In short
A D.C. Circuit 2-1 decision blocks President Trump from immediately firing FTC Commissioner Rebecca Slaughter, relying on the 1935 Supreme Court precedent Humphrey’s Executor that allows removal of FTC commissioners only for “cause” (inefficiency, neglect of duty, or malfeasance). The judges criticize the government for asking lower courts to effectively overturn Supreme Court precedent.
Guest backgrounds
No guests are interviewed in the transcript. Host Michael Popak (Legal AF / Midas Touch Network) explains the case.
Key claims
The FTC is currently all-Republican because Trump fired Democrats Alvaro Bedoya and Rebecca Slaughter. The majority says Supreme Court precedent binds the circuit and that emergency docket “workarounds” in other cases don’t justify ignoring Humphrey’s Executor here.
Notable examples
References to Supreme Court emergency-docket actions involving the NLRB, Office of Special Counsel, and Merit Systems Protection Board; dissent by Trump appointee Judge J. R. Rayo arguing for a stay based on “harm” to the executive branch.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump's Legal Setbacks and the FTC
1:34 to 3:29
Discussion on Trump's recent legal challenges with the FTC and Humphrey's executor precedent.
“In breaking news, in just four days, Donald Trump is on an epic losing streak, now suffering his third loss, this time at the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C.”
The Implications of FTC Commissioner's Dismissal
3:29 to 8:12
Analysis of the implications of firing FTC commissioners and its legal ramifications.
“Let's get into the case of Rebecca Slaughter.”
Supreme Court's Role in FTC Removals
10:32 to 14:00
Exploration of the Supreme Court's past and potential future decisions regarding FTC commissioner removals.
“Even though they didn't reach the merits, they only did it on the emergency docket on a procedural basis.”
Supreme Court Predictions on Executive Power
14:00 to 16:50
Discussion about the implications of the Supreme Court's decision on executive powers and the Federal Trade Commission.
“continue exercising the executive power that a wrongfully removed officer faces from being unable to perform her statutory duty.”
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16:50 to 18:23
Introduction to the Legal AF Substack and its features for legal updates and resources.
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Transcript
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1:34Michael Popok:In breaking news, in just four days, Donald Trump is on an epic losing streak, now suffering his third loss, this time at the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Court. And a two-to-one decision has now blocked his efforts to fire the only remaining Democrat on the Federal Trade Commission, citing a 90-year-old precedent which the Supreme Court may be chipping away at, but has not removed entirely, called Humphreys executor. In fact, as noted by the two-to-one decision of Judge Millett and Judge Pillard against Judge Rayo, a Trump supporter, a Trump nominee, the actual case of Humphreys executor, which is the precedent going back 90 years that says a president cannot fire anyone from the Federal Trade Commission.
2:22Michael Popok:This is what the case says, from the Federal Trade Commission without cause, which has always been interpreted as inefficiency, neglect of duty, or malfeasance in office, all those things happening in office. The actual case of Humphreys' executor, Humphreys was a Federal Trade Commission commissioner. I can't think of a case that's on all fours more than this case. And what the two to one decision was, and they actually call out the United States Supreme Court, finally, I'm going to, I'm going to, they're just getting tired of getting reversed by the Supreme Court. And what the DC appellate panel here, two to one said to the Supreme Court is we're not going to do your job for you.
3:03Michael Popok:You want to overturn Humphrey's executor, then you overturn it. But we see it as the precedent binding in this circuit, certainly about a Federal Trade Commission commissioner and the president having illegally fired that person. And that's the precedent we're going to follow until you change it. Challenging the Supreme Court to quote unquote do its job. I'm Michael Popak. I'm doing my job. I'm here on the Midas Dutch Network and on Legal AF. Let's get into the case of Rebecca Slaughter. The Federal Trade Commission, as noted by the two to one panel, is a commission that was formed 100 years ago, more than 100 years ago.
3:43Michael Popok:It's led by a group of five commissioners. And by the way that the Congress established this independent agency, no more than three out of the five can be members of the same political party. They have to be nominated and confirmed by the Senate. Right now, there are no Democrats. Donald Trump fired the two Democrats. He fired Alivaro Bedoya and he fired Rebecca Slaughter. Slaughter's challenging that because Bedoya apparently went off and got a new job. But right now it's an all Republican-led Federal Trade Commission, which regulates in the area of trade and business regulation here in the United States.
4:28Michael Popok:It's a very important thing. It investigates whether people are committing fraud in the area of business transactions, if they're running Ponzi schemes, it's often shut down by the FTC. But now we have no Democrats on here. And here's what the judges, the two judges in the majority in their per curiam order, meaning we're not sure who wrote it, it's the opinion of both of them. Here's what they say on page two. President Trump fired the Federal Trade Commissioner Rebecca Slaughter without cause. The district court ordered her reinstated. That means the trial court level. The government now seeks a stay of that decision pending an appeal.
5:08Michael Popok:That motion must be denied. The government has no likelihood of success on appeal, given the controlling and directly on point Supreme Court precedent. Specifically, 90 years ago, a unanimous Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Federal Trade Commission acts for cause removal protection, meaning you can only remove a commissioner on the Federal Trade Commission under Humphrey's executor case law if they have committed inefficiency, which usually means theft of honest service. You're not doing your job. You're working two hours. You're getting paid for seven hours. Neglect of duty, similar, and malfeasance.
5:47You do something terribly wrong in office, all within office.
5:51Michael Popok:And in Humphrey's executor in 1935, Humphreys was a Federal Trade Commission commissioner. It's very rare that you get a case which is on all fours, including the facts. Over the ensuing decades, and fully informed by the substantial executive power exercised by the commission, the Supreme Court has repeatedly and expressly left Humphreys executors in place and precluded presidents from removing commissioners at will. They're addressing an argument raised by MAGA, raised by the unitary presidential model that the president has all the power in that particular branch, and Congress can't do anything to impede it.
6:34And the bigger the agency and the more executive function that the agency or the commission is recognized to possess, the more the president can fire without cause, The more it's seen as an infringement on presidential power by Congress, if it is depending upon how much executive power this, quote unquote, independent commission or agency exerts. And so here they're saying out loud, everybody knows in the last 90 years what the Federal Trade Commission does, what its powers are. And yet the Supreme Court has reaffirmed Humphrey's executor time and time again. Then, just four months ago, the ruling continues.
7:21The Supreme Court stated that adherence to precedent, like Humphrey's executor, controls in resolving stay motions. So now they're poking the bear of the Supreme Court. Let me translate that. This is Judge Millett and Judge Pillard saying, look, you just told us it's not up to the federal district court judges to make rulings to overturn precedent. We, only we at the Supreme Court can overturn precedent. You apply precedent. So like, okay, the only precedent we can apply is Humphrey's executor about a Federal Trade Commission commissioner, just like Rebecca Slaughter. So we are going to apply it.
7:58Now, here's the other little dig at the United States Supreme Court. They say, we're not going to stay the matter. We're going to reinstate her. We're going to keep her in her chair at the Federal Trade Commission. And she's already issued statements and saying, I'm back at work. and Donald Trump keeps issuing statements that says, no, she's fired. Now, here's where they poke on page three. The key substantive question presented by the government's appeal is whether the statute providing the commissioner's for-cause removal protection unconstitutionally infringes on a president's Article II power.
8:33The government is highly unlikely to succeed on appeal, meaning to the Supreme Court, or a substantive appeal on the matter because the exact question was already asked and unanimously answered by the Supreme Court adversely to the government's position 90 years ago. And then citing even in 2021 and 2020, the Supreme Court affirmed Humphrey's executor. Humphrey's executor controls this case and binds this court. And recent developments on the Supreme Court's emergency docket Do not permit this court to do the Supreme Court's job of reconsidering that precedent.
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11:15Even though they didn't reach the merits, they only did it on the emergency docket on a procedural basis. Here's the dig by these two judges, which is if you want to change it,
11:28Michael Popok:even though you've made some different changes about different people, National Labor Relations Board, Office of Special Counsel, Merit Assistance Protection Board on your emergency docket, then you reconsider precedent. We're not going to do your job for you. So they don't. So what does this mean? They go through the analysis. They affirm the stay at the Supreme, at the this court level that was issued by the lower lower court, the federal district judge. and now they're setting it up for an appeal to the Supreme Court. If they want to take away Humphrey's executor, they can take away Humphrey's executor as the leading precedent in the area.
12:08Michael Popok:But they need to do it. And now it's set up for that. Now, Judge Rayo, who is a Trump supporter, so far I've watched every one of her cases over the last two years. She's a Trump appointee. I've read every one of her decisions. I think except for once, she's always sided with the Trump position, always. So in her order, in her dissent, she effectively says, well, this is something that should go to the Supreme Court. And in the meantime, we should block the stay and allow her to be fired and let it go up to the United States Supreme Court. This is how they operate. Just let her be fired. We'll fix it later.
12:54Michael Popok:Here's what she said in her dissent on page one of her dissent. This case presents a now familiar set of facts. President Donald Trump fired a commissioner of a so-called independent agency. You see where this is going already. Without cause. The district court held that such removal was unlawful, ordered reinstatement, and entered a permanent injunction. While it is true that the removed officer here is a commissioner of the Federal Trade Commission, and the Supreme Court upheld the removal restrictions of the commissioners and Humphreys executor in 1935, a stay is nonetheless appropriate. So wait till you see how she gets there.
13:32Michael Popok:The commission unquestionably exercises significant executive power and the other equities favor the government. Because we are required to exercise our equitable discretion in accordance with the court's directive, the district court's order must be stayed. She basically relies on a ruling from the Wilcox case from this summer in May in 2025 by the Supreme Court, where in Wilcox they said that the government faces greater risk of harm from an order allowing a removed officer to continue exercising the executive power that a wrongfully removed officer faces from being unable to perform her statutory duty.
14:10Michael Popok:In other words, the harm to the executive branch and having an officer exercise his power, Trump's power, is more than the harm to the officer being removed. Now, this is now going to go up at the United States Supreme Court level. It's hard for me to actually, I'm going to try it here, but it's hard for me to actually predict what's going to happen. for the, they would have to make the ruling that the Federal Trade Commission has gotten so big for its britches, has outgrown Humphrey's executor, has taken on responsibilities and roles that impinge on the executive branch in ways that it didn't in 1935 in order for it to overturn Humphrey's executor.
14:53Michael Popok:It could do that. I just don't see there's been a major change in how the Federal Trade Commission operates. And they've known about the Federal Trade Commission and whatever its growing powers have been. And they haven't reached out and tried to overturn Humphrey's executor in the last 35 years. Sorry, in the last 90 years. Certainly not in the last 20 years. So I think the argument here is that they should keep Humphrey's executor in place and that treat the Federal Trade Commission the way they treat the Federal Reserve, which is to put a ring fence around it to protect it and to make sure that people don't get fired from those positions unless there is proper cause, which again is inefficiency, neglect of duty and malfeasance in office.
15:38Michael Popok:I mean, one of the big debates that's going to go up to the Supreme Court this term is going to be about Lisa Cook, who's on the Federal Reserve, which they also said has to be a four-cause firing. Now, Donald Trump says, whatever I say it is, is the four-cause firing. And she committed mortgage fraud. I'm not sure mortgage fraud rises to the level of inefficiency, neglect of duty and malfeasance in office. She didn't commit that alleged fraud in office. And that's not the four cause termination grounds. But that's for the Supreme Court to decide about that Federal Reserve. Federal Trade Commission, we now have an all-Republican Federal Trade Commission in violation of the statute creating it by Congress.
16:17Michael Popok:I mean, Supreme Court is just letting Congress create executive branches, executive agencies, put limits on Trump's ability or president's ability to take away their independence, allow them to take away their independence and say, yeah, it's still good. Well, it wasn't the basis for what the Congress did to create the agency. So why should we allow the Supreme Court to alter the terms of the creation of that agency or commission? It is outrageous. But we'll continue to follow it. You're here on the Midas Touch Network. Take a minute, hit the free subscribe button, slide over to Legal AF, the YouTube channel, do the exact same thing.
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Trump has suffered his 3 major court losses in the last 4 days, this time in a 2-1 ruling of the DC Federal Court of Appeals. Trump’s firing of the lone democrat on the Federal Trade Commission without proper “cause” has been blocked. But Michael Popok also reports that a frustrated appellate panel in its ruling has also admonished their bosses at the Supreme Court to “do their job” and decide to keep or overturn 90-year-old precedent about who can and cannot be fired by the President!
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