135 | Will the global workforce survive in an era of AI agents with computer access? Advanced new image and video generation capabilities and many more news from the week ending on October 25th

26 Oct 2024 · 54 min

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Leveraging AI Podcast Episode 135 Summary

Overview In this episode of the *Leveraging AI* podcast, hosted by Isar Meitis, the discussion revolves around the significant impact of AI agents on the global workforce, particularly exploring new capabilities in AI tools such as those from Claude and Crew AI. The episode highlights advancements in AI technology and their implications for business processes, workforce dynamics, and ethical considerations in leveraging AI.

Key Topics Discussed

  1. Evolution of AI Agents
  2. AI agents are moving beyond simple chatbots to more sophisticated systems capable of:
  3. Autonomous code generation.
  4. Real-time business process automation.
  5. Managing workflow and tasks across different applications.
  6. The emergence of AI tools capable of performing tasks traditionally handled by workers raises concerns about job displacement.
  1. Claude's Latest Developments
  2. Claude 3.5 Release:
  3. Introduction of Sonnet 3.5 and Haiku 3.5 models with improved performance in reasoning, coding tasks, and visual analysis.
  4. Computer Use Feature:
  5. New capability allowing AI to interact with a user's computer directly, enabling it to execute tasks such as data entry, trip planning, and code execution autonomously.
  6. Raises questions about trust and safety given the extensive access to sensitive information that these tools can possess.
  1. Market Dynamics and Workforce Disruption
  2. Discussion on the potential for AI to disrupt traditional job roles, particularly in administrative sectors.
  3. The risk of companies losing competitiveness if they fail to adopt AI tools, leading to potential mass unemployment.
  4. Statistics indicating a large percentage of the workforce could see significant task disruption due to AI advancements:
  5. 30% of U.S. workers could see at least 50% of their job tasks disrupted.
  6. 85% of workers could see at least 10% of their tasks impacted.
  1. Investment and Adoption Trends
  2. Crew AI:
  3. Recently secured $18 million in funding and is already being utilized by nearly half of Fortune 500 companies.
  4. Represents the growing trend of AI agents being integrated into business processes.
  5. Celonis and Agent C:
  6. New tools combining AI agents with process intelligence to automate and analyze business processes.
  1. Concerns and Ethical Considerations
  2. The need for "guardrails" to ensure the safe and responsible use of AI technology.
  3. The potential risks posed by allowing AI systems unrestricted access to sensitive data and operational controls in businesses.
  4. Drawing parallels with Isaac Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics to emphasize the necessity of ethical standards in AI development.
  1. Future of AI Integration
  2. AI's ability to replace numerous roles in front of a computer is becoming a reality.
  3. A call for proactive measures from governments and corporations to address the impending changes in the workforce and economy due to AI.

Key Takeaways

  • AI agents are poised to transform the workforce dramatically, creating both opportunities and significant challenges.
  • Businesses must adapt quickly to remain competitive, which may lead to a rapid displacement of jobs.
  • As AI capabilities expand, it is critical to establish ethical guidelines and safety measures to protect individuals and society from potential harm.
  • The integration of AI tools into business processes is not only a competitive advantage but may become essential for survival in the market.

Conclusion The episode underscores the importance of understanding the rapid advancements in AI technology and their implications for business practices and the global workforce. Listeners are encouraged to consider the ethical dimensions and potential disruptions as they explore the integration of AI into their organizations.

For more insights and updates on leveraging AI responsibly in business, listeners are invited to tune in to future episodes.

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0:00Hello and welcome to a weekend news episode of the Leveraging AI podcast. the podcast that shares practical, ethical ways to leverage AI, to improve efficiency, grow your business, and advance your career. This is Isar Maitis, your host, and I've got a lot of exciting news this week. We're going to talk a lot about agents and the potential impact of AI future on the workforce and our jobs. We're going to talk a lot about new models that are coming out. Some of them are very exciting, including new capabilities from Claude. And we're going to talk a lot about image generation and video generation and where that is going and new releases in that world as well.

0:39So like I said, a lot to talk about. Let's get started.

0:48We will start today by talking about Claude and their latest releases. Claude has been on fire recently, releasing more and more capabilities. and the first thing that we're going to end this week, they have released three different things. All are exciting. One of them is very exciting and very controversial and disturbing all at the same time. But the first thing, they've launched a new version of Sonnet 3.5. Just to recap, earlier this year, Anthropic released Claude 3, and it had three different models. The smallest one was called Haiku. That was kind of like the faster, more specialized model.

1:25Then the middle one was Sonnet, and the biggest one was Opus. And then shortly after that, they released Sonnet 3.5, which was as good as Opus, but cheaper and faster with some additional capabilities. And they haven't released any other 3.5 models until now. So now they released an upgrade version of Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and they also released Haiku 3.5, so the smaller, faster model. Before we talk about the last thing they released, let's talk a little bit, what does that give us. So there's claiming that the new version of Sonnet 3.5 outperforms GPT-40 and Google Gemini 1.5 Pro in graduate level reasoning, in coding tasks, and in visual analysis.

2:09The interesting thing about coding tasks is they were ahead in coding tasks before, and now per them, they have extended their lead in coding capabilities. The other interesting thing is Haiku, the smaller, faster model that is three times faster than the smaller models from the other companies, also outperforms GPT-40 Mini and Gemini 1.5 Flash, and it also maintains the performance encoding of Sonnet 3.5. So it's a very capable model that runs faster and specialized encoding tasks. But the most interesting thing that they've released is a feature or actually a separate capability that they're calling computer use.

2:54And what computer use allows you to do, as the name hints, is to use your computer. So you can install it locally on your computer. And the way it works, it actually looks at your screen, takes screenshots of what's happening, can understand what software you're working on, and can operate your computer. So basically, it has access to the cursor. So placing, quote unquote, the mouse, anything it wants, and typing anything, which basically means it can do anything you can do on your computer. It can browse the web, it can open and close apps, it can copy things from one place to the other, and so on and so forth.

3:29Basically giving it access to, as I mentioned, any digital thing that we as humans have access to. If you think about the evolution that we've been talking about of agents, and we talked about the fact that one of the things agents will need is access to tools. This provides access to any tool that we have access to because it has access to our computer. Anthropic themselves has released several different examples of use cases. The first one was collecting information from multiple sources to put it into a form. So think about any data entry tasks that exist in a company. You collect the information from an email, from a PDF that you're getting, from other sources, from your CRM, from multiple sources, and then you need to fill up a form to build an order or anything like that.

4:17That was the first thing that Anthropic demoed, where it goes to look for information in one source. It doesn't find it in that source. It opens the CRM on its own, finds the relevant company, finds the relevant information, and copies it into the form accurately. If I'm a company like UiPath, which is the largest company in the world for RPA today, which is a company that is the second largest IPO in European history, huge company, billions of dollars in revenue, huge amount of employees worldwide that has developed the capability to do well, something like that. I would be really scared right now, because if this is coming as part of a model that costs 20 bucks a month, then they have a serious issue to their entire business model.

5:03But this is where it is going. And that has been demoed. It's not perfect yet. It's not running smoothly. It has issues, but these kinks will be solved once they get out of beta, which is what it is right now. The second example that they gave, which is really cool, is planning a trip. So this girl is going to San Francisco. She wants to do the hike across Goldingwood Bridge. And she's basically asking it to help her build this out. And it's looking for the route. And where is her reservation? Where is our hotel? Based on the reservation she has in her email and what time of day it would be. And then eventually it creates a meeting on her calendar with all the details of exactly what buses she needs to take, where she needs to go, and so on, the full plan of that trip.

5:44So that's another great example for day-to-day needs. And then the last one was software-related, which really blew my mind because it has, first of all, some complete surreal setup. So think about it. This tool runs on the computer. So it's supposed to write code and then run it on a server. So the first thing it does, it opens the internet and opens Claude, the website. So Claude, the tool on the desktop, opens Claude, the website to create the code for it. Then it copies the code into a computer application where it can paste the code and edit the code. Then it runs to the terminal and creates a server for it so it can execute the code and so on.

6:28So literally the life cycle of this really small piece of software, the whole thing runs autonomously without anybody touching it, starting with an idea spoken in simple English and ending up with a running application that can run on your computer and do specific things. I talked about this many times in the past on this podcast that I see the future of SaaS as very murky, especially smaller applications. So I don't see an operating system being replaced that quickly. I don't see Salesforce being replaced that quickly. We know we've heard Klarna is doing exactly that, but they're doing it with a huge, large investment and a lot of developers.

7:06But smaller SaaS that does specific tasks that we today pay a lot of money for because it does 150 things out of which we use four is going to go away because literally any person, any company, any department will be able to ask for the specific functionality the it needs or he or she needs. And the AI will write that application more or less on the fly, doing everything you need to do. And over time, you will ask for updates and changes based on the way you work, and it will create the code and execute the code and deploy the code for you. So this example that I've just seen from Anthropic just confirms my assumption that this is the direction that we're going, and it's going to become more and more common, and we're going to see more and more people doing this.

7:49I started doing this, and I told do that in previous shows as well. I've never written code in my life, but I started doing this with ChatGPT and with Gemini and with Claude and deploying it through different tools and it explaining me how to use it. Now, it doesn't even need to explain to me anymore. It will do all the deployment and all the setup for me because it can run my computer. Now think about what that means for the future of business. It means that anything a human can do in front of a screen and keyboard, this machine can do. So AI is now going from, okay, I've got this chatbot or this image generation capabilities and so on to this can do anything that we can do in the digital world.

8:30Like, as I mentioned, right now it's not there yet. And there are several different issues, right? So the biggest issue is obviously trust. How do you know that this thing is actually going to execute the task in the way you want it to execute it? And it's not going to do anything that you either don't expect that could either harm your family, harm you, harm your company, be dangerous, or it will decide that you are a threat to the computer and will decide to change your password and lock you out. The same thing can happen on a company level where it takes over your entire IT system. So there's a lot of questions.

9:06And in some of the demos that people are already putting out there, you can see that the system doesn't fully follow your instructions. It's Sometimes, and the funniest one that I've seen is it was given instructions. It went to look for specific images of something. And they just went on this rabbit hole of just watching videos and looking at images, just like we would. It's just like people will lose your attention. And now you're doing something else. It will venture off to do something else. Now, I think, again, these things are going to get resolved over time. But the risks are basically endless.

9:36And so I think before the point, we can put serious real guardrails. I'm going to talk more about this after we talk more about agents. This thing is a big problem, but it's already here. The technology in its raw form is already here. It's already available. And there were several companies before releasing these kind of tools, but now that it's available through Anthropic, which is one of the main largest used AI tools that cost 20 bucks a month to get access to it. And this may cost more later on when they get out of beta, but the options, both good and bad, are basically limitless. Now, staying on the same topic of agents and what they can do, a company called Crew AI, which is a relatively new startup, but that is making really big waves in the agent world, just secured an$18 million in funding.

10:28And I know that doesn't sound impressive with all the AI world where people are raising billions, but it's still their initial funding, and it's very impressive. And Crew AI, per them, now being used by nearly half of Fortune 500 companies to create and execute over 10 million agents every single month. Now, that's a very impressive number for a relatively young company, which is showing you how big the agent opportunity really is. The agent world is supposed to be$5 billion in 2024 and$50 billion by 2030. I actually think these numbers are low, and I think they're going to be higher than that based on being able to replace basically any person in front of a computer.

11:15Now, the recent data and research shows that only 10 % of large enterprises currently are using AI agents, but 82 % are planning to adopt agent technology within the next two to three years. So that kind of tells you where this is going. Agents are going to be everywhere, involved in every process in every large company, and very quickly, probably in small companies as well. Now, what Crew AI enables you to do is it enables you to build your own agents using a simple cloud platform. It enables you to deploy the agents with customized access controls to the different pieces of software you wanted to access and you don't want it to access, it enables you as a company to track the ROI through what it is replacing, how quickly is it working, and how much it actually costs.

12:01You can actually see your cost savings as you're using it. And it has, as I mentioned, endless number of real-world applications like internal process automation, lead generation, lead nurturing, code writing, code updates, It's testing, content creation, legal analysis, literally anything we can do on a computer, these tools we'll be able to do. Staying on the same topic, a company called Celonis has launched what they call Agent C, which is a suite of tools that combines AI agents with process intelligence. The goal here is obviously not just to be able to build the agents, but to actually analyze specific processes, understand how they work, understand what are the pros and cons of the way they're done right now, how they can be improved from an efficiency perspective, and then autonomously create an agent that will perform that task.

12:53Now, process mining software that can capture specific business processes and analyze them has grew 40 % year over year in 2023, and 90 % of corporates are saying that they're planning to increase their process intelligence investments in the next few years. Again, combine that with the capability to use that process analysis to create agents that will replace the process, either partially or completely, tells you how powerful this is. Now, Agent C integrates into multiple existing tools that companies are using. So it can integrate with Microsoft Copilot Studio and IBM Watson and Amazon Bedrock and Crew AI and many other platforms.

13:35So again, you can take this intelligent process analysis tool and connect it to other agent generation tools to build agents, more or less automatically that will replace people doing the existing processes. Two examples that the article gives that companies are already using this for, a company called Cosentino achieved a 5x more credit order processing per day using this technology. A global car manufacturer has automated their entire supplier inquiry responses. So that's a very large, these are large scale operations that are being replaced or dramatically enhanced with this technology. And this week, Bloomberg released an article called AI Agents Enter Workforce as Major Tech Companies Launch Enterprise Solutions.

14:21And they're giving many examples of large corporations and enterprises and how they're already implementing this technology. They're talking about early adoption use cases as Replit using Anthropics AI to automate code review. Salesforce projecting 30 % reduction in call center staffing needs within the next five years. ServiceNow's agents are now being tested across multiple customers of them that are all AI-based agents, et cetera, et cetera. Multiple use cases that are taking more and more aspects across every department of businesses. Now, they're also mentioning what I mentioned before, that these tools have some focus issues and that it will drift off and do something else.

15:01And that's obviously like serious trust and controls concern when deploying these systems, but it's moving forward and it's moving forward a lot faster than anybody believes. Now, as I told you, I want to expand on a few aspects of this. And the first one is the need for serious guardrails. And the second is the need to verify those guardrails. So we must find ways as a society, as workforce, as companies to know for sure that these systems are limited with what they can do once you give them access to a computer with a keyboard and a mouse and access to everything. Because if this tool can do everything on my computer, it can go to my password platform like ClassPass and get my passwords to everything.

15:43And then it can access my bank account and every software that I'm using and my phone and everything else. Now, I was a, you guys know me now as a geek that likes AI, that has been running tech companies for the last 20 years. But I was a geek when I was a kid too. And I really loved reading Asimov, Isaac Asimov's books. And he wrote multiple books and he wrote multiple series, but one of the series is called the Robots series. And in there, he's talking about the three laws of robotics. And he's obviously talking about the future, but we are in this future right now. So his future is our present.

16:20And he's talking about three rules that were the basic to the expansion of robotics in the world. And the first law was a robot may not injure a human being or through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. That was law number one. Law number two was a robot must obey the orders given to it by a human being, except when such orders would conflict with the first. Law number three was a robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the first or second law. And then later on in the later books, he added a fourth law that a robot may not harm humanity or through inaction allow humanity to come to harm.

17:01So basically an expansion of the first law, but rather than one human being, all of humanity with actions that can impact our planet, as an example. I think we're getting to the point that this is what we need. We need some kind of prime directives that these AI systems cannot break in order to protect us, in order to protect the job force, in order to protect society, in order to protect our planet. There's a lot of ways that this can go wrong. And we're going to talk a little more about this thing when we talk about the interview with Demis Asabis that happened this week on where this is going and how badly this can go wrong before us paying attention.

17:41But we're going to get to that later on. But for this particular thing, I think the ability to generate amazing benefits from these agents is obvious. I think it puts a huge risk on job displacement because literally we're able to do everything that we can do. I see that as almost inevitable at this point. And the reason I'm saying it's almost inevitable at this point is because let's say you are a great CEO and you love your people and you want to save every single employee and you don't want to let people go. If you do that, somebody else will go into your industry, into your niche with a company that is one-tenth of your size with an overhead that is one-tenth of your overhead that will be able to have a cost structure that will be significantly more competitive than you.

18:24And they will take your customers because they'll be able to serve them at half the price that you're serving them, still making more money than you, which means your company will go out of business, which means it's not you're going to save your employees. They're all going to be doomed instead of just some of them. Now, I know that sounds doom and gloom, but I don't see this going in any other direction because we will not have a choice because somebody else will start a company that will do what your company does and will be able to do it significantly faster, better, cheaper than you by using AI, which will force everybody to do the same thing.

18:57What does that mean to the job force? What does that mean to our economy? What does that mean to society? Nobody has a clue. And yet this thing is here now. Like agents are being built as we are speaking. The technology is getting better and better. Controlling a computer is now available for testing through a beta on Claude. You don't have to go to a large corporation and figure out the deployment of this. It's available right now on anyone's computer if you want access to it. This is a Pandora's box that is filled with a lot of other smaller Pandora's boxes that nobody understands what's in them.

19:38And yet we're opening them one by one. This to me is maybe the biggest risk that nobody's talking about. what is going to happen to our workforce in the next few years and what does that mean to society. And we need groups, bigger groups, governments, international bodies, corporations that are going to participate in this and everybody that can jump in on a large global scale and figure out what that means. I don't have solutions, whether global basic income or global more income, like whatever the solution is, but we will need a solution and we need to start working on this very, very fast because developing these kinds of solutions takes a few years, and we don't have these years already.

20:18Even if there's no new advancements in these models, the capabilities that exist right now puts us at a very serious risk in my personal belief. Now, continuing on the same topic, the Brookings Institute, which is a non-profit organization from DC, that their mission is to conduct, and now I'm quoting, in-depth non-partisan research to improve policy and government at local, national, and global levels. So there are large, respectable organizations that looks into policies and so on. And they just released a report that is stating that more than 30 % of US workers could see at least 50 % of their job tasks disrupted by current generative AI capabilities, while 85 % of people can see 10 % of their job tasks impacted.

21:09Now they're talking about that the top exposed industries are computer and mathematical roles with 75%, task exposure, office and administrative at 60%, business financial operations at 52%, et cetera, et cetera. So there's a bunch of others around 50%. The other interesting thing that they're saying is that the immediate future, there's a big gender impact because the immediate future, they're seeing a lot more administrative tasks being replaced. And most of those are held by female workers. So they're saying that right now, from a gender perspective, 36 % of female workers and only 25 % of male workers are at high risk.

21:46I think as this moves forward, it is gender agnostic because it's going to replace almost every task we do in front of a computer. Now, while these numbers are scary because they're talking about 70%, 60 % and so on on specific categories, and in some of them, 85%, the really scary thing is that this research is based on a paper released by OpenAI that is called GPTs or GPTs, labor market impact potential of LLMs, that is based on GPT-4 technology, which is a year old. It does not take into account GPT-40, Gemini 1.5 Pro, not to mention Strawberry Project or GPT-01, which now can think and do more complex stuff, not to mention controlling computers, not to mention agents.

22:33This report that is already doom and gloom and scary is not updated to what's available right now and definitely not updated to what's going to be available two or three years from now when we're talking about AGI capabilities that will really be able to do everything that we do better than us and will have access to any tool we're going to give it access to. Now, I'm not telling you this to scare you. I'm just telling you this so you're more knowledgeable in what I think is happening. And I assume this is happening because I'm looking at what all the big companies are doing to develop these kind of capabilities.

23:08So billions of billions of dollars are going towards developing what I just said. And nobody is really doing anything about this other than competing and trying to get these to get us there faster. It's just like a train that's going faster and faster to a gorge when maybe there's a bridge, but maybe there isn't. That's kind of how I feel about the situation. And the reason I'm sharing this with you is I want you to share this with everybody. So maybe this gets to the right people and some bigger people start taking action in order to secure our future or at least make it safer than it seems right now.

23:43Now, after all of this big news, let's start talking about very specific news to specific companies. A week cannot go by, obviously, without us talking about OpenAI. So there's a very fierce battle between OpenAI and Anthropic as far as code generation. As I mentioned in the beginning, that's a big focus for Anthropic in their latest release. And it's also a big focus for OpenAI. So this report from the information is saying that OpenAI coding-focused ChatGPT subscriptions, so the companies who use ChatGPT to create code, is at a run rate of$3 billion. dollars. That's a huge amount of money. And it's a big chunk of the entire income of OpenAI and ChatGPT.

24:25Anthropic is projecting$1 billion in annual revenue by the end of 2024. And a lot of it goes to the same tasks, right, of developing code and creating code for different companies. GitHub Copilot is tracking towards$300 million annually. So it's a very fierce competition. And so the information is sharing that OpenAI is working on several new products. One is an advanced coding tool for complex software engineering tasks. So basically elevating the level of what AI can do today with coding. The other one is integration with popular code editors like Visual Studio, etc. An internal research assistant tool for AI researchers.

25:04So people who don't just write code, but that specialize in AI development. There's obviously going to be more and more of those across multiple companies. and computer using agent capabilities, similar to what Claude just released as beta. So all these things. Now, the information has been very consistent in releasing accurate information from inside sources. So usually when they're saying something, it's based on real facts and it's not just a rumor. So it's very obvious and it makes sense that OpenAI is working on these things. Now, once they release those and they may not be released all at once, but they could be released one by one or even in different stages.

25:42They're obviously fighting other people than Anthropic. They're also going after GitHub Copilot, as I mentioned, and Cursor, which is one of the most favorite new development platforms that a lot of people have moved to in this AI development era. The interesting thing is Cursor got an investment from OpenAI, and now they're going to release a tool that's going to compete with that. But we've seen that across this industry time and time again. Now, the more interesting rumor about OpenAI is that according to The Verge, OpenAI next generation model, that name code Orion, that is supposed to be 100 times more powerful than GPT-4, is supposed to be launched in December of 2024.

26:26If this happens, this is going to put OpenAI and ChatGPT in the lead again compared to their competition from the other large frontier model companies like Anthropic and Google and so on. And the other part of the rumor is that unlike previous releases, this initial release is going to go first and foremost to large companies for product development and not to the general public. That being said, Sam Altman tweeted that this is fake news and it's out of control. So I don't know if that's true or not. Again, The Verge, I haven't been following news from The Verge very closely to say how accurate they've been.

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27:05I've been following the information very closely and everything they've released have always been accurate. So time will tell. They're obviously working on this. They haven't been hiding that they've been working on this, but maybe the release date of December is just not accurate. Either way, everybody's expecting the next model release from ChatGPT to be very significant. Now, in a research paper released by two researchers by ChatGPT, they're sharing that they developed a new technology that is accelerating the generation of images with diffusion models 50 times faster than it is today. So they've developed several different sizes of models, but now they're able to create images with diffusion models that are almost at the top level of the other models today.

27:46They're claiming a 10 % gap in quality with a significant reduction in compute and time. So far, they've done this for relatively small images, so 512 by 512 pixels. But once they figure out the capability, they can scale it up and add more functionality to it. And they're claiming that the same concepts will be able to be applied to images, audio, and video, which tells us these things can be in the backend of the next generation of DALI 4 or whatever they're going to call it, and Sora or whatever they end up calling their video model. And so we've talked about this many times in the past on this show that the capabilities are becoming faster and cheaper for two different reasons.

28:33One, compute is becoming cheaper, but also because new algorithms and new algorithms and new processes are being developed and they allow the companies to run on the same compute significantly faster, in this particular case, 50x faster. So that's a huge improvement. And I'm personally excited as somebody who generates lots of images and some videos. I'm very excited about this. Another OpenAI related news comes actually from Morgan Stanley. So Morgan Stanley, one of the largest investment banks in the world, have announced that they are expanding their partnership with OpenAI. They're claiming that right now, nearly half of Morgan Stanley's 80 ,000 employees are using OpenAI Power Tools daily.

29:16They're claiming game-changing efficiency with Salesforce forced responses to clients' inquiries 10 times faster than before, the tool is processing insights from 70 ,000 plus annual research reports, and that these new set of tools from OpenAI are being used three times higher than previous traditional analysis tools that they've been using. So obviously, they're seeing huge benefits from this, and they're, as I mentioned, announced that they're expanding this partnership to do more with it. The biggest use cases that they're using it for is summarizing research on stock commodities and industry trends.

29:55It processes complex queries about specific companies to allow to make better decisions, and it handles industry specific jargon for specific companies and creates data visualization for the employees. Multiple tasks around research and preparation to investment. And as you already know, there's been multiple companies around the world that's been doing algo trading for a very long time. So this is just going to expand on that to the point that the stock market is going to run mostly by algorithms, even from private investors and not just from large companies. There's been more and more rumors, by the way, about OpenAI and their tension with Microsoft, with the relationship with Mustafa Suleiman that took the helm of AI at Microsoft.

30:37And as I shared with you last week, this frenemies relationship looks to be not on stable grounds all the time because Mustafa Suleiman has a history with some of the people in OpenAI and also the fact that he came from a competitor and now is running this. There are a lot of discussions that they're not sharing the information that they're supposed to share and that some information that's not supposed to be shared is transferred over, not necessarily through the right channels. So it doesn't seem that there's a lot of trust between these two organizations right now. And as we know, OpenAI are developing things that are competing with Microsoft.

31:11We talked a lot about this last week. And Microsoft is also working with leadership of Mustafa Suleiman to develop their own models that can potentially compete with OpenAI. So it'll be interesting to continue following this partnership. Right now, it seems that Microsoft has a lot more leverage in this relationship because they have a very solid agreement with OpenAI as far as how much of the revenue is going to go to Microsoft and access to their models. And they're the ones that control the compute. And they're the ones that are investing a lot of the money. But there's this little interesting clause that we talked about when this relationship started in 2023 that allows OpenAI not to deliver the next technology to Microsoft if they define it as AGI.

31:58And the authority to determine what is AGI and what is not lies with OpenAI's board. So basically all that OpenAI needs to do in order to unplug Microsoft from the next variation of models is for OpenAI's board to say, okay, this is now AGI. So GPT-5, Orion, whatever it's going to end up being called is now AGI and hence Microsoft does not get access to it. So this is their leverage in this entire relationship. As I mentioned, it will be interesting to continue following this relationship between these two companies and see where it is evolving. Now, it's been a while, and I want to say a while, maybe a month, since a senior person from OpenAI is leaving, and then at the same time talking about his concern about how OpenAI is approaching safety.

32:44So the current person is Myles Brundage. I hope I don't butcher his last name, but Myles is leaving from his role as senior advisor to AGI readiness. So again, a very senior person in the safety side of OpenAI, and he's making similar claims to previous people who left OpenAI. And Miles is saying that he's planning to pursue policy research in the nonprofit sector that has to do with AI. And he cites his desire for more, and I'm quoting, more ability to publish freely, which basically lets you understand that some of the things he wanted to say in OpenAI, he was not allowed to say. As we know, the AGI readiness team has been wounded down and has been distributed across other segments of the company.

33:31So he urges other employees in OpenAI to speak their minds more freely and discuss the current developments as well as safety or lack of safety. And as I mentioned, he's not the first person not leaving. We had CTO Mira Morati, the chief research officer, Bob McGrew, research VP Barrett Zoff, research scientist Andrzej Karpathy, co-founder Ilya Saskover, co-founder John Schulman, Greg Brockman, who is on quote unquote extended leave, et cetera, et cetera. A lot of senior people have left. Many of them sounded the alarms and the concerns on the push towards competitiveness with not enough safety concerns.

34:11So here's just another person in this very long list of people that is departing OpenAI and sounding the bells on safety. that doesn't sound well, especially when you're going back to the topic that we talked about in the beginning of how much safety we actually do need because of where these systems and how these systems are being deployed. Now, since we were speaking about the relationship of Microsoft and OpenAI, they just launched a$10 million media initiative to fight copyright battles. The idea is to have funds,$5 million. Right now, they're doing this with two different companies, $5 million each with$2.5 million in cash plus$2.5 million in software and enterprise credits to use the models.

34:55And they already have initial recipients that are going to go after these funds. So consider this a fund that will help companies, A, adopt AI, and B, paid for their news outlets. Some of the companies that were mentioned were Newsday and the Chicago Public Media, the Seattle Times, and a few other organizations. The goal is to have a two-year fellowship program that allows access to Microsoft Azure and OpenAI credits and is focusing on implementation in the newsroom. And in return, it will give them access to the news themselves that they can use with a license to do so rather than stealing the information like they did so far.

35:36On the same topic, Meta just announced a partnership with Reuters. So it's the first time Meta is cutting such a deal. It's a multi-year agreement for real news content. The goal is to provide Reuters real-time news through all of Meta's AI chat capabilities, which are already integrated into Facebook and Instagram and WhatsApp and Messenger. And so you'll be able to get coverage and know what's happening in the news just by asking the bot on each and every one of these platforms. This is rolling out right now. So this is an immediate thing that will be available to all of us in the next few days.

36:10Now, before we dive into some news from Google, I want to talk specifically about an interview that was held with Google's DeepMind CEO, Demis Asabis. He was talking a lot about AI agents and AGI and so on. It's a very interesting interview. It's not a very long interview, and I will share the link in the chat so you can find it and listen to the interview. And I want to mention a few things from the interview. A lot of the stuff that he talked about, we kind of known, but I've learned more about Demis, and I've been following him for a while now, but I've learned more about him through this interview.

36:40And a lot of the way he thinks about AGI and so on. So first of all, he thinks we'll get to AGI only in about 10 years. So if you're following his competitors or other people in the industry that are talking to two, three, maybe five years, he looks at it way further out. He's talking about the capabilities that we need to achieve and master to get full AGI, but that's also required for all the agents that we are starting to see right now are planning and thinking ahead, taking action in the real world. So we talked about having access to a keyboard and mouse and so on, reasoning through problems.

37:16So being able to analyze them and understand what are the limitations and work through different steps of the thing, improved memory retention. That's a huge one because if you think about what we talked about before, being able to solve more complex tasks that may take not five seconds or 20 seconds, but maybe a full day or a few days or a couple of weeks will require for the system to know in its memory everything that is happening across the company, connections to other components, and everything that it has executed through that period of time. So that's obviously a very big one. Enhanced personalization, that's something else that he's talking about.

37:53So the ability to understand the needs of a specific individual or a specific organization to really serve them in the most optimal way and the ability to use various tools that are both software and hardware. So these are the things that he's talking about that everybody's working on right now that are going to push us forward in this more agentic world in the road to AGI. But he also talks about the risks and he is in the middle of the spectrum, right? He talked in this interview about the doomers, but also about the tech people that are pushing very fast forward. And he's in the middle. And the reason he's in the middle, he's saying he's optimistic and he thinks we'll get the best out of it.

38:31And he really believes that he will be able to solve diseases and change global warming and find energy solutions that are amazing. So he's talking about this future abundance, but he's saying that there are risks. And now I'm going to quote something that he said that I find profound. So those of you who don't know, Demis is a world-level chess player. And now I'm quoting from the interview. These are new systems with new technologies. They are incredibly powerful. I've seen this in the microchasm of games, something I understand well, like playing chess, where you start with a system alpha zero that's random in the morning.

39:08By morning coffee break, it's better than it was before and can beat me. And then by lunchtime, it's better than the world champion. And then by the afternoon, sort of in eight hours, it's better than the best chess players, you know, hard-coded chess computers. And when he lost to a computer playing AI, but these was hard-coded AI computers. It was really not the AI that we're talking about today without real machine learning. So in eight hours, it goes from not knowing how to play chess, literally making random moves to beating a computer that can beat the best chess players in the world. in eight hours.

39:48So what he's basically saying that the ability of these systems to learn really complex things much faster than we understand once they have access to the right information, the right compute is beyond our control and is beyond our level of understanding. And basically what he's saying that this thing can take a turn in the road and run in that direction before we understand what's happening. And it might be too late. Going back to my whole point about, we have to figure out how, if it's even possible, to put real guardrails on the system and having safe mechanisms like a fail switch that we can actually click to turn this thing off.

40:27I don't know if that's possible. I don't know if that's something that's even realistic, but I think that's what we need. And since I told you we're going to talk a little bit about Google, Gemini just introduced more applications for Workspace. So now there are AI capabilities for Gemini in Google Calendar, Google Keep, and Google Tasks that can be all activated from the admin panel of Google. So you can activate it to specific employees in your organization. And it can create calendar events. It can generate notes. It can manage tasks. It can access and move data in those apps. And it integrates with existing Gemini panel in the workspace apps.

41:02Now, I told you I also have a lot of news about image generation and that world. We shared a lot about Adobe's new releases last week. So Adobe released all these amazing capabilities. And this week, MidJourney launches an AI image editor that basically allows you to take real images, actual photos that you took, and edit them with MidJourney. Look at the demos online. It's absolutely mind-blowing. You can do really cool things. And it allows users to modify an existing images and transform their in their style. You can highlight specific segments in the picture and then change just those segments for different colors, different patterns, different textures, and so on.

41:41Now you can even take doodle art, something you scribbled, and turn it into an actual photorealistic image or any other kind of image you want, like cartoonish, whatever it is that you want. So very powerful capabilities, including retexture feature that allows to convert things from one style to the other, either for the full image or for part of the image, and so on. And it's becoming very, very good at following the prompts and the user guidance on exactly what it needs to do. Now, the problem with it right now is that it's only accessible to users who have generated 10 ,000 images or more, have an annual paid membership, and have been subscribed paying users for at least a year.

42:21So it's not accessible to most, but just like they did with the previous releases, this will change in a few weeks or in the previous time it was a few months, but eventually we're all going to get access to this. The reason I find this interesting is I think what we're going to see, and I'm going to combine the news from Adobe from last week to the news about mid-journey, and we're going to talk about Canva in a minute as well, is that the lines between AI image generation to image editing are going to keep on blurring. I think the tools that were traditionally let's create an AI image with, like mid-journey and Flux1 and an ideogram and so on, are going to go more and more into tools that will allow you to control and change and edit images, whether created by AI or not.

43:06And we're going to see the tools like Adobe and Canva and so on move more and more into the AI image generation capabilities. And the lines are going to be blurring more and more and more. Now, I don't see any large organization that are using Photoshop right now, ditching Photoshop will start using Me Journey, but I definitely see smaller companies, beginners, and people like me who do not really know how to use Photoshop and never had the time to learn starting to use these kind of tools because it's just a lot easier to use and they will give you good enough results across multiple things. And I think two years down the road, it will be very hard to distinguish between the two kinds of tools.

43:47Now, Me Journey is also continuing with their plans that they've announced before, to release 3D capabilities as well as video capabilities sometime in the future. And staying on the same topic of image generation combined with tools, a few weeks ago, I shared with you that Leonardo.ai was acquired by Canva. So this week, Canva has released what they call DreamLab, which is a new entire suite of AI capabilities built into Canva on top of Leonardo's Phoenix model. It allows for really advanced graphic generation with specific styles, allows it to do improved multi-subject image creation and a lot of other capabilities that are built straight into Canva.

44:30You will be able to also create text in a much better way. So AI text, which has been a problem until recently. So I've been using Ideogram every time I needed to create text, but apparently now you can do this built into Canva. So more and more AI capabilities, creation, editing, and so on are coming into Canva itself, which as a Canva user, I'm very excited about, but it goes back to prove the point that I said before. The lines are going to be very blurry between content creation tools, image editing tools, and image generation tools, and video generation tools that are now available in Canva using Kling in the backend.

45:03So all of these tools are built into Canva and you can create a lot more without ever leaving the platform. is Stability AI just launched Stable Diffusion 3.5, which is a major improvement over Stable Diffusion 3. It released three different models, a large one with 8 billion parameters, a mid one, a large turbo with 8 billion parameters that runs faster, and a medium one with 2.6 billion parameters. And this model achieves enhanced realism and superior prompt adherence and improved text generation and a lot of other better capabilities. As you probably know, Stable diffusion is an open source model, which means it can be implemented across everything you want without paying licensing fees and so on, as long as you're a small enough company.

45:47So you can use stable diffusion today for free or non-commercial, or if you're making less than$1 million, you can still use it for free. And I assume we're going to see a lot more companies are using that. Plux model that was released just a few months ago has taken over like a wildfire as far as being integrated into many different tools. And maybe now with the release of Stable Diffusion 3.5, we're going to start seeing it being integrated into more and more places. They're claiming, by the way, that their capabilities are matching or exceeding Flux 1.1 Pro, which is right now the most advanced open source model out there.

46:23And I must claim as somebody who's using it regularly, that is as good as me journey on most things. And again, it's free to use. Staying in the open source world, a company called Genmo has released Mochi One, which is they're claiming to be the best open source AI video generation tool. They're claiming that they can compete on some capabilities with Runway Gen 3 and with Luma Dream Machine, which even if it's not completely true, and even if they're still behind, just like I mentioned a few seconds ago, these tools will grow with their capabilities, then these open source tools will be able to do good enough work.

47:03So even if Machu1 is not there yet, and again, they're claiming that it will be, right now it's lower resolution and it's shorter videos, but the goal for them is to be as good or even better than Runway and Luma and Kling and all of those competitors. And they're focusing right now on just photorealistic content, so not cartoonish stuff like a lot of people are doing. But as I mentioned, over time, I'm sure they will develop more and more of that, and it will be open source and will be free and accessible to integrate with everything else. So that's the direction this thing is going, which connects back to the point that I mentioned several times before.

47:35We're going to talk a little more later on when I talk about Anderson Hurwitz on where is the financial model for the paid models right now, which I'm not 100 % sure about. But staying on the topic of video generation, Runway just launched what they're calling Act One, which is an AI facial motion capture tool. What it allows you to do is it allows you to record yourself on the phone doing whatever facial expression you want without any special equipment and then bringing that into Runway and using it to change the expressions of the videos that are generated within Gen 3 Alpha. So all you need is to create an image of something with a third-party tool.

48:19This could be a cartoon. This could be a photorealistic person. You upload their images to Runway. You upload a video of the expressions that are used as a reference to create a new video. And now that image that you created that could be a cartoon will have the same exact facial expressions that you had when you were using the phone. That saves a huge amount of work that studios had to do somewhat manually so far. And again, it's going to be available on a platform that costs a few dozens of dollars a month, depending on how many credits you want to actually use. This is absolutely magical, and it's going to dramatically simplify and democratize the generation of high-quality video, including people and their face expressions.

49:03And it doesn't even have to be people because you can use those face expressions and then apply them to a cat or a legendary magical creature that you will create the image of using a tool like Me Journey. And from image generation, let's talk a little bit about perplexity. So perplexity, we talked about them many times before. They have been the best AI search engine that is, quote unquote, competing with Google. They're obviously significantly smaller than Google, but they've been growing very fast. So Arvind Srinivas, their CEO, has announced this week that they're now performing 100 million queries each week.

49:34That's about 400 million queries a month. That's up from 250 million a month in July. So this is one and a half times bigger in just a few months, which is telling you how fast they're growing. But they're also adding more and more capabilities that are turning them to a lot more than just an old school search engine. So right now, they've added real-time stock quotes, including the access to historical earnings, data, and visualizations, and industry peer comparisons that has to do with stocks, and company financial analysis, all powered by financial modeling prep, FMP data. They're bringing more and more specific data, not just general internet data, in order to allow people to do a lot more.

50:19They've also announced new partnerships with Crunchbase that will provide private company data access, FactSet, which is a structured, unstructured financial data. And they're making this available for now for enterprise users, but I assume this will come to everybody in the near future. Now, it's still not competitive and solid and as robust as existing financial research platforms, but the direction is very clear. And this is another place where the lines are going to get blurry between traditional tools like Bloomberg to this new age of AI-driven tools that will have access to similar data.

50:57and will be able to do stuff that previously only companies like Bloomberg and Morningstar were able to do, and now will be accessible to hopefully all of us through tools like Perplexity. Now, speaking about Perplexity, Dow Jones and New York Post is suing Perplexity for massive illegal copying of publishers' content. And that's a quote from the lawsuit that they filed just on October 21st. This is not the first time an AI company is being sued by different people who publish content. We've seen similar lawsuits from the New York Times suing OpenAI Microsoft and a lot of other news outlets suing other platforms.

51:34So this is not new. And as we've seen before, it leads to more and more licensing deals like the ones we talked about earlier. And I want to jump to a slightly different topic. I said several times before on this podcast, actually many times, that I don't see the business model future of these models. And the reason I said that is because models are becoming cheaper and cheaper with every cycle. And you have better and better open source models that may not be the best in the world, but might be good enough for most of the tasks that we need. And they will definitely be good enough sometime in the next two to three years.

52:09And then where does that put the money that needs to come in and pay for the development of these models? Well, this week, Mark Anderson from Anderson Horowitz, one of the biggest and most respectable VCs in the world, said the same things. He's basically saying that AI models are becoming commoditized where he compared it to selling rice. He's claiming that this is a race to the bottom, which is exactly what I've been saying for a very long time. And that, as I mentioned, it's becoming a commodity and that there's very limited product differentiation between those providers. and if you'll be able to take even an open source model that is good enough, wrap it with the right capabilities to make the applications as relevant as possible to whoever you want, you may provide more value than just competing with other leading frontier models.

52:58Now, this is very interesting that he's saying that because Anderson Horowitz was one of the original investors in OpenAI. They have participated in a$300 million round in OpenAI in 2023. So when he's coming and saying that, when he has a significant investment in one of those companies, it's telling you that this is a very serious risk to the business model of these companies. That's it for this week. We talked about many, many different things. We're going to be back on Tuesday with another fascinating deep dive into a how-to with AI, something that you can start implementing in your business immediately in order to get higher efficiencies and higher ROI in your business.

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