In short
The episode centers on newly uncovered Jeffrey Epstein–Ghislaine Maxwell emails and how they allegedly implicate Donald Trump in Epstein’s abuse network. It also ties the release of Epstein files to Rep. Adelita Grijalva’s congressional actions to discharge a petition for public release. Guests/backgrounds: no podcast guests are interviewed in the transcript; the host is Michael Popak, referencing reporting from Todd Blanche (Trump’s DOJ investigation) and journalist Michael Wolff.
Key claims
(1) A 2011 email says Trump spent hours at Epstein’s house with a “victim,” and Maxwell “forgot” it during deposition. (2) Wolff–Epstein emails (2015) suggest PR coaching about how to respond to Trump questions. (3) The host argues Trump’s “Epstein resigned” story is timeline-shifted, tied to a Palm Beach property dispute, and that Trump allegedly knew about Maxwell using Mar-a-Lago to recruit girls.
Notable examples
the April 2, 2011 email; the Dec. 15, 2015 Wolff exchange; Mar-a-Lago “resignation” Q&A.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroduction to Epstein's Emails
0:00 to 0:26
Discussion on the implications of new emails related to Epstein.
“Most travel programs make your company pay.”
Introduction to Epstein's Emails
1:08 to 1:36
Discussion on the implications of new emails related to Epstein.
“Me, Reese Witherspoon, in London, ordering fish and chips so often they might start wrapping me in paper.”
Introduction to Epstein's Emails
1:57 to 2:55
Discussion on the implications of new emails related to Epstein.
“He spent hours at Jeffrey Epstein's house with an underage or girl victim.”
Grijalva's Role in Reopening Congress
2:55 to 3:41
Examining the impact of Representative Grijalva's swearing-in on the Epstein case.
“What's the impact of that on the Epstein scandal?”
New Revelations from Epstein's Emails
3:41 to 4:40
Analysis of emails indicating Trump's relationship with Epstein.
“And that's coming out of some new reporting as well.”
Maxwell's Denial and Its Implications
4:40 to 5:40
Exploring Ghislaine Maxwell's deposition and the consequences of her claims.
“Ghislaine Maxwell responds, I've been thinking about that.”
PR Coaching Between Wolff and Epstein
5:40 to 8:13
Discussing a 2015 email exchange regarding PR strategy related to Trump.
“So she obviously lied to the American people and to Todd Blanche.”
Trump's Relationship with Epstein
8:13 to 10:46
Analyzing the timeline and nature of Trump's connection to Epstein.
“and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime.”
Final Thoughts on Epstein Scandal
10:46 to 11:34
Concluding discussion on the recent revelations and ongoing investigations.
“This is now regaining momentum now that the government is about to reopen.”
Final Thoughts on Epstein Scandal
14:29 to 15:24
Concluding discussion on the recent revelations and ongoing investigations.
“You work hard to keep your family healthy.”
Transcript
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2:22Michael Popok:He spent hours at Jeffrey Epstein's house with an underage or girl victim. And then some other reporting about Michael Wolff, the reporter. Let's put this in context here on the Midas Touch Network and on Legal AF. You've got today Representative Adelita Grijalva from the 7th District in Congress from Arizona, who is going to be sworn in. They had to reopen Congress finally in order to presumably to end the shutdown. And one byproduct of that is that Grijalva, who won a special election over six weeks ago, will finally be sworn in. What's the impact of that on the Epstein scandal? She will sign the discharge petition, giving 218 signatures to get out of a committee a bill to the House floor to release all of the Epstein files to the American people.
3:17Michael Popok:That happened today. And that, of course, is terrible for Donald Trump because it keeps the Epstein scandal, his cover up involvement alive. We also have separate reporting that came out this week that Republican congresspeople who have been briefed about what's inside the Epstein files believe they are worse for Donald Trump and for others than previously reported. And that's coming out of some new reporting as well. So you have those two things as a backdrop. Ghislaine Maxwell seeking to have her sentence commuted, reporting that she's getting a sweetheart treatment, like a Beverly Hills style treatment within her federal prison, which is pissing off a lot of other prisoners and people providing oversight.
4:06Michael Popok:And now you have the new emails. Let's get to the emails. Here's the three. And we'll post them in Legal AF Substack. First, you have the email from Jeffrey Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell, April 2nd, 2011. I want you to realize that the dog that has embarked is Trump. Blacked out redacted victim's name, spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned. Police chief, etc. I'm 75 % there. I'm not sure what that exactly means. Ghislaine Maxwell responds, I've been thinking about that. So here we have Epstein in real time in 2011, saying that Donald Trump spent hours at Jeffrey Epstein's house, apparently, with a victim.
4:59Michael Popok:And that he's surprised that Donald Trump hasn't been implicated back in 2011, when there were all this reporting that had broken out in the British press about Epstein. And Ghislaine Maxwell agrees. Recall that when Ghislaine Maxwell was interviewed, I'm going to show you a clip here, she denied in her deposition that was released by Donald Trump's Department of Justice that Donald Trump had done anything wrong. Well, apparently she had forgotten this email. And of course, Todd Blanche, who did the investigation for Donald Trump, the evaluation of her testimony didn't have these documents, didn't want these documents, and didn't ask her about these documents.
5:40Michael Popok:So she obviously lied to the American people and to Todd Blanche. Let's play the clip of that interview and then put it up against this email. Let's run it. Mr. Epstein and President Trump together. Yes. And there's photographs of, I think you're in some of the photographs as well. Those all appear to be social settings. Yes. That's my memory. If there was social settings, I don't know Epstein's, if he had, whatever the nature of the president's friendship, if you will, however you want to define that with Epstein. I was never witnessed. I think they were friendly, like people are in social settings.
6:19I don't, I don't think they were close friends or I certainly never witnessed the president in any, I don't recall.
6:29Michael Popok:I've been thinking about a victim who'd spent hours with Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein's house and what that could mean. Ghislaine Maxwell seems to have forgotten all that when she's trying to pretty herself up and act like a victim in order to get her sentence commuted and get a pardon. Then there's an interesting email exchange. Michael Wolff in 2015 had an exchange, the journalist, with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, he's written a number of books about Trump. He was working on a book about Jeffrey Epstein. He's been very public about the information and knowledge he obtained. Here, though, there's an exchange between Michael Wolff and Jeffrey Epstein about if Jeffrey Epstein is questioned or Donald Trump is questioned and how that should go.
7:14Michael Popok:A little bit of PR coaching here, it appears at first blush. Michael Wolff to Epstein. I hear CNN planning to ask Trump tonight about his relationship with you, either on air or in scrum afterwards. This is December 15th, 2015. and um he then says epstein says in response if you were able to craft an answer for him what do you think it should be and he writes back to epstein i think you should let him hang himself talking about trump if he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house then that gives you a valuable pr and political currency meaning epstein knows that's not true you can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or if it really looks like you could win, you could save him generating a debt.
8:08Michael Popok:Of course, it is possible that when asked, he'll say, Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime. So there's a little bit of coaching by Michael Wolff, the journalist.
8:26Michael Popok:And then you have on the resignation issue. Donald Trump always says he had Jeffrey Epstein resign. He barred him from Mar-a-Lago. When he found out he was a creep, through other reporting, we think the timeline is different. We think the timeline is Donald Trump had a fight with Jeffrey Epstein over a $44 million piece of property in Palm Beach County. And when Donald Trump had to bid more than he wanted to, because Jeffrey Epstein was the stalking horse in the auction at the courthouse, He sort of was pissed off about it. And that is the beginning of the end of the friendship between Epstein and Trump, having nothing to do with him thinking he was a creep.
9:05Michael Popok:Although that doesn't help Donald Trump, because if he thought he was a creep, he thought he was a creep because he was sexually abusing girls, raping them. And if he knew that at the time, why didn't Donald Trump report that to the authorities? Here's what the Q &A between Wolf and Epstein is in 2019. about a victim whose name is blacked out, Mar-a-Lago. Trump said he asked me to resign, but I'd never a member ever. Of course, he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop. What could that be? Ghislaine Maxwell using as a predator, the hunting ground of Mar-a-Lago to get women, girls, over to girls, as Epstein calls them, over to Jeffrey Epstein and allowing it and then deciding to tell him to stop.
9:59Michael Popok:So all Trump did was to tell Ghislaine Maxwell to stop her predator behavior of picking up girls and having them be sexually exploited and raped by Jeffrey Epstein. He doesn't call the authorities. He doesn't call the police. He doesn't call out his friends like Prince Andrew. I mean, this revelation obviously calculated these three emails now to push back against and shove back against the drumbeat to try to get Ghislaine Maxwell and her pardon, her asking for all of that, the new reporting that shows that what's inside of the files, which hopefully will now be released by Grijalva, now Adelita Grijalva, Representative Grijalva being sworn in and signing the discharge petition.
10:49Michael Popok:This is now regaining momentum now that the government is about to reopen. We'll continue to follow it, you know, all of it, as Donald Trump continues to cover up what some reporting has said is even worse information inside of the files about him than had previously been disclosed. And these emails indicate hours spent with a victim, a girl in Jeffrey Epstein's home. Jeffrey Epstein questioning why no one's going after Donald Trump, shaping the PR around Donald Trump and his involvement. Donald Trump knowing about Ghislaine Maxwell using Mar-a-Lago as a predator hunting ground. So that's just this week, folks.
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From the publisher
In breaking news, new Epstein and Maxwell emails have been released by the Bi Partisan House Oversight Committee that spell disaster for Trump, as they reveal that even Epstein thought Trump had been involved with “girls” at his home, a fact confirmed by Maxwell in an email, providing that Maxwell lied in her interview with Trump’s DOJ to try to get a pardon. Michael Popok examines the new emails against the backdrop of Rep. Grijalva being sworn in today and her quest to get the Epstein files released, new reporting that the Epstein Files hidden by Trump are much worse for him than previously thought, and Maxwell’s renewed efforts to get clemency or a pardon from Trump.
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