In short
The episode argues that Attorney General Pam Bondi’s federal filing in the Jeffrey Epstein/Ghislaine Maxwell matter undermines Donald Trump’s public claims about “Epstein files” and grand jury transcripts.
Guest
Michael Popok (host/Legal AF, Midas Touch Network), a legal/political commentator.
Key claims
Bondi concedes public interest stems from her own July 6, 2025 closeout memo; the filing admits there’s effectively nothing in the grand jury materials beyond two summary witnesses (an FBI agent and a New York human-trafficking detective).
Notable examples
Bondi’s brief to Judge Engelmeyer (New York) and references to Judge Berman and Judge Rosenberg; the brief lists Jay Clayton as “interim U.S. Attorney” (not confirmed) and names Trump allies Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche. The episode also cites Congress oversight pressure (“Rule of Five”/“Rule of Seven”).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump and Epstein: Legal Revelations
1:00 to 7:28
Discussion on how a federal filing by Attorney General Pam Bondi challenges Trump's narrative regarding the Epstein case.
“She just totally undercut his entire political rhetoric because, you know, they had to file it in court to try to get the quote unquote grand jury transcripts.”
Judge Engelmeyer's Orders and Public Interest
8:41 to 14:00
Analysis of Judge Engelmeyer’s recent orders regarding the Epstein files and the implications for public interest.
“And so Judge Engelmeyer called them out.”
Introduction to Legal AF YouTube Channel
14:00 to 14:22
Learn about the launch of the Legal AF YouTube channel and its purpose.
“Go to YouTube now and free subscribe at Legal AFMTN.”
Transcript
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1:00Michael Popok:Leave it to Attorney General Pam Bondi in a new federal filing to completely undercut everything Donald Trump is telling the public, desperately telling the public to make them stop asking questions about the Epstein files. She just totally undercut his entire political rhetoric because, you know, they had to file it in court to try to get the quote unquote grand jury transcripts. And here's the new revelations based on the filings. I'll break down for you. Michael Popok here on the Midas Touch Network and Legal AF. One, she tells a federal judge, Judge Engelmeyer, in her filing that the public is demanding the release of the Epstein files because it's of great public importance.
1:45Michael Popok:She also concedes that the great public importance was basically caused by her own two-page attempt to close out the case with a closeout memo from July the 6th, undated and unsigned, that drove MAGA crazy. And that's the reason there's so much public interest. The more Donald Trump doesn't want public interest, the more the public is interested. So that's the first thing that undercuts the argument of Donald Trump. Remember, he always says it's boring details. You know, child sex trafficking charges against two of his best friends are boring details. Nothing to see here. You must be from a failing paper.
2:23Michael Popok:Isn't there are better things to cover. You know, all those things he says as he's trying to golf with the Secret Service, dropping his ball into each hole as he's trying to golf in Scotland to get away from the Epstein scandal that continues to follow him because he says stupid confessions out loud, like I'm mad at Epstein because he stole my young girls from the spa. And now we've got the filing. I got it right here in my hand. And the second revelation that completely undercuts their argument that the grand jury transcripts represent all of the Epstein files, and we're trying to get them for you, right?
2:56Like some sort of transparency, is the fact that they have to admit in their
2:59Michael Popok:filings to Judge Engelmeyer in New York that there's nothing in the grand jury filings. He's handling it. There's two judges in New York. One of them is Engelmeyer. He deals with everything related to Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwell, because he took over from another judge named Nathan. There's another judge, Judge Berman. He has been the Epstein grand jury and other judge since the beginning. They both issued orders saying, man, we're not ready to release the grand jury materials. Tell us why you need it. File a brief. Give us a proposal. Talk to Maxwell and talk to the victims. And we'll come together next week and figure it out.
3:37Michael Popok:Okay. Another judge in Florida, Judge Rosenberg, has already rejected getting the grand jury materials out of Florida. There was an Epstein grand jury in Florida. That was Judge Rosenberg. Here's the under undercut by Pam Bondi. Why? Why are why is she undercutting Donald Trump's entire argument? Because it's not true. Because when they finally have to put pen to paper and file it in federal court, they got to sort of tell the truth. I mean, this I mean, they start with a lie. When you look at the when you look at what they have filed on the front cover of what they have filed. Here it is. We'll blow it up, but it's side by side.
4:13Michael Popok:It says this brief is being filed by Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche and Jay Clayton. And under Jay Clayton, they say he's the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York. He's not. He's the interim U.S. Attorney, acting interim U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York because he hasn't been confirmed. And what's his claim to fame? Who are all these people? They're all best friends of Donald Trump. Jay Clayton was Donald Trump's Securities and Exchange Commission chair back in the first term and is a golfing buddy of Donald Trump. Trust me, he's a golfing buddy of Donald Trump's.
4:44Michael Popok:Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche, former impeachment and criminal defense lawyers for Donald Trump. So that's who's filing these briefs. So, you know, they're close to Trump. They're buddies and that's their client. So then why do they have to reveal that there's nothing in the grand jury materials. Did you hear me right? Remember when they said they want to redefine the Epstein files as the grand jury material, the witness statements, the testimony, whatever's in the box. That for them is the grand jury, is the Epstein files. Of course, we know better, and we're demanding more. The Epstein files are not just the grand jury.
5:20Michael Popok:There's nothing in the grand jury, which they've now admitted. It's the truckload of documents, Pam Bondi's terms, that were searched and scoured for hours by FBI agents in March and April so she could report to Donald Trump that his names, as he knew, were all over the Epstein files. It's that. It's the gigabytes of information. It's the search warrant results for Epstein and Maxwell and others. It's the victim statements. It's the financial records of the payments from Epstein and Maxwell to the victims. It is all, it is the flight records. It is video. It is audio. It is photographs. It's the results of what was in Jeffrey Epstein's safe.
6:03Michael Popok:I feel like I'm doing Al Capone's safe with Geraldo Rivera. What was in the safe? It's that. That's the Epstein files, okay? And they admit that there's nothing in the grand jury materials. In fact, they tell the court that there's effectively only two witnesses. You heard me right. two total witnesses who testified before two separate grand juries. That's it. And they were both law enforcement. All they were were what we call in the business summary witnesses who were just summarizing the evidence. And so these witnesses were an FBI agent who testified in both Epstein and Maxwell grand juries and a New York detective who worked on a joint task force with the feds who worked in human trafficking.
6:47Michael Popok:That was it. Two witnesses in the Maxwell grand jury, the FBI and the cop, one witness in the Epstein grand jury, the FBI agent. That's it. In fact, when they went for the judge and asked the judges to release the files, they didn't even ask to release the exhibits. Those are the documents, the evidence that was used in front of the grand jury. They didn't even ask for, they don't want that out. They want to so redefine in your mind what the Epstein file is that you'll forget about it. But you're not going to because you're on the Midas Touch Network and we do hourly reports. This episode of Legal AF is brought to you by Moikbox.
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8:51Michael Popok:This government's rationale for the grand jury, which I'm going to read to you in a moment. And it says, but you don't ask me squarely for the documents and the evidence. So if you want that, and I can't tell, tell me that by Monday. Now, here's how Pam Bondi completely screws Donald Trump in a number of ways. It says on page four, top of page four, that why, in section three, why disclosure is being sought in this case, here's what they say. As described above, there is undoubtedly a clearly expressed interest from the public in Jeffrey Epstein's and Ghislaine Maxwell's crimes. Beyond that, there is an abundant public interest in the investigative work conducted by the Department of Justice and the FBI into those crimes.
9:42Michael Popok:Okay, let's stop right there. First of all, the public interest is in the files more than the crimes. And secondly, I wouldn't call what Pam Bondi and Kash Patel are doing investigations into those crimes or investigative work. But I will admit, I will concede to Pam Bondi that she has created a lot of interest that Donald Trump is trying to ignore. She goes on to say, attention given on page five, attention given to the Epstein and Maxwell cases has recently intensified in the wake of the July 6, 2025 memorandum announcing the conclusions of the government's review into the investigation. So she admits that her two-page memo, unsigned and undated, I'll put it up here, where she said that Epstein wasn't murdered and there is no witness list, cleaned up and closed out the investigation, ignoring the truckload of documents right behind her.
10:41Right.
10:41Michael Popok:your memo fueled the flames and Donald Trump trying to put them out is only blowing up in his face, especially when he says confessional things out loud, like the reason I broke up with my BFF Epstein, a sexual predator and pedophile, which I may not have known of the time, but I didn't like the fact he was poaching young girls from my spa at Mar-a-Lago, like Virginia Jufre, who committed suicide in April, by the way. Now, when you put all that together, this is the explanation as to why we want the full and complete Epstein files. The Senate is demanding it. They put together the rule of five, an ancient law on the books for Congress that allows five people on a committee that's responsible for oversight of a particular issue to demand records.
11:32Michael Popok:It's like their subpoena power, even if the chairman of that oversight committee, who's a Republican, won't sign it. It's the gang of seven or the rule of seven in the House. And they're considering doing that too, led by Jamie Raskin. So you got Chuck Schumer and Jamie Raskin and the rest of the senators and congresspeople for the Democrats all trying to hold Donald Trump accountable. As Congress goes into recess, now they got a problem because they want to be out of town. But then if they're out of town too long, they'll give Donald Trump recess power to appoint dozens and dozens of cabinet members and U.S.
12:10Michael Popok:attorneys and ambassadors and other federal officers. I'm not sure they want that. So there's that other tension that's going on. But I love the fact in her filing, she undercuts and just cuts the leg. Like the sawing sound Donald Trump is hearing is Pam Bondi as he's on this long limb being sawed out from behind him. One, she admits there's nothing to see in the files, that the civil cases brought by the victims have revealed all their testimony. The criminal case against Maxwell revealed all their testimony. There's nothing new to see. There's only two witnesses and they're not even seeking the documents anyway.
12:49Michael Popok:So there's nothing in the quote unquote Epstein files that Donald Trump's trying to convince the public he's so diligently trying to release. And her other argument is the public demands the Epstein files. We agree, Pam Bondi. Release all of the Epstein files. Put them up on a website, the wall of receipts related to Epstein and let everybody take a look. Just like you wanted to do with the Jan 6 closed circuit TV videotape of the attack on the Capitol. For everybody to make a revelation, everybody to make their own conclusion. Here we go. People like their own facts. We'll give them their own facts.
13:29Michael Popok:They can render their own conclusions. So that's where we are right now. That's the filing. There's going to be more filings on Monday. You know where to follow it. Legal AF here on the Midas Touch Network. The podcast I co-founded with Ben Micellis five years ago. we sit at that intersection of law politics and now you see why every every wednesday and saturday at 8 p.m eastern time and then we've got the new legal af youtube channel legal af youtube legal af mtn 10 12 new videos every day about these issues and of course more over on legal af that i curate so my next report i'm michael popock in collaboration with the midas touch network we just launched the legal af youtube channel help us build this pro-democracy channel where i'll be curating the top stories, the intersection of law and politics.
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From the publisher
AG Pam Bondi just sawed both legs out from under Trump in a new Federal Court filing: (1) she concedes that there is a “great public interest” in the Epstein Files caused in part by her office’s own 2 page “close out” memo from early July; and (2) that there is nothing in the Grand Jury materials that consist of only 2 TOTAL witnesses (both law enforcement not conspirators or victims) that the public hasn’t already seen. Michael Popok of Legal AF takes a hard look at the new filing and the judge’s order and why this blows up Trump’s whole series of ‘denials and attempts to make the Epstein Scandal and his role in it go away.
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