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Legal AF Podcast Episode Summary
Episode Title
DOJ Lawyer Asks to Be Arrested Over Trump’s Orders!
Hosts
- Ben Meiselas - Founder of MeidasTouch, civil rights lawyer
- Michael Popok - National trial lawyer strategist
- Karen Friedman Agnifilo - Former Chief Assistant District Attorney, Manhattan DA's Office
Episode Overview In this episode, the hosts discuss a shocking incident involving a Department of Justice (DOJ) attorney, Julie Lee, who broke down in tears in a Minnesota federal court. Frustrated with her inability to ensure compliance from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), she asked the judge to jail her for 24 hours so she could get some sleep due to the overwhelming stress of her job.
Key Points
- Julie's Emotional Plea
- Julie Lee, a DOJ attorney, expressed her distress over the failures within the system and her own role in it.
- She requested the judge to throw her in jail, explicitly stating, "This job sucks. The system sucks."
- Her plea underscores the struggles faced by attorneys working under immense pressure in a depleted and overwhelmed department.
- Court Orders and Compliance Issues
- Judge Blackwell highlighted repeated violations of his court orders by ICE, with over 100 violations in January 2026 alone, as reported by Chief Judge Schiltz.
- The judge emphasized that ICE must comply unless orders are overturned.
- ICE's Systematic Issues
- Julie Lee acknowledged a lack of guidance and support within the DOJ, which has been exacerbated by staffing shortages.
- The episode reveals a broader issue of morale and effectiveness within the DOJ, especially as many lawyers have left the agency.
- Julie Lee’s Background
- Previously worked for ICE, Lee transitioned to assist the DOJ but found herself in a challenging and often thankless situation.
- Popok reflects on how her current role contrasts with her previous work in an immigration court heavily influenced by the Trump administration.
- Judicial System Strain
- The hosts draw parallels to the backlog and strain seen during other significant judicial events, such as the January 6th Capitol riots.
- There is an ongoing struggle within the judiciary to process numerous habeas corpus petitions amid an insufficient number of judges and resources.
- Government Accountability
- Chief Judge Schiltz warned of potential contempt proceedings against ICE officials for ongoing noncompliance.
- The episode illustrates increasing frustration from the judiciary towards executive branch overreach and inefficiency.
Discussion Highlights
- Popok and the hosts express empathy for Julie Lee’s plight and criticize the state of the DOJ and ICE.
- They advocate for accountability and reform within the system to protect the rights of migrants and ensure compliance with court orders.
Conclusion This episode sheds light on the catastrophic breakdown of the immigration enforcement system and the resulting impact on legal professionals and the individuals they serve. The emotional toll on attorneys like Julie Lee reveals a deeper crisis within federal institutions under the current administration.
Recommended Actions
- Legal professionals and advocates are encouraged to support reforms that enhance compliance and oversight within immigration enforcement agencies.
- Listeners are urged to stay informed about developments in immigration law and judicial accountability.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOJulie Lee's Courtroom Plea
5:30 to 8:00
Discussion of attorney Julie Lee's dramatic courtroom plea regarding ICE violations.
“but he was head of Border Patrol, He actually thought it was okay to make fun of the religion of the replacement U.S.”
The State of ICE and the U.S. Attorney's Office
8:00 to 13:00
Examination of the challenges faced by the U.S. Attorney's office in Minnesota related to ICE and court order compliance.
“I doubt that's why she signed up for this gig.”
Judicial Consequences and Future Implications
13:00 to 14:00
Discussion about potential consequences for ICE and the judicial response from the courts.
“Since Donald Trump has started, 38 less people, and they're not all illegal migrants, child rapists, or human smugglers or drug dealers or narco-terrorists, which is what they always want to tell you.”
Introducing the Legal AF Substack
14:00 to 14:28
Learn about the Legal AF Substack and its features.
“That's why we formed the Legal AF Substack.”
Transcript
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2:42That was attorney Julie Lee working for the Department of Justice in a courtroom in the United States, in Minneapolis, in response to Judge Blackwell asking Julie Lee, why in the five habeas corpus petition cases that I'm handling for migrants who are unconstitutionally spending their time in jail instead of out and about, why have there been so many violations of my orders? And this was Julie Lee's response. Not some random person on the street, a person who volunteered for the job, A person who used to work for ICE and decided to go to Minneapolis and help the Department of Justice. And then in tears during this report, during this court appearance, basically threw herself on the mercy of the court and asked to be thrown in jail so she could get some sleep.
3:37I'm Michael Popak. You're on Midas Touch and Legal AF. Okay. A couple of days ago, I reported that the chief judge of all the federal courts in Minnesota, Judge Schiltz, in an order declared the following about the Trump administration. He said that in the month of January, that there have been 96 court orders in 74 different cases in Minnesota alone in the month of January 2026 alone. And he thinks that number is underreported. He said of those about 100 court orders violated, he believes that ICE has violated more court orders in January of 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence.
4:27And he says it's going to stop now. ICE is not a law unto itself. Chief Judge Schultz wrote, ICE has every right to challenge its orders, but it has to follow its orders unless they're overturned or vacated. Which brings us forward a handful of days later to Julie Lee in court. Julie Lee is not an assistant U.S. attorney. I guess she's been deputized to be such for now. She apparently, according to reporting on the ground in Minneapolis, worked in ICE as an attorney in immigration court. She decides, I guess, either compelled or she decides on her own to go help out the U.S. attorney's office in Minnesota.
5:08Why? because there's only about five or six people left there. Most of the office and all of its leadership has walked out the door. Things are so bad in Minnesota's U.S. Attorney's Office where the U.S. Attorney, all senior leadership walked out the door that during a discussion with Greg Bovino, who's now of course departed from Minneapolis, Minnesota, but he was head of Border Patrol, He actually thought it was okay to make fun of the religion of the replacement U.S. attorney, who happens to be Orthodox Jewish, talking about him being the chosen people and complaining about him not being available on the Sabbath to talk to Greg Bovino.
5:53That's how morale's doing in that U.S. attorney's office that Julie Lee is working for. Now we fast forward to this beleaguered batch of lawyers trying to run around with putting their fingers in the dike if they can. And now you've got Julie Lee in court with Judge Blackwell. And Judge Blackwell has five cases out of the hundreds of what we call writ of habeas corpus. That's people who are languishing without due process in detention centers, ICE detention centers, trying to get before federal judges. And orders have been violated over and over and over again, which leads to this exchange as reported by local reporters.
6:36Julie Lee says, we have no guidance or direction on what we need to do. She says, this is to the federal judge. She says, the system sucks. This job sucks. I'm trying with every breath I have to get you what I need. She talks about the office being depleted. She talks about the fact that, of course, they're not getting any guidance. And, of course, the judge fires back with his own expression of frustration that this is of your own making because of noncompliance with my orders. I mean, she's basically in tears. She admitted in court that it's been like pulling teeth to get ICE to comply with the court orders and has required nonstop work in an already depleted office, which is why she wants to be sent to Federal Detention Center to sleep.
7:34Now, all jocularity aside, I feel for Julie Lee. I assume she didn't think that she was going to be doing immoral things and being an officer of the court, having to look a judge in the eye and say, we're violating orders because we don't have the manpower, we're running ragged, we don't have the people, and we don't have the institutional focus, and I can't get my client to abide by court orders. I doubt that's why she signed up for this gig. She worked in immigration court representing ICE. That's a thankless job to begin with. She decided to go from the frying pan into the fire and ends up before a not an immigration court judge.
8:14See, where she was working, everybody worked for the Trump administration. Get it? In immigration, immigration judges, despite their name, are really just agents of the Trump administration, the Department of Justice. They work for the Department of Justice on the executive side. They're not Article III judges under the Constitution. They're not impartial. They're not neutral. They work for the big man in the White House. She works for ICE. So she works for Trump. The judge works for Trump. Everybody works for Trump except for the lawyer and the poor migrant that's sitting in immigration court.
8:49That's the world she came out of. Now she's in the world of Article III judges, where she does not regularly practice. And I guess she's literally throwing herself on the mercy of the court.
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10:13But this should come as no surprise. What we are watching is Minnesota under siege in the streets of Minnesota? Yes. That's Border Patrol and ICE wearing body cams now, apparently, and how they are, how do I put this nicely, interacting with First Amendment protesters, U.S. citizens, legally here people, and migrants. That's stressing the system as law enforcement and the National Guard try to figure out how to protect Minnesotans from their own federal government. In the courts, though, and this doesn't get covered enough, you've got federal judges who You have to handle dozens and dozens of habeas corpus petitions for the hundreds and thousands of people that have been picked up off the street by ICE.
10:55They have to get processed. They have lawyers, or hopefully they get lawyers. And those lawyers file petitions to get before federal judges. You think it's equivalent to, remember in Jan 6th, all the D.C. district court judges, federal, that each one of them had dozens and dozens of the couple of thousand Jan Sixers who attacked the Capitol. Those all ended up in a giant grind at the court system. Same thing's going on in Minnesota. And they're not ready to handle this. This is not a giant district of judges compared to other districts. So you have a beleaguered underwater U.S. attorney's office.
11:34I mean, I'm not asking for sympathy, although I am using Julie Lee as somebody who's a victim here, if you will. I've got federal judges who aren't prepared for this. and it's all coming to a head. This is why Chief Judge Schiltz wrote his order, just extraordinary order, just four days ago, in which he said, I'm going to start holding people in contempt. Here's what Judge Schiltz said. He's the chief judge of the whole darn thing. He said, the court warns ICE that future noncompliance with court orders may result in future show cause orders requiring the personal appearance of Todd Lyons, the head of ICE, or other government officials.
12:13That's exactly what the Trump administration doesn't want to do. And a weeping Julie Lee, although she's the canary in the coal mine, as far as I'm concerned, is not helping the Department of Justice get out from under the ire of Judge Schultz. You know? And credit to Judge Blackwell. I mean, look, he's not going to pull out a giant tissue box. He said what is obvious. This is a problem of the Department of Justice's own making. Nobody wants to work there. Everybody has quit. Maybe if they were properly investigating in collaboration with state officials, the execution, summary execution of Renee Good and Alex Preddy, they're not the only ones.
12:54There's dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of people who have been killed related to their interaction with ICE, whether in detention or on the streets. Since Donald Trump has started, 38 less people, and they're not all illegal migrants, child rapists,
13:13or human smugglers or drug dealers or narco-terrorists, which is what they always want to tell you. And that's not the case at all. So we'll continue to follow the apparent meltdown of the Department of Justice, at least in Minnesota, because look at the guidance. Do I think it's any coincidence that Julie Lee's meltdown in court came just several hours after Pam Bondi decided to spend more time in Minnesota? I don't think so. But I'm sure my next report is she got canned, she got fired for telling the truth, and I hope she gets some sleep. And Julie, when you get fired and you want to come on, might as touch on Legal AF, give us a call.
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A DOJ attorney broke down in tears in Minnesota federal court today, declared that her job and the system “sucks,” and begged Fed Judge Blackwell to throw her in jail for contempt because she can’t get her client ICE to abide by the court’s orders, and she desperately needs sleep. And she volunteered for this job no less! Popok reports on ICE breaking the law and federal court orders, and what the Court system and Chief Judge are prepared to do about it.
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