The Intersection with Michael Popok Full Episode - 10/14/2025

28:52Well, I'll stash Meg as number two. So at least we have a prosecutor in the office. And because Ed Martin's like, well, I'm a prosecutor and I'm guiding Lindsay Allegan. lindsey halligan fired mcleary today and it brings us back to letitia james who nobody nobody in their right mind or a career prosecutor wanted to uh wanted to prosecute letitia james either the chief major crimes prosecutor in norfolk division of the of the uh office said no way jose no way i'm doing that and let it be known that she wasn't going to do it and then 72 hours they indicted her. Caught the Department of Justice by surprise.

29:30There's actually an associate deputy attorney general that's responsible for all 93 U.S. attorneys. He had no idea this indictment was coming on Thursday. Well, I just want to get it over with, she said. I'm so good at it. I'm two for two getting indictments. All right. Now the new reporting comes out that what are we, what is the crime here? Letitia James owns multiple homes. One of them is in Brooklyn, New York, by the way, not New Jersey. One of several typos that Lindsay Halligan is responsible for. Like she doesn't know how to spell the word principle properly, like bedrock principle she spelled wrong in her press release.

30:13She spelled the name of the city that the defendant lives in wrong. And those little things are like the cockroach theory, right? You don't just have, you see a cockroach in your kitchen, unfortunately, you don't just have one cockroach. You have 50 cockroaches. You only see them one at a time. And when you see an error like that in a filing, judges, adversaries like me, you look at it and you go, what else is wrong in here? The facts, the law, the case law they're using, what else is wrong? And so I think that's going to be one of several problems that lawyers that are really, really good, like Abby Lowell and Pat Fitzgerald are going to use against Lindsay Halligan in the Letitia James case.

30:55Turns out that Letitia owns a second home, okay, that she told the bank she was borrowing money from, some low sum of money, like she borrowed$105 ,000 to buy a$118 ,000 house. She told them it's a second home. It's obviously a second home. She lives in New York. She's the New York Attorney General. And they said, okay, sign this rider that says you won't rent it out. Okay. She had a niece with power of attorney do the closing documents. Maybe that piece of paper slipped in there. Maybe it didn't. So what's the new, she has a second home. Oh, she has people living there. Yeah, they're her family.

31:33There's no rental agreement. She hasn't declared it on her taxes. She let, like I let my family stay in the house here. I got a mother-in-law visiting from overseas for the last seven weeks. I'm not renting out the house. So there's many, many problems with the prosecution. But it also points up that there's a major battle in the leadership structure of the Department of Justice, one that Donald Trump doesn't care about, or he actually likes when all of these people are kept on eggshells. He sees Letitia James and Todd Blanche and the rest of them as just fungible. They're interchangeable. They're like, they have no more meaning to him as a client than one of his Diet Cokes.

32:23That's really the case. And now we've got a new fight that's come out in the, have you been following the Tom Homan bribery scandal? Well, the Republicans in MAGA don't want you to, but we are. So Tom Homan is now the border czar. You know, he's the guy that goes on television crushing families and their souls and delighting in it. You know, he's the kind of guy that you would see laughing hysterically at a fire at an orphanage. You know, that kind of guy. So Tom Homan, who gets put in charge of the border czar position, it's well known that Trump, if he gets back into power, He was going to put Tom Homan in as borders are.

33:05So there was an FBI sting operation because a target of their other public integrity investigation said Tom Homan was dirty. So the FBI went in with a bag of cash. It was no more complicated than that, everybody. It was$50 ,000 shoved into a restaurant takeout bag. That's it. It's not, well, there was a Swiss bank account and then it went to Grenada and then came back up through pesos and it went out as ruble, like, no, it was a paper bag of US cash. You're in my US cash, taxpayer dollars masquerading as a bribe. And it already leaked out from the FBI operatives, who I'm sure have all been fired, because this happened in the Biden administration.

33:50There's audio and video. There's audio and video of the surveillance. Of course there is. How would you do the surveillance if there wasn't? So somewhere, I don't know if it was the salt shaker or the menu holder or an eye in the sky, there was a camera. And we've been trying to get that video ever since, ever since the story broke. I think MSNBC broke it. And they've been denying it. You hear variations on a theme. J.D. Vance over the weekend said, well, I'm sure he's taken$50 ,000 before. I don't really know which 50 ,000 you're talking about. it's almost like you'll hear the clip in a minute it's almost like jd vance was saying there's so many bags of cash that tom holman has taken in his career i can't keep track so he's made a lot of money in his life i'm sure he's made 50 000 no no follow jd stay with the continuity of the story a certain bag of cash in a kava bag pushed across the table by two people he thought were contractors.

34:50But he had no power, so he never could. And it's been investigated. But here's where J.D. Vance effed up. Because for whatever reason on the George Stephanopoulos show or whatever that's called on ABC News, he had J.D. Vance on. J.D. Vance, who loves attacking ABC News, is having no viewers, and George Stephanopoulos is having no viewers, yet J.D. Vance is on the show. So you do the math. And after a series of questions about the Middle East, the Middle East issues and all of this, it turned back to Tom Homan because the answer, the questions had never been answered. Certainly, Pam Bondi during her confirmation hearing made it worse.

35:30In fact, let's play Pam Bondi first when she's asked, where is the bribed video audio surveillance tape? Play the clip. You know, you mentioned that you can't discuss pending litigation. And I think the committee by and large accepted that answer. but I did notice that you spoke at great length about pending litigation, specifically with respect to the questions Senator Cruz asked you about the sentencing of the Kavanaugh defendant. That's pending, right? He was sentenced to eight years. I understand that, but that's on appeal, right? We will be appealing. Right, so that makes it pending litigation.

36:09So you made an exception with respect to the Cruz questions. Hold on. But you didn't answer any of the questions that you said were pending at litigation from any of my colleagues. Those were facts that came out at the sentencing hearing. You're welcome to see the transcript of the sentencing hearing with all the gruesome details of what they threatened to do to Justice Kavanaugh and other justices. I condemn what that person did. That was the sentencing. But the point here is that that's pending litigation. You indicated you're going to be appealing. It's your right to do that. And you would not, you use that justification to not answer many other questions.

36:52Justification? You're an attorney, Senator. You realize that. I do want to go back to Homan. You know, there's a tape, right, with Mr. Homan? I mean, first of all, is there a tape that has audio and video of the transfer of the$50 ,000? You would have to talk to Director Patel about that. No, I'm talking to you. I don't know the answer, Senator. Yet you do know the answer to that. Don't call me a liar. I didn't call you a liar. You just said I know the answer. I said I don't know the answer. You have to talk to Director Patel. What I said is that investigation was closed. Let me put it in another way.

37:28If you don't know, why don't you know whether there was a tape and video? Senator, I believe that was resolved prior to my confirmation as Attorney General. Do you think that it is of public interest for the people to know what happened to the$50 ,000 that the FBI turned over to Homan? Did you hear what I just said? That was resolved prior to my confirmation as Attorney General. That's why I said I would not know. It's not resolved. There's$50 ,000. Homan has it, or somebody has it, Do you have no interest in knowing where it is? You're not going to sit here and slander Tom Homan. The FBI and Deputy Director Blanche said there was nothing.

38:14I'm not slamming Tom Homan. He got to 50 grand. How do you know that? Tom Homan is doing a great job, as our borders are, keeping your border state safe. You're a border state. Thank you, Senator Welch. Madam President, can I have one minute? Not right now. If you wait, we'll talk about it. that right now how dare this is where i go into my my high dungeon voice which usually ends up being warner brothers cartoon i do declare you're declaring you're calling me a liar where is i'm just waiting for somebody to come in with a fan and a mint julep while she's oh yes sit down pam you're being called a liar i don't know you'll have to ask cash patel FBI director, who she hates.

39:01FBI, did you not ask him? They do not know. So then that leads us to, and just so we're kind of, for our own continuity's sake, Democracy Forward led by Sky Perryman, which has a beautiful, amazing playlist on Legal AF YouTube channel. I interview her about once a week on her new cases. They're in court right now, federal court to get that video and audio. I mean, the Democrats are trying to do it too in the Senate, but in the House, but she's going to do it with that lawsuit. So last chance, J.D. Vance. Tell us about the Holman video and if you got it. And watch how he confesses to there being a videotape.

39:47Because for whatever reason, Stephanopoulos kept saying audio, surveillance, audio, audio. And then J.D. Vance screws up and I got the receipt. Play the clip. George, I saw media reports that Tom Homan accepted a bribe. There's no evidence of that. And here's, George, why fewer and fewer people watch your program and why you're losing credibility. Because you're talking for now five minutes with the vice president of the United States about this story regarding Tom Homan, a story that I've read about, but I don't even know the video that you're talking about. Meanwhile, low-income women can't get food because the Democrats and Chuck Schumer have shut down the government.

40:25Right now, we're trying to figure out how to pay our troops because Chuck Schumer has shut down the government. You are focused on a bogus story. You're insinuating criminal wrongdoing against a guy who has done nothing wrong instead of focusing on the fact that our country is struggling because our government's shut down. Let's talk about the real issues, George. I think the American people would benefit much more from that than from you going down some weird left wing rabbit hole where the facts clearly show that Tom Homan didn't engage in any criminal wrongdoing. It's not a weird left wing rabbit hole.

40:57I didn't insinuate anything. I asked you whether Tom Homan accepted$50 ,000 as was heard on an audio tape recorded by the FBI in September 2024. And you did not answer the question. Thank you for your time this morning. No, George, I said that I don't. Up next, we'll be right back. So ABC again. Now, ABC seems to have won the Jimmy Kimmel war. because now there's reporting that all those affiliates that are owned by Sinclair and this other right-wing Christian family that owns like all the ABC affiliates that you and I watch, you know, the actual TV stations, they've relented and they're putting Kimmel back on the air.

41:33So it's not just the broad, it's not just ABC is broadcasting Kimmel. It's like 300 channels around America, including in red states, are showing Kimmel again. And so that happened, because the Trump administration, of course, went too far in the wake of Charlie Kirk and made a martyr out of Jimmy Kimmel instead of Charlie Kirk. But it's ABC again. Once they stroke that check for$15 million because George Stephanopoulos properly called Donald Trump a rapist. I mean, I'm just repeating what Judge Lewis Kaplan said in one of his own orders, which is technically you're a rapist. Donald Trump wants you to believe that if you were in a cocktail party, for instance, and somebody walked into the room and you pointed to them out loud, everybody stopped clinking their glasses, and you said, you, sir, are a rapist.

42:29And the guy responded, I am not. I am a sexual abuser. See, I don't think that would help him in the cocktail party. That's Donald Trump's argument. So, but, you know, once ABC wrote the$15 million check equal to Stephanopoulos' salary because during an interview with E. Gene Carroll, who got him a judge, a sexual predator, a sexual abuser, he used the R word instead of the A word. Now you're going to stroke checks all the time. So we're back to another ABC White House problem. I love, but one of my favorite comments with J.D. Vance was, that's why nobody watches you, George. And that's why you went on the show?

43:10Because nobody watches? All right, let's move on from the Homan fiasco and move on to the Alex Jones fiasco. I hate talking about the guy, but as he told the Supreme Court, he's got 30 million followers. So crazy, the crazies that follow Alex Jones. election denier, Jan 6 denier, 9-11 denier, Sandy Hook massacre denier. That's quite a, I was going to say trifecta, that's quite a quadruplet vexa thing. Yeah, that's a whole lot of denying, I guess, is what I'm trying to say, including the depravity of claiming that children who will never see adulthood and parents who will never see their child get older, were all elaborate scam and scheme.

44:04It was just a fever dream. Didn't really happen. Children aren't really dead. The FBI agent who testified in tears about the bodies that he saw at Sandy Hook, he's a traitor, according to Ed Martin. Now that's where we have, so what happened with Alex Jones? Alex Jones tried to, first he testified his own cases, two different cases. And two different juries and judges came back with a$1.5 billion judgment against him for his defamation, his libel, his blood libel, and his punitive damages. Then for the next several years, he tried to use bankruptcy court to avoid paying anything. And then that didn't work.

44:46But it took several years. Give a lot of credit to the plaintiff's lawyers in this case. And then he tried to hide his assets, and that didn't work. Then there was a court order to sell his assets. In fact, I asked the Midas Touch brothers to buy Infowars, to bury it. They didn't do that. I'd still like to buy it. And he's back on the air with all these followers. So he's tried to argue with the United States Supreme Court. He's entitled to overturn his$1.5 billion because he's got First Amendment protection. He gets to say disgusting things and not be subject to defamation law. And they said, denied.

45:24We're not taking that case. And that's another. So there seems to be limits. If your name is Trump or you're the president, sky's the limit with this Supreme Court. But everybody else, watch your back, because you don't have immunity. You're not the executive. You don't have Article II power. and if it has to do with like sex and defaming dead babies, you're not getting the Supreme Court to rule in your favor. And so we've got the ruling now. Now, just to show you, he was begging at the end, which he should. Alex Jones sent in another filing to the Supreme Court saying, I got 30 million followers, First Amendment, public square.

46:12No, you don't get to say disgusting, depraved things that make people feel bad and give them mental distress and intentional inflection of emotional distress and get away with it. You can do it, but you got to write a check. Now, how are we going to collect 150, sorry, the$1.5 billion from Alex Jones? I don't know. Garnish his wages forever? They'll get several million dollars from him. I saw at one point he had like, I think his estate, his bankruptcy estate, and his value of, I think it was like$10 or$20 million. Whatever. it's 10 or 20 million dollars he doesn't need to have now that the appeal is over his lawyers will go after it and fight hard and as the White House continues to protect people like Alex Jones I mean Ed Martin the guy I've been talking about all night Eagle Ed he wrote a letter on his own on Department of Justice letterhead excoriating the FBI agent for testifying under oath about what he saw and Todd Blanche found out about it and blasted Ed Martin and said, why are you sullying the White House's reputation over a fringe podcaster?

47:22Rescind the letter. And allegedly he did. But it was the beginning of the end of the relationship between Todd Blanche and Ed Martin. And the problem for Todd Blanche is Trump loves Ed Martin. And that is a major problem. So we'll continue to follow that story and where that leads. Well, we're in the homestretch of that conversation that we need to have. We call the intersection. I want to update you on tomorrow's very important voting rights case. I mean, our constitutional representative democracy is on the line. This is an attack, full frontal attack by MAGA on black and black voters and their attempt to make every congressional district that they can white in America.

48:15And the Voting Rights Act is up for grabs, whether it's going to even survive. Section one already being ripped up and torn out of out of the Voting Rights Act in prior case law. Now, Voting Rights Section 2, which is the crown jewel of the Voting Rights Act passed by Lyndon Johnson at the urging of Martin Luther King Jr. I mean, these are like totemic things I'm talking about here. These are the touchstones of our democracy. Look at the names I'm talking about. The leaders of the civil rights movement. The president that brought us the great society. And we're talking about having six people, mainly guys on the Supreme Court, rip these things up like it was a circular in your mailbox.

49:04Talking about the Constitution here. We're talking about what it means to be an American and what our participatory democracy and representative form of government and the American experiment mean. That's what's up for grabs. And I'm worried, we have it up live on Substack and on Legal AF YouTube tomorrow at 10 a.m. Eastern Time. I'm worried about this oral argument. In 2023, in an Alabama case called Shelby, John Roberts joined with Kavanaugh with the three remaining moderates on the bench. And they formed a block to approve a voting map in Alabama that created one more predominantly black district.

49:47That's all we're talking about. Louisiana, it's even more pathetic. The 12 white plaintiffs are challenging a map where this, we're in a state that has over a third black people, US citizens, challenging a map because it made one more district. And not one more district to like even it out. Not one more district to equal 33 and a third percent of the state. One more district to give two out of seven. two out of a total of seven i haven't done math in a while like that but we're talking about 28 percent in a state where that's still under the amount before it was one out of seven the map that we're fighting over was going to reduce black representation to 14 percent of the congressional districts, more than or less than half of their population.

50:49Then Louisiana said, well, all right, there's a before and an after, before the United States Supreme Court ruled against affirmative action in the Harvard case, Harvard University case, in which it said, well, if you want to stop racial discrimination, stop discrimination, stop discriminating based on race. Yeah, thanks for that tautology, genius. You know, because to the most of the Supreme Court, we should now be colorblind. Congratulate yourselves, everybody. We did it. No more racism in America. Everybody is equally in private schools and eating clubs and fraternities and sororities at Ivy League schools.

51:28Everybody has the same opportunities in America. You don't need a helping hand to help you up. There is no racism. There's no anti-Semitism. it's all just one big happy American family. Is that right? We're in a post-racism world, a proto-racism world after Barack Obama. Or are there people in America that still need a helping hand that aren't in the right neighborhoods, clubs, memberships, organizations to give themselves the nepo baby help that others get. They don't have the black and brown people in America don't have the luxury of failing up or the gentleman's C, what they used to call it in college.

52:19But ever since that decision, before and after, all MAGA heard was, wait, anytime you use race in any type of selection process, that's going to be automatically violative of the 14th Amendment and equal protection? Let's go after all the DEI programs. Let's go after all of the woke programs. Let's get all white people back into medical school and colleges. Let's get rid of black Congress people. Congress is primarily white anyway, even in this country. It doesn't have the representation to match the demographics numbers. And so the big argument tomorrow is what has changed since 2023 to now that would make Roberts and Kavanaugh abandon the other three, Ketanji Brown-Jackson, Sotomayor, and Kagan, and side with MAGA against this map?

53:13How is this map different than the Alabama map, which added an extra district? And that's what we're going to get to the bottom of. The ones that want to kill the map and kill representation are saying, it dilutes, you're using race to set a map. See, when they rewrote the map to benefit MAGA Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House in Louisiana. They strengthened his district. They found a way to make a, what's called a minority majority district. One more black person got voted in from Louisiana. But that was based on race. That diluted my rights as white people in Louisiana. If MAGA gets this win and gets Kavanaugh, who already commented in 2023 that he doesn't see that the Voting Rights Act Section 2 lives on ad infinitum.

54:01There has to be an ending, a sundown to it. If this 2025 is the year and that map goes down, then at the next census, the majority of state houses, which are controlled by Republicans, are going to redistrict all the maps and make them all white. That's why I said, I don't deal in hyperbole. This is what's going to happen. Join me tomorrow, or sorry, join me today for the 10 a.m. Eastern time. It's up here on Legal AF. Go to the live tab. You'll find it there. I'll be in the chat. Come over to Substack. We're running it there as well. And I'll answer questions. And I'll come back on with a Substack live and answer your questions.

54:47It's that important. A case that's getting to the Supreme Court pretty rapidly, it's not there yet, but it's gotten there, is the Illinois and Oregon National Guard cases. As Donald Trump decided to, you know, just do a full frontal assault on democracy, use the power of the awesome power of the presidency and its military prowess and military power to crush dissent in America, primarily in blue states and blue cities, by sending in National Guard, spending billions of dollars of you and my money to have them pick up litter and stand in front of federal buildings. better you could spend half that amount of money and give it to local law enforcement to improve local policing that would have been a lot better just would have been as showy and as militaristic and and a muscle flex the way donald trump wanted so we have federal trial judges know what to do judge imbergat uh and the judges in chicago judge imbergat in oregon and the two judges in Chicago have all ruled that Donald Trump overstepped his power.

55:56Under Section 12406, he could not commandeer the National Guard, and he sent them back to their barracks. Because there is no rebellion or domestic violence that makes Donald Trump incapable of executing the laws of the federal government, of the president. And that's the standard. Now, the Ninth Circuit put Judge Immergut's decision on ICE, except they said, we're going to deal with whether there can be, we're not going to allow mobilization of the troops until we have a full hearing, oral argument, which they already had. We're waiting on the ruling. And the Sixth Circuit over Illinois said, we're going to put on hold the judge's decision about not mobilizing the National Guard.

56:50We're going to let the mobilization happen, but we won't allow deployment. So stay in your barracks until we're done with the oral argument. So in a way, Donald Trump federalized, commandeered, but he couldn't deploy. And now we're waiting for both those appellate courts to make their ruling. I listened to the Ninth Circuit oral argument. Two Trumpers. That's what happens. You put two Trumpers together in a room. How many Trump judges does it take to screw up a democracy? You know what it is. So I don't think we're going to get a great ruling out of the ninth. I'm a little bit more optimistic about the Sixth Circuit sitting over Illinois.

57:28Then we'll have conflicting rulings, and it'll get it back to the United States Supreme Court that has to break that tie. I think it'll be sometime this term. I don't think they're going to rush to do it. I think Donald Trump has gotten a little bit tired of that play thing. He's gotten a lot of mileage out of attacking governors and then punching and pushing back. The Department of Justice is exhausted and leaderless. Donald Trump decided he was going to do the shock and awe, flood the zone on the way in. 230 or more executive orders. He even beat FDR and FDR's executive orders for the New Deal coming out of the Great Depression.

58:07but its Department of Justice and its leadership weren't ready for it. They weren't ready for the four or five hundred cases that would be filed against the Department of Justice. They weren't ready for federal judges. They weren't ready for appellate judges. They're doing well at the Supreme Court where they're winning 86 % of the time. But you got to fight it out of the courts in the meantime. So they're beleaguered. I'm not feeling sorry for them. They're out of gas. They're fatigued. They're mentally drained. And, you know, did you know the Department of Justice fired 5 ,000 members of the Department of Justice just in the last nine and a half months and haven't replaced them?

58:4375 % of the Civil Rights Division lawyers are gone. And they're not rehiring them. I know you've heard things in the shutdown that they overfired during the Doge Musk era. And now they've got to hire back tens of thousands of people. We've fired too many people in the IRS. us. We fired too many people in the Center for Disease Control. We fired too. We got to hire them all back. And they're putting up one. There's jobs now, tens of thousands of job one adds up for the government of people they fired. All the legacy knowledge went out the door. But the Supreme Court is going to have to deal with this National Guard Posse Convatus Act, Insurrection Act by Donald Trump.

59:26He's being led around by the nose, but willingly,

59:34by people in his administration like Stephen Miller. Stephen Miller, I don't know if Stephen Miller is a Trump enabler or Trump's a Stephen Miller enabler, but he's our domestic policy president, Stephen Miller, and he's disgusting and depraved and immoral. And we'll continue to follow it all. I'm so glad you're here on The Intersection. We've come to the end of the show every Tuesday night at 8 p.m. And then follow me on everything I do on Legal AF. I do 14, 15 videos analysis on the Midas Touch Network. I have from the very beginning. I curate the Legal AF YouTube channel with the brothers where we have 10 videos.

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