The Intersection with Michael Popok Full Episode - 9/16/2025

29:36That's not what the complaint says. The first 18 pages of the complaint is just a publicity poster for Donald Trump. It starts literally, we'll put it up on the screen. It starts literally with a picture of Donald Trump's electoral victory over Kamala Harris. And every other paragraph is just some sort of narcissistic, I'm the greatest person in the world. I'm the greatest business person in the world. I have the most charisma, these are his words, in the world. I made apprentice what it is. I've written books. I've been on WrestleMania. I've been on Home Alone 2. Yes, he wrote that in the complaint.

30:19But the problem is when you get done with all of those allegations and I go, all right, where's the meat? I see the bun. Where is the beef? And I get to the part where he's supposed to tell me not only where everything is defamatory, but how the New York Times has recklessly disregarded the truth or falsity of these things or knew that they were false. I get there. There's nothing there. I mean, literally, there's nothing there. Sure. He lists about 50 things the New York Times has said about him or his business dealings or his father or the apprentice over the last 10 years. Many of these things, I think, are outside the statute of limitations.

30:57And then he says, but they're false, but they're false, but they're false. How are they false? Well, I am a great businessman. Who says that? I do. At one point, they actually reprint a just Donald Trump bragging about the other defamation lawsuits that he's brought against the Washington Post or against ABC and CBS and Paramount and the Washington Post. And I'm like, what does that have to do with the case against the New York Times?

31:27Michael Popok:See, this lawsuit violates many aspects of the pleading requirements under the federal rules of civil procedure, particularly that you have to have a concise statement of facts. You can't include impertinent, immaterial allegations. You can't drone on and prattle along in a prolix faction, in a shotgun fashion, throwing everything but the kitchen sink into the pleading, bragging about your ego, bragging about how big your electoral victory was, bragging about other cases that you won and your own self-congratulatory text mess. I mean, social media posts about it. That is no place in a federal pleading that's filed.

32:10I don't care who the judge is going to be.

32:13Michael Popok:And when you get down to it, there is a Supreme Court case. Now, some of the right-wing MAGA may not like it, but it's been on the books since the early 1970s. It's called Times versus Sullivan. It's the New York Times case. They know their own First Amendment law. And that established that for public figures like Donald Trump, you have to go one extra level in order to sustain a defamation case and win a defamation case. you have to show it. And so when I read the show Reckless Disregard or what we call actual malice, so when I went to the actual malice paragraphs, I'm like, where are they? So I go to the section of the complaint where it's supposed to list actual malice, and all it says is they've got effectively Trump derangement syndrome and they hate me.

33:01Michael Popok:I'm like, that's not, you have to show facts. You can't even just allege it in a legal conclusion. You have to show how you know that they have actual malice, right? That there was an email, a telephone exchange, a comment, something that establishes it. Nothing. So this suit followed by Alejandro Brito is doomed for failure. But that's not the reason they filed it. They filed it to have a talking point and to be able to attack the Times and hope that they'll get them into a settlement posture. And the Times has fought back. I mean, the publisher of the New York, the editor, the owner of the New York Times came out and said right at the time this suit was filed that we're not going to back down, that we're going to protect our journalism.

33:46Michael Popok:We're going to defend our reporters. We're going to defend our rights under the First Amendment. And everybody should also. I don't see them backing down. Now, they don't have as much money as Paramount or CBS and the rest of them or ABC, but I don't see them backing down on this. And of course, they shouldn't. they should win in the court of law a motion to dismiss and more importantly a motion for sanctions because remember donald trump got hit with a million dollar sanction when he and alina haba decided to do a very similar thing what one judge called judge middlebrooks called a political screed masquerading as a lawsuit same thing and they're doing it all over again so um they should bring what's called a Rule 11 motion to demand that this be retracted and withdrawn, or they're going to seek attorney's fees and costs and other sanctions.

34:40And that's how Alina Habba and Donald Trump got hit, because they sued the Democratic Party. They sued Hillary Clinton, and Middlebrooks ripped them a new one. And they paid the million dollars.

34:52Michael Popok:Same thing should happen here at the New York Times. And the New York Times is not backing down. I just did a hot take on this. They just reported a new expose, a brand new scandal in which Donald Trump has effectively used the White House to line his pockets on his cryptocurrency company, World Liberty Financial, to have the United Arab Emirates pay money into his company by way of buying$2 billion worth of stablecoin, which is a cryptocurrency that's tied to the US dollar. In return, it looks like he brokered a deal using the same people on both sides of the transaction to send the UAE high-end AI artificial intelligence computer chips.

35:39Michael Popok:So in other words, pay my company to benefit my family and me and Steve Witkoff, my special envoy and my golfing buddy. And in return, we'll get you the AI chips that you want. Quid pro quo should be illegal. I'm sure there's going to be a lawsuit over it now that the expose came out. But the New York Times is fighting back, just like the Wall Street Journal fought back. You know, the Wall Street Journal got sued for its$50 billion or whatever the number is down in the Southern District of Florida in Miami. And they fought back the next day writing a worse article against Donald Trump about Epstein.

36:18Michael Popok:See, never pick a fight with somebody who buys ink by the barrel full. and the reason that donald give you the legal litigation reason the reason that donald trump sent the uh case to tampa and away from miami is he didn't want to get another uh judge in miami to handle the case and he's afraid of having eileen cannon get the case because i'm sure he's considering elevating her to some appellate court position or maybe the united states supreme court and he doesn't want her to have the Trump case in front of her to foul that up. That's my working theory. I'm going to stay with that until the very end.

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42:37Michael Popok:The rates are announced at about 2.30 p.m. Eastern Time. One of them is Lisa Cook. It took a ruling by Judge Cobb, which found on a preliminary injunction that Lisa Cook's firing for purported mortgage fraud, more about that in a minute, was both a violation of her Fifth Amendment due process rights and was improper for cause to remove her from her 14-year seat on the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. That particular decision went up to eventually got affirmed just late last night, two to one by the D.C. or the United States District Court Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, two to one with Judge Childs and Judge Garcia siding with the Lisa Cook position.

43:31Michael Popok:there because it was an emergency appeal. They didn't really get to the substance, what we call the merits of the appeal. So instead, they made a relatively straightforward ruling and said, we don't have to get to whether the mortgage fraud allegations are true or not, or whether they're sufficient to remove a Federal Reserve Board of Governor. No, we'll just focus on due process. See, I've been saying since I heard the hearing, the evidentiary hearing conducted by Judge Cobb, I've been saying that the due process, the lack of a hearing, an ability to defend against the allegations of mortgage fraud was the most glaring and most striking aspect of the entire case.

44:15Michael Popok:Because I didn't know as much as I do now about the quote unquote mortgage fraud. I said, she's going to win on due process. Cobb went further and said, I don't see how under the case law, even if it was mortgage fraud, that's not the type of misconduct in office that's required for removal. The three-judge panel, two to one, Katzis, the Trump appointee in dissent, of course, said the following. We have jurisdiction over this case because we have the right to do oversight as federal judges over Donald Trump's decision-making process about who's on the Federal Reserve. Secondly, the for-cause protection that the United States Supreme Court has placed over the firing, you can't fire except for good cause or for-cause, that creates a property right under the Fifth Amendment, which says that you can't remove a person's property interest without life, liberty, or property without due process.

45:11Michael Popok:Now, the due process is not often defined. It's usually a version of the ability to file a written response and some sort of hearing. But none of that happened here. As Judge Cobb, as her findings determined, the most that Lisa Cook got was a mean tweet from Bill Pulte, who's the Nepo baby donor to Donald Trump that runs Freddie May and Fannie Mac, effectively bought his job there, who started doing mean postings against Adam Schiff and against and against Letitia James and against Lisa Cook accusing them all of mortgage fraud. Now it turns out it wasn't fraud at all, at least as it relates to Lisa Cook, because she told her lender that the second home she was buying was a second home, was a vacation home.

46:04Michael Popok:What they did after that is not her fault, whether they gave her a lower rate, but she certainly didn't claim it on her taxes or her property taxes as her primary residence. And that's the whole case. That's the whole framing of Lisa Cook. So she wins two to one. Now, we're still waiting, as we went on the air today for this live, for the filing at the United States Supreme Court for Donald Trump on an emergency motion. I mean, he's winning 84 % of his emergency motion applications at the U.S. Supreme Court. 84%. If you're batting 840, you're going to take a shot at this, right? And John Roberts is going to have to make the first decision.

46:37Michael Popok:Now, it may happen while we're up on the air. And if it does, I'll report it to you. But the and then I'll do a sub stack live to bring everybody back together. But the I expect that they're going to appeal. But already Wednesday's upon us. And that's when the other person that barely got in the room, Stephen Mirren, got sworn in fast. Yes. Today, on Tuesday, he's not been briefed at all to be on the board of governors to make the major decision and vote on interest rates. He's one of 12 that gets to vote. He's not prepared. His day job that he's apparently keeping is to be on the White House, to be the head, the chairperson of the Council of Economic Advisors.

47:20Michael Popok:He's not even giving up that job. He's staying in the White House while he's on the Federal Reserve, an independent central bank because he doesn't want to lose the job because if he gives it up and it gets filled by somebody else, he won't get it back. And this position is only for six months because he's replacing somebody whose term would have been up in about six months. So Lisa Cook is going to be there tomorrow, unless John Roberts at midnight tonight takes her off. And he could. They're going to meet in the morning at 10. They're going to announce their decision at 2 to the world, 2, 2.30.

47:55Michael Popok:Stranger things have happened. If I'm wrong or if it happens, I'll, of course, update you. But Mirren is going to be there. Again, not prepared. Awkward, awkward moment with Mirren, whose boss is bashing Lisa Cook left and right, maybe sitting next to Lisa Cook. I don't know. Now, they make their decisions before they even enter the room, and it's done by majority. So you need seven votes for the rate cut. And no surprise, rates are going to get cut tomorrow, probably a quarter point. That's what the Fed has been signaling for the last three weeks. It's just that Mirren and Waller and Bowman on the Trump side want deeper cuts.

48:33Michael Popok:They want like a half a point or a point, not going to happen because it's bad for the economy, because putting too much money into the economy leads to hyperinflation. And hyperinflation means you're paying 20, 30 % more, you know, at the supermarket, at the gas pump for your healthcare, for your rent, for everything else than you were before. And if you have hyperinflation and a stagnant economy, you have stagflation. And the Fed is trying to avoid that with the blunt instrument of rate setting. Lisa Cook was going to vote for that rate cut anyway, and not because Donald Trump has been bashing her.

49:11Michael Popok:She's going to keep her job, I believe. I don't think the Supreme Court, even with the precedent that they've established, is going to remove Lisa Cook, especially since due process has been violated. They may send it back and make the Trump administration give her due process and have her let her the ability to defend herself. and all this evidence I just told you about, which Reuters broke, Reuters news service broke, about she properly told her lender, the credit union, that this was going to be a vacation home or a second home. All that will come out. She'll be able to defend herself. But now that she's been completely undermined reputationally by many, many people, just let her do her job.

49:54Michael Popok:She's the first black woman on the Federal Reserve. Just let her do her job. That's where I come down. So you've got the financial segment of The Intersection. I'm glad you're all here and joining us. And then I want to talk about Brian Kilmeade and why he still exists as a broadcaster. Because he was on Fox News and Fox and Friends when they were talking about a homeless man or an unhoused person who killed a young woman. And while they were debating what to do about the unhoused or homeless problem in America, including many veterans that are on the streets, unfortunately, when they were batting around, well, we got to take them into custody.

50:43Michael Popok:We got to put them into treatment. And if they won't have treatment or whatever, and then Brian Kilmeade on Fox said out loud, just give him a lethal injection. Just kill the homeless people. That is not only a violation of the decency provisions of the Federal Communications Commission, led by a Trumper, led by a Project 2025-er named Brendan Carr, that should lose Fox's license and put Brian Kilmeade out of business. But it's a crime. It's a crime in New York and in most places to solicit murder. It's also a terrorist act or a hate crime. and he should be investigated by the Manhattan District Attorney's Office and prosecuted for it.

51:29No doubt.

51:30Michael Popok:You can't say that out loud. You shouldn't even think it. That a group of disadvantaged, fragile population, they're already without homes. They're on the streets. They're vulnerable. And you just told your mass audience in the wake of what just happened with Charlie Kirk and how unhinged people are on that side to go out and kill the homeless, kill the unhoused? And that's okay. Pam Bondi's talking about, I'm going after hate speech. I did it at the top of the show. I'm going to go after hate speech. You got hate speech right in front of you. It's in the form of Brian Kilmeade calling for the extermination of homeless people.

52:15Michael Popok:I said on a recent video, Hot Take, Like, why don't we just do what Nazi Germany did? Is that what you want, Brian? We'll just tell them we're taking them to the showers and then they never return? Is that what we're going to do? We're going to gas them? Because you don't want to look, as you come out of your fat cat limo, you don't want to step over the homeless that are in front of Fox Plaza or whatever it is on 6th Avenue? Is that it? Brian Kilby is a disgrace. He's everything that's wrong with MAGA and the Trump administration. And he should be removed from my eyesight and taken off the air permanently and prosecuted.

52:51Michael Popok:And I know the feds aren't going to do it, so I'm looking to the Manhattan District Attorney's Office to do it for us, which is what they should exactly do. But they're not going to. Not when you've got J.D. Vance, who called Donald Trump America as a Hitler, now hosting the Charlie Kirk Show from the comfy confines of the West Wing, along with his sidekick, his Ed McMahon, and Stephen Miller, while Kash Patel goes on and starts attacking U.S. senators and saying that they're buffoons and fools while he flounders and drowns before the American people and is likely to be the scapegoat that gets fired by the Trump administration, and for good reason, because we are now unsafe because he is in charge of the FBI.

53:39Michael Popok:And we just saw a living, breathing example of it with the manhunt and the investigation and him going on Fox News, Kash Patel, and talking about DNA and evidence and undermining this suspect's ability to get a fair trial in America. He just handed a gift to the defense. What FBI director talks about the evidence before the investigation is even concluded? This one, this one. What attorney general goes after people who don't agree with the MAGA proposition in America and says they're going to be prosecuted for hate crimes? The Trump administration, Pam Bondi. What state department says they're going to go after visa holders or people that wanted visas who were exercising their First Amendment rights about Charlie Kirk and have their visas pulled.

54:40Marco Rubio, Trump administration. What MAGA Congress holds a religious vigil, holding candles and continuing with the consecration and the exaltation of Charlie Kirk as a martyr

54:59Michael Popok:in the halls of Congress? MAGA Congress. And the way that we can fight back is not with bullets, but with ballots. To paraphrase Lyndon Johnson, to compete in the marketplace of ideas, to reach the American young people that felt disconnected until they found the siren call of Charlie Kirk. We got to get them back. We got to get the youth back. We have to educate them and value inculcate them and train them right and connect with them. It may not be me. I'm not sure a 50-something white guy is going to be the one to break through with what used to be the young Republican club or the disaffected American youth that are on college campuses.

55:56But we have to find a way. We've got to get those voters. I may not agree with most of what the leading candidate for the mayoralty in New York stands for, but if we don't get his voters over to the Democratic Party and find a way to connect with them, it'll be very difficult for us to succeed as a national party.

56:18Michael Popok:Now I'm waiting for the governors and mayors to stand up and senators who are fair-minded, mainly Democrats to stand up at this moment of crisis and fight back and find their footing and find their voice. We all struggled with it. You know, minutes after Charlie Kirk's murder, you know, I was struggling with tonality, what I would say, what I could say, what I thought would be helpful to say. Not because I was worried about being taken off the air, because that's one of the reasons I'm committed to the Midas Touch Network, to the intersection, to Legal AF, and to this community, because nobody censors us, right?

57:02Michael Popok:We know the law. We know what we can say that's appropriate. But I was struggling personally with how to communicate to the audience at that moment, because while there was a whole group of people that were grieving over the death of Charlie Kirk, there was another group of people, a much larger group of people, grieving over the destruction of American values and crying about not having a president that knew how to unite or had any interest in uniting the American people in the light of this murder. And so there was two sobbing groups in America around the same event. And that's where leadership has to step forward.

57:47Michael Popok:We'll do our part here on the Midas Touch Network. I promise you that. As most people know, this is what I do for a living full-time. 35-year legal career. I have the Popoc firm. I'll talk about that in a minute. But my 99 % focus every day, morning till I get up, in the morning when I get up until the evening when I go to bed, is bringing to you the commentary and the solidarity that you're looking for without blowing smoke or sunshine on this platform, on Legal AF YouTube channel, on Midas Touch, on Legal AF Substack, all these different places, right, to bring this group together. Because once we are empowered with the truth and knowledge and strength in numbers, we will overcome the Trump administration.

58:37Michael Popok:We have to. We're watching them flail around. This is one of the most corrupt, this is the most corrupt and divisive presidencies we've ever experienced. And that is everybody in his cabinet is at fault for that. And we'll be held accountable one day at the polls and maybe beyond. Yeah. And maybe beyond. So I'm glad you're here on Intersection. Thank you for making the Intersection a top 100 podcast among all podcasts on YouTube. Thanks for supporting Legal AF and getting us over the 800 ,000 threshold before our one-year birthday tomorrow. And thanks for all of the Legal AFers and Midas Mighty and supporters of me who have come together and also working with me through the Popak Firm.

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