Legal AF Full Episode - 11/16/2025

31:14This is different and distinct from what's the Epstein files, although my guess would be in the Epstein files that the DOJ has because the FBI did reviews and analysis of the computers and the email accounts and took all of that as evidence. My guess is that a lot of these emails are in the files also, but the files are terabytes and terabytes of information. So to me, these emails would still be a very small subset of the damaging information in the file. So as this graphic shows, I'll read it to our audio listeners. The Democrats on the oversight committee released three. They could have released all 20 ,000, but the Democrats released three ones right away from their official account.

32:04And it showed that Epstein told Ghislaine Maxwell that Donald Trump spent hours at my house, knew about the girls, and he's the dog that hasn't barked yet. Notable timeframe of that one is in 2011. The other messages were back and forth with Michael Wolff, who's been on the Midas Touch Network. And Wolf has basically said to him in this back and forth that, like, you have the information to take him down. Why don't you just come out with the information and let people know about it? And Ghislaine Maxwell was on that 2011 email with Epstein. So then the Republicans, we'll get into it, I think because they wanted to stop a situation where Democrats would release a few every day from here on out, they just released all of the 20 ,000 and they knew how devastating it was going to be because the Democrats could have released all 20 ,000.

33:00The Democrats in the House oversight just did those three. And then as we saw the other emails released throughout the day, they were just like they were even worse than those three. So you may be saying, well, why the Democrats only released those three? I think it's because they were saving the other ones for later. And then the Republicans do that. And then that's why they released all 20 ,000. Go back to that last graphic, though, where you have memes being sent between Epstein and his brother saying, would you trust this man with your daughter? And it's a photo of Donald Trump. So the head of the largest child sex trafficking ring in world history is sending images of Donald Trump saying, would you trust this man with your daughter?

33:43So you take a look at the 23 ,000 plus emails that the state turned over to the House Oversight Committee, thanks to the great work of the Democrats who were able to get those emails. I think there's like 2 ,300 email threads. I think the exact number, I may have overstated it by a few hundred before, but who's counting? I guess I'm counting. But more than half of the email threads have Donald Trump's name on it. And when you go through these emails, I mean, there's just some really, really kind of bad stuff on there. I mean, you have this one email where it talks about Epstein being close with Steve Bannon still.

34:25Epstein and his brother, Epstein's like to the brother, all good. Bannon is with me. And then Mark Epstein, Epstein's brother says, ask him, I guess saying Bannon, ask him if Putin has the photos of Trump blowing Bubba. Is Bubba Bill Clinton? Is Trump blowing people? What does that even mean? You have emails that go back and forth where Epstein writes to his lawyers back in 2012, have one of your cronies asked to see the mortgage to Mar-a-Lago, cash from electricians union. That was the bag man, later made an exec at the public company, and the$30 million loan from the casino to Donald Trump, backdated.

35:11Seems to be a lot of intimate knowledge of how Trump was moving money around. There's this email from 2019. This was a few months before Epstein gets ultimately arrested, indicted, and dies. He sends this email to himself first, and then he sends it to Michael Wolff. And this is consistent with what Michael Wolff reported on the Midas Touch Network. Wolff didn't say that it was in an email, right? But Wolff 100 % said what Epstein told him. I mean, he was an accurate historian of what Epstein told him about the 2004 purchase by Donald Trump of the Abe Gossman WPB West Palm Beach home for$40 million that Epstein was going to buy for$30 million.

36:01And Epstein was the stalking horse bidder at$36 million, which means that if someone bought it for more, Epstein would get a fee for being able to go up to$36 million. Then he talks about Rybalov in this email, the Russian oligarch who then bought the house from Trump a few years later for$95 million. And then Epstein's talking about in his email how Donald Trump likely avoided paying capital gains taxes on the sale by saying that he did$20 to$30 million in renovations. And I mean, it's a very, very detailed stuff. And that also confirms that August 23rd, 2007 email between Ghislaine and Jeffrey Epstein, where they talk about you have to assume they, being the feds, went to Donald Trump, then Gossman, the docs in WPB, Pascal, et cetera, which Michael Popak and I have, we've always analyzed that and said that's referring to that property that Rybalov bought from Trump with that 50 million profit or capital gains that would be added.

37:06So I think we were spot on in the analysis there. Then there's also messages about Epstein saying in emails right before the Helsinki meeting between Putin and Trump that he had been advising the Russian government on how to deal with Donald Trump, one of several cases in which he wielded his connections to try to influence the course of foreign affairs. And Epstein says, look, I've been giving advice to Vitaly Chutkin about Trump, another Russian oligarch, but he died. Let me help Sergei Lavrov out before the Helsinki meeting. This took place about a month before Helsinki. And so it raises questions, right?

37:44Was Epstein providing compromise to the Russians about Donald Trump? Was he the source of that? And was he getting paid for that? Was that one of the ways he was making money? I'll remind you all that when Ghislaine Maxwell was interviewed by Todd Blanche, Donald Trump's former criminal defense attorney, turned deputy attorney general, the number two at the DOJ. Just to remind you, here's what she said during the interview. It's an audio recording. I don't recall ever seeing him in his house, for instance. I actually never saw the president in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in any way.

38:24The president was never inappropriate with anybody. In the times that I was with him, he was a gentleman in all respects. Michael Popok, Michael Popok, where do we begin? I mean, you know, if you were to tell me Russians, all the other stuff, you know, there's Epstein's, you don't realize how dirty he, he's a dirty man, Epstein says, dirty Don doing that, you know, talks about other instances with young people, unclear their ages and the Trump running into walls because he was chasing the girls. Like, like, like you, you don't really get, uh, you don't, you don't really get worse than the, I mean, there's probably worse than the files, but this is bad.

39:06This is bad stuff. Yeah. And let me, let me pick up from there. You did such a great detailed job of a lot of these emails, the 5 ,000 foot level is that this very small, maybe less than 10%, less than 10 % of what is in what we refer to as the Epstein cover-up files that are with Donald Trump, that are with his Department of Justice, that are with his FBI, that alone, if that was just what we call an audit, where you don't look at every document, but you take like a little dipstick and you go, oh, let me just put my hand in here and see what this is all about. Whoa, that alone from what was the three that the Democrats and the oversight, MAGA too, House Oversight Committee, three leaked out, putting a lie right away in a very succinct way to Donald Trump's constant new refrain that he had no real relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

40:07He didn't know anything about the girl. and to put a lie to Ghislaine Maxwell's testimony. But let me back up for a minute. Why did this all happen this week? Reopening of the government, sure. Donald Trump thought that the rotting body of the Epstein scandal in his closet would somehow not be there when the government reopened. And it is, and it reignited, and it blew back up in his face because he's not leveling with the American people. The David Schuster's report from four days ago is that people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who Donald Trump has now renounced, and Boebert and Massey and others were given a briefing by the Department of Justice, probably similar to the one that Pam Bondi gave in May to Donald Trump.

41:00And we're told that the Epstein files that the DOJ and FBI do have are worse for Donald Trump than that were first suspected. So you have that. You have Donald Trump not working for America on the return of the government. His first order of business was to shove Lauren Boebert into the situation room and have her be abused by Pam Bondi and Kash Patel and others to convince her not to sign or not to support the discharge petition to get the Epstein release of files bill to the House floor, which is now never going to happen based on the new phony investigation that's been open. I'll talk about that in a minute.

41:45So Donald Trump is abusing women who have self-professed that they were victims in their own lives of sexual abuse who are members of Congress in order to get them to continue to cover up the Epstein files. And that backfired. Nancy Mace has said, look, I think she's a disgusting human being. But on this particular issue, she's not relenting, at least on the signature for the discharge petition. Neither is, you know, this sweet talking of Marjorie Taylor Greene that Donald Trump is doing is not going to get her to back off her call for the Epstein files. She's dug in too deep there. and Boebert, who I disagree with on everything, she came out and said, thanks for the meeting, but I'm not interested in changing my vote, so to speak.

42:33So you had all that happening. Then you had in the same week leading into our reporting tonight, you had Ghislaine Maxwell lobbying again to have a computation of her sentence. Can I get out early? Even though I'm in the Beverly Hills wing of this prison now, can I get out early? And that roared back into view. And then you had the House release the email that is a kibitz between Maxwell and her business partner, lover, co-conspirator in child sex trafficking, Epstein, who never thought these emails would see the light of day. You know, just talking about Donald Trump being in Epstein's house four hours with a redacted victim's name, who our illustrious press secretary, Carolyn Levitt, thought it was helpful to both out the person, whether it was Virginia Joffrey or not, who was underaged at the time, and then say, see, transparency.

43:43He spent several hours in a convicted child sex traffickers house with an underage girl with a girl. But we know who the girl is. So it's OK, because that girl who's now took her own life because of all the psychological abuse she suffered. She once said that Donald Trump didn't do anything. OK, we're not going to go into now the psychoanalytics of survivors of sexual abuse when their children and what they say or don't say in the future. that doesn't explain the hours in the house. And it doesn't explain the clip that you just played of Ghislaine Maxwell lying to Todd Blanche, who willingly wanted her to lie.

44:21Let's be frank. It's not that he wasn't taken advantage of. They fired Maureen Covey, who was the only prosecutor on planet Earth who knew that Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein file like the back of her hand. When you go in to do an interview of a convicted child sex trafficker. You bring with you, if you're giving her immunity to make sure she's telling the truth, you bring in the truth serum. You bring in the prosecutor that handled the case because Todd Blanche had no interest in learning the case. He had no ability in just the several days to read the files. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of pages and exhibits.

45:06But he didn't want to. He purposely buried his head in the stand. They fired Maureen Comey a couple of weeks before. He goes in with nothing because Comey would have said to him, she's lying. There's an email. There's a document. There's an audio. There's a whatever. But he didn't want that in his ear. He didn't want her writing notes next to him. So when she said, no, he's a lovely man. I don't even think he was ever in the house. the email that you that we launched with we you and i've done a lot of comment commentating on says i can't the the dog that hasn't barked is donald trump in my house with blank all right make it virginia joffrey okay a girl for hours in my house and yet and she writes gillaine maxwell I was thinking the same thing.

45:58Could she have forgotten an email from 2011? Maybe. But when you have a president of the United States that needs a convicted child sex trafficker to vouch for his morality and credibility, that's how low that you have sunk. So we had that happen. Then you have the release of these emails, which show that Jeffrey Epstein has the goods on Donald Trump, all the emails that you identified. The new ones about Bannon coaching, Epstein, Jeffrey, Michael Wolff coaching, Epstein. It all is premised on Epstein having the goods got the drop on Donald Trump. He's got extortive stuff about his involvement.

46:40You can't extort somebody if you don't have the photos, the emails, the pictures, the testimony. So that's what Donald Trump has always been worried about, having been briefed by Pam Bondi back in May. So they came up with a new strategy. And we're still going through. You and I and the brothers, we're going to be doing a lot of reporting. This is 23 ,000 pieces of data we got to go through. That's why it's coming out a little bit drips and drabs. But the takeaway is, this is a small tip of the iceberg of what lies beneath, which is still with Donald Trump. Now, here's what they figured out they're going to try to do.

47:19They figured out that if they reignite and reactivate a criminal investigation after Pam Bondi four months ago said there's nothing to see here and did a closeout memo with the FBI in which they said there's nothing to prosecute for anybody. Done. Of course, that led. Everybody lost their mind when they wrote that closeout memo. Cash Patel goes to Congress under oath and says in response to friendly questioning from Senator Kennedy about, you know, are you still going after people that are in high places that were involved in the child sex trafficking thing? We would if we had anything to go after, but there's no one else involved but Jeffrey Epstein.

48:03Case closed. And now, four months later, because Donald Trump decided that if he has an active investigation, I'm sure this is a top language special. If we reactivate the investigation, then we can say we can't turn over the files because they're a part of an active investigation. This is the cover-up of the cover-up. And they're using Jay Clayton. And I wanted to bring back the conflicts of interest that I started our recording with, our show with tonight. There's a conflict, multiple levels of conflict with this new investigation that Pam Bondi just started. There's a little thing called the special counsel rule under the Code of Federal Regulation that effectively says that a attorney general will, that's shall, appoint a special counsel where there is an obvious conflict of interest.

49:00She works for Donald Trump. Trump is telling her to open an investigation to block the files and leave him out of it. That sounds like a conflict of interest. And the public perception of what is going on with the justice would be undermined if she didn't appoint a special counsel. Even Steve Bannon, even Steve Bannon has publicly demanded that a special counsel, special independent counsel be appointed to look at if they're going to open the files to a special counsel he looks at everything wherever it goes with subpoena power and witnesses and maybe sits down with donald trump not a phony handoff to jay clayton to the southern district of new york who's a golfing buddy of donald trump going back to his first administration and there's another conflict because jay clayton used to be and i don't even know if he's still getting cop from it Used to be a partner at Sullivan and Cromwell.

49:55Sullivan and Cromwell is currently representing Donald Trump in all of his appeals of his criminal conviction, anything related to E.G. and Carroll and the fraud case. So Sullivan and Cromwell's former partner, Jay Clayton, golf buddy for Donald Trump, is now going to be the guy who's only with blinders on, only going to look at the Democrats. This is all a ruse to then have Carolyn Levitt and Pam Bondi at the future oversight committee hearing say, we'd love to release the files. But as you know, there's an active criminal investigation. more than that even when Pam Bondi sits before the Senate and the House at her next hearing, and she's asked all of these questions, she's now given herself the cover to say, I can't answer that, Senator.

50:47There is an active investigation going on. I'm not allowed to comment. I can't comment on that. It's an active investigation. Now, by the way, play this clip back after she does it. I would like to answer that, but I am not entitled to answer that because she knows that she, Kash Patel, Bongino, they're going to get subpoenaed to show up. It's to also cover their own ass when they have to testify. And that's exactly how they're going to avoid answering the question. So we're previewing what their corrupt strategy is two other points that I just want to make quickly. What was interesting about that Todd Blanche interview, it's kind of how I would do a deposition for the first hour and a half.

51:34But then after getting the person to say all of the things that I knew were lies and kind of lulling them into that sense of security that, okay, you got that. And I wouldn't do it mean at first, right? I would have them tell their whole story. I go, okay, want to go back? We'll take a lunch break. Then I'd have all the emails ready to go. Remember earlier when you said this, let me just show you this email. So that wasn't true, was it? Well, what would you mean in this email? Uh, what'd you mean in this email? What'd you mean in this email? Now what, what Blanche did was just part one, but didn't do the other stuff that you would always do in a situation, situation like that if you were having an interview with somebody like a Ghislaine Maxwell or someone in that type of situation.

52:20Okay, the other point I want to make is that there is something in the law called an adverse inference. And an adverse inference is an instruction that a judge gives to a jury if one of the parties to the litigation is not turning over the documents and is hiding something. And often you can find out that one side is not turning over the things because sometimes it's hard to know, are they turning it over or not turning it over? Because you're able to subpoena a third party where you get a subset of records and you go, well, clearly they're hiding stuff because look what we just got from another repository of this information.

53:01So what the judge will tell the jury is, as a result of this party to the case, not sharing with you the information that is in their custody and control, you could assume the worst. Assume that the reason that they're hiding this is because what they're hiding would be far more damaging than what they want to produce. So to me, we are clearly in adverse inference territory when it comes to the Trump regime. We could only assume that his involvement with Epstein is as bad as our worst suspicions of what went down, because why else would you be hiding it? If this was a court case, in my opinion, that instruction would be given.

53:46Now, the final point I want to make, Popak, and I said that I was only going to do two points, but let me give you a third point right here. It's interesting to me when the Trump regime's talking point was, well, the Democrats are just cherry picking these documents. Well, first off, 23 ,000 documents is not a whole lot of cherry. There's at least 10 % out there now, but let's be of what I think is the Epstein files. Before there was about 2%. Now we've got about 10%. I still think there's about 90 % left. But usually when someone makes an allegation of cherry picking, it's against the party that controls the cherries, right?

54:24That has the information and they're just turning over things that make them look good. It's usually not the other way where a party that doesn't have access to the information is just producing whatever it is that they have to get that out. So if Trump wants to avoid the allegations of Democrats are cherry picking, well, you control the cherry trees so you can turn over all the cherries and then you can't argue cherry picking. That's the whole point there. And that's why the cherry picking argument for the entity that controls the documents, that's never something that you would hear in court.

55:01Now, we have a lot to discuss also on how this corruption, not just MAGA Republicans helping Trump cover up this child sex trafficking ring. Can you believe that that's what we're talking about? That the government right now is so overtly covering up the largest child sex trafficking in human history right before our eyes so flagrantly. But then the Republican senators, I think they know the gravy train may be ending soon. So they're literally writing laws just to themselves as senators saying, if you are a senator, you get to claim at least half a million dollars based on a new law that we're going to make up.

55:37We'll cover that when we come back from our last quick break. But a reminder to everybody, Michael Popak has a new law firm, although perhaps it's not all that new anymore because he launched it about a year ago at this point. But it's new in the scheme of things. And he's representing people who listen to this and view this. So if you have a case, if you've been injured in an accident, call 877-POPOC-AF or go to thepopocfirm.com. That's thepopocfirm.com or call 877-POPOC-AF. If you've been involved in a catastrophic or serious car accident or trucking accident, or you know somebody who was killed or harmed in an accident, tell them to reach out to the Popoc firm.

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59:43The subpoena by Jack Smith was limited in time to just the immediate events relating to the January 6th insurrection. This was not wiretapping or eavesdropping. The contents of text messages were not reviewed. The contents of phone calls were not heard. Literally just the digits showed up the way you may see in like a phone record, the number, the length of the call, outgoing, incoming, like that is it. And the Republicans have said, this is Arctic frost, Arctic frost. And they've misrepresented what it is by saying, They're listening on us. No one's listening to you. No one listened to you. It's literally the digits.

1:00:24Now you may be saying, well, why, if there was a claim, why couldn't they file a lawsuit under existing law? Because there is no claim where you can sue the department of justice when a federal judge issues a lawful subpoena. Like it comes from a court. So like what would be the injury, what would exist? And by the way, if there was an existing law that was violated and Jack Smith violated it, I would say, great. If he violated some existing law, invoke the law and then sue him for it or invoke the law and hold him accountable for it. I have no problem with that. But there was no law that he broke because he followed the law and the judges followed the law.

1:01:08And so the Republican senators, while taking away health care from 20 million Americans, maybe more, because that's what this continuing resolution is going to do, built in a new law where they say, notwithstanding it being a valid subpoena, notwithstanding that the statute of limitations would have expired, notwithstanding that no law was in place at the time. we're going to create a law in November, 2025, where we will retroactively backdate it and say that the law was in effect at the time that the subpoenas were issued so that it was now actually was unlawful. And Jack Smith should have known, should have been a time traveler and figured this out that they've been injured and emotionally harmed because their digits, their phone numbers showed up in response to a subpoena regarding who was calling Donald Trump right around the January 6th insurrection.

1:02:07And then in the law, they've also stated that the government, because it would be these Republicans getting the money from taxpayers, right? They're suing essentially the DOJ. And if they sued the DOJ, the DOJ would assert defenses. But in the law, the Republican senators say, the government hereby waives all of its defenses and can't assert any defenses. So a new law, retroactive, based on validly issued subpoenas, and then depriving the DOJ of even mounting a defense if it wanted to. In other words, a direct payout to Republican senators. Let's bring in Michael Popat to break it down. I mean, this is, you know, So this, while Americans are starving, while Americans can't afford things, while Americans are being psychologically tortured, while Republicans and senators and Congress members of all parties have the golden standard of health care, and we've seen these members not work for such a long period of time, they've now built in a million dollar, a million five, half a million, depending on the each time the number shows up.

1:03:23That's another claim. So five million dollars that taxpayers are going to be paying these senators millions of dollars just just to the senators. I mean, that's the craziest concept they've ever heard of. So senators, the Senate Majority Leader Thune, remember that name. We have to we have to make like crimes against humanity playing cards that people can keep like the military used to use in Iraq to be able to figure out who to go after. We need to make cards as we get closer to the midterms. We're less than a year away. Senator John Thune shoved this into the Senate bill. As you said, they weren't helping Americans, 42 million of them who were starving to death and were entitled to food supplement payments under SNAP.

1:04:05They were actually fighting to not make payments to veterans and disabled people and babies and children and the rest below the poverty line. But they struck on this great idea to give themselves a$500 ,000 payday because seven or eight of them were likely involved with the overthrow of democracy. A subpoena went out for their records to Verizon and other carriers. It was approved by a federal judge. As you said, it wasn't a wiretap. It just shows you they just basic vocabulary eludes MAGA. What's a tariff? They just don't understand. Texas says, I'm going to tariff all the New Yorkers who leave.

1:04:48If they don't leave now, Bob Dombie gets elected. Do you understand what a tariff is? It's a wiretap. I've been involved with wiretapping cases. That's when you intercepted real time and electronic or actual conversation and you list it in, you eavesdrop. It's an eavesdropping statute. This is not a wiretap. This was a pen register. It's a phone register. This is like getting the old good old, you ever look at your phone bill that's now available electronically? Tells you this phone call at this time to this phone number at this length. That was it. If they needed to go further, it was only for three days.

1:05:24It was Gen 5, Gen 6, and Gen 7. It was just to see who was talking to who as they were trying to come up with their conspiracy board about the delaying the certification of the election in which senators and House members may have been involved with that, for which they, not being a president, likely did not have immunity. The only immunity that they really enjoy is speech and debate. And there was an argument that this didn't fall into any of that. That's how we got here. This create a payday, right? create a bingo card that's already filled out so they can get a$500 ,000 payoff. It was so offensive that even MAGA Mike Johnson doesn't like it and has claimed that he's going to work to strike it, although he didn't.

1:06:18But it was that bad politically because Johnson worries about the politics more than the senators do because he's always running for re-election along with the rest of the House. Got a major election coming up. You would think these people think they're in power forever. You know, it's like Putin, you know, like, you know, like he gets 105 % of the vote. They're not going to be in power forever. And there's going to be a new Senate and a new House in like a year. And at the rate they're going, playing into the hands of the Democrats to give them their talking points that they need. Do you want a president who starves babies?

1:06:57No. Do you want a heartless president who doesn't care about Americans and even in red states? No. Do you want a president who is trying to destroy the American economy single-handedly to benefit himself and those around him and his family? No. Do you want a president that's rewarding people that participated in one way or the other on Jan 6 by giving them a$500 ,000 dollar payday while you pay whatever you're paying in taxes and your state funding is all cut off? No. This is what the Democrats are going to have. This is what we call in the business a gift that the Democrats have to exploit when it comes time to campaign.

1:07:40And everybody that's running against somebody with an R next to their name has to use this information. We'll do our part, I promise you, Midas Touch and Legal AF will be unrelenting in its coverage, in its exposure, in its exposés, in its analysis and commentary around these issues from now until the election day and beyond. The crowds will do their part, the Democratic and liberal and independents who are taking to the streets in numbers. I'm going to touch at the end here, 22 members of the clergy wearing their cloth, wearing their outfits, were thrown to the ground by federal Trump forces while they were peacefully protesting in front of an ICE center, ICE facility in Broadview, Illinois, in the last day.

1:08:36as the Pope, who is the first U.S. Pope and a Chicago resident, decided to weigh in about this is the time for deep reflection about the inhumane migrant and immigration policies of the Trump administration, which triggered, we now have a new thing, Ben. We have church versus state, not separation of church and state. I don't want them separated now. We need the church and its leaders, the agnostics and its leaders, the politicians and its leaders, the attorneys general and its leaders, and the crowds of people to rise up now. Popak, don't you find it interesting that last year when we were doing legal analysis and Supreme Court analysis and going back to the early beginnings of Legal AF, it was all of these right-wing cases to force prayer into schools.

1:09:30And now when there's prayer being done outside of detention facilities and you have priests showing up trying to conduct mass or whatever, and now the priests are banned. They are shot. They're shot. They're gasping. and they are arrested. And so it just, to me, it tells you everything you need to know about Mac. Is that a good look for the Christian right as they're trying to prop up this presidency? I think for them, they feast on this, we all know this, dystopian, violent form of whatever they, of however they're interpreting Christianity, you know, from a white nationalistic lens. And it is, and to me, the way I try to analyze this always is religion, no religion, whether you're a Catholic Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, whichever religion you are, you know, atheist, you name whatever you whatever, or just don't even have a thought about it.

1:10:55Sometimes we, not we in Midas Touch Network, but the collective, the way press reports, just stops reflecting on the morality of things like good versus bad. And so much conduct that we've talked about it throughout senators paying themselves money based on BS claims, Trump's appearance in the Epstein list and their files and covering up a child sex trafficking ring, you know, Bondi's behavior. It's just, it's bad humans. It's bad behavior. These are bad people without character and with low morals. And sometimes we just have to say, these are not good humans. These are bad, bad, bad, evil people.

1:11:39Sorry. No, no, you didn't. Why? Because you stepped on my rant? No, no, that's okay. It reminded me when, we don't have the clip, I don't think, but when the reporter on Air Force One asked Donald Trump about Epstein, about the email, what did it mean that you were in a house with girls, with a girl for hours in Epstein? And then he gave some crazy answer. That's why we're opening an investigation. And then she tried to ask another question. And he attacked the reporter. Silence. Stop. Quiet. stop. I don't understand how that combined with the polling numbers is indicating to the Republican Party that they are on a winning strategy for the midterms.

1:12:25I'm sorry. I try to think you and I are very skilled at being lawyers. We pride ourselves as getting inside the head of the adversary, and it makes us better lawyers. I don't understand anything that's going on. I have a new theory. I'm going to run it by you here at the end. Donald Trump is on the shortest of time horizons. He knows he's going to be lame duck. He is acting like somebody who thinks that his grip on power is slipping. When it comes to the midterms, it's going to be worse. So he's trying to do as maximum damage, and he's got his coattails. He's got everybody on his coattails, but he doesn't care about the future, both biologically, chronologically, and politically, because he's already got what he wanted.

1:13:08He got his immunity. He got his money. He's making billions and billions of dollars as a president. He got his retribution. He got his pound of flesh. And he's acting for me. He's acting like somebody who knows his time is short in terms of the presidency and the grip on power and the midterms will prove it. And that's for me what I'm observing when I'm trying to make sense of his conduct, which would be political suicide for anybody else. Yeah. And I think now more than ever, though, is when we all need to push more. I see this as an incredible opportunity to get the truth out, to try to open people's eyes.

1:13:57And I think one of the things that the Epstein files did was it created one of the first kind of cracks within MAGA that then at least opened their minds to start seeing that there are other cracks. And those cracks started percolating as well. Then you had Donald Trump going on Laura Ingram and saying that, you know, Chinese students are much better and superior than American students. And that's why, you know, American colleges should have 600 ,000 Chinese students. And then Laura Ingram's even like, but, you know, American students, they could be good also, right? And he's like, no, no, no, no, no, they can't.

1:14:40I mean, look, there's a way you can embrace the idea of international students, but also say we need to make sure we have a big priority on American students and making sure Americans are educated and have the best education system. But he goes, no, no, no, Americans can't do it, right? There was the other statement that he gave and said, you know, American workers are not capable of working the high-skilled jobs or factory jobs that we need foreign workers for. And look, there's a world where foreign workers, you know, are needed and necessary. And we've seen how helpful, you know, brain drain from other countries has been and brain recipients the United States has been.

1:15:21Trump's policies have been the opposite. I've actually harmed America as a place where people want to come to and study and be in. We've seen that. But we should also be figuring out too and prioritizing, okay, American jobs and focusing on American jobs as well. So he makes those statements that, you know, combined with the Epstein files, combined with, you know, him talking about he doesn't know which part of his body he got an MRI on. I mean, remember when he was going to Mar-a-Lago again on the taxpayer dime and he's asked, so, you know, you got this MRI. He's like, look, I got the MRI. It was the best MRI.

1:15:58The doctor said they've never seen results as good as this MRI. And then he says, so the reporter says, what part was it? Was it your brain? That was the question. Was it your brain? And he goes, look, I don't know what part I was on. Okay. I don't know what body part they did it. Okay. It's, it's what people go and get. It's like, you don't know what part of your body and MRI was on. So you have that. And then you have him saying things are affordable and things are great and everything's amazing and things are cheaper and Thanksgiving's going to be 25 % cheaper. And people know their Thanksgiving is it 25 % cheaper?

1:16:35It's more expensive. It's like, but Walmart said, well, Walmart's working with you to say that number one, it appears. But number two, they've included 14 items on the list versus 21 items that were on the list the previous year. And it used to be brand names the previous year. Now it's their Walmart saves numbers. But then like the Trump regime, like what about the DoorDash data? The DoorDash data says that the food's more affordable. First off, you're the government and you're citing DoorDash data. And then when you dig into it, that's not what DoorDash even said. The prices are actually up and we all know they're up.

1:17:11If you live in the real world and not at the great Gatsby parties where half naked women are in martini glasses and Mar-a-Lago or at Club Rose Garden or Golden Ballrooms or whatever, like you exist in the world and you know what's happening when they rip away your healthcare. And now you have to pay three times or four times as much for your ACA, your affordable care premiums, because they don't extend the subsidies. And then they're like, the Democrats did this to you. People are like, no, they didn't. We see you doing it to us. We know you're doing it to us. So this is all happening kind of everywhere all at once right now.

1:17:49And we're in a place following the election two weeks ago where there's a real sense of momentum for truth and democracy, for validation, for fighting for all Americans. And we're in this together. And I think more and more people will start to see what this is about is the Trump and his right-wing oligarchs versus the rest of us, versus Americans. And the more we can recognize that and come together right now, I think that's so important. And what we use Legal AF for is to get out the truth to you, just to break it down for you. I mean, there's not all that much political things that I'm like, Like I'm we're criticizing the fact that someone who's never been a federal prosecutor before has all of a sudden decided to become the top federal prosecutor in Virginia after all the Republicans said there's not enough evidence to do what Donald Trump wants to do.

1:18:42That's not cool. That's not good. Like we shouldn't be a political thing to be like Republicans shouldn't create special laws for themselves or there's or Trump shouldn't be covering up a child sex trafficking ring. Like what are we talking about here, folks? So that's my spiel before we go. Popak, anything you want to say to everybody? No, I think we wrap. But other than the last thing, other than to say, people always worry about your and my health and energy. I had a little bit of a cold that I came down with here. We are as energized and motivated as we've ever been. The energy level here on Midas Touch and on Legal AF is off the charts in terms of on our side of the microphone.

1:19:26We see the enthusiasm on the other side in our audience, the fervent support of our audience, the growth of Legal AF in a record amount of time, where we are with our content. And it really is just so rewarding for me, I know, for you to be a part of this movement that will take down a dictator. It will bring him to heel. Everybody, make sure before you go, If you have a potential case, if you've been injured in a catastrophic car accident or a serious car accident or trucking accident, or you know somebody who has, give Michael Popak a call at 877-LEGAL-AF. Give a call there, Popak AF. Call 877-POPAK-AF.

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