In short
A Rhode Island federal judge (Judge McConnell) issues a second temporary restraining order blocking the Trump administration from delaying SNAP/anti-hunger payments to about 42 million people; the episode argues the administration is “playing political football” and seeking to evade compliance via appeal and a stay request.
Guest backgrounds
No guests appear in the transcript. The host, Michael Popock, says he will interview Democracy Forward’s Sky Perryman tomorrow on Legal AF YouTube; he also quotes Letitia James (NY attorney general).
Key claims
Trump/Trump-Vance sought only partial SNAP payments ($4.65B of $8B) and delayed full delivery; the judge found the reasons arbitrary/capricious and ordered compliance. The administration filed an appeal for a stay and may pursue the “shadow docket”/Supreme Court. Similar AG action is pending in Massachusetts before Judge Talwani.
Notable examples
Judge McConnell cites Trump social media statements about waiting for “clear direction” and later refusing to pay; quotes Sky Perryman calling it a “major victory” and Letitia James calling it “outrageous” that a lawsuit was needed.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOJudicial Actions Against Trump
0:00 to 0:30
Explore the recent court orders against Trump's handling of SNAP payments.
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Judicial Actions Against Trump
0:50 to 2:13
Explore the recent court orders against Trump's handling of SNAP payments.
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Judicial Actions Against Trump
2:16 to 3:24
Explore the recent court orders against Trump's handling of SNAP payments.
“the below the poverty line, disabled and elderly and children and babies and veterans.”
Political Implications of SNAP Decisions
3:24 to 6:05
Analyze the political ramifications of delays in SNAP payments announced by Trump.
“I mean, he's pictured this for Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving time, and Christmas time.”
Potential Legal Consequences for Trump
6:05 to 8:07
Discuss the potential legal ramifications Trump faces due to court rulings.
“why they can only make$4.65 billion, and why they're going to do it over weeks and months and not within days.”
Responses from Letitia James
8:07 to 11:51
Learn about Letitia James's response to the federal government regarding SNAP.
“And think of this on election day, a huge wipeout for the Republican administration and a renouncement of Trumpism and Trumponomics and Donald Trump himself.”
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11:51 to 12:42
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“There's one more case to keep an eye on.”
Transcript
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2:15Michael Popok:We got double breaking news and a fast-moving story coming out of Rhode Island that affects 42 million Americans. Judge McConnell has issued his second temporary restraining order just this afternoon after finding that Donald Trump and the Trump administration have been playing political football with the lives of the poor, that he's been playing political football and holding hostage people who are hungry in America and who are waiting on their November SNAP payments and anti-hunger program that is directed at the most fragile in our population. the below the poverty line, disabled and elderly and children and babies and veterans.
2:55Michael Popok:And what does Donald Trump do after the judge announces for the second time in five days that they must make$8 billion worth of full payments by this Friday? Does he relent? Does he say his crush of the soul and of the humanity of Americans must stop even though there's a shut down? No. He immediately filed a notice of appeal. He's seeking a stay, ultimately, of Judge McConnell's order. Donald Trump has flip-flopped so many times, including trolling the poor on Election Day. And how did that turn out for him? I mean, he's pictured this for Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving time, and Christmas time. He's like Ebenezer Scrooge stealing the turkey out of tiny Tim's little hands, denying 42 million people that which they count on, not for a boondoggle, not to build a golden ballroom or marble Lincoln bathroom or to hold a great Gatsby party or to sell his cryptocurrency, but to live, to survive basic dignity.
4:02Michael Popok:Judge McConnell said it's obvious you're playing political football because he pointed to a couple of statements made by Donald Trump on social media. First, he said, all I'm doing is I'm waiting for a judge to give us clear direction. And then I'll happily, gladly, proudly make the payments. And the judge says good in his order on Friday. He said, good. I'm glad the president is acknowledging that he's got to make those payments. And then we fast forward to Monday, when the judge ordered this week that the Trump administration make payments, at least partial payments and or show why they can't make full$8 billion worth of payments or make the full payments by Wednesday.
4:39Michael Popok:And they ran into court on Monday with a filing that said, we'd love to make payments, but we're only going to make$4.65 billion of the$8 billion that's owed. So 56 % of the amount people count on. So when they show up at the supermarket, 44 % short, I guess they think the owner of the grocery store or the supermarket or the convenience store or the bodega is going to let them walk out the door, 56 cents on the dollar. And they said, we can't make full payment because even though there are other funds for other child nutrition programs, we can't give it to you from there. They don't explain why.
5:12Michael Popok:We could use Section 32 funds from customs receipts that come in once a year. We have the money, but we don't have the money. We don't have the account, but we do have the account. And we're only going to make$4.65 billion. And we're not going to do it on Monday. We're going to do it over the next weeks or months. That led Democracy Forward, who I'm interviewing tomorrow on Legal AF YouTube channel. By the way, I'm Michael Popock. Hit the free subscribe button here on Midas Touch and on Legal AF YouTube. Democracy Forward's Sky Perryman runs back into court with her group of lawyers and says, they are already in violation of your order, judge.
5:50Michael Popok:And the judge agreed and said, I'm going to hold a hearing. And that hearing was today at 3.30 in the afternoon with full briefing. because they said they violated, the Trump administration violated your order because they don't give a proper reason. It's arbitrary and capricious why they can't top up the payments to$8 billion, why they can only make$4.65 billion, and why they're going to do it over weeks and months and not within days. Judge agreed. And today the judge says you're playing political, you're holding things political hostage. You're playing political football with people's lives Because now Donald Trump, just two days before the hearing on election night, said, I'm not going to make the payments.
6:29Michael Popok:I'd love to make the payments, but I'm not going to make the payments at all. I'm going to be defiant because the Democrats won't open the government. here's what sky perryman had to say and again she's going to be on uh with me on an interview tomorrow about the case today is a major victory this is on the victory part today is a major victory for 42 million people in america the court could not be more clear the trump vance administration must stop playing politics with people's lives by delaying snap payments that are that they're obligated to issue it is this immoral and unlawful decision by the administration has shamefully delayed snap payments, taking food off the table of hungry Americans.
7:12Michael Popok:We shouldn't have to force the president to care for his citizens. And then if Donald Trump thought that his made up cockamamie, illegitimate, bad faith prosecution of Letitia James, the New York attorney general, was going to chill her First Amendment expression, chill her, take her out of the running from going after the Trump administration and holding them liable. She's part of 22 other attorneys general that brought a companion case in Massachusetts on the same issue. And she's now heard from. She already had her arraignment. Yeah, she already said she's not guilty. She's already filing motions to dismiss her indictment.
7:54Michael Popok:And here's what she had to say. This is now Letitia James. A judge in Rhode Island just stopped the federal government from starving millions of Americans. I'm relieved that people will get the food they need, but it is outrageous that it took a lawsuit to make the federal government feed its own poor, its own people. And think of this on election day, a huge wipeout for the Republican administration and a renouncement of Trumpism and Trumponomics and Donald Trump himself. He actually trolled the poor that day and said he's not going to make SNAP payments. He's not going to pay them in order to have food on their table.
8:35Michael Popok:on election day. Think of that split screen that's now showing up not only in the polling, but in the polls, not only in the polls, but at the polls. Donald Trump partying it up like it's 1999 with a great Gatsby party at Mar-a-Lago during the shutdown, building a golden ballroom with$300 million of corrupted money during the shutdown, remodeling the Lincoln, the Lincoln bathroom of all things. Our poorest president now has a marble and gold-fixtured bathroom in his name and his honor. While America burns, Nero fiddles. While America goes hungry, Donald Trump tells them to eat cake. And he doesn't think this is now showing up in the electorate, that he wasn't paying close attention to Tuesday night and the renouncement by the independents the Hispanic voters, the women voters, and all those counties that went from red to blue, and the governor mansions that went from red to blue, and the delegates in Mississippi that went from red to blue, and the delegates in Pennsylvania that went from red to blue, and the Supreme Court justices in Pennsylvania red to blue, and the new map, adding five more seats in California, led by his arch enemy, arch rival, Gavin Newsom.
10:00Michael Popok:And all he has to think about is how to screw the poor and screw the hungry. So McConnell's order, I'm sure they're going to ask him for a stay overnight and he's going to reject it. I'm sure they're going to run to the First Circuit Court of Appeals where they've already taken their appeal. They're not even abiding on it now. Scott Bessent, who said on television that they were going to make the payments It says the Treasury Secretary now ran to court with a notice of appeal and says we're not going to make it. The First Circuit is not going to grant that appeal. I'd be, I mean, that stay. I'd be shocked that they're going to have to run to the United States Supreme Court.
10:39Michael Popok:Let's talk about that for a minute. There is a body of law on emergency applications on the shadow docket that are not great related to funding. And the Trump administration knows it. And they're trying to get to the Supreme Court as quickly as possible. Just as bad as the Supreme Court was for the Trump administration in the last day at oral argument about tariffs, just sorry, just as just as bad as they were in oral argument about tariffs. They have issued a number of orders that have allowed Donald Trump to cut funding to programs. That's not quite what's happening here, but it is a bad body of law.
11:17Michael Popok:and you could just see the Kavanaugh's and the Gorsuch's and the Alito's and the Thomas's and the Roberts with full bellies and Amy Coney Barrett never missing a meal looking at you, Clarence Thomas looking at you, the rest of you sitting on your brains I bet you've never missed a meal intentionally and making rulings about poor, hungry Americans many of whom vote and we're going to continue to follow what happens on that appellate track as it makes its way through. McConnell's done his job. There's one more case to keep an eye on. 22 attorneys general led by Letitia James and Rob Bonta ran to court in Massachusetts also and are in front of Judge Talwani.
12:06Michael Popok:We're waiting for her to issue her injunction. Now, I think she tried to avoid the funding issue when she issued her order that didn't require funding, but agency action to happen on Monday. But I don't think the, right now, the attorneys general are sort of waiting to see how to counterpunch and how to move, stick and move off of what's happened in Rhode Island to try to get the benefit of Rhode Island, but also bring in a different angle of attack. We'll follow that as well on Midas Touch Network and on Legal AF. So until my next report, I'm Michael Popak. Can't get your fill of Legal AF? me neither.
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The Trump Admin. has doubled down on tormenting the hungry and poor in America and holding them as political hostages, immediately appealing a new emergency ruling issued this afternoon by Federal Chief Judge McConnell in Rhode Island to force Trump to pay 42 million hungry Americans their November SNAP payments to live. Michael Popok reports on the efforts by Democratic Attorneys General —including NYAG Tish James—and Democracy Forward to force Trump to care about Americans in emergency court filings.
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