Legal AF Full Episode - 10/11/2025

28:49And so they raid his home. And it seems that there are more lawyers interested, at least from the reporting, but you never know. It's all bullshit coming out of this Trump regime that there seems to be at least someone slightly more competent than Halligan who wants to take on the Bolton prosecution. But, you know, who knows? They say a bunch of lies. So let's talk that and then let's quickly pivot into Illinois and Oregon. John Bolton has been a harsh critic of Donald Trump from the inside after he left. He was the national security advisor for Donald Trump. He was the ambassador to the UN for Bush.

29:21And ever since then, he's been out on the trail criticizing Trump, particularly in the 2020 book he wrote, The Room Where It Happens, which Donald Trump hated. He said things like, Donald Trump asked the Chinese to help him get elected in 2020. I mean, you know, right out in front, please buy more soybeans, he told Xi during the G20 summit. And I like, I favor dictators and I like to give them gifts and all sorts of crazy shit that is true, I'm sure, that Donald Trump never liked to see in the public, like promoting internment camps, telling the Chinese, yeah, you should put your ethnic minorities in internment.

30:00Internment camps are good. Things like that, that are completely consistent with what we're hearing now. Donald Trump wants to serve more than two terms. That's all in the book. And how do we know the indictment is all about the book because the search warrant affidavit, which I have up on Legal AF Substack, even though it's redacted, the front and center of the second page of the affidavit from the FBI agent is talking about the book and about the fact that he sent the book in for clearance and the National Security Council said, no, you're using classified information. And he said, I'm not. And they had a lawsuit about it.

30:35And even though there were some comments that were made by Royce Lampert, who was the judge, about it and about John Bolton. He didn't stop the publication, and it was published five years ago. But the new reporting that I'm seeing is that the Trump administration, you can see he doesn't care about Americans or national security. Apparently, they've been spying on a foreign country, and I'll tell you who I think it is. And in spying on the foreign country, they recently spotted John Bolton's hacked emails from his AOL account, which they claim have some classified information in it. They only saw it because they're doing what was then a secret surveillance operation over a third country.

31:24Now, what country has been in the news in the last six months multiple times, including with an indictment, that's been hacking and spying on Americans and government officials, including the Trump administration? Right. China. China is the whether you call it the salt typhoon or or 12 guys getting indicted in New York recently or the hacking of the Verizon accounts or the hacking of AOL. Chinese have been hacking away. And then we just effectively told China because the holdup for the indictment, apparently, is we had to tell the foreign enemy that we've been spying on them so they don't read it in the indictment about how we got the AOL account.

32:04So that's a major problem for Donald Trump. But he's willing to do anything, including sacrifice our national security and tell people like China that we're spying on them in order to get back at John Bolton for having some old top secret classified documents from his 40 years in the government. I mean, that's what his lawyer, Abby Lowell, is saying. He's like, the guy's got stuff that you would normally have if you've been in government for 40 years. Sort of like the Joe Biden boxes that were in his garage, you know, stuff that's stale, that's old. But again, as you said, Ben, it's him going, see, I got indicted in Mar-a-Lago.

32:42Now John Bolton's getting indicted. It wasn't so bad. You know, things like that. Wasting our time and tens of millions of dollars of our money to go after Donald Trump's enemy list. Or as one senator said recently, he's checking all the boxes. They're just all the wrong boxes. And this one is not a Halligan special, just to put it out there. It's a career prosecutor that they found in the Maryland U.S. Attorney's Office who actually has a decent resume. And she told her colleagues that she thinks she's got a way to indict John Bolton. So that's coming. And we'll see the vindictive prosecution, selective prosecution aspects there.

33:24So we've covered, you know, so far, Adam Schiff hasn't yet been indicted, but I think he's got to expect to be indicted as they make their way down the list there. The question is, where is that mortgage fraud? Is that in Virginia or is that in California? If it's in California, good luck getting a prosecutor there to do their bidding, although that hasn't stopped them from before. And then you've got Lisa Cook, the Federal Reserve on the Board of Governors. Are they going to ramp it up here? And are they going to bring some sort of phony frame charges of mortgage fraud against her? I don't put anything past this Department of Justice, which is completely captured by one Donald J.

34:03Trump. Let's talk about what's going on in federal courts across the country now as they have to respond to Donald Trump's invasion of blue states and blue cities and not just using the National Guard within said state to invade said state, but now using the National Guards of other states to invade other states. So in Illinois, we know that Donald Trump activated the Texas National Guard to invade Chicago, Illinois, a red state's army invading a blue state, blue city. Remember all of the don't tread on me crowd, the states rights people? I kind of think that there's a word or a phrase when a certain part of the country invades another part of the country that's just trying to exist and live peaceful, thriving lives.

34:59Now, one of the things I want to just mention here before tossing it over to you, Popak talking about Judge Emmergut, the Trump appointed judge who didn't just issue one, but two injunctions, restraining orders against the Trump regime because Trump violated her first order. And she kept on saying to the Trump lawyer in the DOJ, you do realize that you're an officer of the court. You do realize you have a legal license. You do realize you are in a courtroom right now. I just want you to you are aware of that, I think, setting the predicate for perhaps future actions being taken there. And I think a lot of these DOJ lawyers are making themselves very susceptible to issues regarding their licenses.

35:44I'll just leave it at that. So immigrant, then Judge Perry in federal court in Illinois. boy. But before even kind of even getting there, though, Popak, I just think it's important to reflect on the fact that, you know, you look at a state like a California or these blue states in general, overwhelmingly, they are the states that give, are the donor states. For example, just take California would have the fourth largest GDP in the world if it was a country, fourth largest GDP in the world if it was a country. It's literally subsidizing the existence of the red states. The red states by and large operate like Argentina's Javier Malay or Victor Orban's Hungary.

36:26They're like bankrupted countries that are existing because of subsidies provided by blue states. I mean, that's one of the things that is not lost on me when we have these legal discussions. So California gives$85 billion to the federal government more than it takes, Whereas a red state like Texas takes$75 billion more than it gives. Just want you to think about that when we have these conversations. And then still in Texas, the children who died in the flash floods there have not been, some children have not been found. They have all these issues with their electorate, and they're spending their time sending troops to invade blue states and blue cities as their governor is mocking the physical appearance of the governor of Illinois saying you should do more pushups.

37:22The governor of Texas is Michael Popak. Break it down for us. I will. By the way, they're rebuilding that Christian girls camp on the site of that. There's something about depraved and more immoral. We're rebuilding a Christian girls camp back on the site where dozens died and they haven't found the bodies of some of them yet. But they're trying to reopen for the next summer season. It's really, you know, you see the attacks on moderates and fair-minded people. But look what they actually do when nobody's looking. You have this all come into a head and it's on a rapid track to the United States Supreme Court about Donald Trump commandeering and mobilizing the state militia.

38:06what we call the National Guard in three different places. And I think we're heading for a split decision between two different appellate courts, one in your neck of the woods and one in Illinois. It started off last Saturday and Sunday with rulings by Judge Immergut in the Portland, Oregon, who took a look outside her window and said, I don't see a rebellion. I don't see domestic violence. I see 50 people, 20 people in chicken suits. I mean, this is my paraphrase. And I'm not going to accept the facts as alleged by the Trump administration as justification under a statute that he has to comply with called 12406 about taking over and commandeering the National Guard.

38:53Now, let me just step back for a minute, whether it's Chicago or it's Portland or it's D.C. This is not about Donald Trump. There's two worlds going on here. There's the political world of Stephen Miller and Donald Trump and Christine Noem and all the cosplay going on there, which is we're, as his poll numbers sink like down to the 30s, we're tough. We're going to crush democratic dissent, okay? Which we're going to define as disloyalty. We're going to crush Antifa, meaning Democrats. We're going to call Democrats a terrorist organization, and we're going to crush free speech because we've got all the power.

39:42And to paraphrase Stephen Miller, what do they have? Hopefully the Constitution and the law, as Judge Young set up in Massachusetts recently in his decision, all I've got is the majesty of the Constitution. The reality is none of that is happening. They're just spending and wasting a billion dollars or more of taxpayer dollars to do a cosplay show of force where they end up shoving the National Guard into vans overnight and having them sleep outside of ICE facilities when they have nothing to do because there's nothing to do. They go out and do these cosplay show of forces through parks and through neighborhoods or rappel down from helicopters in Section 8 housing areas just to show the black op helicopters are here or they pick up litter.

40:39What they're not doing, other than standing in front of federal buildings that don't need their help, is doing anything that the Trump side is telling MAGA that they are doing. And the federal judges know it. The federal judges are like, look, I'm not going to give you deference on facts because I don't trust, as Judge Perry just said in her most recent order in Chicago, I don't trust a word that is being filed under sworn testimony by the Trump administration. I find it to be not credible about the justification for sending in the troops or mobilizing the troops. So Judge Immergut cited to the founding fathers and the framers.

41:24Judge Perry cited to it in Illinois yesterday. And what they're saying is this. Our entire, the bedrock for our entire constitutional republic and our system of federalism presupposes that the federal president will never use a standing army against the states, violate their sovereignty. and take away the people's rights. It's the reason we left England. It's in the Declaration of Independence. The roving bands of standing army of King George is one of the major impetuses for the colonials to fight back and win independence. So whether you cite to Alexander Hamilton in the Federalist Papers, or you cite to the Constitution or different things, there's a delicate balance that keeps, And as Judge Immergut put it, an overgrown president from using a standing army, in this case, the militia or the military, against the American people, which is the road to tyranny.

42:33Actually, you've already arrived at tyranny at that point. So you've got the Judge Immerguts of the world, a Trump appointee, Judge Perry, who is a Biden appointee, and two days before her, Judge Ellis in Illinois, all coming together and saying, you can't crush First Amendment expression. You can't use the mighty weight of the lethality of the military against law and for against journalists and against religious figures, clergymen and other First Amendment protesters on the streets of Illinois or anywhere else, effectively. And Judge Perry going one further and doing, in her opinion, about how this country was founded, citing back to Alexander Hamilton and saying, state sovereignty and protecting against the tyrannical instincts of an out-of-control president is at the base of our constitutional system.

43:32And no, you can't based on the facts that you've alleged that I don't even believe because I can see the counter facts for myself and as presented by the Chicago and Illinois. I'm not going to let you commandeer the National Guard or send in troops from other from other states into Illinois or anywhere else. In the meantime, the Ninth Circuit, which is over California and Oregon, wasn't a great hearing. I mean, we don't blow smoke or sunshine on Legal AF. Two Trumpers, because that Ninth Circuit, unfortunately, is becoming more. One third of the judges on there are now Trump appointees from the first term.

44:10And when they get them together and if in two or more bad things happen and they were very fiery hot bench against the advocate for Oregon and basically saying we have to believe everything the president says. We have to believe him on the facts. 200 protesters sounds like a lot. And we, you know, and we need to just because some of this stuff happened a year ago or eight months ago doesn't mean that he's precluded from bringing in the National Guard. Now, that's going to be a bad ruling coming out of the Ninth Circuit, consistent with a ruling that we didn't love about Gavin Newsom and the use of troops in California.

44:48So we got two bad rulings against our constitutional republic coming out of the Ninth Circuit of all places. Then the Sixth Circuit is going to have an emergency appeal related to these two new orders by Judge Perry and Judge Ellis about the National Guard's use. And so if the Sixth Circuit says, yeah, this is an out-of-control, overgrown president that's violating the basic foundational precepts of our constitutional republic, and the Ninth Circuit says something different, we're going to be up to the United States Supreme Court on an emergency application very, very soon. likely, I would think, sometime in early November.

45:25And then what do you think happens from there, Ben? I think you'll have a full briefing. I think it won't be decided until 2026. I mean, I think the I think, you know, but ultimately, who knows what this right wing? Do they block the order and let the Illinois troops take let Trump take over Illinois troops in the meantime? Probably. What they seem to have been doing on all of these cases is procedurally staying the district court's order pending, except in the rare exception of Lisa Cook from the Board of Governors. What they seem to have been doing is staying with the district court does, allowing the status quo as Trump defines the status quo to take place, and then ultimately hearing oral arguments, although I think they'll take it on an expedited basis.

46:17But that seems to be, unfortunately, what they do every single time. ultimately when they hear the matter on the merits, you know, what'll be interesting is that there's been a different factual analysis, right? And what the federal judges in Oregon and Illinois stressed that I think was a little bit different from the factual record before the California Court of Appeals, you know, perhaps is the, what are you talking like? Those judges made a painstaking effort to describe what was actually happening on the ground in ways that I don't think was developed simply because California went first and this was uncharted legal territory.

47:04So I think California went in with this view of, isn't this obvious that this statute can't possibly apply? This isn't like an insurrection or a rebellion or obviously the president's unable not unable to otherwise effectuate the laws. But then it seems that it's like, all right, I guess we're going to have to give more more information and more data about why this should be handled by law enforcement. And I think if California had the opportunity to do it again, I think they would have briefed it a little bit differently. But I think they've learned from that briefing. And California did a great job, I think, in the briefing with Oregon over the use of the California troops in Oregon.

47:45But again, just you pull back, we're talking about the president of the United States using national guards from other states to invade to invade areas. And, you know, you know, in the Midas Touch Network, almost every day I do a video, I call it my all hell breaks loose series, where we talk about and I show the videos and the photos of what's going down on our streets with these ICE agents who are holding assault rifles and weapons, weapons of war out their windows and invading American cities. So Donald Trump wants to brag that he should get a Nobel Peace Prize, but dude is invading American cities.

48:21He's declared war within America to try to topple our democracy. So we'll talk about when we get back, though, I want to talk about, you know, Pam Bondi sits at the head of the DOJ while all of this is going on. She had a awful appearance before the Senate. And then let's talk briefly about Ghislaine Maxwell's appeal and what happens next there. I want to remind everybody that Michael Popak's law firm, the Popak firm, open for biz. If you or anybody you know has been injured in an auto accident, a trucking accident, a car accident, you've been the victim of somebody else's negligence. If you know someone who's been in a wrongful death case or has been in a wrongful death situation, call 877-POPOC-AF, 877-POPOC-AF, or go to thepopocfirm.com.

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52:28Michael Popok:Again, that's trymiracle.com slash legal AF to treat yourself. Thank you, Miracle Made, for sponsoring this episode. Michael Popak, welcome back. Everybody from watching, listening to Legal AF. Popak, let's get into it right away. I want to talk about Pam Bondi. Don't like her appearance before the Senate was like a year ago. I was truly shocked that this was earlier this week. I was like, was this this past week? Why does it feel like it happened literally another lifetime of mine with all of the news that's happening? Nope, it happened this past week. We cover what happens this week. I think it's important that we talk about her posture, her behavior.

53:08One of the things that we know also from The Wall Street Journal reporting is that when Donald Trump sent that message, Pam, I need you to indict Schiff, Letitia James and James Comey and my other enemies, this is hurting my reputation. Trump thought that he was sending that via direct message to her on the Truth Social app. So that's how he communicates with her, apparently, via Truth Social direct message. I think that could become a major issue of discovery in the vindictive and selective prosecutions and outrageous government abuse cases and in the future. And I think, you know, Pam Bondi does not have absolute immunity, unlike Donald Trump.

53:46And by her carrying out these orders by Donald Trump, either expressly or impliedly leading this department and not taking, you know, corrective action, ratifying the behavior. I mean, I think she puts herself personally in very precarious situations in the future. And, you know, normally you show up at a House Oversight Committee as the attorney general and you answer the questions and you behave like an adult. I mean, her behavior here just speaks to a very low character individual. I mean, just who behaves setting aside a lawyer, you know, and when lawyers are supposed to all humans. But like lawyers, we take moral character exams.

54:27We have to renew our moral character exams frequently. You know, you show up at a House Oversight Committee and you behave like like a petulant child, just embarrassing. I want to get your take on it, Popak. But let me just show you some highlights just to remind our viewers. Here we have a Democratic senator from Illinois, Dick Durbin, on the Epstein files. She goes, I'm not going to answer anything about that. Here, play this clip. The quarrel with you is to read somebody that you mentioned I never heard of. Reid Hoffman. So who gave the order to flag records related to President Trump?

55:04To flag records for President Trump? To flag any records which included his name. I'm not going to discuss anything about that with you, Senator. Eventually you're going to have to answer for your conduct in this. You won't do it today, but eventually you will. I yield, Mr. Chairman. Exactly. I mean, I'm not going to do that. Well, what do you mean? You told him that his name was on the Epstein files. There's nothing privileged about, you know, you saying that it exists. Just you're not going to say anything about that. Oh, the most transparent administration ever. We're talking about covering up for a pedo sex trafficking ring to God.

55:44How about this? Senator Welch examining Pam Bondi on the$50 ,000 to Tom Homan in cash in a restaurant bag from a restaurant called Cava. It's a good restaurant, by the way. I like it. Here, play this clip. You realize that? I do want to go back to Homan. You know, there's a tape, right, with Mr. Homan? I mean, first of all, is there a tape that has audio and video of the transfer of the$50 ,000? You would have to talk to Director Patel about that. No, I'm talking to you. I don't know the answer, Senator. You do know the answer to that. Don't call me a liar. I didn't call you a liar. You just said I know the answer.

56:23I said I don't know the answer. So you have to talk to Director Patel. What I said is that investigation was closed. If you don't know, why don't you know whether there was a tape and video? Senator, I believe that was resolved prior to my confirmation as Attorney General. Do you think that it is of public interest for the people to know what happened to the 50 grand that the FBI turned over to Homan? Did you hear what I just said? That was resolved prior to my confirmation as attorney general. That's why I said I would not know. It's not resolved. There's$50 ,000. Homan has it or somebody has it.

57:04Do you have no interest in knowing where it is? You're not going to sit here and slander Tom Homan. The FBI and Deputy Director Blanche said there was nothing. I'm not slamming Tom Homan. He got the$50 ,000. How do you know that? Tom Homan is doing a great job, as our borders are, keeping your border state safe. You're a border state. Thank you. Keeping your border state safe from Canada. Okay. All right. All right. Listen, listen. Bondi obviously is on thin ice with the Trump presidency. I'm not buying completely that the DM message went public by accident. First of all, that raises public records and presidential records issues about how they're communicating.

57:55I thought we're using Signal and we're using DMs on Truth Social again. He's not allowed to do that. He's not supposed to do that. We'll save that for another hot take. But she has been on thin ice since the beginning about how she's been handling the Epstein files. And while there might have been some high-fiving and whooping it up in the Stephen Miller world about her, yeah, you got Antifa in there. They're playing bingo of some sort. Yeah, you got to call out Richard Blumenthal about some plagiarism charge. Yeah, you took umbrage at having oversight over you. And you can even hear her in the audio scoffing.

58:33That's the best word for it, when even asked a question. Like when Tom Holman is raised by the Oversight Committee, the Judiciary Committee, you hear her in the background and go, ah, ah. It's just like she's so put upon. She's so smarmy in the approach to this. This is a woman, a person who sat in her confirmation hearing with many of these same people and said out loud and lied to their face. Yes, you're a liar, Pam Bondi. I'll call you out. And lied to their face that you would be an independent attorney general, that you would not let your independence be compromised by Donald Trump. And all we have watched since your confirmation is you be the most corrupt attorney general in history.

59:16And that's saying a lot since Ehrlichman went to jail for 17 months under Richard Nixon. You've completely been captured and allowed yourself to be captured by Donald Trump, who frequently declares that he is, not you, the chief law enforcement officer of this country. You take your marching orders from Stephen Miller. You take your marching orders from Donald Trump, and then you take umbrage when you're called out on the carpet by people who have been put into power and under our Constitution have the right to ask you questions about the job that you're doing or not doing. On Homan, let's just take Homan, for example.

59:53Tom Homan has never denied taking the bribe. Tom Homan has never denied taking the bribe. There is a video we know exists because it's been leaked that it exists. Democracy Forward, who's with us on Legal AF, has already filed the lawsuit to get the Tom Homan bribe video, let's call it what it is, from the Department of Justice. They rejected a Freedom of Information Act request. It's now gone into a lawsuit as the Senate and House Democrats also seek the Tom Homan video of the Cava. I agree with you. Great place. No, they're not. They didn't pay us to do the promotion. a paper bag. I mean, this was not a lot of moving parts in this bribery scandal.

1:00:36This was like ab scam from the from the 70s and 80s. You shove cash in a bag. You tell the official, hey, when you get back into office, can you help us get federal contracts? He says, I'll take the money and I'll see what I'll do. He even said he put it in escrow. He was going to hold it till the end of his administration after he got back into office. I don't care. And the American people and certainly the Senate Democrats and the Judiciary Committee don't care that Todd Blanch has blessed the bribery or that Kash Patel, who is himself corrupt, has exonerated Tom Homan. That will be left for a future prosecution of Tom Homan, whether state or federal, should he get an immunity or not.

1:01:22Pam Bondi and Lindsey Halligan better watch their law licenses. I've done a hot take about how Lindsey Halligan is, has not, it's gone beyond jeopardized her Florida bar license. She took a job, the prosecutor position, that she knew she was not qualified for. That already violates several bar rules about taking matters, knowing or should knowing that you're not competent to perform that position. She's compromised, and this all applies to Pam Bondi as well. She's compromised her independent judgment, taking marching orders from her client, which is Donald Trump. Same can be said for Pam Bondi.

1:02:03The fact that the Florida bar has already indicated that they're not going to do anything until these people are out of office doesn't mean that one day when they're out of office, they're not going to be subject to bar. And Donald Trump can't bail them out of losing their bar licenses. So Pam Bondi, who said to these same people under oath, I will be your most independent and transparent member of the department, head of the Department of Justice. And she's chagrined when she's called out for things that indicate the exact opposite. And I don't think she covered herself in any glory. I think it's going to go downhill from here.

1:02:36Just as Cory Booker said to Kash Patel, I don't think I'm going to be seeing you at many of these oversight committee meetings or hearings. I think you're not long for your position. I think the same thing about Pam Bondi and the fact that she's starting to lose control, like it's spinning out of control within the Department of Justice with Lindsay Halligan getting indictments that Pam Bondi didn't know about and and leaked, not leaked social media posts to her that this is not going to be. looking good for pam and i and donald trump hates losers right and he can't think that what just went on there in her performance it was the sign of a winner that looks like somebody i mean you and i thought she was an idiot i mean there's no other way to put it when we saw her performance as an impeachment defense lawyer for donald trump where she couldn't even read out of her binder to make her case.

1:03:31They spent a lot of time going after Kamala Harris saying that nothing that comes out of her mouth is everything is word salad. Everything that comes out of Pam Bondi's mouth is a word salad that makes absolutely no sense. She never, I don't think it's because she doesn't want to answer the question. I think she can't form a sentence and that does not bode well for her future in the office. And I'll just leave it on this besides the Pam Bondi thing. Pam Bondi had the brass ones, to hold a wasteful, yet another press conference about Benny Johnson, the podcaster, having a death threat against him and a huge news conference about the weight of the federal government.

1:04:10The Department of Justice is going to go after it, get to the bottom, so we prevent another Charlie Kirk moment. Where is the press conference about the South Carolina judge's house who burnt down to the ground? Where is the press conference about Josh Stein, the governor of Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro, and the governor of Pennsylvania and his house being set on fire? Where is any press conference about going against anyone that is not a right-wing MAGA person? Where is the other side of America, the 60 % side of America, that rejects Trumpism and MAGAism? Where are those press conferences? I ask that rhetorically.

1:04:51Absolutely. My friend Don Winslow posted the following this past week, which resonated with me and I'm sure with our viewers and listeners. He says they want to go after, quote, Antifa because it has no leader, no organization, no bank accounts. This way they can say anyone is Antifa. This way they can do anything they want. That's it. That's the whole Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, Antifa fantasy. It's to go after you. And you already see that the Bondi's and the Christie gnomes and the main talking point coming out of the White House. Now, I want to preview this as we conclude the show is that the No Kings protests taking place next week represents the pro Antifa, pro Hamas wing of the party.

1:05:34So when we see tens of millions of people out there peacefully protesting in what I think will be one of the most powerful showings in the history of the United. I think it'll be the biggest mass mobilization in the history of the United States. they're going to say, oh, this is pro Hamas, pro Antifa and be alert. They're going to start ratcheting up that language as well in the lead up, because that's going to make Donald Trump feel absolutely small to see the numbers of which we're all going to be out there peacefully protesting. Don't let them discourage you by coming up with all of those fear tactics.

1:06:14We're in this together. I do think Popak, there's both. I think she does not want to talk about these things. Plus, she is also not great at it also. So I'll say I think it's a combination of both things. and then I think though Trump liked her performance though where I'd slightly disagree because she wrote she got the clips that he wanted where she wrote the lines about the Democrats well you are Antifa just so they run those on Fox you sir you lied about your military record you know she had the line for each person and then Fox plays those and that's all Donald Trump watches so I don't think he watched the hearings he didn't see how bad she was The American people did, but the clips are what they wanted over there.

1:07:05All right. Before we go, though, just very, very, very briefly, Delaine Maxwell's appeal was denied by the United States Supreme Court. It's what's called a certiorari petition, meaning that she's out of appeals. Her case is done. She can try to file now a writ of habeas corpus to the district court. In other words, anyone has the right to file a writ of habeas corpus. There's new information. I'm actually I'm Donald Trump saying it's a hoax. So there's new information out there. What's your speculation? You do it with Harry. Like, what's your speculation about the DOJ inviting it and wanting to help her?

1:07:42Well, I mean, I think that she is going to argue the FBI and Trump said my case is a hoax, that they claim that James Comey, the father of the main prosecutor, Maureen Comey, was involved in tampering with my file. Trump and the FBI have made statements that there was manipulation by Biden in my file. And I would just say this in any other normal time, that would be enough to usually give somebody a habeas. Hell, the head of the FBI, the number one person, you know, and the president of the United States are talking about a specific case and calling it a hoax. Of course, in normal times, you'd be like, that must be a pretty significant showing.

1:08:31I mean, a president. But now everyone's like, I think all the federal judges will be like, OK, Trump just says things. His words don't matter. Do you think this goes back to Judge Reitmeyer, who took over for Judge Nathan? Or does it go, her writ of habeas corpus is now in, oh, here we go. Her writ of habeas corpus is now coming out of Texas because she's in Texas. And it's actually an interesting point now. Will she have to file it in Texas? The jurisdiction question is one that even if I drill down on, I think it's a great point. She may try to file it in Texas now and say I'm under the Texas jurisdiction.

1:09:13But I still think it's all I think it's in the underlying case where it was brought, though. I think it's in the Southern District. I agree with you. But but but it's an interesting we'll do it on another hot take was one of the reasons that they sent her to Texas is because any because knowing she'd be filing future proceedings, they wanted a friendly Texas red judge. or just to even try to make the argument, even if it struck down and create some division between the federal judges. But in any event, she's out of appeals. Democrats in the House Oversight Committee are demanding that her deposition be taken now because she was using the appeal as grounds for saying that she didn't want to be deposed.

1:09:53Ultimately, I think she's going to invoke her Fifth Amendment rights anyway, even if she's deposed by the House Oversight Committee. And you're going to say, well, she didn't invoke her Fifth Amendment right when she was speaking to Todd Blanche, Donald Trump, former personal lawyer, term number two at the deal. That's true. Everything about this reeks. I mean, there's other clips where Pam Bondi was asked during that hearing. Are there photographs that you've seen of Donald Trump with little girls that are in the folder? because Michael Wolff, Donald Trump's biographer, the guy was going to be Epstein's biographer, said that he saw photos of girls of indeterminate age, unclear what their age was, if they were over the age of 18 or not, naked with Donald Trump, but he had a stain on his pants that Epstein said he kept it, according to Wolff, that Epstein said kept in his safe.

1:10:38And that was that something that you saw. And then she said, I'm not answering any questions. So again, just that's not something that's subject to executive privilege. Like that's not something that you can just say, I'm not answering. So we, the people have to show up on no kinks, right? I mean, we, the people have to take the power back peacefully and we, we have to be the answers that we've been looking for. It's great to see governors like Newsom and Pritzker and Kotech and others across the country standing up. It's great to see. I think finally we're seeing Democrats in the House and Senate pushing back and exposing what this shutdown is all about, Trump ripping away people's health care.

1:11:19I liked, I'm like, damn, okay, that's the Jeffries I've been looking for. That's even sooner. I mean, recently, you know, I've been very critical, but I've been like, all right, let's go. Let's go. You know, it's now or never because our democracy is on the line. And that's how we conduct ourselves here on Legal AF. So I want to remind everybody, Michael Popak's law firm is representing a lot of people who listen and watch Legal AF. So if you have a case or you think you have a case because you've been injured in a car accident, an auto accident as a result of the negligence of others, call 877-POPOC-AF, 877-POPOC-AF, or go to thepopocfirm.com.

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