Trump Gets Rude Awakening as Newsom Gets Major Win

10 Dec 2025 · 18 min · 6 chapters

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In short

The episode argues Democrats should do more to stop Trump, highlighting Colorado AG Phil Weiser as an example of effective litigation. It then focuses on a major legal win for California Governor Gavin Newsom: Senior Judge Breyer issued a preliminary injunction blocking Trump from further “federalizing” the California National Guard.

Key claims

Trump’s administration tried to extend federal control without the limited statutory conditions required by Section 12406; the judge rejected the idea that later extensions are forever unreviewable by courts.

Notable examples

Judge Breyer cited Federalist Papers/James Madison on checks and balances and noted about 300 guardsmen remained under federalization control and were sent to other states.

Guests

Michael Popak (host). Mentioned but not interviewed: Phil Weiser (Colorado AG) and Rob Bonta (California AG, scheduled for an interview Friday).

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Chapters

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Judge Breyer's Order on National Guard

0:50 to 3:20

Discussion on Judge Breyer's ruling regarding the National Guard and Trump’s federalization.

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Checks and Balances in Government

3:20 to 6:20

Exploration of the checks and balances according to the Constitution as discussed by Judge Breyer.

“that the federalized troops of Donald Trump must go.”

Implications of Trump's Federalization

6:20 to 10:00

Analyzing the implications of Trump's attempts to federalize the National Guard.

“interview exclusively on Friday about this case, they get the win here, folks.”

Awaiting Supreme Court Guidance

11:10 to 14:00

Discussion on the necessity for Supreme Court rulings on the use of National Guard and regular forces.

“First of all, Judge Breyer, knowing that the parties need to appeal this, built in an appeal process.”

Legal Processes in Motion

14:00 to 15:09

Discussion on the ongoing legal strategies and implications of recent rulings.

“But he can't just sit around like, well, I'll just sit around and wait for the Supreme Court to give me some rulings.”

Upcoming Interview with Rob Bonta

15:09 to 15:42

Teaser about an upcoming interview with Attorney General Rob Bonta regarding legal tactics.

“As they appeal in real time, the Trump administration will appeal by Monday to try to get a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit to rule in their favor and block Judge Breyer's order while the appeal is continuing.”
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0:00Seriously, why aren't Democrats in Washington doing more to stop Trump? I know. Have you heard about Phil Weiser in Colorado, though? No. Is he different? Yeah. A.G. Weiser sued the Trump administration 65 times. He's beating Trump in court again and again. Things like protecting Obamacare against Trump's illegal tariffs. And he even won against Ticketmaster. So he actually gets results. Exactly. As governor, Phil will fight for Colorado. Paid for by Phil Weiser for Colorado Registered Agent Anna Noskezi. This summer, FanDuel is the best place to bet on goals. Including equalizers? Uh-huh. Balls?

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1:57In minutes on Monday.com. Seriously, why aren't Democrats in Washington doing more to stop Trump? I know. Have you heard about Phil Weiser in Colorado, though? No. Is he different? Yeah. A.G. Weiser sued the Trump administration 65 times. He's beating Trump in court again and again. Things like protecting Obamacare against Trump's illegal tariffs. And he even won against Ticketmaster. So he actually gets results. Exactly. As Governor, Phil will fight for Colorado. Paid for by Phil Weiser for Colorado Registered Agent and Innoskese.

2:56Michael Popok:violence in the streets that is stopping the president from executing federal law without the National Guard. And Judge Breyer, who is the brother, the older brother of former Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer, has had enough and has decided, citing to the founding fathers and the framers, that the National Guard in California must be returned to Gavin Newsom as the governor, that the federalized troops of Donald Trump must go. Subject, of course, to an appeal likely by Monday. I'm Michael Popak. You're on the Mind is Touch Network. I've got the order in my hands. I'm going to read it to you right here.

3:35Michael Popok:Take a minute, hit the free subscribe button over on Legal AF YouTube. We're at 980 ,000 subscribers. We got to get to a million to prepare ourselves for 2026. And with your help, we will. Okay, let's get to the new order. Let me read to you from the parts that Judge Breyer found shocking. I mean, when a federal judge once again has to cite to the Federalist Papers and our founding, you know we're in trouble, but we're also in a good place by having a judge like Breyer protecting democracy. Here's the shocking part. He says on page 10 of the order granting the preliminary injunction and banning the National Guard from being taken over anymore by Donald Trump because Donald Trump just tried to extend the federalization in October, although there's no violent problem.

4:31Michael Popok:There's no protest problem in California stopping him from being able to execute immigration law. Here's what Judge Breyer says. He said, defendants attempt, and that's the Trump administration, attempt to circumvent the scope of Section 12406. That's the statute by which a president can take over under limited circumstances a state militia and violate federalism. It's what Congress has delegated to the president under a unique and discreet set of circumstances that are no longer present in California. He said, the attempt to circumvent the scope of the Section 12406 by characterizing the orders by Pete Hegseth as just extensions of federalization, which they argue are therefore outside the statute's reach.

5:18Michael Popok:Indeed, at the motion hearing, Judge Breyer continues, defendants confirmed their position that after an initial federalization, the initial takeover, all extensions of the federal federalization orders are unreviewable by a court forever. This is shocking, says the judge. adopting defendants interpretation would permit a president to create a perpetual police force comprised of state troops so long as they were first federalized lawfully such a scenario would validate the founders widespread fear of a national standing army which they believe pose an intolerable threat to individual liberty and to the sovereignty of the separate states He actually launches into the order granting the motion for preliminary injunction.

6:09Michael Popok:And this is a big win for Governor Gavin Newsom. Once again, just on the heels of his Prop 50 win about the congressional maps, Gavin Newsom and his valiant, intrepid Attorney General, Rob Bonta, who's going to be with me for an interview exclusively on Friday about this case, they get the win here, folks. Here's what Judge Breyer, senior status judge in San Francisco, had to say to start his order. Page one. The founders designed our government to be a system of checks and balances. Defendants, Trump, make clear that the only check they want is a blank one. Six months after they first federalized the California National Guard, defendants still retained control of approximately 300 guardsmen, despite no evidence that execution of federal law is impeded in any way, let alone significantly.

6:56Michael Popok:What's more, defendants have sent California guardsmen into other states, effectively creating a national police force made up of state troops. In response, the plaintiffs, California, moved to enjoin this conduct. Defendants take the position that after a valid initial federalization, all subsequent refederalizations are completely and forever unreviewable by the courts. Defendants' position is contrary to law. Accordingly, the court enjoins the federalization of California National Guard troops. And then he cites James Madison in the Federalist Papers, number 51, to talk about how the various separations and checks and balances are supposed to work.

7:40Michael Popok:James Madison observed, to what expedient then shall we finally resort for maintaining in practice the necessary partition of power among the several departments? That's the balance of power as laid down in the Constitution. In other words, he's positing how do we keep the separation of the co-equal branches of government? How do we keep it and how do we enforce it? He answers it this way. The only answer that can be given is that as all these exterior provisions are found to be inadequate, the defect must be supplied by so contriving the interior structure of the government as that is several constituent parts may, by their mutual relations, be the means of keeping each other in their proper places.

8:24Michael Popok:So it's the friction between the various co-equal branches, the judiciary, the legislative and the executive that we get our checks and balances, not the blank check.

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9:43Give Michael Popak a call. And I'm really proud of you, Popak. Thanks for all the hard work you're putting in.

9:49Michael Popok:Now, you might have remembered that we've talked about Senior Judge Breyer before, because he's issued orders. He already issued an order that's up on appeal that Donald Trump violated the Posse Comitatus Act by using federal armed forces on domestic soil for domestic law enforcement purposes in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. And we're now, you know, we've got that appeal about what are the remedies that a judge can use for having found the violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. Can an injunction be one of them? This judge also came out of the box early on and said that the nationalization of the National Guard initially by Trump was unconstitutional.

10:36Michael Popok:Now, that got reversed by a panel of the Ninth Circuit. But we're now talking about whether in October of this year, months after any protest in front of the ICE facilities happened, whether Trump can just reauthorize through Pete Hegseth, his beleaguered defense secretary, he can just reauthorize without court review because he says so. And the judge says no. And that's a shocking display of raw power to create a standing army that would have made our founding fathers and our framers head spin. This will go up on appeal. First of all, Judge Breyer, knowing that the parties need to appeal this, built in an appeal process.

11:18Michael Popok:He said, I'm going to stay my order on my own until Monday. File your motion, emergency motion, if you will, to the Ninth Circuit. A new three-judge panel will then make a ruling about whether I'm right or I'm wrong. He also admitted, as any good jurist would do, that he's been wrong in the past. He said, my interpretation of Section 12406, which is the governing statute, that's the delegation statute between Congress to the president to allow the president to call up the National Guard. Normally, that's a power of Congress. But there's limited circumstances if the president has determined through court review, after court review, that he cannot execute federal law without having used regular forces.

12:03Michael Popok:And we'll talk about regular forces in a minute. But what that means, he can't do it. He needs backup. Then and only then can he cross over and grab the state militia and federalize them. And only for the period of time that's necessary. Donald Trump sees it as an interminable period of time, an indeterminate period of time, if you will, which also sticks in the craw of constitutionalists like Judge Breyer. So regular forces means what? Judge Breyer interpreted that, as many judges had, meaning you try to use your regular security forces for ICE, you know, your border patrol, your local law enforcement, the sheriffs, you know, the local police.

12:45Michael Popok:And if only then and only then, you still can't execute on your immigration policy. You know, you can't get the people into the facility. You can't get them to court or whatever. Then you can go get the state militia. That's the requirement to cross over and violate state sovereignty under the 10th Amendment. there's another interpretation that regular forces mean the regular forces of the armed services the army the navy the marines the space force the coast guard etc either way judge breyer said even if it was what i thought it was which is local law enforcement plus security forces or it's the armed forces there is no showing in the record that donald trump called up the armed forces or properly used security forces and failing those efforts still could not, or using those efforts, still could not execute on federal law and therefore needed the National Guard.

13:38Michael Popok:That issue of what is regular forces before a president can go grab as backup the National Guard and cross over sovereignty of the state, that's before the United States Supreme Court right now. The judge knows it, and he cited to it. He said, we're still waiting, coming out of an Illinois-Chicago ruling of a judge similar to this one, we're still waiting for the Supreme Court to give us guidance about what is regular forces, what is an ability to execute under the laws. But he can't just sit around like, well, I'll just sit around and wait for the Supreme Court to give me some rulings. He's got a job to do.

14:13Michael Popok:They got wood to chop. Trial court judges got work to do. Appellate court judges got work to do. They can't just sit around and gaze at their navel waiting around for the United States Supreme Court to get off its ass and issue a ruling. Now, if the ruling is different than what Judge Breyer just proposed, and I think he left a wide berth to make sure his opinion would still be valid, you know, recognizing what the rulings could be. I think what he's saying is, regardless of what those rulings are, my ruling should still be intact. But we'll see. If he has to modify it because of the Supreme Court decision, he'll do it.

14:49Michael Popok:It'll go up to the Ninth Circuit. They'll have to make decisions waiting for the Supreme Court. This may actually lead to the Supreme Court finally getting off their ass and making the ruling. And then we'll have to come back and talk about the impact of that. Rob Bonta, the Attorney General, the winner here for Democracy and for America, is going to join me on Friday on Legal AF for a brand new interview about the results in this case, strategy, tactics, and all of that. As they appeal in real time, the Trump administration will appeal by Monday to try to get a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit to rule in their favor and block Judge Breyer's order while the appeal is continuing.

15:29Michael Popok:In the meantime, you're on the Midas Touch Network. Hit the free subscribe button here. Come over to Legal AF YouTube. Do the exact same thing to get us to 1 million subscribers. Make us big. Make us robust. Make us muscular before 2026. We all need it. Until my next report, I'm Michael Popak.

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16:30Yeah. A.G. Weiser sued the Trump administration 65 times. He's beating Trump in court again and again. Things like protecting Obamacare against Trump's illegal tariffs. And he even won against Ticketmaster. So he actually gets results. Exactly. As governor, Phil will fight for Colorado. Paid for by Phil Weiser for Colorado Registered Agent N. Inoskazy.

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In breaking news, a Senior Federal Judge, declaring Trump’s transparent attempt to create a “national police force” and “standing army” in violation of our Nation’s founding principles and Constitution, has ordered that the Trump “federalized” state National Guard in California end, yet another victory for Governor Newsome and Attorney General Bonta, and a resounding loss for Trump. Michael Popok dissects the new order, what will happen next on appeal, and how this case fits into the Supreme Court’s awaited ruling about Trump’s abuse of the National Guard.

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