Legal AF Full Episode 1/7/2025

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32:51So Georgia, to help Donald Trump several months ago,

32:57Michael Popok:passed a statute that allows people who were, I don't know, prosecuted unfairly to try to get attorney's fees. It was made for Donald Trump, obviously, by, you know, it's a red state, you know, even though we try to make it purple and blue, it's a red state, the legislature's red, the governor's red. And so they passed it, and it kind of slipped under the radar. We were like, well, that's interesting. But now we know why, right on time. Steve Sadow, the local lawyer in Georgia, for Donald Trump, filed an application or a motion to be supported, I guess, by an affidavit showing that the lawyers there, and I find this to be hard to believe, the lawyers in Steve Sadow and a couple of other of their lawyers spent$6.2 million to defend that case that never went to trial seems a little high.

33:47Michael Popok:And again, if they're entitled to fees, it's generally reasonable fees if they're entitled to fees at all. But, you know, leave it to Donald Trump, doesn't care about the optics. Basically, the day of Jan 6th, he wants to remind everybody and step on the news cycle. by filing a fee application on purpose for$6.2 million in fee recovery. He's also doing the same thing in the United States government, where he's suing his own government and us as taxpayers for many multiples of that for the Jack Smith prosecutions. That is wending its way through the Federal Tort Claims Act process. And then will eventually become a lawsuit where it'll be Donald Trump versus the United States of America while he's the president of the United States of America.

34:35Michael Popok:What you make about all that, you may want to remind people, Karen, because you were very, very passionate, as we all should be, about the Fonnie Willis takedown by the Supreme Court in Georgia and by even the trial judge there for her doing nothing more than maybe a human resource violation of dating in the workplace certainly didn't impact the evidence against Donald Trump, the RICO conspiracy, or the facts. And just to remind our audience, many people pled guilty to that same indictment. Lawyers were representing Donald Trump. Ken Chesborough pled guilty. Jenna Ellis, guilty. Sidney Powell, guilty.

35:22Michael Popok:Why don't you take it from there? It's disgusting. Interesting. It's one more example of Donald Trump trying to steal money from taxpayers or from average people, because that's where it's coming from, whether it's in his DOJ case where he's suing the federal government, who will, of course, settle with him, right? Because he controls the federal government. He controls the DOJ. So they're going to settle with him. And as you said, this statute in Georgia, I'm sure, was passed specifically for him because normally you can't do that in criminal cases. Normally, prosecutors enjoy prosecutorial immunity and you can't sue them.

35:57And you can't sue them civilly for just doing their job. And so this is very much another way that Donald Trump is going to get rich off the backs of average Americans and the people of Georgia, the people of the United States of America. And when he goes in with his chainsaw and doge, whatever happened to doge, I don't even know if it exists anymore, trying to save all this money. There's no, that is just all fake and just not true. He is going to steal money from your and my pockets every way that he can, just like he's going to steal oil from Venezuela and he's going to steal minerals from Greenland, which is why, for example, I think is why he wants to take Greenland.

36:39And in addition to, it's not about the military, because as you said, Popak, he could just, because of that 1951 agreement, he could put more military there just by asking. I think he wants to steal the natural resources of Greenland as well. And I think you're going to see not just his friends and family getting rich, but himself getting rich off of that, just like he's doing. And he shows you every single day what he's doing and by getting these attorney's fees. So, I mean, it's just, it's appalling and it's disgraceful. And, you know, the Georgia prosecution was a legitimate prosecution. I think there was something like, what was it, 20-something defendants that she brought the sweeping RICO indictment.

37:20If you remember, it was the phone call to the Secretary of State for Georgia, Brad Raffensperger, that Trump called and said, find me 11 ,780 votes. and you know that that was there was no doubt with the fake elector scheme and everything else that went on there that was a sweeping rico in indictment and i think if that case ever went to trial it would have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt beyond any doubt as you said several people already pled guilty and frankly that was not dismissed on the merits that was not dismissed because he was not guilty and frankly there was never even an opportunity to do a presidential immunity analysis because some of that was clearly a campaign, Donald Trump as a candidate, not him as acting in any way as president.

38:10And there was no way that they could even get to that point because of this complete distraction over a workplace relationship, which is all this was. This was not a relationship. There's not a conflict of interest with Fannie Willis having a relationship with, say, defense attorney or a witness or a judge. So those things could be conflicts of interest. This was two very senior people, not a subordinate type of relationship. These were two very senior people having a consensual adult relationship. And somehow that became unmarried. This was not an affair. This was not in any way scandalous and certainly nothing compared to what Donald Trump has been found liable for doing and has been accused of doing by many, many, many, many women.

38:58So the double and triple standard here for a woman prosecutor, a woman of color prosecutor, it's just, it was a whole disgrace. And watching that, watching that, you know, pearl-clutching takedown that everyone did of her, oh my God, you know, she had an affair. She didn't have an affair. She had a relationship with a colleague, which is, frankly, that's where I met my husband at work. It happens. Nothing wrong with it. And we've been married almost 30 years. So I think it's just disgraceful what happened to her and the fact that now he's going to get attorney's fees or try to get attorney's fees, which is literally taking money from the people of Georgia, is just really appalling to me.

39:39And I hope somebody fights that and I hope he doesn't get a dime. Yeah.

39:45Michael Popok:I mean, I think we'll have to fight it in the streets in Georgia. And hopefully these are things that are wake up calls. Yeah. The midterms can't come soon enough. No. I mean, as people, as people, these are all badges. We, in our business, we call it badges of fraud. These are like all badges of dishonesty, the stink of dishonesty, lawlessness, immorality. That is, I mean, he's just, if he was a military general, and these were just medals and badges and ribbons related to his campaigns, that he would just be, he'd be a 12-star general for how corrupt he is. But people have to remember this, which the polls say they are.

40:28Michael Popok:I mean, I'm fascinated. I can't wait to see the polls following Venezuela and Greenland, which I don't think. First of all, MAG is like, what the F? we voted you in for America first to cut back on spending and to put the money into America. Spending is up 8 % over Biden's last year, not down. That's a problem. He hasn't wrapped up wars. He's started them bombing Iran, right? What he's doing to foment the war and keep it prolonged in Russia, Ukraine. Same thing, Gaza, Israel, now attacking Venezuela, which is now a nightmare. You know, there's that weird split screen, unfortunately, about what happened in Venezuela.

41:16Michael Popok:You know, I live in Miami where there's a large Venezuelan population and Venezuelan-American population, and there was immediate celebration, you know, viva Trump and hooray and down with Maduro. I get it. But then they woke up the next morning, literally, to realize that freedom was not being on the march, that their chosen leaders in Edmundo Gonzalez and Maria Carina Machado were being sidelined intentionally by the Trump administration because they obviously wouldn't play ball on the oil deal, in the oil play here for Donald Trump. And then it was like this deflation when they got, when they talked to people in Venezuela who were in country and And they're like, we sleep with one eye open.

42:03Michael Popok:You know, we have a suppression in the streets by the existing regime against protests and First Amendment expression. And all you have is little Marco Rubio saying, we're in control. We have a plan. I don't know why people think we don't have a plan. Yeah, I get the plan. The plan is destabilize Venezuela, cut off its oil supply to Cuba so that Marco Rubio can be a hero because he's always wanted to solve the Cuban problem, which is his ancestral home of his family, and then use that as a springboard. At the same time, apparently the Dunro Doctrine just consists of we control everything in the Western Hemisphere.

42:47Michael Popok:And whatever happens out there, Europe, Asia, you're on your own. We'll fight here. We'll go after our allies here. We'll do things that are illegal and against international law and conventions. And you do you, Putin. You do you, China. in your spheres of influence. So now we've established spheres of influence rather than being the policeman of the world and the leader of the free world. We are no longer, that's not even a phrase you hear people use about Donald Trump. Doesn't even use it about himself. It was until Trump became president, a common sobriquet or title for the president of the United States, the leader of the free world.

43:35Michael Popok:But he doesn't want that. He's not making Venezuela free. He's making the corrupt regime be more responsive to his corrupt instincts and let big oil have their way on taxpayer dollars to benefit Donald Trump and his family, ultimately, as we always know. So what's ironic, Popak, is that by what you just said about how he arrested Maduro and his wife, but then left the vice president in place to take over. Everybody. Right. Let the whole administration take over. What that's going to do is that's going to undermine the prosecution here in New York, because if he was a legitimate ruler, he will have sovereign immunity.

44:25And by not putting in, if he had put in the democratically elected team and basically said this was never a legitimate administration and, you know, but he's basically anointing them and anointing the Maduro regime. And by doing it that way, he is, well, Trump doesn't realize he, I think he's hurting the prosecution of Maduro, who could go free under sovereign immunity.

44:57Michael Popok:I agree. I mean, I did a hot take about the head of state immunity, just similar to the immunity that Trump enjoys. And the more they talk about oil, oil and oil, and less about drug trafficking and machine guns, the more Maduro's team can, and I'm not trying to get Maduro out. I'm just laying out what could happen. different than Manuel Noriega in Panama 36 years ago. Here, it's not regime change. And the more you don't talk about the indictment, which they almost never do now, that's Pam Bondi's not there, FBI's not there, this is a CIA Department of Defense operation along with big oil. And so Maduro can say, this isn't about my criminality.

45:47Michael Popok:I didn't, this is about, they wanted to align Venezuela's political interests with the United States. And then they just play clip, clip, clip, clip, clip, Rubio, Rubio, Rubio, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. That's all they do. And they go, this is about, this is about me being the head of the state. This is not about me. Now, if the government is then going to have to come forward with its proof and its evidence that he lined his pockets and used narco terrorism to put money in his pockets, and maybe they have the goods on Maduro in terms of the money trail of the sale of cocaine and ending up in the pockets of Maduro and all of that.

46:25Michael Popok:But, you know, Trump should be careful about what he says. They can't stop talking. They just have la guerrilla of the mouth, right? They can't stop talking about the mission, the accomplishment, but then it always slips out on Sunday morning talk shows or in press conferences when it's not about freedom. It's not about that. It's about oil. And as you said, I think that helps Maduro in his defense. When we come back, I want to talk to you, Karen, about something that's near and dear to your heart, somebody who's a prosecutor or is acting like they're one. We have the continued impersonation of a U.S.

47:02Michael Popok:attorney by Lindsey Halligan, and judges in the Eastern District of Virginia are tired of it, and they are pissed off. And now we've got a Trump judge, Judge Novak, who's done something about it. So we'll tell people how we got in this mess and what judges are doing to try to get us out of it. And then I want to touch on the Epstein files and the fact that – see, leave that headline up for a minute. See, even that headline's wrong. If the denominator is 2 million, then it's 1%. If the denominator is 5.2 million documents, is what they said a week ago, then it's 0.05 % or less. And that's our issue here.

47:42Michael Popok:Where are the missing documents? Because last week during the holidays, Todd Blanche posted on social media and let it be known that they found not 1 million, they found 5.2 million documents, which represents about 50 million pages that they needed to review with 400 lawyers around the clock, right? But then when they made a filing in front of Judge Engelmeyer in New York, the number shrank in a week. Why? How? Where did they go? We're going to talk about all that when we come back from our break. In the meantime, if you like what's happening on Legal AF, you want to be here for, you know, you see these developing stories.

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51:28Michael Popok:One million two weeks ago, 5.2 million documents during the holidays, and now they tell Judge Engelmeyer in a new filing that it's down to two million. What do you make of this? Well, first of all, anything I say about this would be pure speculation because they aren't explaining. And they really should be the ones to be explaining to the court exactly how many documents there are, what their process is, what they're going through, and how they're going through this and why the numbers keep changing and why they are finding more and more documents. I think part of it is because the prosecutors who worked on the case, in particular Maureen Comey, who worked on the Ghislaine Maxwell case, they fired her because of her last name, certainly not because of her talent and her abilities.

52:19She's widely regarded as a phenomenal prosecutor who everybody respects except Donald Trump. And again, it's because of who her father is. So I'm sure if she were there and she could be a part of this, I'm sure we would have a much clearer, better idea of what's happening. But now they're trying to recreate and figure out what exactly they have. And look, these materials are everything from the FBI and other investigative reports, including local law enforcement who would have investigated crimes, say, in Florida or other places that were reported where these victims reported crimes. things like grand jury materials, interview transcripts.

53:02There's going to be lots of photographs and other types of video and photo evidence that would have been gathered and collected, electronic records and communications like emails. There's probably thousands and thousands of emails or text messages, flight information and logs, people being flown not just on Epstein's private plane, but people who took commercial jets, whether they be the victims or people traveling to be with Epstein. And of course, there's financial records that people are, they're going to be looking at, whether it's receipts or credit cards or bank statements, because you want to corroborate everything someone is saying.

53:48And so there's going to be lots of that kind of material and it's going to be all over the place. If they're investigating other people who were protecting Donald Trump, then there could be accountants records and tax records and that kind of financial records that you're going to look for to see who profited off of this, whether there was any sort of profit motive or, again, financial transactions that took place. So whatever is not classified material, and I can't really imagine why anything would be classified in this investigation. And things that don't reveal who the victims are, unless, of course, they consent to that, that's really the thing that has to be, that they have to do, is they have to protect the victim's identities, whether it's their faces or other addresses, phone numbers, other personal identifying information that has to be redacted.

54:50But they know who the victims are. You could do a quick word search through these documents and it'll pull up every single instance where that particular name is located. And then you redact it and then you look there and see, is there a phone number? Is there an address? Is there an email address? Is there a social media account? You know, all the other things that you would write down when you're talking to somebody. So this isn't, it's not like they're going to go through 10 million documents page by page and, you know, turn the page. They can do this through a lot of it through word searches.

55:21And that's one way that you do it. You can do it through all sorts of ways. You could put in people's phone numbers, email addresses. You can search any way you want and then redact that information out. But I think part of it is, I don't know that they know what they have. And I think part of it's incompetence. Part of it's because, like I said, they fired the people who know what it is. And I think part of it, because it's Donald Trump, and frankly, I think I wouldn't put anything past him. Part of it's going to be to try to protect people that he wants to protect. And maybe they're trying to figure out ways to do that.

55:58So, you know, look, one of the big exceptions to the Epstein Transparency Act, which is you could drive a truck through this exception, is that anything that they identify as part of an ongoing investigation, they don't have to turn over. Well, of course, you're going to see that with any Republicans potentially, right? And only turn over the Democrats, which is what they've already done so far. So let's see if they do the right thing. They asked for, I think it was seven more days to get back to the court. But they better start explaining and start explaining in detail what their process is and why there is these conflicting numbers and why it is that sometimes they think they have 5.2 million records and then somewhere else they have 1 million and somewhere else they have 2 million.

56:49They better start. If I was the judge here, I'd want somebody with information and knowledge to come in and talk about exactly what their process is, what they're doing, what they have, and what they're determining is going to be kept out because they either don't think they have to turn it over or they're choosing not to turn it over or are they redacting things? I'd like to know in detail, if I was the judge, what their process is and really hold their feet to the fire, because this just seems a little disorganized and, frankly, clown car-ish for even the Trump administration.

57:29Michael Popok:I don't know why they just feel like they can just insult the intelligence of federal judges and the American people. We can read. We know the difference between a 5.2 million document number by Todd Blanche and then 2 million ending up in a federal court filing without a footnote that even explains the Delta. And if I'm the judge, I certainly, as you laid out, I'd want to get to the bottom of what appears to be 3.2 million missing Epstein files. No one trusts the Trump administration. We know they didn't review 3.2 million in a week and decide they were redundant or copies or weren't relevant, you know, at all.

58:14Michael Popok:So that didn't happen. So either they had their number wrong before, based on what, that would be the questioning that I would do if I were the judge, how'd you come up with your original 5.2 million? What was that based on? You know, they just blithely list in their filing with Judge Engelmeyer, well, we've looked in these various places, we won't tell you where, and there's mismatch in record keeping systems. So it's been difficult. It's going to take us a little bit longer. But this glaring, you know, 2 million number just sitting on the page, and we're all close to the issues like us on Legal AF and Midas Touch, we look at it, we're like, where's the 3.2 million more documents?

58:54Michael Popok:And, you know, you just can't take them. Even a Department of Justice that didn't have its reputation and credibility and treads, you would still be like, you just said 5.2. How is it 2? And, you know, we had a funny, I'll play the clip here in a minute. We had a funny moment when James Carville joined Legal AF in the Court of History yesterday to talk about Venezuela and other things. And he, I think tongue slightly in cheek, but he gave credit to Legal AF and Court of History for keeping the reporting so trained on Donald Trump about Epstein and the scandal and not letting it die. He thinks that's one of the reasons that Donald Trump in a wag the dog moment went into Venezuela was to change the conversation because you see nobody's talking about Epstein this week.

59:55In fact, let me play that clip, which I thought was sort of a backhanded compliment for the work that we're doing on Legal AF and Court of History.

1:00:05Michael Popok:Let's play that clip. Thank you, Sidney. Thank you, Sean. Love the show. Just before we get started, I think this show bears some responsibility for the Venezuelan incursion. Because I think that this is done in response to Epstein. and no show has brought more Epstein facts alike than the Court of History. And if you just do a word search for the five days before this, how many Epstein references there were, and then five days after that, how many Epstein references there were, this is pretty clear. And in his mind, this worked brilliantly. Yeah, I have a - Yeah, it worked, mission accomplished, as he might say.

1:00:51He's You've completely wrung the story away from Epstein. You have the usual 15 % of Democrats saying, well, this is actually a good move. This is really going to help the United States. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. Maduro is a bad guy. Sherry is a bad guy. What about the other 15 bad guys around the world? John Haskelley - I have a friend in Hollywood who's a famous screenwriter, won an Oscar, And his view is this is going to go so bad that Trump is going to switch to promoting the Epstein files.

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1:04:52Michael Popok:So Karen, first show of the new year. We always love giving you the last words. What are you going to pull together for our audience today? I'm going to say two things. Number one, I have a new second favorite podcast that I want to make a plug for. It's called The Intersection with Michael Popok. And it's phenomenal. And I really think... I forgot that one. But really, really, it's worth, I think, for I want everyone who watches Legal AF, it's something that you should really watch the intersection or listen to it. It's a phenomenal podcast. As I said, it's my second favorite with Legal AF being my first.

1:05:30But I want to end tonight with really thinking about just, again, that video that I watched that Ben posted on Jan 6 about what those officers went through. I just can't get that image out of my head and how terrible. Yeah, exactly. There it is. It is so unbelievable. And what they were going through, through, through that, that, that whole insurrection, I just think is something I just really want to think about and send my thoughts out to all the law enforcement and others, members of Congress, etc., who were traumatized, frankly, and who were heroes and who stood up for democracy. and we're there that day.

1:06:25And I also can't stop thinking about that little six-year-old girl in Minnesota who came home from school today only to be told that she no longer has a mother. And I'm just brokenhearted over that. So, you know, I don't mean to end not on a positive note, but I just, that's where my heart is right now. And I'm sending thoughts and prayers to all of those people. Happy New Year. And we're in this all together because we are a community and we're going to keep fighting together. Thank you. Thank you.

1:06:54Michael Popok:Thank you for doing that. Yeah, sometimes we have to end a little bit on a dour note, but we are together as a community and we appreciate you. Thanks for being here Saturday with Ben Mycelis and me. And thanks for all you do to support what we do. Without it, we would be literally nothing, just people mumbling to ourselves on the subway or on the street over a cup of coffee. But you give us purpose and we really do appreciate you. Shout out to the Midas Mighty and the Legal AFers.

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