Trump FBI Pick's Dirty Secret Surfaces

11 Aug 2025 · 16 min · 6 chapters

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In short

The episode argues that Kash Patel, newly confirmed FBI director, had a “dirty secret” tied to his testimony before a grand jury investigating Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago records case. It claims Patel invoked the Fifth Amendment, later waived it only after receiving immunity, and that Judge Beryl Howell found his conduct nearly contemptuous. It also criticizes how much of Jack Smith’s Mar-a-Lago report was released, alleging Patel’s testimony section in Volume 1 was withheld.

Guests/hosts

Michael Popok (host). No other guests are interviewed in the transcript; it mentions journalist Adam Klassfeld as a contributor for future Legal AF videos.

Key claims

Patel helped Trump’s efforts to keep records from the National Archives; he publicly claimed declassification (“magic words”) and blamed paperwork failures on White House counsel; he avoided Senate cross-examination about Fifth Amendment/immunity.

Notable examples

Politico’s reporting on unredacted docket entries; Judge Howell’s supervision of grand jury witnesses; Walt Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira as other defendants; Eileen Cannon’s injunction delaying report release.

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Chapters

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Kash Patel's Controversial Role

0:55 to 1:25

Discussion on Kash Patel's involvement with Trump and the FBI.

“By the time I hit my 50s, I'd learned a few things.”

Kash Patel's Controversial Role

2:20 to 4:59

Discussion on Kash Patel's involvement with Trump and the FBI.

“I don't know about you, but I like my federal FBI directors not to have taken the fifth and not to have been given immunity.”

Kash Patel's Testimony and Implications

4:59 to 8:13

Analysis of Patel's actions during the investigations and his immunity.

“but at the time he got on Donald Trump's radar as a reliable person.”

Implications of Missing Reports

8:19 to 14:00

Discussion on the significance of the missing reports in the investigations.

“He failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings.”

New Reporting and Podcast Features

14:00 to 14:20

Discover the latest updates and offerings from Legal AF.

“All the other contributors from Legal AF are there as well.”

Implications of Missing Reports

15:19 to 15:39

Discussion on the significance of the missing reports in the investigations.

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2:19Michael Popok:I don't know about you, but I like my FBI directors who don't take the Fifth Amendment when they're asked to appear before a grand jury about a guy named Donald Trump that may have committed and was indicted for committing obstruction of justice and espionage down at Mar-a-Lago. And now we've got new reporting coming out because Politico worked very hard, along with some other media agencies, to make sure that those blacked out, redacted entries on dockets about the grand juries investigating Donald Trump, that those black tapes be removed so the public can see it, even if it's now three years later and long after Kash Patel was confirmed as FBI director.

3:01Michael Popok:But now we know that the chief judge at the time, Beryl Howell, still a judge, just not the chief judge, she found not only did he take the Fifth Amendment and eventually dropped it because Jack Smith's prosecution team gave him immunity. So we have a F, get this straight. We got an FBI director, best friend of Donald Trump, who helped Donald Trump hide the documents, hide the ball at Mar-a-Lago, who took the Fifth Amendment and only was forced to waive it and testify to the grand jury against Donald Trump because he was given immunity. I don't know about you, but I like my federal FBI directors not to have taken the fifth and not to have been given immunity.

3:48Michael Popok:I don't think that's a badge of honor that should get you the job. And now we've got the new reporting that Beryl Howell, who was overseeing in her role as chief judge of all things D.C. federal court, she was responsible for the witnesses and making sure the witnesses go into the grand jury. She supervised all things grand jury, not just Donald Trump's grand jury, all grand juries, including the Trump grand juries, including the Mar-a-Lago Trump grand juries. And so when Kash Patel kept playing footsie with Jack Smith, oh, I can't make it, can't make it next week, can't make it, sorry, cancel, cancel, cancel to come into the grand jury and testify, can't get a lawyer, can't, I don't know, I'm busy.

4:28Michael Popok:She had it. And now we know what she ruled in her order. It would have been nice if we had known it before. There's a lot of things that would have been nice if we had known it before. There was a whole section about Kash Patel in Volume One of the Mar-a-Lago report by Jack Smith that we never saw and still haven't seen. We'll talk about that too. Here on the Midas Touch Network and Legal AF, I'm Michael Popok. Kash Patel, back in the news, our FBI director, formerly right-wing podcaster. So how did we get here? Well, he, Kash Patel, got into Donald Trump's orbit because he worked on the investigative committee concerning Russiagate way back when, worked for Devin Nunez, who now works or had worked for Donald Trump with one of his media companies, Truth Social.

5:19Michael Popok:but at the time he got on Donald Trump's radar as a reliable person. I also learned something I didn't know before. Kash Patel's full name. Donald Trump likes to call Barack Obama by his full name because he thinks it's going to remind people that he's a secret Muslim. Well, Kash Patel, your FBI director's name is Kashyap Prabhupada Patel. I have no problem with that. It just happens to be his formal legal name and it was listed in the docket. So I wanted to repeat it. So Kashyap is working with Donald Trump against or interfacing with the National Archives and about the National Archives Records Act, because Donald Trump's claiming, remember, at Mar-a-Lago that he gets to take everything out of the White House, all the classified, declassified, top secret, all the nuclear codes and war plans.

6:08Michael Popok:He gets to take them all with him because they're his or his documents. It says it's mine, mine, mine. And he uses Kash Patel to run interference with the National Archive who wants it all back because they're the people's documents. They're the public documents, the presidential records. Historians need to see it. Maybe future prosecutors need to see it. We need to see it. Academics need to see it. Whatever. That's how we operate. Donald Trump had Kash Patel go, for instance, on Breitbart and say, no, it's all unclassified. He unclassified everything. And here's, does anybody really believe this?

6:45Michael Popok:Here's what he actually said on Breitbart. Trump declassified whole sets of materials in anticipation of leaving government that he thought the American people should have the right to read themselves. So Donald Trump wanted the American people to read them. So he was going to store them at Mar-a-Lago in the bathroom in the dining room. And then what do I do? I call up and while I'm making, you know, oh, can I buy into the golf course in Mar-a-Lago, a million dollars short? Do you have a room there? And can I also take a look at all the boxes that you have that the American people have a right to see?

7:15Michael Popok:This is just, I mean, just so insulting to the American people. Everything about Donald Trump and the administration and those around him are just insulting to the intelligence of the American people. Guys know I love my late night snacks, but not the sugar crash after. That's why I'm obsessed with Magic Spoon. It's the cereal and treats you remember from your childhood reinvented. Each serving of their high protein cereal has a wild 13 grams of protein. Zero sugar and only four grams of net carbs. Perfect if you're carb conscious or living that low carb lifestyle. And the flavor is straight out of the Saturday morning cartoons.

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8:24Michael Popok:Oh, it's the lawyer's fault. Right. It's Pat Cipollone's fault. He failed to generate the paperwork to change the classification markings. But that doesn't mean the information wasn't declassified. I was there with President Trump when he said the magic words, Beetlejuice, sorry, we are declassifying this information. Okay, so that I assume was some version of his testimony to the grand jury that Beryl Howell is all upset about because he played cat and mouse long enough with Jack Smith and she found him almost in contempt. She says it is contumacious or contemptuous. I usually say contumacious.

9:02Michael Popok:But the real takeaway from all this is to remind people, he took the Fifth Amendment, right? And it matters that the guy, I mean, Donald Trump took the Fifth Amendment in many cases as well. According to Donald Trump, that's what criminals do. If you have nothing to hide, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment? And he only came clean and gave this bullshit story about records and declassification, apparently, when he was given immunity. So he knows his story's BS. So they have to give him immunity or he's not going to testify. It's very hard to compel somebody to testify. They're just going to take the Fifth Amendment in front of the grand jury.

9:40Michael Popok:and then we have of course the mar-a-lago saga so why wasn't a lot of this investigated at the confirmation hearing for cash patel first of all he refused to talk about his testimony in his view smartly because he's like they don't know what i said i'm not going to tell him what i said they didn't really hammer him on the fifth amendment assertion which they should have and the fact that he was given immunity and run him through that, run that through. But there would have been a lot more to cross-examine Kash Patel with if Merrick Garland hadn't been kind of a little bit asleep at the switch, a little slow-footed in releasing the Jack Smith reports.

10:22Michael Popok:Remember, he had two volumes of reports, one about Mar-a-Lago, one about the D.C. election interference. In volume one about Mar-a-Lago, there was, we know there was, an entire section about Kash Patel and his testimony. But Eileen Cannon, remember that blast from the past, federal judge down in Florida, she stopped the release of the report with an injunction and an order because there were two other criminal defendants who did not have immunity in the case because she had stopped the case against Donald Trump already, citing immunity and improper special prosecutor appointment, whatever. But there were still the two other guys, Walt Nauta and Carlos de Oviera, that worked with Trump, so the indictment goes, to obstruct justice and hide the fact that they had stolen everything.

11:19Michael Popok:Try to erase the video, surveillance cameras, change the locks, hide the documents, put things in Broncos and then on airplanes to get away from Mar-a-Lago, hide things, you know, and move things away from federal investigators who were arriving or hiding them from Donald Trump's own lawyers. That testimony came out. But that report would have been fascinating. And all Merrick Garland had to do, because he said, I don't believe you have the power to force me not to release that. That would be a separation of powers issue. And he could have taken that up to the 11th Circuit, and he would have probably won.

11:56Michael Popok:but he agreed not to release volume one, which I just never, I never understood. All he had to do, by the way, is just dismiss the case against Di Olivera, the IT worker and Walt Nauta, the butler, like a elaborate game of Clue and just dismiss it. Then there's no case. There's no jurisdiction. There's no power. You take away the power of Eileen Cannon and you release the report, which was the more important thing to do for the American people that volume one and volume two be released. Instead, he gave volume two to Pam Bondi, telling her to do it. We'll never see that. We should forget the Epstein files.

12:37Michael Popok:I mean, don't forget the Epstein files. I want to see that released. So that's one. And two, the American people wanted to see what was inside there before the election. But no, didn't happen. And then we didn't have it. The Senate didn't have it to cross-examine Kash Patel with. But now we have drips and drabs of what happened. Kash Patel, Fifth Amendment privilege, given immunity, almost found in contempt by Judge Beryl Howell, and now is our FBI director. We'll continue to follow all of this right here on the Midas Touch Network. Take a minute, hit the free subscribe button, but come on over to Legal AF, the YouTube channel, and do the exact same thing there, Legal AF MTN.

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New reporting has uncovered that FBI Director Kash Patel was on the verge of being found in contempt by the federal judge overseeing Trump’s Mar a Lago criminal grand jury, in addition to his taking the 5th Amendment against self incrimination and only testifying after being given criminal immunity. Just what we want in an FBI director. Popok also examines why the public didn’t know about this at the time of Patel’s confirmation hearing.

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