Legal AF Full Episode - 8/13/2025

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27:48And as I said, keeps the lights on. Let's talk about what's going on with the Epstein case. Karen, let me turn it over to you. We've got some new reporting that from Alison Gill, Mueller, she wrote, which she's standing by. It says that Ghislaine Maxwell is eligible for work release. She's got out, checked off next to her name on the Bureau of Prisons. now that she's been reassigned to a low security, sorry, minimum security prison camp in Texas. And why don't you catch the audience up on that, brief them on that. And then, of course, the other, you know, I can pick up with, you know, J.D. Vance going on Sunday news, trying to blame the Biden administration for not releasing the files.

28:33And we're still at the files have not been released. And then we've got Paul Engelmeyer, a federal judge in New York, who issued a ruling about grand jury secrecy transcripts, but went even further in excoriating the Trump administration and vindicating the rights of the victims. So we'll tie all that together in this segment. You want to kick it off? Sure. So Ghislaine Maxwell is, as you know, she went to trial in her case after Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide a month after he was arrested. And she went to trial. She was convicted of most of the charges of both facilitating sexual activity with minors as well as participating in them herself.

29:14So she was resoundingly convicted and sentenced to 20 years. And there are different places she could serve that time. And she was in a higher level security facility. And as a result of talking to the Trump administration, she suddenly is now transferred to a minimum security camp. And when you get to go to a place like that, there's a lot you get to do there. First of all, they call it a camp for a reason. It's minimum security, a lot of freedom, a lot you can do. And one of the things that you get to be, it's kind of ironic that Jared Kushner in Trump One was instrumental in a lot of these prison reforms and sentencing reforms, things like the First Step Act, etc., that allows people who have served a certain amount of time to have time reduced off their sentence or to get to do things like work release.

30:18And that seems to be where she's headed. And it's one of the reasons I'm sure why she was given this cushy role to go to minimum security now so that she can avail herself of all of these things and start the process of getting out, frankly. So I think that's where she is and what's happening. I don't know, maybe the Trump administration decided that a full pardon is a little too distasteful. You know, and it's just interesting because through all of this, you know, although I followed Epstein and Maxwell at the time when this was all going on, now that this is all happening, I'm sort of refreshing my memory on all of what happened and came out in her trial.

31:07And thankfully, Judge Engelmeyer, who's the judge who in the Southern District who denied this request from the Trump administration to release the grand jury minutes, he denied it in a 30 plus page decision. This could have just been a one page decision or a two page decision, you know, or just denied. I mean, because this doesn't meet the legal standard even close. But he took the time to really remind everybody of the treasure trove of information, the amount of stuff that the Trump administration possesses and doesn't need the permission of the judge to release. What he basically said in this decision was, look, there was a trial.

31:50Ghislaine Maxwell had a trial and lots of evidence came out in that trial. And nothing in this grand jury testimony amplifies upon that. The grand jury is a bare bones, probable cause standard, just enough to charge someone with a crime. And then you have a trial where you have full evidence and cross-examination, et cetera. This grand jury presentation was two different witnesses who testified, and neither of them, they were summary witnesses. So they just summarized the evidence. Neither of them testified at the trial. And there was nothing in there that illuminated anything. There was nothing new or anything in there special that didn't come out at the trial.

32:34So he basically said, look, I'm denying it because you didn't meet the standard, but there's nothing in there. And he previewed that for everybody. There's literally nothing in there. But there is a lot of stuff that came out at the trial and is part of the investigation that the FBI and the Department of Justice has when they investigated and prosecuted these cases. They executed search warrants. They recovered a notebook, flight logs, all that kind of stuff. I was reading a CNN article that talks about just the connection and how close. I don't know that people realize how close Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were.

33:12They called themselves best friends. They were the best of friends, the closest friends. He'd been on the plane. His children, when they were little, and their nannies went on his plane. It's all in the flight logs. And they put it in chronological order. And it's worth looking at because it's just shockingly, they were shockingly close. They weren't just acquaintances who knew each other at parties. These were people who spent a lot of time together, flew on each other's airplanes a lot together, and literally called each other best friends. And there was a, at one point Trump admitted that he knew that Jeffrey Epstein likes him young.

33:47I mean, you know, it's not a far stretch given the amount of women who have come forward and accused Donald Trump of forcibly, whether it's raping them or kissing them or touching them. There are so many women who have come forward to say that that's what happened. And that's what his friend Jeffrey Epstein did as well. And so it's not a huge stretch. And when you think about it, and you see how close they were, and I think it's time for the Justice Department and the FBI to turn over the records that they have in their possession that does not require the court or anybody else to release the way these grand jury minutes that show nothing.

34:32This is just, they just want to be able to say, oh, we were going to turn them over, but the judge said no. The judge said no. There's nothing there. It's literally giving ice in winter. There's nothing in those minutes. And there never was going to be anything in those minutes. I've never seen grand jury minutes that are substantive, federal grand jury minutes that are substantive. That's not how they do it. They do it exactly this way for a reason. So that's where we are. And, you know, with all of this. Sorry. I kind of went off on a tangent there, but I get so upset. I guess so this this topic really bothers me.

35:05The podcast is a tangent. I know, but I bet Ben, Ben, Ben, when he and I talk about when we do Saturday, something is like we talking about. All right, I'll I'll do this part. And then you do a pop up rant or Ben ran. I'm like the rant. That's the that's the juice. That's the podcast. The rant part. So, yeah, Engelmeyer. I'll just touch on that part. Judge Engelmeyer issued a thirty five page plus decision. decision. What I liked about it in a way that Judge Rothenberg wrote, sorry, Rosenberg in my, in West Palm Beach, when she was dealing with her grand jury transcript, no, I'm not going to release the transcript issue.

35:42She just did like a five pager, like, well, rule six E of the federal rule of criminal procedure, rule of secrecy. You haven't given me proper ground. So no, that's not what Engelmeyer did. What Engelmeyer had said is I'm going to set the record straight. First part of my order is going to be reminding people of the crimes that Ghislaine Maxwell committed. The six or seven that she was indicted for, the five that she was convicted of, her participation in sexual abuse of girls and women, the victims that testified. because he's seeing, as we all are, an attempt to rehabilitate Ghislaine Maxwell by her lawyer, by Donald Trump, by the right-wing MAGA, by MAGA Media, and the rest, because they have to do that because Donald Trump wants to exonerate her, and so they have to have it be muddied in the people's mind that maybe she's the victim too.

36:38And the judge says, all right, this is my paraphrase, let's set the record straight. She's not a saint. She's a convicted sinner. And these are her sins. He didn't have to do that. But he did that, I think, in honor of the thousand or more victims of hers, including those that had the courage to testify against her. And there were about six of them. That was the first section. Second section was what I referred to as release the damn files. The judge saying, okay, I know you've tried to divert attention and sent it over to federal judges because you're trying to redefine what the Epstein files are, but we don't have the Epstein files.

37:15What we have, and we're not sitting on them, are a very scant one-day transcript, nothing of which, and he said, I looked at it, I'm not going to tell you what's in it, but I will tell you in general, all of it has been reported. None of it is new. And then he went off to say the mine load, what I call the mother load of documents that comprise the Epstein files, are sitting with the Trump administration. And he says point blank by quoting Pam Bondi's February memo, Pam Bondi's February announcement, the press conference, the letter to the Department of Justice, to the FBI, have all the files on my desk, the revelation by the Department of Justice that there were 300 gigabytes of information which comprised the Epstein files.

38:03And he laid that all out to say to the public and to the Trump administration, your attempt to blame federal judges for not releasing the Epstein files is a charade. You're sitting on the Epstein files. We aren't. He says, I looked in the files and anybody, if I could allow you to look at them, and I can't because of the rule of secrecy around grand jury materials, you and all the people that you say justify releasing the files, the pundits, the press, the media, the public would all be bitterly disappointed because there's no there there, his words. And he called out the Trump administration and reset, I think, reset the battlefield to remind everybody, Glenn Maxwell is a convicted sex predator.

38:48One. Two, I don't have the docs and none of the federal judges do. The Trump administration does. So go to them and solve your own problem, Trump administration, and don't try to use the federal courts to do it. And three, he then had a short section, much like Judge Rosenberg in Florida, about, yeah, none of these things that you're telling us are the justifications work. I also found it interesting, Karen, that this is where we always have to disconnect on purpose between what Trump says for political fodder on the campaign trail or on the presidential trail about what his arguments are and what they can actually argue in a court of law.

39:28How many times have we heard over the last six weeks or more? Why are we still talking about the Epstein files? It's boring. There's nothing there there. It's not very interesting. Why don't you ask me questions, dumb reporter, about the tariffs or about my peace deals that I'm doing or about something else I want you to focus on? Why do you keep focusing on the Epstein files? That's what he says publicly. Of course, we know it's rocked the administration because they're holding non-secret, secret meetings in the middle of the night in the White House to try to figure out, I love this one. It's a communications, they're having a communications problem.

40:02It's like the old Cool Hand Luke movie. We're having a failure to communicate about Epstein. No, you're not. You're not releasing the files. And everybody sees that as a coverup of epic proportion of depraved sexual criminal conduct. And we want to know if you're involved. You may say to us, there's other people involved, but why is your name all over the Epstein files? And that's the problem he's having right now and convincing even his MAGA base about it. So while you've got all that going on and all the distractions going on in the filings, Pam Bondi, the Department of Justice tells Judge Engelmeyer and others, this is a case of great public importance.

40:39Everybody, history needs to know how the FBI and all. And I'm like, which is it? Is it it's boring, nothing to see here, or this is a case of great public importance? That's the only time I ever agree with Pam Bondi. It is a case of great public importance. and what it says about this administration. I'll leave it on this character. The fact that Donald Trump is so low, has sunk so low, that he needs a convicted child sex offender to vouch for his character says everything you need to know about this administration and how morally hollow it is. Yeah, I agree. But I also agree with you that this is really a, you know, if there's nothing in there that Donald Trump did and there's really nobody else, then release them.

41:25That's what I don't understand. It makes it almost worse than it actually is. And that's why I think he's having such a problem. Because there's stuff in there. Because there's stuff in there that you and I are here for. Yeah. He may be blowing up in his mind. I mean, is there evidence that he was on the island and raped girls? I mean, at this point, who knows? It's hard to tell. But whatever's in there needs to come out because the public is demanding it. And the more they hide it, the more we want to see it. The more they try to blame the Biden administration, the more everyone's like, just release the damn files.

42:01So we'll continue to follow this case. I think more survivors are coming forward too. There are some survivors that have never spoken publicly before that are going to speak on September 3rd in Congress. And I think more people are coming forward. And so maybe the evidence will get out one way or another. Yeah, I think that's what the judge hoped for, too. Why don't we touch, when we come back from our last ad break, we'll talk about this attack on same-sex marriage and then a win for Justice and E. Jean Carroll on Legal AF. As I said, many ways to support us. Legal AF, the YouTube channel, come over there, hit that subscribe button.

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47:25Why does it matter? Republicans used to be not in my bedroom, and now it's like all up in my bedroom and all up in my, you know, if you want to be nothing from a gender perspective, if you want to be transgender, if you want to be whatever Whatever makes you comfortable as a human being and you want to marry somebody that you love and they happen to be of the same sex, why does it matter so much to MAGA? Why do they have to tear down and make people uncomfortable and force everybody to back alleys and consider suicide because they can't live the life that they were meant to lead? Let's start with that.

48:10Why do you think that this, you know, we're not in the 50s anymore, the 30s. This is 2025. Why does this bother them so much? Honestly, this one is a head-scratcher for me. I have no idea why anyone could be anti-gay or anti-same-sex marriage. I mean, as you said, just love who you want to love. Be with who you want to be with. I mean, finding true love in this world is not, not everyone finds it, right? And if you find it, and you have it, it shouldn't matter whether you're same sex or not. And this attack on same sex marriage is really, really upsetting and really concerning. because just to remind everyone where we are, in 10 years ago now, it's been legal in the United States, Oberfeld versus Hodges.

49:10And I love that you're having Robbie Kaplan on who is responsible in some ways, right? She's the one who took this case all the way to the Supreme Court and won. And right after that, right after the Supreme Court declared that same-sex marriage needs to be nationwide. In Kentucky, there was a clerk who refused to issue a marriage license to a gay couple, citing her, it was against her religion. So I guess to answer your question, why is that? I guess that's why, right? I think it's a religious belief. And she has now asked the Supreme Court, she's back, the same clerk, she is back and asking the Supreme Court to overturn the Oberfell is really where we are.

50:06And normally you would think, well, that's not going to happen. And why would it happen? And will they take the case? And, you know, she filed a writ and the two individuals who she denied the license for did not file a response, just kind of left it hoping that the Supreme Court would just deny certiorari. Shirari. And you can, just one justice can call for a response from the other party. So it's briefed prior to them knowing whether they want to grant cert or not. And of course, somebody, one justice asked for a response because they don't typically grant reviews without hearing from both sides.

51:02And again, any justice can. And so they asked for it and we'll see, you know, we'll see if they do. You need four votes, as you know, Popak, to grant cert or to hear a case officially, and you need five to overturn a case. And so I don't know that they would grant cert if they didn't feel confident that they had the five to overturn it. There were dissenters in Oberfell. And so, you know, it was Roberts and Thomas and Alito dissented. So do they have a fourth and then a fifth? Let's see. Let's see what they have. But this one scares me a little bit. It's going to be awkward. Gorsuch presided over a gay marriage at some point in his career.

51:51That seems to be the one area that he is more progressive is in the gay marriage world. I mean, you know, do they have the numbers to do it in the MAGA right of the Supreme Court? Sure. Have they been working overtime to rip a super precedent off the shelves, you know, as part of their MAGA checklist, like Roe versus Wade and cases related to Administrative Procedures Act and the Chevron decision and all. and I could name about a dozen different doctrines that have fallen by the wayside under the Roberts Court. Yes. Do they have the balls to go after same-sex marriage? That's probably a terrible phrase.

52:39To go after same-sex marriage and have that be on their obituaries? I'm not sure about that, but we will know soon enough. I could definitely make an argument where they would never take that case, and I could certainly make an argument where they'll definitely take that case. That's the problem with the U.S. Supreme Court when it comes to things about religion or sexual autonomy or your ability to control things about your body or reproductive rights. They're just, they're not consistent on everything. And we're going to have to see. It's going to come down to Amy Coney Barrett and maybe Gorsuch on this issue or maybe Roberts.

53:17I want to hear from Robbie Kaplan tomorrow about what she thinks. She had a case that led into Obergefell on a related matter sort of set the framework for same-sex marriage. And I want to hear from her as well. So it's just something we wanted to put on everybody's radar. It's not an emergency appeal that's going to happen in August, September. This is going to be a first new term of the United States Supreme Court in October, but we will follow it closely. But again, that's why I started with, why must they? deny people the right to feel comfortable in their bodies and with whom they love. I just don't understand it.

53:58It doesn't bother me one bit, as long as it's not illegal, what goes on in my next-door neighbor's house or how their children are being raised or who they love. I mean, listen, you have children. I have a daughter. Everybody knows I adore Francesca. I couldn't love any person other than my wife more than my daughter. But if my daughter came home one day and was adult and told me that she loved somebody of the same sex, I would focus on the love part and not on the same sex part in accepting her. But that's me and our audience, I think, by and large. But that's not the adversary. So remember that at the time of the voting, because, you know, you're in for a penny.

54:40You're in for a somebody once said you're in for a Deutschmark. I mean, you're in, you know, this party is so depraved that people say, I'm a single issue Republican. You can't be. That's a cop out. And that's a lie. Like, what was your single issue? Transgender sports. Or a single issue is this, that, and the other thing. That's your party. Okay. If you're an independent, you voted for the party. That's your party. And if you don't like what's going on, then that shouldn't be your party. And you should be voting for the Democrats. And I know Democrats are getting, you know, low polling numbers, but frankly, they're a party out of power.

55:16You know, we can do letters, we can do shadow hearings, we can drive people crazy during confirmation hearings, we can do filibusters now and again. But there's a limit to what a party out of power can do. If you want to see real change, if you want to see checks and ballots, if you want to see abuse of power being limited and impeachment hearings being opened up and things being done that help the American people, then vote for the Democrats and get them back into power and have them run the House and the Senate. It's really that simple. There's a lot of hand-wringing we can do. Lord knows Democrats are known for hand-wringing.

55:52But at the end of the day, you have to, there's this call to action that you can do. Carol, you want to talk about EG and Carol? Yeah, just before we leave same-sex marriage, this is just an issue that really haunts me that this could happen. You know, I really, I want to live in a world where people don't have to come out as gay. They don't have to say I'm gay. Like, you don't, you don't go to your parents and say, you know what? I have something I need to tell you. I'm straight. You know what I mean? I want this, like, we need to move so far in the other direction that this isn't even a question that you just love who you love, right?

56:41Your lifestyle is your lifestyle and you are who you are and who you're meant to be. And you're with who you're meant to be with. And this is just an issue that we all have to make sure. We've finally, I mean, I can't believe it took until 2015 for same-sex marriage to be legal. But we've already lost abortion. We cannot lose this. And this is something, just what you were saying, Popak, about what we have to do and what is at stake and what is important. And this is just next level. And we have to get it back because this is just outrageous. You and I all have friends, one degree separation of people who are same-sex marriages, successful, some not successful.

57:28I think their divorce rate is actually a little bit lower than heterosexual, but they have the right to be in that marriage. And I know plenty of couples, same-sex couples that have adopted children or have had children. and also loving. Look, there's a love and abuse in the full spectrum. So it's not like, you know, oh, well, let them do it because they do it better. No, I mean, everybody should have their shot at whatever love in life that they want to have. And that's the choice. That's why it just infuriates me too about same-sex or single-issue Republicans or single-issue independents. How can you possibly do that?

58:10What a cop-out. What a cheat, you know? Well, somebody that's not a cheater, not a cop-out, has gotten justice for herself is E. Jean Carroll. And we've got some people might be thinking, did we already do this? Yeah, because there were two judgments. One for a nine-person jury, civil jury, that found that she was sexually abused by Donald Trump. That's why we get to call him a sexual abuser. because 9-0, a jury found on a preponderance of evidence that he sexually abused, or as the judge called it, technically raped, E.G. Carroll in a dressing room at the Bergdorf Goodman Department Store, diagonal from and across the street from Trump Tower back in the 90s.

58:54And that jury awarded her$5.5 million in total. He then defamed, then there was a second trial when he defamed her again, and that trial went second and that trial had to do when he was president and he testified and the jury hated him, second jury, and they awarded her 83 and a half million dollars. Good job, Alina Hobba and the rest. And he, it's been up on appeal ever since. It's been kicking around with different appeals. Donald Trump's tried to argue that he's entitled to what's called Westfall Immunity because he was an employee of the federal government when he made the statements that defamed her.

59:36She's ugly. I would never sleep with her. Look at her. She's not my type. She's trying to shake me down. She's a liar. All that stuff. Jury hated him. And mistook her for Marla Maples, right? During a deposition? Yeah, that's why. She's not my type, but he thought she was Marla Maples in a deposition. I interviewed Eugene Carroll about three weeks ago, and I asked her, I said, Eugene, what was that moment like when Robbie Kaplan, your lawyer, ran the video of the deposition in which with Alina Hobbes, like his nurse sitting next to him, she handed him, your lawyer handed him the photo when he denied having ever met you.

1:00:19And it was you, John Johnson, who was an ABC News reporter, who was her husband at the time, and Ivana and Donald Trump, all like laughing in a photo with fur coats, you know, very 1980s New York. And the whole point of that cross was to disprove that Donald Trump had never met her. Robbie didn't know what was going to happen next, neither did the jury, which was, let me see that photo. Well, okay, so that's a photo of me and Marla Maples. and so Donald Trump's so demented that he thought his two wives were in the photo at different times because Ivana was in the photo. Me and Marla Maples. And Robbie says, stop, I'm sorry.

1:01:07Are you pointing to this person here as being Marla Maples, the person you married? Yes, that's me and Marla. And then you hear Habba in the video recording say, that's Carol, that's E. Jean Carroll. and he looks at it. Oh, it's a fuzzy picture. We've all seen the photo. It's clear. It's a very clear photo. Point being, he had just said, not my type. And yet he confused her for the woman he married. I asked Eugene, how'd that go over in the trial? He says that there were two moments that won the trial for me. That and when Donald Trump walked out during Robbie Kaplan's closing remarks, closing argument, literally got up in front of the jury, turned and walked out the door.

1:01:49She said, that's when we knew that we had got, that the jury was with us. When he was both misogynist and insulting about Robbie and dismissive of E. Gene Carroll, it only reinforced the narrative they had been making in the courtroom the whole time. So first 5.5 and then an 83 and a half, both go up on appeal. They end up at the same panel about immunity, about whether he had immunity. And they were all like, you waived it. If you had it, you waived it. You never raised it, which is Alina Haba problem, by the way. That's malpractice for having not raised it. And so now the same panel affirmed both now her judgments.

1:02:29Last stop is the Supreme Court. So let me ask you, do you think the Supreme Court gets involved with these civil cases about rape or sexual abuse, technical rape in New York, and about punitive damages? Or do they, nah, we're not touching that one. What do you think happens? If it was, if the parties were anyone else other than Donald Trump on one side of the V and E. Jean Carroll, they wouldn't touch this with a 20-foot pole. But your guess is as good as mine when it comes to them with Donald Trump. I mean, they're like his personal, his own small claims court or whatever you want to call it.

1:03:08Like they just, every case he has, he goes to them. It doesn't matter what it is. And they seem to take it. They're like, you know, they're just, they're his advisors. They shouldn't take it. They shouldn't take it. Of course they shouldn't take it, yeah. It's beneath them to take the case. When will she get the money, though? When will she physically get paid? When all appeals are exhausted, which would be he tries an appeal at the United States Supreme Court, and it either happens or it doesn't. Did he have to post a bond, though, with the money? He's got two bonds. He's got a cash bond for five and a half that's been sitting, running with interest.

1:03:41It's now over$100 million. It's over$100 million. dollars. E.G. Carroll told us during the interview, she is donating almost all of it out. I'm like, don't do that, E.G. Enjoy some of it. But she wants to set up foundations. She said the ones that will drive Donald Trump crazy are the foundations that she's going to set up with his cash, which we loved. So many things I love about her. But the five and a half is cash bond, the 83 and a half. Remember, he had a problem getting a surety company to post the bond. He finally found a surety company. It was a combination of sureties that are involved to post it.

1:04:14And if he tries the appeal and they reject it, within 30 days, he has to pay it, or she goes to the bonding company or the court clerk and gets paid. If they accept the appeal, she's got to wait and she's then got to win. So we'll keep a close eye on it. But if they don't bother taking it, like with a one-line order, which you could see here, then 30 days after that one-line order, but we got to get the appeal first. So he's got 30 days from now. So it'll be a September event when he files the appeal. Sometime two or three or four or six months later, we'll know what they do. In the meantime, it runs with interest.

1:04:53And if he fails at the Supreme Court one way or the other, then she will get her money sometime in 2026. Speaking of bonds and money owed, what's going on with the New York state civil fraud case and that bond that he had to put up. Only bad things. I mean, Donald Trump, I won't say he's done anything to slow it down. The first department appellate division has been sitting on a$450 million civil fraud judgment against Donald Trump for going on 10 months now. I do practice in the first department. That's an incredibly, exceedingly long time. I don't know if they're scared, if they're worried, what their timing issue is.

1:05:32This is not a big deal. But what that has allowed is mischief because of the huge gap. Donald Trump has been able now to open up criminal investigations against Letitia James, the New York attorney general, for having gone after him in the civil fraud case, which is ridiculous. And, of course, they put a sock puppet crash dummy MAGA, Northern District of New York, fake U.S. attorney to go after her, along with Ed Martin in a mortgage fraud, no less. So just this time gap has allowed Donald Trump to change the narrative and try to go after people like Letitia James. And I blame the first department.

1:06:10You know, they're going to cut. Let me, as you and I talked about it, they're going to cut that judgment probably in half because the first department cuts every judgment in half. It's you just have to get through the meat grinder of the first department. When you get a judgment in New York and Manhattan, you don't celebrate that amount of money. Trust me, if you're a plaintiff's lawyer, because you've got to go through an appeal and they're going to whack you. So it's going to come down. Is it going to come down to zero? I doubt it. Is it going to come down a couple hundred million? It may. And that money goes to New York State.

1:06:42But look at this time gap that's allowed Donald Trump not only to get elected, but also to sick the Department of Justice on his political enemy, who prosecuted successfully brought that case in Letitia James of the New York Attorney General's office. yeah interesting right so we will continue to talk about those things but we got a happy birthday celebration for uh kfa she's meeting her husband for some dinner in an undisclosed location right after the show we're going to end it right now i really appreciate her being here and stretching it out for this amount of time you know how to support us all hit the subscribe buttons might as touch legal af and all of that come right back here saturday for our show with with Ben Mysalos.

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