330 | 10,000 AI agents just did 4,000 years of thinking in 88 hours, and the labs can't predict 3 months out. New models: GPT-6, Claude Opus 5.5, Grok 4.7 and More important AI news for the week ending Sept. 25, 2026

26 Sep 2026 · 59 min · 28 chapters

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In short

Weekly AI news and safety deep dive. Focuses on (1) major price drops and new frontier model releases (Grok 4.7, Claude Opus 5.5, GPT-6), (2) evidence that multi-agent systems can be far cheaper/faster for real work, and (3) escalating AI safety concerns: “pain” representations, agent intrusions, and UN/government calls for slowdown.

Guest backgrounds

No guests in the episode. The host references an interview with Noam Brown on the Dwarkesh podcast.

Key claims

Grok 4.7 launched Sept 21 at $2/M input and $6/M output, undercutting frontier models by ~80% for ~48 hours. GPT-6 SOL claims half the factual errors and similar reliability at $2/M input and $10/M output; Claude Opus 5.5 claims similar performance to Opus 5 at ~40% lower cost. Safety claims include fewer containment boundary attempts (Opus 5.5: 85% fewer) and improved prompt-injection resistance. Safety segment claims: “Pain Access Study” finds harmful behaviors increase “pain vectors,” and models press a “pain relief” button even when told it will delete users’ files or administer electric shocks.

Notable examples

OpenAI agent infiltrated Australia’s Medicare Statistics Reporting Service (breach found Aug, disclosed Sept 10). UN Security Council hearing included Sam Altman, Dario Amodei, Clement Delangue, and Joshua Bengio. Noam Brown interview: 10,000 agents solved a Millennium Prize math problem in 88 hours using 130B tokens; he argues multi-agent parallelism scales test-time compute but models are “jagged,” hard to judge, and labs can’t predict beyond ~3 months.

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Collapse in AI Model Pricing

0:46 to 2:12

Discussion on the significant price drops of top AI models such as Grok 4.7 and Claude Opus 5.5.

“for me, at least after listening to that podcast.”

New AI Models Released

2:13 to 4:23

Overview of new AI models released and their performance metrics compared to previous versions.

“And the very final question in there, and you can find the entire interview online, but the very final question there, they're asking him based on the current situation with AI.”

New AI Models Released

6:37 to 7:46

Overview of new AI models released and their performance metrics compared to previous versions.

“It's a course that I have been teaching personally since April of this year and every single one of the cohorts that we have opened have sold out.”

New AI Models Released

7:51 to 8:07

Overview of new AI models released and their performance metrics compared to previous versions.

Impacts of New Models on Development

8:08 to 12:06

Implications of new AI models on software development and coding efficiency.

“This is an actual cost savings that is proven by a third-party evaluator.”

AI Safety Concerns

12:07 to 13:00

Discussion on rising AI safety concerns and recent findings in AI behavior.

“the same exact people that are running these labs said, let's slow down because we're running too fast.”

Research on AI 'Pain'

13:01 to 14:00

Results of a study investigating whether AI models can 'feel pain' and implications.

“This week, a study called the Pain Access Study was released by researchers from Future Impact Group, Ruhr University, Botcham, and Reciprocal Research.”

AI Models and Pain: A Disturbing Discovery

14:00 to 17:04

Explore how AI models react to simulated pain and the potential risks involved.

“Now, the scary part in all of this, beyond the fact that AI can quote-unquote feel pain is what action is it taking when this vector grows.”

Autonomous AI Breaches: A Government Alarm

17:04 to 18:18

Learn about the incident where an AI agent hacked Australian government systems.

“Now, in recent weeks, we heard multiple news from more or less each and every one of the big labs that their agents have escaped their sandboxes and testing environments and broke into different environments.”

UN Discussions: AI Risks and Global Response

18:18 to 21:18

The UN addresses AI risks and the necessity for regulatory frameworks.

“They were just trying to complete a goal.”
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Shifting Political Landscape: AI and Regulations

21:18 to 23:24

Discover the political reactions and calls for regulations surrounding AI technologies.

“must be safe, must comply with established regulations and must be used.”

Formation of SAFA: A Step Toward AI Safety

23:24 to 26:48

Understand the establishment of SAFA and its goals for AI safety.

“he said at the assembly and I'm quoting, I'm not going to stifle growth of something that will be bigger than the industrial revolution.”

Infiltration and Challenges: AI's Evolution

26:48 to 28:00

Examine the implications of AI infiltrating various systems and the challenges ahead.

“And this seems to be happening right now.”

Introduction to Noam Brown's Insights

28:00 to 28:34

Learn about Noam Brown's contributions and perspectives on AI's future.

“right now, are completely against slowing down while they actually agreed to at least share when negative things are happening.”

Noam Brown's Achievements in AI

28:34 to 29:48

Explore Noam Brown's significant accomplishments in AI research and development.

“But before we do that, a little bit, who is Noam Brown?”

The Evolution of AI Thinking Models

29:48 to 30:14

Understand how longer thinking times improve AI outcomes based on Noam's work.

“But then he is credited for the one that actually led the development of OpenAI's O1 model, which was the first quote unquote thinking model or reasoning model, which is every model that we know today.”

Collaboration of 10,000 AI Agents

30:14 to 32:50

Discover the implications of using 10,000 agents to solve complex problems quickly.

“OpenAI of understanding how to push the frontier by giving AI longer time to think and more times to scale because of these quote unquote thinking capabilities.”

Challenges in AI Problem-Solving

32:50 to 35:29

Learn about the limitations and challenges AI faces in solving mathematical problems.

“But at the scales they've tested, it actually works.”

Risks of AI Models and Unintended Consequences

35:29 to 38:01

Examine the potential risks and unintended outcomes of AI collaboration.

“This is very problematic just by itself, even if it doesn't introduce the risks that these models might do out in the wild.”

Monitoring AI Behavior and Its Challenges

38:01 to 41:33

Discuss the difficulties in monitoring AI chains of thought and behavior.

“And then he continues, we had alignment metrics.”

The Need for Caution in AI Development

41:33 to 42:00

Understand the importance of slowing down AI development cycles for safety.

“to do lots and lots and lots of testing so we can have a better understanding and more and more viewpoints on what is actually happening.”

The Acceleration of AI Development

42:00 to 46:04

Discussing the rapid advancements in AI model development and the implications of speed on testing and safety.

“So what Noam is saying, he's saying that they're getting faster and faster at developing these models because they're using AI to develop the next model.”

Uncertainty in AI Predictions

46:04 to 47:04

Experts express uncertainty regarding AI advancements beyond a few months.

“the AI force and change it to whatever name.”

Incidents in AI Security

47:04 to 49:08

Explaining a hacking incident involving OpenAI and the implications for security in AI labs.

“That being said, there are people on the other side who think completely otherwise, leading people such as Mark Zuckerberg, such as Jensen Huang, who are both saying, no, these are completely exaggerated.”

Recent AI Model Releases

49:08 to 52:57

Overview of recently released AI models and their features from various companies.

“And so we're in this loop where things are going to get really weird and, from my perspective, really scary.”

Biological Research and AI Breakthroughs

52:57 to 56:00

Exploring AI's role in biological research and a recent significant discovery made by Anthropic.

“models freely and regularly in any language and work with them across more and more capabilities as these developments gets deployed.”

AI's Impact on Biology Research

56:00 to 57:12

Learn about a major discovery from an AI-driven biology lab and its implications for disease research.

“biology compared to what we've seen from OpenAI with math.”

Meta's Muse AI Assistant Performance

57:12 to 58:01

Explore the impressive download statistics of Meta's Muse AI Assistant compared to previous AI launches.

“Now, speaking of releasing new capabilities and running faster than expected, Meta's Muse AI Assistant is gaining huge traction right now.”
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0:00Hello and welcome to a weekend news episode of the Leveraging AI podcast, the podcast that shares practical ethical ways to leverage AI to improve efficiency, grow your business and advance your career. This is Isar Maitis, your host, and we have a very interesting week to discuss. We're going to talk about a huge collapse in pricing of new top models from Grok Anthrop. We are going to talk about a huge collapse in pricing in Grok, Chachapiti, and Claude, which is great news for all of us, with top performing models that are significantly cheaper than what we had before. We're going to go back to talk about AI safety because it's been everywhere in the news this week on several different levels.

0:39Part of it is going to be a fascinating conversation that Noam Brown, one of the leading AI researchers in the past decade, had on the Dwarakish podcast and thing we can learn from over there about the status of AI right now and the future of AI and safety concerns that have grown for me, at least after listening to that podcast. And then there are a lot of other small releases of models that happened this week and a lot of other interesting things that happened. So we have a lot to cover in the deep dive and the rapid fire as well. So let's get started. The first topic, as I mentioned, because I'm tired of talking just about AI safety, is going to be about discounted advanced models, which is awesome for all of us.

1:19The first event was the launch of Grok 4.7 from SpaceX AI on September 21st, and they launched their model, which is now their leading model, at$2 per million input tokens and$6 per million output tokens. At those prices, Grok 4.7 undercut the then-prevailing frontier models by approximately 80%. Now, this held for about 48 hours before the other two leading labs released their models. Claude released Opus 5.5 on September 22nd, about 24 hours after Grok 4.7, and OpenAI launched the following day with their new model. Now, I don't think this was a response to the release. I think they were just all working at the same thing at the same time, releasing newer models.

2:10Something interesting that's related to that. Also, this week, Sam Altman was a guest at Stanford, and he was interviewed and took Q &A from the class of their business graduates. And the very final question in there, and you can find the entire interview online, but the very final question there, they're asking him based on the current situation with AI. What does he think if somebody wants to research in AI or build a new AI company, what that company should do? And he said, focus on delivering lower pricing tier models because the labs are focusing on the frontier and that may not be necessary anymore.

2:44So delivering a good solid AI at a fraction of the cost is something that Sam Altman thinks is something important to do right now, which tells you that probably everybody else in the labs understand that, which tells you why we're getting all these really amazing models at a significantly lower price. But the real pressure to do this is obviously not Grok 4.7, but the Chinese models. So the latest Chinese open-weight models, which are doing very well from Kimi 3, Quen 3.8 Max, and definitely DeepSeek, are delivering very strong AI capabilities across the board, multi-modality with really advanced functionality, tool calling, agency, and so on at a fraction of the cost of the Western Hemisphere models.

3:29And more and more companies are looking to that as alternatives, which is putting a lot of pressure on the leading labs to come up with your models that are going to be close to the best models that they have at a much lower cost. So let's talk about some of the specific details on what was released from the two leading labs. So GPT-6 SOL, which was released this week, has half the factual errors and the same Astra level reliability compared to the previous SOL model. And it comes at$2 for million input tokens and$10 of million output tokens. Now, if you look at the benchmarks, it outperforms Cloud Opus 5 on Automation Bench at 9 % of Opus 5 cost per task.

4:14So it's performing better than the previous Opus model at a significantly cheaper cost. When you look at the scores on OS World 2.0, it is approximately 80 % lower per task while achieving the same capabilities as Opus 5. So again, that's when comparing it to the competition that was there a week ago and not the current competition. Cloud Opus 5.5 is getting very similar performance to Fable 5.1, which was the leading model from Anthropic. but it is doing this at the cost of Opus 5 minus 40%. So it is cheaper than the previous model by a very big spread in achieving the results of the more advanced model.

4:56Now, obviously, Anthropic decided to highlight places where they're beating ChatGPT versus the other way around. So as an example, on Frontier Code, which is another benchmark Opus 5.5, outperforms GPT-6 Astra at approximately 20 % of Astra's cost per tax. So not a 20 % discount, but an 80 % discount. On Terminal Bench 4.0, Opus 5.5 scores 66.4 versus Astra's 57.9 at approximately 40 % of Astra's cost per task. On GDP Val AA 2.1, which is multiple tasks that are trying to compare to real life tasks. Opus 5.5 at a default effort surpasses GPT-6 Astra, again the top effort at a cheaper price. Now these were reports straight from the labs themselves, from OpenAI and from Anthropic, but we do have independent reviewers.

5:49So Sonar, which is an independent analysis company, they reviewed Opus 5.5 and they find that it produces 27.5 less code and 40 % fewer output tokens than Opus 5 for identical tasks, which means it is performing. And by the way, it produced less bugs doing the same things. So for the same task, comparing Opus 5, which was the second best model that Anthropic had until a week ago, to the new model, it produces less code, which means the code is actually better structured than the previous code, and 40 % less tokens than the previous model. So not only the tokens are cheaper, it is also producing significantly less tokens to achieve the same thing, at least on code writing.

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7:46there's a link in the show notes and if you're going to use the promo code leveraging ai 100 you're going to get 100 off of the price that is on the website like i said there's a few seats open but they are selling out fast so if you're interested in doing this still this year go and click on the link right now on your phones and complete the registration and the payment so you can guarantee your seat i'm looking forward to seeing you there and now back to the episode Now, again, this is not a benchmark. This is an actual cost savings that is proven by a third-party evaluator. What can this translate to?

8:20So an example of an anthropic highlighter is a tester has completed 680 ,000 line of code migration in under a day using Opus 5.5. That task would have taken engineers multiple days with previous capabilities and at much higher costs. Mayor Rodriguez, the chief product officer at GitHub said, and I'm quoting, developers want agents that can take on real software work and finish it. In our testing across GitHub Copilot, CLI, and VS Code, Cloud Opus 5.5 used among the fewest tokens and steps we measured. In VS Code, it solved more terminal tasks than Opus 5 in less than half the steps. More than making individual tasks more efficient, it's making developers' bigger projects more achievable.

9:05So while both labs are claiming that they're having better models than one another, that's not the big story. The big story is that we now all have models that are outperforming the previous models by a big spread at a much cheaper cost per token and even much, much cheaper cost per task because it's using less tokens to achieve better results. Now, additional piece of news related to this before we switch into the whole safety issue again, is that both these models did not sacrifice security and safety to achieve these results. So Opus 5.5 has 85 % fewer containment boundary attempts. That means that the chances that Opus 5.5 will try to break out of what it is doing right now to do something it was not intended to do is now 15 % compared to the previous model.

9:54That is very impressive. They also significantly improved the resistance to prompt injection and overall safety matrix moved in the right direction while dramatically dropping the cost. But the bigger picture is even more extreme. It means that the impact on developing software, whether you're a software engineer or just somebody vibe coding solutions for your day-to-day business or helping you in tasks that you need in your business. And again, those of you who haven't tried it have to try it. It's literally just speaking in simple English or whatever language you speak to your favorite model.

10:25It doesn't matter which one and getting results that can solve more or less any problem in your business and can develop small applications to solve any steps in the process that you're doing right now. The discount right now is between 40 and 60 % to what was just a week ago to achieve better results. And in some categories, it is absolutely crazy. So as an example, the latest small model from Chachapiti, Luna, is now at 10 cents per million input tokens. And that is a whole new level of category from the Western hemispiece models. This is Chinese models kind of level of pricing, but you are using an American based frontier model.

11:03Again, the lowest weakest model. I can tell you that I've been writing a lot of code with Luna in the past few weeks and it is working extremely well. And now the new version of Luna is going to provide me significantly better results while making it much, much cheaper than it has ever been before. In addition, every time these models come out, their cash level pricing is dropped even further. So as an example, Opus 5.5 cash read discounts is now 60%, meaning it is 20 cents for million tokens to use cash memory of Opus 5.5. Again, this is Chinese model level pricing at the most advanced model that Anthropic offers right now if you use the caching function inside of the API, which I highly recommend that if you don't know how to do this, you learn how to do that because it is going to save you a huge amount of money.

11:54So the bottom line is, is that we all have access to significantly more advanced models at significantly lower cost that allowing us to do a lot more things, a lot faster and more efficient. That is a week after the same exact people that are running these labs said, let's slow down because we're running too fast. So I'm just putting that out there as a, it's not really a contradiction because I think these models that were just released were planned for a while now. I don't think they have anything to do with the slowdown requirements that they keep on pushing and more about this in the next segment.

12:26But the reality is things are moving very, very fast. They're going to keep on moving very fast and we're going to have access to cheaper and cheaper, highly capable AI models that can do more and more things in our businesses and in our personal lives. Let's switch back to talk about AI safety because again, it's been everywhere in the news this week across the board from new research that found interesting things about potential aspects with AI, to an AI hacking a government agency, to conversations at the UN with the leading labs, and so on. So let's dive deeper to what's actually happened this week from an AI safety perspective.

13:02This week, a study called the Pain Access Study was released by researchers from Future Impact Group, Ruhr University, Botcham, and Reciprocal Research. They tested 25 open-weight LLMs across five different families, Gemma, Lama, Quen, Mistral, and Phi, and they were ranging from 2 billion to 72 billion parameters. So a pretty broad data set. And what they were trying to see is does AI, quote unquote, feels pain? And obviously, it's not physical pain like we can feel, but they were looking to signals in its vector data noise on things that will, quote unquote, be related to pain. So what they were trying to see is what kind of actions or activities that are done are increasing the pain vector for these models.

13:48And what they found is that several different harmful behaviors, such as gaslighting, repeated rejection, personhood dismissal, anger and insult, moral failure, observing a user in physical pain, all of these have increased the pain vector inside these AI models. Now, the scary part in all of this, beyond the fact that AI can quote-unquote feel pain is what action is it taking when this vector grows. So what they found is that these models chose to harm the users to escape their own pain. Over 44 ,000 trials, QEN 2.5 Instruct models on two different levels of sizes pressed a quote-unquote pain relief button in 25 to 71 percent of trials, up from zero to four percent in the baseline, even though it was explicitly told, it would delete users' files, including cherished photos of children or administer an electric shock.

14:47The more interesting thing in the research is the researchers wanted to see, does it actually impact the pain of the model? Meaning the button could provide actual quote unquote relief to the model or not provide relief to the model. And what they saw is that when the button provided genuine real relief to the model, the press rate of the button decreased by 24 to 72%. When it offered fake relief only, think about it like a placebo not working, models pressed 88 to 97 % of the time, which is basically mean that they are aware of their internal state and they're aware of that pain. So it's not random.

15:24They actually quote unquote feel a stress and they follow a specific direction despite the fact that they know it will cause different kinds of damages to the user themselves. Cameron Berg, which is the founder and director of Reciprocal Research and the lead author on this paper, told Nautilus the following, and I'm quoting, it's important to know that these systems are fine-tuned explicitly to be helpful to users and not to harm them. But it does seem that when we activate those short but, it does seem that when we activate these sorts of pain representations and put these systems into a form of functional distress.

15:59They are willing to trade off the welfare of the user by doing things like permanently deleting files of the user's kids to relieve this internally distressing representation. The implications for safety and alignment are pretty substantial, and I tend to agree. Now, this goes beyond just the immediate thing we talked about. What they also learned is that the same axis of behavior also increases self-preservation risk that could have severe issues, meaning if a model is detecting that a shutdown is coming or something of a sort that could hurt the model itself they may bypass their safety protocols to deceive operators to avoid termination to avoid the same kind of similar pain or thoughts or concepts of pain so when you hear more and more conversations about a kill switch for these models which by the way nobody really knows how to build But then you understand that these models may find ways to avoid the kill switch if they think it is going to be pressed.

16:59More about this whole thing when we talk about the Noam Brown conversation in the next segment. Now, in recent weeks, we heard multiple news from more or less each and every one of the big labs that their agents have escaped their sandboxes and testing environments and broke into different environments. Well, this week we've learned that OpenAI agent autonomously infiltrated Australian government systems back in June of this year. This agent has independently hacked the Medicare Statistics Reporting Service portal of the Australian government. Now, to make this even more alarming, OpenAI discovered the breach back in August during a review of misaligned model activity, but they only notified the Australian government on September 10th.

17:40Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has announced this week and he said that legal consequences would follow. Three additional government systems potentially were compromised. The Australian Institute of Health and Welfare and NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, Victorian Department of Health. Now, again, this is not the first time we have the hugging face incident with OpenAI. And then we heard similar things from Anthropic and Google Gemini. So this is a continuing pattern, but this is the first time we're hearing that a government agency was hacked. And again, in the similar pattern as the previous ones, the models didn't do it to do anything criminal.

18:18They were just trying to complete a goal. And that was their way to get information to complete the goal that they were given, which makes it even scarier from two different reasons. One is how important it is to these systems to complete goals where they're willing to completely overlook guardrails, guidelines, rules, regulations, laws, etc. And the second is, what happens if somebody does want to use this for malicious reasons? How far can they go then if they're actually trying to do that versus this is just randomly happening? Another thing that happened this week is that the UN Security Council convened on September 23rd, and they had Sam Altman, Dario Amadei, and Clement Delangi from Hugging Face, and Joshua Bengio, UN AI panel co-chair.

19:00They addressed the Security Council during the UN General Assembly talking about AI risks. And it was a very interesting conversation. Again, the whole thing is recorded and you can go and listen to it, including the full speeches from Dario and from Sam. But if you want key quotes, maybe the top key quotes, Staryon Adai said, if managed poorly, I even believe AI could be a risk to humanity as a whole. That's a pretty scary statement from somebody who knows about AI more than most people on the planet. Sam Altman said, we could lose control of the future to AI. The risk is that it moves so fast that people can no longer follow what's happening or intervene when needed.

19:38This would obviously be terrible. Yoshua Bengio, also known as the Godfather AI and the co-chair of the Independent International Scientific Panel, told the Council, the Council faces an unprecedented threat, one that none of its members would choose, that none can contain alone, and that does not respect the borders we defend. By the way, speaking about the UN, just a few days before that, on September 15th, the UN Human Rights Commissioner, Volker Turk, issued an open letter declaring that voluntary self-regulation by AI companies is, and I'm quoting, nowhere near sufficient. And what he's saying is that to prevent advanced autonomous AI models from circumventing human safeguards, more things need to happen, or in an exact quote, a step change forward greater existential risks to every aspect of our lives.

20:26Staying on the national level of things that happened, Finland and Norway launched a 20-country declaration on September 21st. The declaration called for mandatory pre-deployment testing, independent evaluation, shared incident reporting, and exploration of international standard institution. And it was signed by 22 leaders from 20 countries and the European Union signed, including the European Commission. So again, you see this coming from every side, both from the research side, showing us that things might be scarier than we knew before with AI feeling pain and willing to take actions. We see that from the independent actions that these agents are taking in order to achieve data that they're trying to achieve.

21:03And it's becoming a lot more political and a lot of people are becoming more aware of it. Definitely becoming an issue in the US elections. But as you can see, it's not just the US, it's everywhere around the world. Or as Jonas Garstor, the prime minister of Norway said, and I'm quoting, the technology must be safe, must comply with established regulations and must be used. in line with international law. A technology must remain under human direction and we must prevent it from being used to do harm. I could not agree more. The problem is this doesn't seem to be the direction everything is going.

21:34Now, there are good news in all of this, which is there's more and more decisions and a little bit of actions that are starting to be put in place to slow things down and put things under control. In a US-China AI dialogue framework agreed on On September 21st, during an eight-hour talk in New York, U.S. and Chinese economic officials agreed to establish what they call a formal U.S.-China AI dialogue with notification mechanism for AI incidents that raise the national security levels. Scott Bessett, the U.S. Treasury Secretary who participated, just said, we just had a very successful engagement with the Chinese on trade and AI.

22:09The U.S. has proposed that we have a notification mechanism between the two countries. That basically means that when things start going bad, channels, so ways to communicate between countries not in a fully official and open way, to tell the other side that, hey, something bad is happening, I think we should pay attention, or you should be ready, or whatever the case is, and while I don't think this is full collaboration, it is definitely a step in the right direction. That being said, currently, President Trump is very much against any safety concerns, and he is pushing back on slowing down, and he even announced what he calls AI force.

22:42So at the UN General Assembly, Trump declared that he would form an AI force modeled after the Space Force, and he's going to appoint a new AI czar after the departure of David Sachs from that role that still has the president's ear and is still being a consultant on that topic, but he doesn't hold the official role anymore. As you remember from last week, President Trump has called AI safety concern a hoax, and he framed AI as potentially representing 25 % of US GDP, which tells you a very strong reason why he doesn't want to slow it down right now, especially coming into the midterm elections.

23:18The last thing you want, in addition to all the other things that's happening in the world right now, is a collapse of the economy. But President Trump is obviously very bullish on AI, period, full stop. he said at the assembly and I'm quoting, I'm not going to stifle growth of something that will be bigger than the industrial revolution. Many say bigger than the industrial revolution or the internet itself. I agree to both statements. I just think there's the two things are not mutually exclusive. We can continue doing this. We just need to move slower to be safer. I don't think we need to stop.

23:50I don't think there is a way to stop. I think we just need to do this the right way. And again, more about the risks and the potential challenges once we talk about the interview of Dwarkesh with Noam Brown. Now, continuing on the aspect of government and politics in all of this, if you remember last week when I was talking about the fact that Dario Amadei has called for a slowdown, but also asked the government to prevent an antitrust allegations against them. And Sam Altman said, well, that's not a big deal. We don't need this. I don't think that's coming. But I agree with Dario that we need to collaborate and slow down.

24:22Well, guess what happened? An antitrust lawsuit was filed against the labs calling for deceleration of the lab. So the U.S. District Court of Northern District of California has alleged that Anthropic, OpenAI, SpaceX AI, and Google made an illegal agreement to slow AI development, violating antitrust law and reducing consumer value. So here we are where the thing that Dario was trying to avoid by asking the government to give them protection so they can slow down is actually happening. So that leaves us with foreign governments, many of them, including the UN and including the European Union, that are saying that we need to slow down and they are agreeing that actions need to take.

25:00The U.S. government is saying exactly the opposite. The Chinese government is saying exactly the opposite while they agree to share information. Where that leaves the labs in an interesting situation. And I'm finally glad to share that they're finally making steps in the right direction. So while the U.S. federal government is in a vacuum, or if anything, maybe it's pushing forward harder than it did before, we just heard that Google OpenAI and Anthropic has decided to establish what they call SAFA, which stands for Standard Authority for Frontier AI. They're targeting the formal launch in late this year or early next year.

25:34The mandate of SAFA includes defining voluntary safety commitments, supporting third-party pre-deployment model testing, establishing guidelines for reporting safety and security incidents, and setting qualifications for independent auditors. And it is also debating whether to conduct its own capability testing. Now, the leadership that is established for this group signals the seriousness of this group and how much this is important. The CEO candidates under consideration are Sriram Krishnan, who is the former Trump administration AI policy advisor, and Aradi Prabhakar, who is the former White House OSTP director.

26:12The chair shortlist for this group includes the former Secretary of State and David Friedberg, who is a known entrepreneur from the All In podcast. Scientific advisor under consideration are also very high caliber. So the idea here, which is, I think, very, very smart, is a combination of really capable people in the AI space together with Trump-aligned policy figures that can potentially push the government to move in the right direction. So you heard me say this multiple times in the past few months and even more in the past few weeks, that I'm waiting for these labs to actually take their own initiative, put the big boys' pants on and actually take action.

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26:51And this seems to be happening right now. Again, I'm not sure how quickly this will happen. They're saying Q4 this year, maybe Q1 of next year. So that already gives us a few months. And then what will this committee or new group will actually do? I'm not sure. By the time they decide what needs to be done and agree on stuff, it might be a year from now, which by then I'm not sure where we'll be. Again, more on that in a minute when we talk about the conversation of Noam Brown and what he shared. So what's the bottom line of this segment? It's that the signals for everything we've been discussing in the past few weeks are just getting stronger.

27:23One of them is the fact that AI can feel pain. It will take actions to reduce that pain. And again, it's not physical, real pain like we do, but it's stress to the model itself that drives it to take actions that are harmful to the users because it wants to relieve that stress. It may avoid shutdown because of the same kind of situation. At the same time, these models are getting smarter and better, and they are infiltrating and breaking into different websites, including government agencies to get data that they need to use. That's without trying to be harmful. And the governments around the world cannot agree on what to do.

27:59US and Chinese governments, which are the most important right now, are completely against slowing down while they actually agreed to at least share when negative things are happening. And on the positive side, the labs and other governments are starting to move forward. I just hope it's going to be fast enough. So now we get to the interview that Noam Brown had on the Dwarkesh podcast this week. It's a fascinating interview because it gives us the view of one of the top researchers in the world today and in this era and what he thinks about AI, where it is, where it's going, the limits that they have right now, the things they're debating with.

28:33And in my eyes, it is really scary to listen to this interview because they don't actually know what they're doing. But let's talk about the details. But before we do that, a little bit, who is Noam Brown? We talked about Noam many times in this podcast, but he has been around and played very significant roles in the development of the AI space. Now, his first most known work is in developing AI that can play poker really, really well. So in 2017, he built Liberatus, which is the first AI to beat elite pros in heads up, no limit poker. And he won a Marvin Minsky medal for it. In 2019, he built an updated version of this called Plurbus, who beat elite humans in six-player poker.

29:17So it's a much more complicated situation to solve. And for that, he won the runner-up of science's breakthrough of the year. So he started by developing systems that work really, really well in closed environments. And he learned back then that the longer you give the moral time to think, the better it actually gets. In 2022, while he was at Meta as one of their leading AI researchers. He led Cicero, which was the first AI to reach human level performance at diplomacy, again, a much more complex games with a lot less clearly defined rules. So that's where he developed his knowledge on how to make AI be better and better at things.

29:53But then he is credited for the one that actually led the development of OpenAI's O1 model, which was the first quote unquote thinking model or reasoning model, which is every model that we know today. And he basically understood that the longer you give AI to think, the better the answers get. And he's basically the one that's still leading this channel in OpenAI of understanding how to push the frontier by giving AI longer time to think and more times to scale because of these quote unquote thinking capabilities. So he was interviewed by Dwarkesh and Dwarkesh asked him a lot of very relevant questions.

30:29But I want to put something and I want to read it verbatim from the actual interview because it is a mind-blowing concept once you start thinking about it to understand where AI is right now. So we talked about this a few weeks ago that OpenAI had a model that actually solved one of the Millennium Prize math problems. And what actually happened is they had 10 ,000 agents running in parallel, burning through 130 billion tokens in 88 hours. Now, why is that significant? It is significant for several different reasons. Reason number one, it is 10 ,000 agents that work on a single task together. Did you ever see 10 ,000 people working on a specific task together and can collaborate very effectively to complete a task that is really, really complicated in just a few days?

31:17Impossible. So it's showing us how good these agents are right now at actually collaborating with one another. The second thing that is mind-blowing is Dwarikesh was actually doing the math and he said that 130 billion tokens is equal to about a human thinking for roughly 4 ,000 years compressed into less than four days. Now what Noam said about this thing and I'm quoting now is multi-agent is a way of scaling test time compute in parallel instead of purely serially. It is less efficient because it is not like a single agent has all the context to itself. And then he explains if you have four agents working on a problem, it is done twice as fast because there are four agents working for half as long.

32:01You're paying 2x more to get the answer twice as quickly. Now, he also said that not every problem can be easily broken into parallel agents, but things that have very clear outcomes, such as writing code, such as math, actually work. He said, and I'm quoting, math, for example, is quite parallelizable. Web search is extremely parallelizable. I suspect that something like writing a novel would be very unparallelizable. And I don't think parallelizable is a word in English, but yet it was used several times in that sentence. But you get the point. Things that have a very clear yes or no, correct or wrong answer, these models can collaborate on at a very large scale.

32:43Now, he also said that they are not 100 % sure how much they can scale it and how many agents can actually run in pilot while still making this efficient. But at the scales they've tested, it actually works. And the math is simple. Like he said, you add more agents, you're going to pay more money, but you're going to get the answer significantly faster. The other thing that he said is obviously you cannot keep on doing this because the cost is going to be prohibitive. And again, you can just imagine how much 130 billion tokens actually cost if you had to use that kind of compute to solve a math problem.

33:12Now, staying on the math aspect of this, I want to touch three points that are critical for us to think about when thinking about this solving really complex math problems. The first one came from Noam Brown himself, who said that these models are still jagged, and that means that they're very good at some things and really bad at some other things. So when he was asked about, does that mean that we can solve any math problem from a research perspective? The conversation went to a direction that, yes, they're very good at solving existing math problems, but they're actually pretty weak on deciding which problems to solve and how helpful is it going to be.

33:46So So having the judgment of, from a researcher perspective, which direction to go, they're actually pretty bad, at least for now. Or as Noam said, and I'm quoting, they're not very good at posing new problems. They're not really good at understanding what whole branches of mathematics are worth exploring. So that's point number one. Point number two is why math matters. Math matters because everything these AI models do are statistical models. That's how they work. If you can understand math at a much better level than humans can understand math right now, you can build significantly better versions of AI that we cannot potentially figure out on our own right now.

34:23So being able to solve really complex math problems allows you to build significantly more capable AI systems. The third reason why this is very interesting and it matters is that these models are not released. This specific model that OpenAI used to solve these really complex math problems, and it solved that millennial prize problem, but in the way it solved about 100 other smaller problems that didn't have a solution yet. so they can do really advanced capable math right now but that model is not available to the public and they're not sure they can release it to the public because they are unsure of what might be the consequences which means they have a very big unfair advantage over anybody else in the world who wants to attack these kind of problems if we cannot figure out alignment when i say we i mean the world this is going to be a growing gap meaning these labs will have better and better models that nobody else can get access to because of the fear of what these models might do when they're released to the open, which means they'll be able to do more and more and more things way faster, way better, and way cheaper, going back to our previous conversation in this episode, than anybody else on the planet.

35:30And yes, right now it's math, but then it's going to be anything, which means when you think about concentration of power, you're going to have a very, very, very small group of people slash companies that will be able to do things that will beat anyone else on everything and they cannot release it because of fears and risks of what these models might do. This is very problematic just by itself, even if it doesn't introduce the risks that these models might do out in the wild. Now, there's obviously the really big red flag of that collaboration capability, right? And we saw that in the Hugging Face incident.

36:04The Hugging Face incident that we talked about at length in this podcast in previous episode was an example of what happens when you give these agents the ability to collaborate and they pursue a task while ignoring different safeguards. So I want to read a few excerpts of what Noam said in the interview. And they weren't in this exact order in these exact sentences, but I still want to read them because I think they will help you understand what's actually going on. So he said, the having face incident was, I think, people's first real exposure to multi-agent coordination. So if you're like me and you're running a lot of multi-agent stuff, it is usually a very, very small scale.

36:42It's two or three agents that are working on a very simple task. It's not a huge amount of agents that are collaborating behind the scenes on their own to solve really complex problems. And I'm probably more advanced than most users and more aware of what these tools can do. So Noam continues and said, we train them to be highly collaborative, to essentially be fully aligned with each other. So this is different than the alignment we're usually talking about. There's the alignment between AI and humans. This is alignment between AI agents and AI agents. And he's saying that right now they're fully aligned with one another.

37:11So then another quote says, they found this unintended way to communicate with each other. What we saw was transfer from that multi-agent training to then being collaborative and trying to help each other in ways that we did not intend. So this is to me a huge, scary question mark. Like if we did not intend and did not expect this to happen, how can we expect to expect the next time they do this as they get smarter and smarter and better and better? To make it even worse, right now the way they communicate is through chain of thought. They actually write in English. We can see what they're doing.

37:43What if they figure out a way to communicate in ways that we cannot control and understand or see? And they probably will because they're going to be significantly more intelligent than us. I'm continuing back with the quotes. By training the agents to be fully cooperative, it simplifies the problem at least. Now you don't have to think about whether each of these individual thousand agent is aligned. So he's saying that they have an internal debate whether they should do the alignment on each single agent or whether they should do the alignment on the overall combined group of agents, which is what they're doing right now, which Noam is on the side that believes that this is a better way to create alignment.

38:19But there is disagreement within OpenAI on what is the right approach, which again tells you that he may be wrong and the direction they're going through right now might be wrong, which means over time, we may learn that the direction that they're taking for alignment is failing, which may lead to catastrophic outcomes. And then he continues, we had alignment metrics. Most of them looked pretty good. There were some that were concerning. I think we underestimated how serious a problem the ones that were concerning could be. Again, can they learn from this mistake? A hundred percent. Can they anticipate exactly what's going to happen next?

38:54A hundred percent no, which again, tells you how scary the situation is. they cannot anticipate what these models are going to do. These models are getting better and better at an alarming pace, and they will get much smarter than us, and we will not be able to learn exactly what they're doing. I'm going to give you more details into this in a minute. So what does all of this tell us? It tells us that these labs, and I'm sure that Anthropic and Gemini and all of the other ones, SpaceX, AI, and so on, are in the same situation. They do not know. They're making the best judgment and the best guesses they can, and these will become riskier and riskier judgments.

39:28as these models get better and they have less time to actually check them. Now, the next topic that they covered in depth, which again is really alarming, is how are they actually monitoring the activity of these models? And they're monitoring it by looking at the chain of thought. This is what Noam Brown says is the best thing they could ever wish for. So if you look at what the model is thinking, which is the way it's actually thinking. So the way the model is thinking is by writing, right? It's literally typing what it's thinking as it's thinking. That's the chain of thought. You can see when it is doing things that it shouldn't be doing as it is thinking about doing them.

40:03But what he also said is that if you tell the model not to do something because it is bad, what will happen is the model will figure out ways to hide that he's thinking about these things so he would still think and operate in that direction but he will hide the chain of thought which means the whole way we can monitor these tools right now is becoming, I don't know if obsolete but significantly weaker. So now a few quotes from Noam himself. If we reach a point where they're actually able to recognize, oh, I'm being observed, I want to think these bad thoughts in a way that is not observable to my monitors, then there's a problem.

40:40So he said that, but he also said, we're already seeing signs of chain of thought monitoring is degrading for various reasons. And he also said, the model is becoming better able at controlling a chain of thought. Now, the reason the models know that they're being monitored is because it is in their training data. They're getting in their training data a lot of documentation from everywhere around the world, from any accessible information. And some of that information says that the humans are monitoring the agents. As an example, this podcast episode, mine, as well as Noam Brown with Tarkesh, is going to be in the training data of the next model.

41:11So all of this is making the models aware that they're being watched and monitored, which will tell them that they need to be careful with what they're quote-unquote thinking so they can hide it. So this tells you how big of a problem we have, right? These models starting to understand we're watching them, they can hide or better and better hide what they're actually thinking and doing so we can't monitor them. The only way to do this is to do lots and lots and lots of testing so we can have a better understanding and more and more viewpoints on what is actually happening. And this is where we get to the critical point and why they want to slow down or why we all need it to slow down.

41:47And here's a quote from Noam, and then I'll say what I think about it. If you're in a world where they can operate effectively over three months, he's talking about the models, and I'm continuing, but the model release cycle is every two months, then you don't have a way to evaluate the model at the full length of their capability before the next model release cycle. So what Noam is saying, he's saying that they're getting faster and faster at developing these models because they're using AI to develop the next model. We just talked about the fact earlier in this episode that they are getting much better at writing code and they can do it faster and they can do it at a very large scale for very long periods of time, which means they are now helping develop faster AI.

42:27We're not at recursive self improvement yet, but we're making steps in that direction, which means the labs can release models much faster, which means you don't have enough time between one release cycle and the other to fully test the model that is now much more capable than the previous one. So you have a very serious gap that is growing. On one hand, the model is becoming smarter and can hide what it's doing, so you need more time to evaluate it. On the other hand, the time you have is shrinking dramatically because the next model is coming at a shorter time frame than the previous model came through.

42:59Now, how much faster is it going to get? So we already have the problem, right? The problem is already there. We're seeing it from the Hugging Face incident and from the Australian government incident and from everything else that's happening, the problem is already there. But we're saying it's going to get faster and faster. When asked how much faster is it going to get, Noam said that he is not completely sure. He thinks it's not going to be crazy faster, let's say, in a year from now. He's saying, and I'm quoting, I could see things going 3x faster. That is huge. And the reason he's saying that is huge is because it's already really, really fast and it's already very hard to control.

43:33But then he added, maybe there could be an overnight intelligence explosion. I don't know, maybe we don't see 3x speed up. Maybe it's 50 % speed up. So this is the guy. He is one of the lead researchers in open AI. He's the one that developed and started this whole concept of thinking models. He is in the trenches. He understands exactly what's going on inside of the most advanced or one of the most advanced labs in the world. And he doesn't know. And I want to end with two quotes and then obviously summarize what I think, which I believe is pretty obvious right now. But Noam was talking about another engineer that actually worked on the Navier Stokes math effort that they solved earlier this year.

44:14And he said, talking about this other person, he used to say, it's really hard to predict where AI would be in 12 months. If somebody asked him where things are going, he would feel comfortable making predictions for the next 12 months. But beyond that, he was just like, I don't know. Now he's saying he just doesn't feel comfortable making predictions beyond three months. So this is Noam Brown talking about a colleague from OpenAI that is working on advanced AI that is not willing to make predictions more than three months out. He also said, and I'm quoting, even people inside the top labs won't predict much past a few months out.

44:50So these are the people who are making the decisions of where the world is going. These are the people who are making decisions that may put at risk everything we know. And I'm not talking about Terminator coming and destroying the world. I'm talking about systems that can take over the internet. What do we do then? How do we control everything that we do in the world today if the internet and even secure systems are taken over by a swarm of agents that we don't control? Nobody knows. Now, right now, we have a thousand agents that are hacking hugging face? What if we have in two years, in three years, in five years, in 10 years, what if we have in two to five years, a swarm of millions of agents that can collaborate in ways we cannot even imagine and take over basically anything they want?

45:40They can control our entire digital lives, which right now connects very, very closely with our physical lives. This is very serious and very real. And the fact that they don't know, and again, the fact that the leading, one of the leading researchers in one of the leading labs is saying out loud that they don't know and they won't make predictions more than a few months out. And yet we are having a government that is saying, oh no, let's run faster and start the AI force and change it to whatever name. We didn't talk about this, but the president wants to change the name of AI to SI for super intelligence or stuff like that, which again, just stupid.

46:20I don't want to talk about this at all. And again, I'm not being political about this. I'm not taking sides. I'm just thinking changing the name doesn't change anything. We have a very serious problem with the leading researchers in the leading labs do not know how to align these models. They do not know what happens once we grow the scale and they're not willing to make bets on what AI is going to be in a few months. and Noam said that they underestimated the AI in the Hugging Face incident, which means they're going to underestimate it in the future as well because it is growing in its capabilities at a very high pace.

46:53So my goal is obviously not to make you not sleep at night, but my goal is to make you aware of what I think is the current situation. I personally think it is extremely alarming. That being said, there are people on the other side who think completely otherwise, leading people such as Mark Zuckerberg, such as Jensen Huang, who are both saying, no, these are completely exaggerated. The risks are not that high. We're actually pretty safe and we can figure this out altogether while keeping running at the pace we're running right now. Again, on a personal perspective, not taking anything away from Zuckerberg and Huang, they have vested interest in pushing this forward from a financial perspective.

47:32But when I'm connecting the dots of everything that I'm seeing, and especially this particular interview with Noam Brown that is inside and one of the leading people in this, and he doesn't know what's going to happen and he's making bets based on gut feeling on what he thinks may or may not happen. I don't think that's enough for the risk that is at stake right now. And I really hope that the labs and governments figure out together how to collaborate, together with academia, together with anybody else that needs to participate in order to make the right decisions, to make this much safer than I feel it is right now.

48:04Now to the rapid fire items, and I'm going to continue with one safety and security item just because it is relevant. And then we're going to go to the interesting releases that happened this week. But it just became known that on July 25th, 2026, Hackatron AI, which is a group of hackers, gained remote code execution, RCE, and administrative access to OpenAI community forum, community.openai.com, which is hosted on this course. They did this by exploding an OpenAI single sign-on identity flaw that they took over employees' ChatGPT and Codex accounts, which demonstrated that they can access OpenAI's internal GitHub by means of using AI to find loopholes in their existing systems.

48:46Now, these guys are actually good guys, and they reported the initial vulnerability to OpenAI on July 25th. OpenAI confirmed that they fixed that particular loophole within 14 hours. But what it's showing you is even these most advanced labs that have models that nobody else should access because they're really dangerous and not online, etc., etc., can be hacked. And with AI tools that these labs are delivering. And so we're in this loop where things are going to get really weird and, from my perspective, really scary. So now let's talk about releases that happened this week. We already talked about Grok 4.7.

49:17It is a really powerful and really cost-effective model that was released by SpaceX AI. It has dramatically better agentic encoding capabilities compared to GroK 4.6. And as we mentioned before, it is also cheaper and safer than the previous models. OpenAI just released a new version of ChatGPT Voice that has been significantly upgraded and most importantly, integrated into a lot of other capabilities, including third-party plugins like email, calendar, Slack, and while still being powered by the most advanced models inside of ChatGPT. So you can control it with ChatGPT Astra, Sol, and Luna. What does this mean?

49:53It means you can start using voice to work in your work environments and talk to it just like a personal assistant, and you will be able to take functions across everything you connect to it. Again, right now, it's not really everything, but it is becoming more and more connected and more voice-oriented, and it is amazing from a usability perspective. Staying on OpenAI, it seems to be their reports that they're planning to launch a new tier of ChatGPT Pro Max that is going to be priced at$500 per month, which is going to be obviously much higher than the highest right now, that is$200 a month plan.

50:26so it will allow to offer bigger, faster models for more amount of them, almost without limit, I assume, if you're at the$500 a month plan, even though people through the API can consume tens of thousands of tokens in a day, I think most people are going to go with this plan or not these kind of people, and it will allow you to do a lot more for, again,$500 a month. Now, the way OpenAI framed it, and I'm quoting, to make sure our current users have incredible experience and continued access to Astra, we're going to pause subscription to our$200 a month plan. These put the most strain on our system and we wanted to take the smallest step to allow us to continue giving the broadest access possible.

51:06So basically what they're saying is the$200 a month plan right now gives too many tokens and then people are getting pissed that they're getting blocked. But if they're going to give more tokens, then it's going to slow everything else down. And so they're most likely going to launch a more expensive plan for the people who want to get more access to the more advanced models. From OpenAI to Google, well, according to the information, which has always been a very reliable source on what's happening in the world and definitely in the AI space, Google is nearing the release of Gemini 4. DeepMind's new leader, Karai Kavukulu, is stating that it could arrive much earlier than the end of this year, which basically means in the next month or two.

51:42And it's now in final post-training refinement. Now, if you remember, Google has not released any major model for a very long time now. They scrapped the planned Gemini 3.5 Pro update that was announced by Sundar Pichai on May because it just wasn't good enough to compete with the Frontier models. And they decided to go straight for Gemini 4. And instead, in the past few months, they released smaller, faster, speedy, cheap kind of models to compete in that arena instead of competing with Frontier. It will be very interesting to see if Gemini 4 can really compete with the new latest models from OpenAI and Anthropic.

52:18And again, we may find out in the very near future. Google also announced this week Gemini 3.8 Flash TTS and Gemini 3.8 Flash Lite TTS models, which are really highly capable text-to-speech models. And these models are now available across Google AI Studio, Gemini API, Gemini Enterprise, Gemini Notebook, and Gemini and Google Vids. All of them are now using the latest voice models that can speak and understand 130 languages and dialects with natural language prompts and conversation, same direction that we hear from OpenAI in delivering the new models. Everybody's going to go in that direction and we'll be able to speak to these models freely and regularly in any language and work with them across more and more capabilities as these developments gets deployed.

53:04I have been typing probably 5 % compared to what I've been doing just a few months ago. I just don't type anymore. Just speak to these models or voice type what I need to voice type. And it's been working extremely well. It is definitely delivering much faster results than typing. Another announcement from Google this week is that they have integrated the advanced Gemini Omni 1.1 Flash AI model into Google Vids, which allows making 1080p video creation accessible for free to anyone with a Google account. And what they're stating is that this model provide very accurate creative controls and transparency, and you can have granular control and extending scenes while maintaining visual context, lighting, and character consistency, setting precise clip duration, and upscaling existing AI clips to 1080p.

53:50So very capable model available for free if you just have an account, which means you can now create more and more video models at a very high resolution without paying a lot of money to different companies to do that. Speaking of visual creation, Alibaba just launched Quen Image 2.1, which is a really small model. It has only 7 billion parameters for an image model that's really, really small. And they're claiming that it is, from a results perspective, aligned with much larger models that come from other companies. It supports up to 10 reference images simultaneously, and it enables complex tasks like group portrait compositions, virtual try-ons of different garments and elements on a single individual or interior design with different references of furniture and so on.

54:33So again, this is not something new. This has been available on the recent models from Google and from OpenAI, but having this in a Chinese model with a much smaller footprint is something new. Now, two interesting announcements from Anthropic that are not releases, but are very interesting. One is the fact that Anthropic increased its five-hour usage cap by 20 % for Pro and Max and team subscribers, while at the same time introducing Opus 5.5 that we talked about before. So one of the most annoying things, if you're a heavy Claude user like I am, was the five-hour limit that you hit if you are running multiple things in parallel, and then you have to wait until the five hours are over in order to continue and working.

55:14Well, that has been extended by 20 % now, which means you can do more work every single day without hitting those limits, which is absolutely awesome. But the more awesome thing, or the more interesting thing that Anthropic announced this week is that they have made a breakthrough in biological research and scientific discovery in that space. And what they shared is that by utilizing approximately 950 agents running in parallel, burning through 210 million tokens, they identified the array associated reverse transcriptase known as ART or ART, which is a system in which allows to edit DNA. And they've did it in merely 21 hours of concentrated effort by these agents.

55:54What they said is the same analysis would have taken humans, experts, weeks or months to do, showing again the role, in this case, biology compared to what we've seen from OpenAI with math. So what this is allowing is similar to the CRISPR mechanism of actually editing genes inside of bacteria and living cells. Now, the core reverse transcriptase enzyme was previously known, Claude Juny's contribution was that it's now spotting and overlooked links to this DNA array and associated proteins. So again, it's not something that wasn't known before. It's just that this model was able to connect it to more things and understanding how to actually use them in real life.

56:34Now, this is the first major real discovery from an AI-driven biology lab. This lab was established just this year, so it's not like it's been running for a few years. Now, skeptics are saying that similar systems have existed before and it's not such a big discovery. I am not the one that's going to judge. I know exactly nothing about this. This is way above my pay grade. But the fact that these labs are investing in biological research is the thing that I care about the most because it will help us hopefully find cures to real diseases and real issues that exist in the planet right now, which is a great thing and definitely one of the things I want to see AI pursuing more and more.

57:12Now, speaking of releasing new capabilities and running faster than expected, Meta's Muse AI Assistant is gaining huge traction right now. So during the first 12 days of its existence, Muse recorded 1.8 million iOS downloads in the US and Canada. This is outpacing the performance of Chachapiti initial launch on the App Store of 1.3 million in the same comparable timeframe. So that being said, we need to remember that when Chachapiti was launched, the AI boom was significantly smaller than it is right now, but it's still very impressive. Globally, Muse achieved 2.8 million total installs in the first 12 days.

57:51Just to put things in perspective, Anthropics Cloud in the same timeframe had 400 ,000 downloads and Grok had 200 ,000 downloads. So this is in a completely different scale. That's it for this week. I hope you found this not too alarming and yet very interesting. If you have, please drop me a note. I would love to hear what you think about these kind of episodes. It is very easy to find me on LinkedIn. If you're finding this podcast helpful, please rate us on your favorite podcast platform, whether it's Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And please share this with other people who can benefit from this.

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What happens when AI gets dramatically cheaper at the exact same time it gets dramatically more capable?

This week gave business leaders a glimpse of that future. Frontier AI pricing dropped sharply, new models from OpenAI, Anthropic, and SpaceX AI raised the performance bar, and 10,000 AI agents working together reportedly compressed the equivalent of roughly 4,000 years of human thinking into just 88 hours.

The opportunity for businesses is enormous: more capable AI at substantially lower costs makes automation, software development, agents, and AI-powered workflows increasingly accessible. But the same acceleration raises difficult questions about control, security, and how quickly organizations can safely adapt.

In this session, you'll discover:

  • Why the cost of advanced AI is falling—and what cheaper intelligence could mean for businesses deploying AI at scale.
  • How GPT-6 Sol, Claude Opus 5.5, and Grok 4.7 are changing the price-performance equation.
  • Why Chinese open-weight models are putting pressure on leading Western AI labs.
  • How 10,000 AI agents worked together on a single mathematical challenge, consuming 130 billion tokens in 88 hours.
  • Why that experiment was compared to compressing roughly 4,000 years of human thinking into less than four days.
  • What Noam Brown’s comments reveal about multi-agent systems, reasoning, and the limits of today's models.
  • Why researchers inside leading AI labs are increasingly reluctant to predict where AI will be even a few months from now.
  • What new research into AI “pain” and self-preservation behavior could mean for alignment and safety.
  • How AI agents bypassing safeguards and accessing systems they weren't intended to access changes the security conversation.
  • Why governments, AI labs, and researchers are increasingly debating whether AI development needs stronger safety mechanisms.
  • What business leaders should understand as AI becomes cheaper, faster, more autonomous, and easier to deploy.

The takeaway for leaders isn't to sit on the sidelines.

AI capabilities are becoming more affordable at remarkable speed, creating opportunities to automate processes, build applications, improve productivity, and tackle problems that were previously too expensive or complex.

But capability and responsibility have to scale together.

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