Trump Panics as Meidas Sues Him… Over Epstein

27 Apr 2026 · 19 min · 5 chapters

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The episode argues that Donald Trump is panicking and deflecting amid legal pressure over the Epstein files and alleged child sex trafficking cover-up. It highlights two recent developments: Trump’s reaction during a CBS 60 Minutes interview with Nora O’Donnell, where she read from an alleged gunman’s manifesto referencing “pedophile” and “rapist,” and a new lawsuit filed by journalist Katie Fang against Todd Blanche (acting attorney general) over failures to comply with the Epstein Transparency Act. The host claims the government violated transparency requirements via improper redactions and produced insufficient materials, harming Fang’s ability to report. Notable examples Fang cites include redacted names in draft indictment materials, redacted emails/notes referencing Epstein contacts, and redacted images/desk photos involving Trump.

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Trump's Reaction to 60 Minutes Interview

4:48 to 6:42

Analyze Trump's response to an interview about allegations against him.

“Go after the left wing and call them anti-Christian.”

Epstein Transparency Act Discussion

6:42 to 7:22

Explore the implications of the Epstein Transparency Act and its enforcement failures.

“The so-called manifesto is a stunning thing to read, Mr.”

Federal Investigations and Accountability

7:22 to 11:03

Discuss the lack of accountability regarding Epstein's associates and victims.

“I got associated with stuff that has nothing to do with me.”

Katie Fang's Lawsuit Details

12:37 to 14:02

Delve into the specifics of Katie Fang's lawsuit related to Epstein documentation.

“I'm not surprised that victims didn't want to come forward and sue the government and leave it to Katie Fang to do it for them.”

Exploring the Epstein Indictments and Trump's Involvement

14:02 to 17:08

Discover the troubling details surrounding the redactions in the Epstein case and its implications for Trump.

“The identity of the person who wrote to Epstein in 2014.”
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3:01Popok:Most of my reports about the media and Donald Trump are about the media being on the receiving end of a lawsuit, a defamation suit brought by Donald Trump. or being criminally targeted by his Department of Justice or his FBI. They're often the defendant in the story that I report on. Now they're the plaintiff as a media and leaders in media are striking back against Donald Trump and his administration for their lack of transparency, for their violation of law in the Epstein files and otherwise. Two great examples all happened within the last 24 hours. One, as Donald Trump went on his manufactured victory tour in the wake of what transpired at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, he met his match in Nora O'Donnell on CBS's 60 Minutes, of all things, where she read aloud from the manifesto of the alleged gunman, and Donald Trump immediately took it as an attack on him for being a rapist and a pedophile.

4:11Popok:But now we've got a lawsuit in addition to that. Speaking of Epstein, we've got a lawsuit that's been filed by my friend, colleague here on the Midas Touch Network, Katie Fang, a journalist, suing Todd Blanche as the acting attorney general for his failures and violations of law about the Epstein files. Sometimes we report on the intersection of law and politics, and sometimes we're at the intersection of law and politics. I'm Michael Popak. You're on the Midas Touch Network. Take a minute, hit the subscribe button here and on Legal AF YouTube channel as well. In the immediate aftermath of Donald Trump trying to exploit and take advantage of yet another averted tragedy related to him with an attempted assassination just a floor above him at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, Donald Trump, of course, didn't waste any time trying to exploit it for his own political benefits, demanding a ballroom be built, which would have solved the assassination attempt, apparently.

5:13Popok:Go after the left wing and call them anti-Christian. And then he hit a roadblock. He went on, he decided to go on 60 Minutes, owned by CBS, owned by Donald Trump's friends, the Ellison family, which owns and controls Oracle. Skydance Paramount and bought 60 Minutes. 60 Minutes run by Barry Weiss, a right-wing influencer who took over the hallowed grounds of 60 Minutes and turned it into sort of a defanged journalistic institution. But Nora O'Donnell didn't get that memo. And she decided not just to question Donald Trump about the manifesto, but read aloud about it, particularly a section in which the would-be or alleged assassin talked about not wanting to follow as a president or not wanting to follow somebody who was a rapist and a pedophile.

6:16Popok:Watch Donald Trump's reaction. I mean, I know there's reporting about this already, but for me, the takeaway is watch Watch how flummoxed he is, especially when Nora O'Donnell, with a little bit of a Cheshire cat smile, she said, oh, I'm sorry. Did you think he was referring to you as a rapist and a pedophile? But what would be the basis for that, sir? That would have been the natural follow up. Play the clip and then we'll get to Katie Fang's new lawsuit. The so-called manifesto is a stunning thing to read, Mr. President. He appears to reference a motive in it. He writes this, quote, administration officials, they are targets.

6:54And he also wrote this. I'm no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes. What's your reaction to that? Well, I was waiting for you to read that because I knew you would because you're horrible people. Horrible people. Yeah, he did write that. I'm not a rapist. I didn't rape anybody.

7:15Popok:I'm not a pedophile. Do you think he was referring to you? Excuse me. I'm not a pedophile. You read that crap from some sick person. I got associated with stuff that has nothing to do with me. I was totally exonerated. Your friends on the other side of the plate are the ones that were involved with, let's say, Epstein or other things. But I said to myself, you know, I'll do this interview and they'll probably, I read the manifesto, you know, he's a sick person. But you should be ashamed of yourself reading that because I'm not any of those things. Mr. President, these are the gunman's words. Excuse me.

7:55You shouldn't be reading that on 60 Minutes. You're a disgrace. But go ahead. Let's finish the interview.

8:00Popok:See the face? Right. And that brings us now, as long as we're talking about rapists and pedophiles, that brings us to the Epstein Transparency Act and the failure of this government to this moment to abide by and comply with it. Of course, the doormat of the MAGA Congress isn't doing a thing about it. So now you're looking to see, well, who could bring a suit like this? Now, we had hoped, but it's hard, that one of the victims or survivors would be a plaintiff and come forward and sue over the violations of the Epstein Transparency Act. But let's be frank, they've been through enough. They've already showed a tremendous amount of dignity in the face of tremendous humiliation being led by the Trump administration, its attorneys general, FBI, and the like.

8:53Popok:What should be happening now is that a not-conflicted Department of Justice and FBI should be going through the three million pages of files and opening up criminal investigations to go after the 1 ,200 or more predators, whatever the number is, of these women and girls. Plain and simple. That's what Europe is doing. That's what other countries are doing around the world that aren't led by Donald Trump. And so they already, that's what the Department of Justice and FBI should be doing under the auspices of an independent special counsel that's not conflicted, doesn't have an ethical conflict, appointed by the attorney general.

9:38Popok:That's what should be happening. We should be talking about a special counsel, a team of people going through the files, Not a phony audit by the inspector general without interviews. Not a attorney general in Todd Blanche saying, well, there's nothing to see here. We've produced everything. Not a complete silence and hearing crickets about any criminal investigations. Even Melania Trump's dramatic call for congressional hearings and testimony by the witnesses and victims got it wrong, putting the onus on the victims to be victimized again and have to testify in open about what happened to them.

10:24Popok:They're not having any of the men who are being brought before the oversight committee testify in the open. Howard Lutnick, Commerce Secretary behind closed doors. You've got the former Attorney General, Pam Bondi. She's not even testifying at all. Oh, sure. Make the women have to come forward and do their own investigation of their own crimes that happened to them. That's required. If there was a murder, you'd have the murder victim or his family come forward and have to testify in Congress. No, you'd have the Department of Justice and FBI do their job. Look, magnesium, it's something most of us lack.

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13:16Popok:When it comes to having standing, because in order for a plaintiff to be the appropriate plaintiff to bring a case in a live case or controversy, they have to have an injury. They have to have standing. So in paragraph eight of the complaint And later on, Katie says that the failure to follow the law has harmed the plaintiff Katie Fang, a journalist, lawyer, and legal analyst who has extensively reported on Jeffrey Epstein and his network. Fang's inability to report with substance on all of the documents she should be able to access has hurt her ability to do her job and made it harder to fulfill her mission as a journalist and legal analyst.

14:01Popok:When you get to paragraph 28, she focuses on the inappropriate redactions. For instance, she says that the identities in a draft indictment of people who allegedly conspired with Epstein to persuade, induce, and entice individuals who had not yet attained the age of 18 to engage in prostitution. Who are those people? And why aren't they being prosecuted? The identity of the person who wrote to Epstein in 2014. Thank you for a fun night. Your littlest girl was a little naughty. The identity of the person who wrote to Epstein in 2017 that I met blank today. She is like Lolita from Nabokov, femme miniature.

14:43Popok:So now I should send you her type of candidates only? How about an Epstein in 2018 email? Who's the person that wrote, I found at least three very good young poor, but was so tired. Meet this one, not the beauty queen, but we both likes her a lot. Who's that? Who wrote that?

15:07Popok:And why were these names redacted? Why were photographs of images on Jeffrey Epstein's desk with Donald Trump redacted? Why were purported notes of interviews in paragraph 39 with victims and witnesses alleged that Trump had forced her to perform oral sex when she was in her early teens. She further alleged that Epstein introduced her to Trump. Who was that? Why was that not properly pursued? I like this approach by Katie Fang. Somebody had to come off the sideline and file, and her lawyers at Public Integrity Project have sued for a declaratory judgment, violation of the Administrative Procedures Act and Ultravares Act.

15:50Popok:Now, it'll be a tough road to hope for her to prove standing here, but I think she's on the right side of the angels with the case, and it was the right thing to do at the right time. Because the Trump administration believed by firing Pam Bondi and turning the page with Todd Blanche that they would not have to be held accountable for the Epstein Transparency Act. And you've got groups like Democracy Forward with Freedom of Information Act requests that are still pending before federal judges. Katie Fang's now new lawsuit and the rest. Donald Trump thought by now the media would be exhausted and the news cycle would move on from his cover-up of a child sex trafficking ring.

16:34Popok:But you can see by the Nora O'Donnell interview that that's not happening. It doesn't matter that the Oversight Committee, they're trying to get out of the business of issuing subpoenas for anything by creating roundtables instead of investigations to try to cut the legs out from one of the Democrats issuing subpoenas to try to stop people from being dragged in to have to testify about the Epstein scandal. That's not going to work because the people have already made their decision about whether Donald Trump is covering up the Epstein scandal and whether his Department of Justice and FBI are complicit in it.

17:08Popok:But we'll continue to follow this Katie Fang new lawsuit. I'm glad to see the media on the other side of the V, on the plaintiff's side. I think you'll be fascinated by my interview with her on Legal AF YouTube channel. So until my next report, this is Michael Popok. Can't get your fill of Legal AF? Me neither. That's why we formed the Legal AF Substack. Every time we mention something in a hot take, whether it's a court filing or a oral argument, Come over to the Substack. You'll find the court filing and the oral argument there, including a daily roundup that I do call. Wait for it. Morning AF.

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From the publisher

The media is usually on the other side of the “v,” being sued by Trump, or criminally investigated by or indicted by Trump’s DOJ. But now, for the first time in a groundbreaking suit, journalist and legal commentator and Meidas contributor Katie Phang has sued the Trump DOJ in federal court for its continued cover-up of the Epstein child sex scandal. Popok briefs the audience on the new suit and on Trump’s being exposed on a related subject by 60 Minutes, of all platforms, during an interview in the aftermath of the WHCD tragedy.

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