Trump WH Panics as Trump Accidentally Screws Them

17 Sep 2025 · 17 min · 6 chapters

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In short

Michael Popok argues that Trump administration officials are falsely claiming Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook committed mortgage fraud, while other officials (especially Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent) allegedly have similar mortgage documentation. He frames it as political “panicking” and a lack of due process after a D.C. Circuit judge (Judge Katsas) upheld Cook’s seat.

Guest backgrounds

No guests are interviewed; the host is Michael Popok (Midas Touch Network, Legal AF). Mentions include Scott Bessent (former hedge fund operator; Treasury Secretary), Lisa Cook (Fed Governor), and Bill Pulte (Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac-related role; whistleblower via social media).

Key claims

Cook’s “vacation home” mortgage/primary-residence checkbox issue is not fraud; lenders/underwriting commonly check boxes to obtain lower rates. Popok claims Bessent also checked primary-residence boxes on two $21M loans (2007) and that lawyers (Alex Spiro) defend him.

Notable examples

Bloomberg-reported 2007 Bessent loans; Cook’s alleged vacation-home handling across Michigan/Atlanta/Massachusetts; a 2023 Federal Reserve Philadelphia report on common underwriting practices; Popok cites Cook’s tax treatment and two courts’ rulings.

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Mortgage Fraud Allegations Against Trump Cabinet

0:30 to 0:57

Discussion on the mortgage fraud claims involving Trump administration officials.

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Mortgage Fraud Allegations Against Trump Cabinet

1:36 to 3:16

Discussion on the mortgage fraud claims involving Trump administration officials.

“They try to take out more than one loan, multiple loans, check in the box that it would be their primary residence, perhaps to get a lower interest rate.”

Scott Bessent's Controversial Statements

3:16 to 12:34

An analysis of Scott Bessent's statements and the implications for Lisa Cook.

“So, you know, when you live in a glass house, maybe you shouldn't throw stones or mortgage fraud around.”

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1:59They check the same boxes. They try to take out more than one loan, multiple loans, check in the box that it would be their primary residence, perhaps to get a lower interest rate. Who knows the background? But they were very quick, including Scott Bessent, the Treasury Secretary, to point the finger at Lisa Cook and try to frame her. And now we have the fourth cabinet member in Donald Trump's administration, the labor secretary, the transportation secretary, the EPA administrator, and now the treasury secretary, who, based on public documents available to everyone, seems to have the same problem or no problem at all.

2:35If you subscribe to my theory, which is this was never mortgage fraud to begin with. But now they've gone so far as to convince at least one judge, Judge Katsas on the appellate court for the D.C. Circuit to claim not that it was an alleged allegation of fraud, an apparent mortgage fraud by Lisa Cook. Well, then if that's the case, it's an apparent mortgage fraud by Scott Bissett, the Treasury Secretary, the Labor Secretary, the Transportation Secretary, who's married to a Fox anchor and the EPA administrator. Oh, What a tangled web we weave. I'm Michael Popak, untangling the webs here on the Midas Touch Network and on Legal AF.

3:16So, you know, when you live in a glass house, maybe you shouldn't throw stones or mortgage fraud around. Scott Bessette was very public, went on Fox News recently and said, if she's committed this kind of mortgage fraud, Lisa Cook has no place on the Federal Reserve. Very vocal all of a sudden for a guy who was a former hedge fund operator and worked for George Soros, very public recently, about lots of things. Scott Bessent is losing it. Let me just put it. Before I get to his mortgage fraud allegations and those against him, he's losing it. How many stories do I have to begin with? Scott Bessent got into a fistfight today with fill in the blank.

3:56It was Elon Musk at one point, and then apparently it was somebody else recently. So when he's not putting his dukes up, apparently, literally at meetings and pushing and shoving, he is you know trying to argue out of both sides of his mouth we should leave the fed federal reserve alone and keep it independent and as a central bank away from the president's grips and then on the other hand we should totally overhaul the federal reserve and we should get it out of certain things that it's doing and and why is monetary policy only in the hands of the federal reserve i don't know because that's what we've done since the nation's founding and it seems to be working pretty well until your president got in.

4:33Now let's turn to Scott Bessent. Here's his statement going after Lisa Cook, apparently forgetting that in 2007, he took out two loans for$21 million. He's a man of the people. $21 million worth of mortgages on two pieces of property. Another one in Massachusetts. What's with Massachusetts? Shout out to Massachusetts. Everybody seems to have a second home up in Massachusetts. But let's let's play the clip first before he knew I'd be able to do this hot take. You know, there are two kinds of people. There are people who think that President Trump is putting undue pressure on the Fed. And there are people like President Trump and myself who think that if a Fed official committed mortgage fraud, that this should this should be examined and that they shouldn't be serving as one of the nation's leading financial regulators.

5:28And what we haven't heard from Ms. Cook is we haven't heard her say, I didn't do it. We haven't heard her say, I didn't do it. She just keeps saying the president can't remove her. All right. OK, let's hope there's nothing in your background or past that is exactly the same thing. And it turns out there is. So Bloomberg has reported that and they've gotten the documents. I'll put it up on the screen here that in 2007, through a lender, through Bank of America, he took out two loans for$21 million and someone on his behalf, his lawyer, checked the box that they both be primary residences. Now, do I think that was fraud?

6:07No. Do I think that was a bank underwriting department working with its loan originator, its bank officer to get these loans approved for a guy who has hundreds of millions of dollars of assets, even back in 2007? Yes. Did he really need to check both the boxes to get to break in the interest rate? No. So I don't think he so I'm going to defend Scott percent. I'm going to defend him and say he did the exact same thing as Lisa Cook or somebody on his behalf. And he's not guilty of mortgage fraud and neither is she. But that is the difference is that's being used fraudulently as the for cause reason to take her off her 14 year seat on the Federal Reserve Board of Governors.

6:47And you've already, the Trump administration, through your fraud, convinced one judge, Judge Katsas, who just ruled in the dissent in the two-to-one decision keeping her in her job. That's why she's considering interest rates and making her decision about interest rates this week. Convinced one judge there that what she's being accused of is apparent fraud. He didn't even say alleged. He already convicted her. You see how dangerous lies can be and then you've got to fix them? So, when you look at those documents for Scott Bessent, you see he checked the box. Now he's got all sorts of lawyers coming to his defense.

7:25He hired a high-powered lawyer who I know from my past, Alex Spiro. He hired Alex Spiro, who's handled a lot of cases like this, a lot of fraud cases like this, a lot of celebrity cases to defend him. Nothing says I'm not guilty like hiring Alex Spiro.

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9:09Well, what are you claiming? That you signed a document your client didn't know about? You didn't have authority to sign the document? I think that's worse. Now, Bill Pulte, who's the original Karen in this story, if you know what I mean, who blew the whistle on Lisa Cook with a series of mean social media tweets. Why is he in his job, by the way? The mortgage market is in disarray. The housing market is in disarray. We just got new numbers that the housing market is at its lowest in terms of new starts, new construction in like the last 10, 12 years. Interest rates are already dropping without the Federal Reserve cutting its interest rates.

9:51And he's still holding on to his job at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to create mortgage liquidity. He's not a mortgage regulator. He's not the inspector general about fraud in mortgages. He's just a guy who's a Nepo baby who bought his way into his position in the Trump administration by donating his parents' money, Pulte Construction, to get this job. And then from that perch, he believes he's allowed to go after and attack people with half statements and misstatements and omissions and pulling things out of context. And then when he got caught again, and it turns out she's got the goods and got the receipts from her own bank, from her own credit union, that acknowledged that she knew, that they knew it was a vacation home because she's got a home in Michigan and she's got a home in Atlanta and she's got a home in Massachusetts.

10:47I'm sure not as nice as Scott Pascents. And turns out that she properly told her lender, her credit union, that it was going to be the Atlanta home was a vacation home. And consistent with that, she didn't take the property tax break that she's entitled to as owning a primary residence. She didn't take it in Georgia, in Fulton County, in Atlanta. She took it in Michigan. So she's not guilty of any fraud. And the Federal Reserve Philadelphia branch came out with a report in 2023 that demonstrates that this is very common. This mortgage lender, loan officer, underwriting game where they say, we want to give her the lower rate.

11:28So we know she only has one primary residence. So just check the box for both. We'll get it through underwriting. That's on the bank side. That's not on the borrower side. They're not participating in mortgage fraud on their own bank. So that's what's happened here. And she's got the proof and she's got the receipts. But Bill Pulte doubles down on it. Oh, this is another indicia of fraud. She's a sophisticated financial operator. What do you even talk? Do you even know what comes out of your own mouth? Do you hear yourself, as my late mother would say? Do you hear yourself what's coming out? It doesn't even pass the straight face test.

12:06You got caught. It's wrong. Apologize. Say that you were wrong. Say that she didn't get due process, as two courts have already said. Say that she didn't commit mortgage fraud any more than four out of 15 of the cabinet of Donald Trump, including the Treasury Secretary, committed. Just admit you were wrong. That's okay, too. That's actually a sign of strength, not weakness. A sign of weakness and a sign of corruption is that you continue to drill down and triple down on a false statement to try to defame an innocent person like the first black woman member of the Federal Reserve. I get it. Donald Trump wants to get rid of all the black people.

12:52I understand. We've seen it. If you're a black colonel or black general or black admiral, you're gone from the military. You're lopped off of your positions. If you're the first black member of the National Labor Relations Board to chair it, you're gone. If you're the first black woman on the Federal Reserve, you're gone. And who are you going to be replaced by? Another white guy. I understand. Just say it out loud. And we'll all get along a lot better, I think. I'm glad we're here together on Midas Dutch and Legal AF. We just hit the one-year anniversary today on Legal AF, the YouTube channel.

13:30810 ,000 subscribers, 265 million views all because of you. We're doing the work, but you're watching and you're fervently becoming such a strong part of our community. And I wanted to thank you for it here. Until my next report, I'm Michael Popok.

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Add Trump Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent to a growing list of Trump Cabinet members who have the exact same multiple mortgage issue that they claim is fraud when trying to frame Fed Reserve Board of Governor Lisa Cook! Michael Popok looks closely at the new revelations that Bessent took out $21 million in mortgages and checked the same boxes Lisa Cook did, while he has called for her to step down, calling her actions “fraud.”

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