Trump Gets Extremely Desperate as He Faces His Fate

28 Oct 2025 · 18 min · 7 chapters

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In short

The episode argues that Donald Trump’s floated “third term” idea would violate the 22nd Amendment and amount to treason, describing a hypothetical plan where a VP candidate resigns so Trump can assume the presidency again.

Guest backgrounds

The episode is hosted by Michael Popak (Midas Touch Network; Popak Firm personal-injury attorney). No other guests are interviewed in the transcript; it references “Attorney General Rob Bonta” as someone Popak spoke with.

Key claims

Steve Bannon (described as a “coup plotter” who went to jail and testified to the Jan 6 committee) raised third-term talk in an Economist interview; Trump responded. Popak claims polling shows ~80% of Americans reject a third term, and argues Trump is “trolling” to stay relevant as a lame-duck.

Notable examples

Bannon’s “Trump 28” clip; Popak’s hypothetical end-run via resignation/25th Amendment; Trump’s remarks about “best poll numbers” and “solved eight wars.”

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Chapters

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Trump and the Violation of the 22nd Amendment

0:00 to 0:13

Discussion on Trump's remarks about a potential third term and its implications.

“I'm Serena Williams, and I'm healthier on Roe.”

Trump and the Violation of the 22nd Amendment

1:58 to 3:40

Discussion on Trump's remarks about a potential third term and its implications.

“He thinks it's the antidote to being lame duck at the midterms to be flirting or trolling the American people about a possible third term in violation of the 22nd Amendment.”

Steve Bannon's Coup Plans

3:40 to 6:40

Examination of Steve Bannon's plans regarding Trump's future.

“That's pretty resounding, including having a lot of MAGA make up that 80 percent.”

The Political Landscape for Trump

6:40 to 8:00

Analysis of Trump's current poll numbers and public reception.

“where he's having trade-offs all the time.”

Trump's Narrative and Political Strategy

8:00 to 11:40

Exploring Trump's narrative and strategy as he faces potential irrelevance.

“What meat puppet are they going to get to do that?”

The Future of Trump's Political Aspirations

11:40 to 14:00

Speculation on Trump's future and how to ensure political stability.

“And when you look at the treaty we just did, that was a war.”

The Political Landscape Ahead of Midterms

14:00 to 15:49

Learn about the political strategies and sentiments regarding Trump's future and the upcoming elections.

“then you make sure that the Democrats take the House and the Senate at the midterms and in 2028.”
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1:58Michael Popok:Donald Trump's talking treason. He thinks it's the antidote to being lame duck at the midterms to be flirting or trolling the American people about a possible third term in violation of the 22nd Amendment. It's treason. And any plan that Steve Bannon, you know, the coup plotter that went to jail, any plan that Steve Bannon or others around Donald Trump are proposing, a version of Donald Trump will be vice president and then the president on the way after he's elected will resign and Donald Trump will become president. No violation of the 22nd Amendment is nothing more than treason. It's another good reason why we have to make sure the Democrats win the House and the Senate to prevent Donald Trump's third term.

2:41Michael Popok:I don't actually believe he thinks he can get a third term, but I'm flirting with it. Him suggesting it's him trolling it is a way to have political expediency and political capital that he wouldn't normally have. All of the Trump 2028 hats and all of that. I'm Michael Popak. You're here on the Midas Touch Network. he's on a Japanese-Asian swing, I guess. And they decided that the media decided to ask questions because Steve Bannon, in an interview with The Economist, raised the third term again. Let's talk about the treason. Let's talk about the violation of the 22nd Amendment and why I think Donald Trump is really, really floating this idea of never leaving office.

3:30Michael Popok:First of all, 80 percent of America in new polling not only have have rejected Donald Trump, but 80 percent don't want him running for a third term. That's pretty resounding, including having a lot of MAGA make up that 80 percent. I mean, 63 % of America do not want Donald Trump and have rejected Donald Trump and Trumpism and Trump economics and Trump tariff policy and immigration policy and civil disobedience policy and First Amendment abuse. They rejected him. 80 % are like third term. Are you effing kidding me? Now, let's start with how all this happens. Coup plotter in chief Steve Bannon, who I will remind you, went to jail for failure to turn over documents and testified to the Jan 6 committee, who was in the Willard Hotel with Rudy Giuliani and Michael Flynn plotting the coup to keep Donald Trump in power even after he'd lost in 2020.

4:30Michael Popok:He floated the idea that they've come up with a plan to keep him in office, to which Donald Trump had to respond or willingly responded to in the last 24 hours. Let's play the clip of Steve Bannon. He's going to get a third term. So Trump 28. Trump is going to be president 28. And people just ought to get accommodated with that. So what about the 22nd Amendment? There's many different alternatives. At the appropriate time, we'll lay out what the plan is. But there's a plan. We had longer odds in 16 and longer odds in 24 than we got in 28. And President Trump will be the president of the United States, and the country needs him to be president of the United States.

5:05We have to finish what we started. Trump is a vehicle. I know this will drive you guys crazy, but he's a vehicle of divine providence. He's an instrument. He's very imperfect. He's not churchy, not particularly religious, but he's an instrument of divine will. And you can tell this of how he's pulled this off. We need him for at least one more term, right? And he'll get that in 28. You're not driving me crazy. I'm trying to understand the coherence of the things you've just told me. On the one hand, you've said the Constitution is fit for purpose. Secondly, you've said that President Trump needs another term, even though the 22nd Amendment makes pretty clear that he cannot have another term.

5:44Why does it make that clear? Because he's on his second term already. At some point in time, we will make sure we go through Zannie and define all those terms. But you will be undermining the spirit of that amendment, even if you find some way around it. If the American people, with the mechanisms we have, put Trump back in office, are the American people tearing up the Constitution? Would that be tearing up? Would the American people be going against the spirit of the Constitution, ma 'am? I think yes, actually, because I think what you will end up with is a... is a populist justification for a quasi-dictatorship.

6:20That's not true at all. That's what it sounds like. Trump is a dictatorship. Did you just see the compromises he had to make on the big, beautiful bill? You see the compromises he has to do on everything, on accommodating Zelensky, on what President Trump... President Trump is nothing but a series of negotiations to kind of keep this thing rolling forward, where he's having trade-offs all the time. Steve, you've just spent the last 20 minutes telling me we have to smash the other side. There's no room for debate. There's no room for compromise. We must smash them. And now you're telling me this is a negotiation.

6:52I mean, that's - No, no, no. I guess that's why it seems to me some kind of tension there. First off, the only way President Trump wins in 2028 and continues to stay in office is by the will of the American people, okay? And the will of the American people is what the Constitution embodies. And so I think we're gonna be in good hands there. We need to finish what we started.

7:13Michael Popok:What is he talking about? Look, the 22nd Amendment is elegant in its simplicity. It says that no person shall be elected president more than twice. That's it, right? So the only way around it would be not to be elected president the third time, but to back his way into the office because of a president resigning or being taken out of the 25th Amendment. Here's where the treason comes in. So they got to get like a J.D. Vance or a Marco Rubio to commit treason, to violate the oath they took to uphold and defend the Constitution. Lie to the American people that they are they're going to serve out their term and then resign on day one and give Donald Trump the presidency in his mid 80s.

8:04Michael Popok:What meat puppet are they going to get to do that? I mean, I can fill in the blanks there. and they either have to lie to the American people that the person running is running for a full term and is not going to resign. That'll be part of the debates. Can you imagine Gavin Newsom in a 2028 debate with a candidate running, with Donald Trump in the vice president position? Swear and vow now to the American people that you will not resign to allow Donald Trump to get a third term. But that's where we're going to be. So you either have to lie to the American people and do an end run around the Constitution and defraud the American people, or you're committing treason.

8:46Michael Popok:And or you're committing treason. Let's watch Donald Trump's response, in which even he thinks being vice president is too cute. He also lies about his poll numbers. I have some of the greatest poll numbers. He has the lowest poll numbers in the history of the modern presidency at the 10-month mark, period. And that includes the first Trump presidency.

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10:24Michael Popok:63 % of America believe the country is heading in the wrong direction. That means 63 % are rejecting Donald Trump. 63 % of Hispanics who voted in large numbers for Donald Trump helped get him elected have rejected Donald Trump. Two-thirds of Hispanics under the age of 45 have rejected Donald Trump. 70 % of independents have rejected Donald Trump. So where are these poll numbers. He's going to crash below the 30 % approval rating any day now. Oh, we're doing really great. We're doing really great. This is like Adolf Hitler in the final hours of World War II in the bunker. So let's play the clip.

11:22Is that something you think, like, the challenge of the war? Well, I haven't really thought about it. We have some very good people, as you know. But I have the best poll numbers I've ever had. I mean, I just solved eight wars and a ninth is coming. I believe Russia and Ukraine will happen. But we just did. You know, we just left. And when you look at the treaty we just did, that was a war. That was thousands of people were already shot at the border. and when you look at what we just did was pretty amazing pretty amazing we got a lot of a lot of good credit and i really have to thank malaysia for that because they're really the prime minister and everybody really helped get the two countries together but it was uh it was quite a great peace but that was one of eight and uh makes me feel good i mean it's millions of people that we saved I saved the lives of millions of people.

12:18That's what's important. Yeah. We're very good people. They are good people. You said that for 2028, they're very good people. Well, we have great people. I don't have to get into that, but we have one of them standing right here. We have JD, obviously. The vice president is great. I think Marco is great. I think I'm not sure if anybody would run against us. I think if they have a four hundred group, it would be unstoppable. I really do. I believe that. I would love to do it. I have my best numbers ever. It's very terrible. I have my best numbers. If you read it, am I not ruling it out? You'll have to tell me.

13:00All I can tell you is that we have a great group of people, which they don't.

13:05Michael Popok:Now, does he really believe, or his people around him believe, that he can have a third term? No, this is a master troll of the American people in order to give Donald Trump political immediacy and political value as we move towards him becoming a lame duck president at the midterms. His number one fear is he becomes Mr. Irrelevant. So how do you stay not irrelevant? How do you stay relevant? You flirt with the idea that you're never leaving office. That's his antidote for lame duck. We say lame duck. He says third term. He says third term. We say lame duck. That's what we're watching. Because everything else is just a plan for treason.

13:50Michael Popok:Now, if you want to ensure that this is just idle speculation and an academic exercise by Donald Trump to try to remain relevant, it doesn't really come true. then you make sure that the Democrats take the House and the Senate at the midterms and in 2028. Because then we'll have impeachment and removal and conviction powers over a Donald Trump and or this this stalking horse paper, you know, straw man president that would run with him in order to give him the resign and give him the presidency again. To which the I'm going to repeat what I said at the top of this this hot take. 80 % of America, which means 30, a fair amount of MAGA and Republicans do not want Donald Trump a third term.

14:40Michael Popok:They don't even want Donald Trump in a second term. He just will take no for an answer. Right. But polling, quick polling and street protests, which have now grown from 5 million hands-off April, 7 million no kings June, 10 million no kings October. Street protests, civil disobedience, and polling quickly convert to actual votes at the poll on election day. And that's what Donald Trump's biggest fear is, is that he's going to be irrelevant. We're going to make them irrelevant working together. Crowds, courts, and courage, as Attorney General Rob Bonta told me during an interview, that's what we got on our side.

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From the publisher

Trump is trolling America with treasonous talk of a Third Term in order to counter his inevitable Lame Duck status in 2026, as new polling declares that 80 Percent of America, including a large portion of Republicans, reject a Trump “third term.”  Michael Popok looks at the recent remarks by Trump as he gets the band back together from his 2020 coup plotting, like Bannon, to give him political relevancy in the face of historically bad poll numbers and street protests.

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