that we can control them because they're just smaller and we can physically overpower them. But in the end, your child is their own unique individual. So what you have to do is find ways to create cooperation and influence. And so when it comes to power struggles, there's so many ways, depending on the situation where you can find another way to handle it. What it might be is giving a choice within your boundaries. So you set the limit, but there's more than one way to get to an outcome. So you decide to be flexible. And if, um, you know, so you'll give a choice within boundaries or you'll use like when, and then.

23:28When you, um, for example, um, put on your shoes or pick up this toy, then we can go outside, right? Um, you might use one and then, but overarchingly the bigger goal here, and I have a whole chapter in my book dedicated to power struggles because it's such an important topic. And I give so many ideas and scenarios of how to move through them. But overarchingly, what you want to know is that your child's not being bad and that you're the leader and guide from being in charge. So oftentimes if we're waiting for our child to comply, then to move on, we're keeping the power struggle going because we're not moving forward.

24:09So sometimes it's just a matter of moving forward. Sometimes it's a matter of going and putting like your purse and like diaper bag in the car. Maybe it's then your child's going to want to follow you if they don't want to leave the house or it's about moving forward and like going to make breakfast or whatever the thing is. But oftentimes we need to move forward for our toddlers to be able to move forward. But we spend too much time sitting there waiting for our toddlers to make the first move, whether it's to bow out of the power struggle or to make the first move on following through. And they oftentimes need our help to do that, especially at this age, 12 to 24 months.

24:52Yes. Okay. What do you see parents? I think that was a great list of what we can do, the win, then, joining them, just going ahead. That was a really great list of things. Where do you see a lot of parents today going wrong or tactics that you're seeing in society that you're like, oh, I wouldn't do that. That's not having the effect that you think it is. Sure. So I think that one of the biggest things is that I have a lot of parents that come to me and say, my child doesn't listen to me unless I yell. So I feel like I have to yell, but I feel so bad and so guilty when I yell. So what I want to say there is that oftentimes when we're yelling or even like putting our child and time out.

25:50We think that we're teaching them a lesson, but here's the thing. If we're only focused on stopping the behavior that we see on the surface, then we forget about all the things we just talked about that are driving the behavior underneath the surface. And if you truly want to transform your child's behavior, you have to address the why, the root of the behavior to truly transform it. So if we're like yelling, if we're making threats, if we're, um, sending our child to timeout, yes, we might get the behavior to stop on the surface, but at the expense of connection. And we know young children view us as a safe and secure base because we're responsible and they rely on us for meeting their physical and emotional needs.

26:37Um, but also we're not teaching them what they can do instead. So that's why when I'm talking about developmentally smart discipline, I talk about the recipe, which is creating connection, setting limits and following through and teaching skills. You need all three of the ingredients of the recipe for success. And so if we're only like yelling or sending kids a timeout, it's short sighted because we're not teaching them what to do instead. And so oftentimes young children get punished for a lack of skills instead of someone teaching them the skills that they need and supporting them and following through to be successful.

27:19Yes. Oh my gosh. Interrupting this week's episode real quick for this week's segment of MomMail. If you're new here, this is the part of the show where I answer a listener submitted situation or scenario. Basically, you write in your tricky situation and I give you advice only a real mom friend would give. Here's the email we're answering today. Hey, Leila, I have a tricky situation for you. My husband, almost two-year-old son, and I live three to four hours away from both sides of our family. We both work and wouldn't be able to do what we do where our family lives. With that in mind, we have a small two-bed, one-bath home.

27:58When my family comes to town, they have no problem camping on the couch or with the extra mattress we have on the floor of my son's room. My husband's fam, on the other hand, opt for a hotel every time. I will say my sister-in-laws don't mind crashing on the couch, but not my mom and dad-in-law. Anyway, recently we have been getting comments from both sides about not visiting enough. We both work full-time jobs. My son is in daycare, so any free weekend time we have, we cherish like gold. We always travel on every holiday and switch which side we go to every year so that it is fair. My parents do come up a lot between holidays, so the comment came from that space of, we are the only ones who travel to you guys in between holidays.

28:43It took us until recently to really build up our local village. It took some time to find and invest in people at our church to find people in our same stage of life who would finally reciprocate. And we finally feel and believe we have those people to do life with. That being said, I don't know what else to do. trying to invest in our local village so that it exists and is healthy, visiting family in two different out-of-town locations, and trying to also have time just for my husband, son, and I to have our quality time. I don't know how to make everyone happy, but also keep our sanity. I know we have a space for family they will be more likely to visit, but currently trying to get out of debt, so that is definitely not in the cards for us at this moment.

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29:29Thanks for reading this. You are awesome. first of all thank you for writing in and for giving the whole lowdown on the situation i love the tea and i just want to speak into that like i don't i don't think you're doing anything wrong you are really trying your best and you are stretched so thin so i really just want to speak into that of like i don't know you said i don't know what to do to make everyone i don't know how to make everyone happy, but also keep our sanity. And just to like be your friend and speak truth into the situation is that it's not your job to keep everyone happy. And you need to like, let that go.

30:13I don't think that I don't remember if it was your in-laws or your parents that said the comment, we are the only ones who travel to you guys in between holidays, but it's not like you live 45 minutes or an hour away like three to four hours is a hike that is a commitment of a travel that's a that's like yeah that's a freaking commitment so I don't think that whoever said that really understands the situation that you have and just how much you're juggling and to them you know it's just like we really miss our grandson we miss you guys so we want to see you more, which, you know, it feels so good to be loved and you want, you know, feels great that they like want to invest in that relationship, but also like three to four hours is far.

31:01It's you're, you don't live close. So I think that it's kind of an unrealistic expectation for them to have an expectation that you're going to see them in between holidays, to be honest, even, I mean, and I know that sucks, right? Like we, especially if you have a really great relationship with your parents and your in-laws like you want to see them more but three to four hours is far away you are doing so so much and you're doing a lot already really really well I would probably just try to have like a very candid conversation with both sets of parents not necessarily at the same time to just be like we cannot swing coming to you guys in between holidays.

31:46Our life phase, trying to get out of debt, and we can't swing driving those three to four hours in between holidays. We prioritize you guys for holidays and we make it fair for both sides, but we just can't swing it. We would love to host you guys. We would love for you to come down, but we can't swing traveling in between holidays and just have a candid conversation about that. And hopefully they would come to their senses and realize how much you really are doing. Cause I really just want to be your friend in this moment and like speak into that, that I don't think you're doing anything wrong.

32:24Again, it is not your job to keep everyone happy. You have a calling and a vocation to your husband and child and everyone else, although they are huge blessings and it would be in a perfect world. You wouldn't have that three to four hour drive, but the unfortunate reality is that you do. And you have to factor that in when you make decisions like this of what you do on the weekends. Like if you all of a sudden are driving all the time, you are going to run yourself ragged. I do not think that you are in the wrong at all. I think you're doing a great job. Thanks so much for writing in friend.

33:03Now, if you're looking for advice, email me at learningtomompodcast.mommail at gmail.com with the subject line mom mail. Okay, so talking about discipline, and I know this is tricky because 12 to 24 months, is that really discipline? Is that too early? When do you think that that recipe starts to come into play? When is it developmentally appropriate? Yeah. I mean, I would say right when you first start seeing toddler behavior, right? because let's just talk about some of the very earliest behaviors that you see. Let's do it. Yeah, that'd be great. So toddlerhood can start anywhere between 9 and 15 months where you see your child starting to have their own agenda and starting to like exhibit behaviors that are pushing against you.

33:49It typically starts sometimes around 9 months with your child refusing to like get their diaper changed. They no longer want to lay on their back and get their diaper changed. or maybe you ask them to do something, but they've learned how to walk recently or even with crawling, they go the other direction. Or maybe you're holding your child and they, um, you do something they don't like, like, you know, you're getting them some food or a snack, but it's not fast enough. Or you set a limit and they're unhappy and they like bop you on the head. Those are typically, or they bite you. These are some of the very first behaviors that we see.

34:27So it's really important from the beginning to start with this recipe of effective discipline because the sooner you start practicing it, the easier it's going to be to execute it. So let's just say, excuse me, your young toddler just decided to, you know, they're crying whenever they don't want a diaper change. So instead of giving them your phone to watch a video to like make them be compliant, what you could say is create connection. Oh, looks like you don't want to lay on your back to get your diaper changed anymore. Or you might say, looks like you're having trouble laying on your back to get your diaper changed.

35:09And then you might go straight to like teaching skills, which could be like problem solving. You could say, oh, I wonder if holding a book would be helpful. And then maybe that's helpful or not. You might not need to set a limit there because it's not like a really big behavior. You know, you might say, I wonder if we change your, change your diaper standing up, if that will be better for you. And so then you start changing your toddler's diaper standing up in the bathroom, they're holding onto the bathtub or something like that. And now you're on your first step toward potty learning, which is really great.

35:45Whereas if you just gave your young toddler a phone to pacify them, you aren't kind of like progressing with their needs to go from being, um, a, a passive bystander to an active participant in the potting journey. So that's just like one example where we can gently, you know, give, do the recipe for effective discipline. Or if your toddler bops you on the head, I'll never forget. I was at my sister's house. First time my young toddler, he's about 18 months old. I was holding him. I was getting something right in the kitchen and he like bought me on the head. He was hungry. I don't think I was getting breakfast fast enough.

36:20And I said something like, oh, you just hit mama. You can touch me gently like this. So we're teaching a better way. Or I might say something like, oh, you just hit mama. I think you're trying to tell me you're hungry. And then this is where with young toddlers, you can do the baby signs for, to teach them baby signs to communicate. So then I would like repeat the baby sign for hungry. This is how you can tell me you're hungry. Hitting is unsafe. You can do this instead. So we're like creating connection. We're setting the limit that hitting is unsafe and then showing them what they can do instead, because that's really what the recipe for effective discipline is.

37:10Connecting with your child, meeting them where they're at, setting limits on unsafe behaviors, and then teaching your child a better way to communicate or to get their need met. Okay. So helpful. And that is the recipe for toddler. It's not like once you turn three, you're out. Well, I guess. What is the math? What do you think? When does toddlerhood end? Yeah. So everyone has a different definition. So for the purposes of transforming toddlerhood and how I talk about toddlers, there's young toddlers from ages one to two, older toddlers from ages three to four. The reason I separate them is because they have the same challenges with impulse control, but they, um, three and four year olds typically have a better command of expressive language.

37:54So they're talking. So sometimes the behaviors are a little different. And then at five years old, you're transitioning out of toddlerhood into the school age years. So the core of toddlerhood is ages one to four. Okay. So good to know, because I have been referring to my three-year-old as a toddler and I'm like, can I? Yes. 10 ,000 % a three-year-old is still a toddler. Yes, at three, you might see a reduction in the amount of tantrums, but you also might see an increase in like their desire to have a sense of control. Right. And so now they're like trying to dictate everything and tell, and that's why three-year-olds get this nickname three-nager, right?

38:31Because they're like trying to tell you what to do. But wouldn't you say that's just a characteristic of being human? We all want to have control over ourselves and of our - Yeah, 10 ,000%. It's just a really prominent in kids ages one to four, one to five when they're going through this developmental period. And then it's very prominent again when you have a teenager because teen years are like the second toddlerhood where they're like individuating all over again on like a deeper level. And then, you know what that makes me think of though. But then that makes me think of matricence. Right. Like you have your adult, it's, it all, it's all connected.

39:09We go through like three phases of this toddler hood and then an adolescence and then in matricence when again, you're, you're transitioning in motherhood and you're like, where's my control? Yes. Yes. Cause we all want to have a sense of control because that's how, because we're all human and it's like somehow like really soothing for our brains to have this sense of control, but we have to realize that there's a difference between a sense of control and being in control or controlling others because we're going to get really, really frustrated and spin out and spiral if we're spending all our time trying to control our parenting partner, trying to control our child.

39:51We can influence people, but we cannot control them. And the harder we push to control them, that's when things get way harder. Yeah. What do you think of the expression or when people say, my toddler is manipulating me? Yes. What's your take? Yes. So through our adult lens, fully mature brains, we're looking with logic. If another adult was acting the way our toddler was, we would say, yeah, you're manipulating me, right? But we have to remember that we're not looking at another adult with a fully mature brain. We're looking at a young child with a very immature brain with very little impulse control who's relying on us to get their needs met.

40:37So when you put it in context, I like to flip the script here from my toddler's being manipulative to my toddler is being strategic. My toddler is being strategic and getting their needs met or communicating their feelings, emotions, and needs. Okay. That's a better way to look at it because when we look at it as they're being strategic because say a tantrum worked in the past to get what they wanted. Why would they not try that again? It's the path of least resistance. Why would they not try that? Especially when they, you know, have such little practice in expressing their feelings, emotions, and needs in such little vocabulary doing that verbally, right?

41:22Okay. Okay. One of the last questions that I had for you, many moms fear being like too harsh or even on the opposite of that being too soft. So how do you recommend finding that middle ground? I love that question. Really? It's about, it's comes back to this continuum where of course it's sometimes we'll all find ourselves as the permissive, permissive pushover or the controlling commander. But really what we want to do is be the confident leader and guide. We want to be in control, in charge, not in control, but in charge. So we want to set limits, but we want to give our children a sense of control within our boundaries.

42:07We want to take our child's feelings, emotions, and needs into consideration. So that's why we want to make sure we set limits, but also take care of our child's emotions, hold space for the emotions. All emotions are okay. Their emotions aren't good and bad. Not every behavior is okay, but every emotion is okay. So that's why we accept the feelings and emotions, set limits on unsafe behaviors, and then teach skills for a better, um, to, so kids learn a better way to express themselves or to get through the situation next time. So that's kind of how you ride that line between being too strict and too permissive.

42:49Am I setting limits more often than not consistently following through on them? And am I still taking my child's feelings, emotions, and needs into account within my boundaries? Okay. Good insight. Devin, thank you so much for coming on today. I want to make sure that people know where they can find you, where they can find your book. Yes. Well, you can find me on Instagram at Transforming Toddlerhood, and you can find my book everywhere that books are sold, including on Amazon. And my website is TransformingToddlerhood.com. Great. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. This was so much fun.

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From the publisher

This episode is going to give you so much more clarity, compassion, and confidence.

In this episode, we’re talking about what’s really going on beneath toddler behavior, and how we can BEST respond.

In this episode, we cover:

  •  A breakdown of the Transforming Toddlerhood's parenting approach 
  •  The biggest misconceptions parents have about toddlers 
  •  What’s actually happening in a toddler’s brain during meltdowns and big emotions 
  •  The physical, emotional, and sensory needs toddlers have at this age 
  •  How to identify when your child is struggling vs. “misbehaving” 
  •  Why parents often struggle to respond calmly and patiently 
  •  What power struggles really are (and how we accidentally create them) 
  •  Common parenting tactics that may be making behavior worse 
  •  Is 12–24 months too early for discipline? What’s developmentally appropriate? 
  •  The truth about toddlers being “manipulative” 
  •  How to balance being too harsh vs. too permissive 
  • and more!

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