In short
A federal court hearing in the Eastern District of Virginia (Judge Nakmanoff) scrutinized whether the DOJ properly obtained and presented an indictment against former FBI Director James Comey, including alleged grand jury transcript issues, “two indictments,” and potential vindictive prosecution. The episode claims Lindsey Halligan (Trump-appointed prosecutor) effectively testified that the second indictment was created by cutting/pasting counts and using signatures from only a foreperson and one other juror after the grand jury had already gone home, making the indictment invalid. It also alleges DOJ officials (including Todd Blanche) instructed prosecutors not to turn over a secret memo recommending against charges.
Notable examples
missing grand jury transcript for the 4:30–6:30 window; social media post allegedly demanding indictment of political critics; Judge questioning Halligan’s independence (“puppet”).
Guests
The transcript names attorneys Michael Dreeben (Comey side) and Tyler Lemons (novice prosecutor/special prosecutor) plus Lindsey Halligan (DOJ side).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCourt Hearings and Prosecutorial Issues
2:58 to 4:24
Discussion on a federal judge's questioning of prosecutor conduct in the Comey case.
“And that novice prosecutor has to look the judge in the eye and say he's been instructed by Todd Blanche, the number two in the Department of Justice, not to turn it over.”
Indictment and Grand Jury Concerns
4:24 to 6:32
Examines the issues surrounding the second indictment and grand jury processes.
“Big hearing today in front of the actual district court judge, Judge Nakmanoff.”
Missing Transcripts and Indictment Validity
6:32 to 7:48
Details the implications of the missing grand jury transcripts on the indictment's validity.
“We knew this was a problem from day one.”
Prosecutorial Independence Questions
7:48 to 8:12
Explores the judge's concerns about the independence of the prosecutor in the case.
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Outcomes and Future Implications
8:12 to 13:54
Speculates on the outcome of the indictment and discusses possible consequences for the prosecutors.
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Legal Updates and Future Reports
14:01 to 14:22
Discussion on legal misconduct and ongoing updates from the Midas Touch Network.
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Legal Updates and Future Reports
16:01 to 16:30
Discussion on legal misconduct and ongoing updates from the Midas Touch Network.
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Transcript
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2:57Michael Popok:When a federal judge turns a prosecutor for Donald Trump into a witness for the defense in harsh questioning about whether an indictment was properly obtained or not, whether the grand jury even saw the indictment that was presented to a magistrate judge to represent the new charges against former FBI Director James Comey, that's a bad day in court. And when her colleague, another novice prosecutor, basically admits about the existence of a secret memo that the Department of Justice wants to keep from the defense, but that we all know about from reporting in which career prosecutors in the Eastern District of Virginia recommended against bringing a case against former FBI Director James Comey for perjury or anything else.
3:41Michael Popok:And that novice prosecutor has to look the judge in the eye and say he's been instructed by Todd Blanche, the number two in the Department of Justice, not to turn it over. That's a bad day in court. And that's the day that was had by the Department of Justice in front of Judge Nachmanoff in Eastern District of Virginia. And the hearing wasn't even about those two issues. But the judge turned it into it and turned it into an evidentiary hearing and effectively an indictment against the Trump Department of Justice. I'm Michael Popok. Traveling today on Report, I'm interviewing 11 attorneys general on the Democratic side, but took time out, of course, to give you the breaking news in the Comey case.
4:21Michael Popok:You're here on Midas Touch Network and on Legal AF. Take a moment and hit the free subscribe button. All right. Big hearing today in front of the actual district court judge, Judge Nakmanoff. We've been reporting in the last 48 hours about a case in front of the magistrate judge that reports to Judge Nakmanoff, Judge Fitzgerald. But this was about, at least on paper, it was supposed to be the day that the motion to dismiss for vindictive prosecution was heard by the federal judge. Instead, the federal judge, pardon me, guys. Instead, the federal judge used the opportunity to put Lindsey Halligan effectively on the stand.
4:58Michael Popok:Lindsay Halligan hasn't really been heard from in the courtroom. In fact, she's made no substantive comments at all. She's let the others do the talking for her. But the judge wasn't having it today. And the first thing he wanted to get to the bottom of is that missing grand jury transcript. What happened during that fateful two hours between 4.30 and 6.30 when the first indictment and the second indictment came into fruition? What's the origin story behind the second indictment? Why is there a second indictment? Who signed it? And did the grand jury actually approve of it? Because if they didn't, and the document that we now all think is the indictment is actually a figment of our imagination because it wasn't properly endorsed by a grand jury, then James Comey gets to go home, a free man, to have his indictment quashed and no new charges brought against him because the statute of limitations has already run on those perjury charges.
5:49Michael Popok:Yes, they had to get it done within a five-day window to get that indictment, and it had to be a proper indictment. Otherwise, there's no indictment at all. Michael Popak, let's talk about the hearing today in front of Judge Nakmanoff, present for the Comey side, Michael Dreeben, for the Halligan Department of Justice side, Lindsey Halligan, and Tyler Lemons. And no, he was not able to make lemonade out of lemons. You knew that was coming. So the judge started off with, let's get to the bottom of the missing transcript. Is there a transcript of how you obtained the second indictment? And Halligan had to admit she didn't obtain the second indictment by going back to the members of the grand jury because they'd already gone home.
6:31Michael Popok:There were only two left when she needed to fix her problem, a jury foreperson and another juror. That's a little short. You need 14 in order to indict. Now she had two indictments. We knew this was a problem from day one. The magistrate judge at the time about three weeks ago, four weeks ago, said, why are there two indictments that you both signed? She said, there aren't. And the magistrate judge said to Lindsay Halligan, there are. And she showed her the signatures. Now what appears to have happened is they took the first indictment, they cut and pasted, they removed the count related to the count that the jury, the grand jury did not return a true bill of indictment on.
7:11Michael Popok:And they had the jury foreperson and the grand jury foreperson and another grand juror sign on the dotted line. That's not how you return a true bill of indictment. In fact, Michael Dreeben, the lawyer for James Comey, jumped up and down and said, we have no indictment, Your Honor. And if there's no indictment, and it wasn't brought by the 5th of September, 2025 on a five-year statute of limitations, came over for the Department of justice. This is important. So Halligan had to admit that the affidavit that she filed to Judge Curry was technically true, except for one aspect that left her to be a liar once again.
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10:12Michael Popok:That's why there's no transcript because they were deliberating. Well, that's not true. As noted by the magistrate judge in the case for James Comey, magistrate judge Fitzgerald, he said that, I'm sorry, Fitzpatrick, that couldn't possibly be true. Because how did you learn the first indictment was not returned by the grand jury if you didn't have contact with the grand jury? And where is the transcript where you had contact with the grand jury? Where is the transcript about the second indictment? Well, now after grilling today, Lindsey Halligan, he got to the bottom of it. She just cut and pasted it, and she never pulled the grand jury back together again because they'd all gone home.
10:52Michael Popok:that renders the indictment, ladies and gentlemen, invalid. We call it void ab ab initio from the start, and it should be dismissed. The judge also questioned whether Lindsey Halligan was a puppet or not. And that led to a very uncomfortable exchange by one Tyler Lemons, also a novice prosecutor, who just got sworn in as a special prosecutor for the Department of Justice like the other day. And he said, no, she's not a puppet. She's completely independent. She didn't take a command from Donald Trump, a fiat, if you will, to indict James Comey and Letitia James. The judge, based on nothing. That was just naked argument of counsel.
11:31Michael Popok:She's not a puppet, because I say she's not a puppet. That's a problem when a federal judge questions your independence as a prosecutor and whether you are a puppet for your boss, Donald Trump. Now, we all know about the late September social media post where Donald Trump demanded the indictment of all of his political critics, Shifty Adam Schiff, the senator from California, Letitia James, the New York attorney general, and here of James Comey. And use Lindsey Halligan, he said, in this message to Pam Bondi. We also know from the Wall Street Journal that that message was supposed to be a private message, a direct message to Pam Bondi, although it got publicly posted.
12:12Michael Popok:So the judge wants to know, how is this not on vindictive prosecution How is this not Halligan, who was handpicked by Donald Trump in the social media post to be the prosecutor after Eric Seibert, the prior prosecutor, quit or was fired because he refused to bring the indictment? How is that not vindictive prosecution? How is she not just being a puppet? No good answer came from that. So Judge Nakamadoff ordered that by five o 'clock later on Wednesday, that there be a filing by the Department of Justice to explain why there's two indictments and how the second indictment came to being. And if the second indictment came to being the way it was laid out in the courtroom, why that indictment shouldn't be dismissed.
12:57Michael Popok:Big filing coming, folks. We'll follow it very closely on Legal AF YouTube and on Legal AF Substack for you to keep you up to breast or up to date and abreast of that particular matter. Judge said, I'm going to get to the bottom of this vindictive prosecution. My ruling will be coming not immediately, but certainly I think it'll come around Thanksgiving. And at the same time, we're waiting for whether Judge Curry, about whether Lindsey Halligan was illegally appointed or not whether she's going to dismiss Lindsay Halligan and disqualify her and take the indictment with it. So we have multiple judges looking at the indictment and the grand jury proceedings and deciding whether the indictment survives or not.
13:38Michael Popok:Let me cut to the chase. I think James Comey is on the right side of the angels here. I think his indictment will be dismissed because it's not a true bill of indictment returned by a grand jury at all. I think the statute of limitations is run so they can't try to re-indict him with a new grand jury. And I think game over. And then the judge should make a referral to the various bar associations for discipline of Lindsay Halligan and even of this Tyler Lemons for misleading the court, for a fraud on the court, for prosecutorial misconduct and abuse. That's what should happen. We'll continue to follow it all right here on the Midas Touch Network and on Legal AF.
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In breaking news, a federal judge questioned whether Trump’s hand picked prosecutor Lindsey Halligan is a “puppet,” cross examines her and gets her to admit that the full grand jury NEVER saw the Comey indictment that was presented to the Court, and forces another novice prosecutor to admit that there is a secret memo that helps the defense that his bosses in Washington (ie. Todd Blanche and Pam Bondi) don’t want the Judge or the defense to know about. Michael Popok reports on the many ways the Comey case may be dismissed by several judges in the next couple of weeks.
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