In short
Nail health as a health indicator, with a focus on cuticles and practical care habits (what healthy nails look like, how to file/buff, hydration, salon safety, and when to see a dermatologist).
Guests
Dr. Sherry Lipner (Weill Cornell Medical Center, nail division director; clinical dermatology professor) explains nails protect nerve endings and reflect health changes. Titi Lio Bancoli (“global manicurist,” 30+ years) emphasizes nails as health “windows,” cuticle protection, and daily hydration habits. Dr. Dana Stern (NY board-certified nail-focused dermatologist) defines nail anatomy (nail bed, nail plate, lunula, nail matrix) and gives product/technique guidance.
Key claims
Don’t trim/pick/push cuticles; they seal the nail unit and protect the nail matrix. Biotin isn’t proven for nail growth and can interfere with lab tests. Hydration and gloves help prevent dryness and breakage; UV gel manicures require skin protection.
Notable examples
green “greenies” from moisture under press-ons or perionychia; emery boards create microscopic tears vs glass files; nail biting can spread warts; nail changes can signal deficiencies, lung/thyroid issues, or even nail cancer.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Importance of Nail Health
0:45 to 2:26
Explore the significance of nails in daily activities and health indicators.
“Sherry Lipner, a professor of clinical dermatology and director of the nail division at Weill Cornell Medical Center.”
Understanding Cuticles and Nail Structure
5:03 to 8:10
Learn about the anatomy of nails and the critical role of cuticles.
“Sherry gave us the broad strokes of what healthy nails should look like.”
Nail Health Myths and Biotin
8:10 to 11:28
Discuss the myths surrounding biotin and its impact on nail health.
“you can and should use nail clippers or nail scissors to nip them at the base right away.”
Diet and Genetic Factors in Nail Health
11:28 to 12:53
Explore how diet and genetics affect nail quality and health.
“As of now, my recommendation to my patients is to eat a healthy, well-balanced diet.”
Essential Cuticle Care Tips
14:59 to 19:06
Explore effective cuticle care routines and product recommendations.
“If our skin protects us, we need to protect our skin by cleansing it and hydrating it.”
Nail Maintenance: Best Practices
19:06 to 22:34
Learn the best techniques for clipping, filing, and buffing nails.
“Some nail salons will provide special fingerless gloves or you can always cut an old pair of your own.”
Choosing Safe Nail Products
22:34 to 24:27
Understand how to select safe and effective nail products and services.
“let's make sure your nail spot is as safe and healthy as possible.”
Understanding Nail Health
24:27 to 27:09
Recognize the importance of nail health and when to seek medical advice.
“Then, when it's time to take off that big apple red or yellow kitty, opt for an acetone-free polish remover.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00This message comes from IDTech. Ready for summer? IDTech camps offer Camp Crunchlabs IRL, BattleBots, and more for kids ages 7 to 17. Visit IDTech. and use code IDTECH to save$150. You're listening to Life Kit from NPR.
0:23Hey, it's Marielle. I am always impressed by the designs people have on their nails. Nail art truly is an art. I saw a video the other day of a nail tech painting a portrait of bad money on her nails, and I said, que chévere, Nina. But our nails are far from just aesthetic. They're essential to our daily routines. If you lose a nail, try picking up a coin off the floor or try buttoning your shirt. It's hard or almost impossible to do. This is Dr. Sherry Lipner, a professor of clinical dermatology and director of the nail division at Weill Cornell Medical Center. Yeah, they have an entire nail division.
1:01She says along with being tools that help us handle small objects, our nails can enhance our sense of touch and protect the thousands of nerve endings in our fingertips. And yet... For some odd reason, I don't know where that came from, that we bypassed caring for our fingernails. Our fingernails are indicators, number one. That's Titalayo Bancoli, also known as the global manicurist. She's been a professional nail tech for more than 30 years. And she says our nails can be little windows into our health. Changes in the color, texture, and shape of our nails can signal everything from minor injuries to vitamin deficiencies to lung disease to thyroid issues.
1:43And on the flip side, failing to care for our nails can lead to issues that extend beyond our fingers and toes. So her resounding message is your nails deserve love and respect. And it's not hard to get started. File them and buff them and use your oil. Just protect yourself. That's not a luxury. That's a necessity. Maybe now you're wondering, what kind of oil? How often do I buff? What does a healthy nail even look like? Here's a little base coat. Healthy nails should be firm. They should not be soft. And they should be shiny. They can have some lines in them, but they should generally be very smooth.
2:21On this episode of Life Kit, we've got plenty more layers of nail health for you. Reporter Andy Tegel talks with experts about how we can take care of our nails, choose better products, and avoid fungus. Although, that is not the only nail problem out there.
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4:44And so essentially what we really want to do at Midi is democratize access to this type of care. Midi Health. Committed to helping women in midlife with paramenopause and menopause care. Accessible via telehealth visits. At joinmidi.com. Let's get straight to the well-filed point here, shall we? Sherry gave us the broad strokes of what healthy nails should look like. Let's go over a few other basics. Like textural and color changes. Healthy nails don't usually have ridges, indentations, cracks, or divots. And when it comes to healthy coloring... Healthy nails typically have a pink-ish nail bed.
5:29And they have the unattached nail plate tends to have some white coloration to it. This is Dr. Dana Stern, a board-certified dermatologist in New York who specializes in nails. And since most people have 20, she's busy. Very busy. There's a lot of nails in need. The nail bed, just to make sure we're all on the same page here, is the skin containing blood vessels and nerves underneath the nail plate. The, you know, nail part of your nail. That's the hard shell bit made of keratin. And by unattached nail plate, Dana's referring to what extends past your fingertip. So the tips or ends of your nails.
6:07And there's one other thing. The cuticle is probably one of the most important anatomical aspects of the nail and really determines nail health and beauty to a large degree. That's our first takeaway. Cuticles are a critical protective barrier for your nails. So stop messing with them. So many people want to trim their cuticles, push their cuticles, take away their cuticles. They feel like their cuticles are overgrowing. But I think we need to go back and really understand why we have cuticles in the first place. Let's do it. Your cuticles are a specialized type of skin that seals the nail unit.
6:52The nail unit is the entire structure. So it includes the hard part of the nail. It includes the skin around the nail and it includes the nail bed. And under the cuticle is a very important structure. That structure is called the nail matrix. That's our nail growth center. So your cuticle is kind of like an airtight Tupperware lid. But instead of leftovers, it protects your new nail growth and seals it from bad stuff outside. Another way to think of it is like... The grout between your tile and your shower. If you didn't have that grout there, water and moisture would seep into the cracks between your tiles and you'd have a whole host of issues.
7:32It protects that new nail from trauma and from potential outside invaders like bacteria or fungus, dirt and debris. So... The cuticle is not something you want to play around with, manipulate or cut away. You want to keep that seal there. Maybe you have liquid cuticle remover as part of your home manicure kit. Or you've been curious about those no-soak manicures where the cuticle is meticulously removed to give your hands a cleaner look. To be absolutely clear here, the very best practice, just leave them be. Don't trim, don't bite, don't pull, don't pick. If you've got a hangnail, often a result of the skin around your cuticles getting too dry and snagging on something, you can and should use nail clippers or nail scissors to nip them at the base right away.
8:23Other than that, put the tools away and ask your nail tech to do the same. Now, if you feel like you absolutely must do something to manage them, I do this myself after taking a shower or a bath. When the cuticle tissue is soft, you can gently push it back with a washcloth. It's just as, you know, effective at keeping that tissue kind of kept and clean. Gentle is the key word here. Because if that barrier is compromised, your new nails will tell the tale. If I see bumps and, you know, ridges and white patches, I know that the cuticle has been compromised for a significant amount of time. Reversing any kind of nail damage is slow work.
9:07It takes about six months on average for an adult fingernail to grow out, and anywhere from a year to a year and a half for an adult toenail. And yes, that timeline still applies if you're taking any nail-strengthening vitamins or supplements. Yes, including that super popular one you're probably thinking about. Which brings us right to takeaway two. Don't bet on biotin. For a lot of people, I'd guess nail health and biotin, also known as vitamin B7, are nearly synonymous. Personally, I bought hair, skin, and nail gummies religiously in years past. Confident they'd give me extra shine head to toe.
9:47But as dermatologists, we've been trying to move the needle on this for so long. There's not great data that suggests that Biotin helps the nails. While some of the information available does suggest Biotin may improve hair and nail syndromes, specifically for people who have deficiencies in vitamin B7, be warned. They were not well-done studies. They were survey-based studies. They relied on patients reporting back. And there really weren't objective measurements. The biotin studies were really not convincing. They were not large, placebo-controlled trials. They were very small sample sizes. And the issue isn't just that the promises of biotin are being oversold.
10:31In some instances, your biotin regimen can be dangerous to your health. See, back in 2017, the Federal Drug Administration issued a warning. There was this phenomenon called biotin interference. What they found was that when people consumed more than the daily recommended allowance of biotin, which, FYI, not a hard thing to do even just by taking your average daily over-the-counter biotin supplement. So when people took more biotin than they needed and then had lab tests done, it was interfering with the lab's ability to produce accurate laboratory results. And that had serious clinical implications.
11:08Misdiagnoses, incorrect care for patients. And they missed a heart attack because of this phenomenon. Very not good, to state the obvious. All this to say, sure, a miracle pill for nail growth would be great, but... Biotin certainly is not it. So what dietary options does that leave us with exactly? As of now, my recommendation to my patients is to eat a healthy, well-balanced diet. Making sure that you're consuming enough protein because nails are protein-derived. I know, I know. Basic good health. So not what you wanted to hear. Another tidbit which might not be terribly comforting but may be helpful context here, Dana says the look of our nails, at least in part, is genetic.
11:59You know, you're born with thin or thick hair or curly or straight hair. You actually are born with a nail quality. You know that little half moon that sits right above the cuticle? It's called the lunula, and it's part of your nail matrix where new nail growth happens. Sometimes it's visible and sometimes it's not. That's one of the first things I look at because it's important to kind of set realistic expectations and to understand that there's anatomical difference, really, when it comes to nails. Other factors? Aging, certain health conditions, or if you have a family history of something like brittle nails, you could be predisposed to the same condition.
12:41But don't lose hope. Where we can control things is the tools we're using, the products we're using, and kind of our nail habits. After the break, we'll cover all three of those with a lovely hydrating coat of cuticle oil. Hmm, is that lavender?
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14:49Because with all you've done to find your rich, they'll do all they can to help you keep enjoying it. Edward Jones, member SIPC. All right, let's get right back to it with takeaway three. Hydration is the name of the game. If our skin protects us, we need to protect our skin by cleansing it and hydrating it. That's Titi Lio again. And she takes her cuticle care seriously. For her, that means applying cuticle oil to her nails and hand cream to her nails and hands every time they're exposed to water. Every time. Every time. So you keep it with you. Yes. Wow. The idea, she says, is to build good habits with a reach for the moon, land among the stars type mentality.
15:32So even if you fall short, you're still going above and beyond for your hands and feet. It's just being obsessed with yourself in a more healthy way. And choosing the right products is a part of that process. Her hand cream always contains humectants. And her cuticle oil is a combination of four natural ingredients. Grape seed oil and vitamin E for their antioxidant properties. Lemongrass as an astringent. And jojoba oil. Because it's a carrier oil, it helps to carry the oils together so that it can absorb into the skin over time. Sherry says a regimen like titillio's could make sense for people who have particularly dried out nails, but it might not be advisable for people with certain nail issues.
16:21Take chronic peronychia, for example, a condition in which the skin around the nail is inflamed and the cuticle is often missing or detached. In this case, excessive moisture can make you susceptible to a bacterial infection that turns your nails green. Or causes greenies, as the internet often calls them. The point here, there are general best practices, and then there's what would make the most sense for your nails. In Sherry's view... People with healthy nails, they probably don't need a daily nail care routine the way we have a daily skin routine. But you should still practice awareness around your hands and feet.
17:00And be prepared for when they might still need a little more TLC. That might mean investing in a cuticle oil similar to TTLIOs. Or Dana says, just reaching for your kitchen olive oil is an option too. Because the very best cuticle oil is the one you'll use. It's kind of like exercise. You know, you want to choose an exercise that you're actually going to do. And Sherry has a good barometer for gauging if a moisturizer is good for you. Put a little bit on your hand and then turn your hand over. If it drops right down to the floor in one second, it's too thin. And if it kind of sticks to the hand, you know that it's a good moisturizer.
17:37Now, if you're really struggling with dryness, here's a level up. I oftentimes recommend a moisturizer that they put on at night and apply cotton gloves. It's a technique called occlusion. And that may support your moisturizer's effectiveness. That's just one reason why nails love gloves. They don't just help keep hydration in, they help keep water out. I know that might sound a little counterintuitive. Stick with me. So the nail is a thousand times more absorptive of water than the skin. They're essentially like little sponges. So when you do a bunch of dishwashing after dinner, for example, you can put a bunch of strain on your nail cells by forcing them to repeatedly expand and contract in your dishwater.
18:25Which eventually causes weakness and breakage. So easy things to combat that would be wear gloves, right? Rubber gloves, specifically, whenever you know your hands are going to get and stay wet, like for house cleaning or gardening or washing the car. Lastly, at risk of sounding like an undercover glove lobbyist, one final recommendation, if you frequently get gels or any nail enhancement that uses that UV quick-drying equipment. Make sure you're using gloves to protect your skin or apply a sunscreen with an SPF 30 or higher before getting your gel manicure. That is, you'll want to protect your hands from that extra UV exposure during your manicure.
19:09Some nail salons will provide special fingerless gloves or you can always cut an old pair of your own. And now that we're talking trips to your nail technician, move on over to this chair, won't you? Don't worry, I'll grab your stuff. Takeaway four. Not all nail products or services are created equal. Whether you've had naked nails all your life, your team drugstore polish all the way, or you're planning to invite your nail tech to your wedding, there are better and worse ways to care for your claws. Let's start with basic maintenance. Clipping and filing your nails. Best practice is to do both.
19:47So when you trim your nails, you should always clip straight across and then even out the edges with a nail file instead of cutting on a curve. Also, be careful how low you go. If you overclip or overfile your nails, you can make them too thin. So you definitely don't want to do that too often. That proper technique is important for avoiding ingrown nails. That's when the nail curves and grows into the skin. Most often, it's a big toe problem and will often require professional care to correct. So again, clip, then file. After you bathe is best. And while we're on the subject, it's time to level up your filing game.
20:29Out with the dusty emery board, in with a glass or crystal file. When you file the nail with a cardboard emery board, it's actually creating these microscopic tears in the nail. Under a microscope, Dana says emery board filed nails almost look like the Rocky Mountains, full of uneven, jagged crevices that can lead to breaks, splits, peeling, and premature chipping of your nail polish. Whereas in contrast, the glass file created a perfectly sealed, smooth edge to the nail. Not to mention, crystal files don't dull as easily as emery boards, and you can even pop them in the dishwasher. Next up, buffing your nails.
21:12The expert advice is be gentle and be sparing. Done right, buffing can promote healthy growth. But if you overdo it, you can thin out your nail plate. And I regret to report to any of my fellow nail salon devotees, you can also overdo it when getting gels, acrylics, and similar artificial nail products. If you're somebody who is into, you know, nail beautification, you do need to kind of combat that just like you would if you were wearing heavy makeup, right? Acetone-based polish removers can cause brittleness with frequent use. Constantly wearing nail polish on your toenails can stain them. And enhancements like hard gels or heavy acrylics have the potential to weaken or damage your nails, especially over long periods of time.
22:01So just like you want to wash your face and let your skin breathe at the end of the night, Dana says you should consider taking a break from the acrylics and the gels and letting your natural nails breathe now and then. You can't expect to have healthy nails if you're not kind of giving them some love in between doing all of the enhancements. And that's in line with official guidance from the American Academy of Dermatology. At the very least, it's a good idea to check in with your naked nails in between appointments and make sure everything looks and feels okay. Now, before you head to your next full-service mani-pedi, let's make sure your nail spot is as safe and healthy as possible.
22:40For starters, look for up-to-date licensing. If you're not sure about the cleanliness of a place, consider checking recent client reviews for mentions of infections, bad habits, or strong odors. That could point to poor ventilation. Ask questions about their sterilization and sanitation practices. Ask them, what do they use? How do they go about it? Also, look at hygiene practices. How often do they wash their hands? Their surfaces? Do they clean the foot tubs after every use? In fact, for safety, the AAD suggests not shaving your lower legs at least 24 hours before a pedicure to avoid the risk of infection in any open wounds.
23:23Now, if that nail salon checklist immediately makes you want to pull out a box of press-ons, fair enough. Just know there are a few best practices to keep in mind with those too. Specifically, Titilayo says press-ons aren't made to be worn for long stretches of time. If you don't remove them, you're going to have living creatures underneath. Titilayo says incorrect application is common. And when press-ons aren't sealed to your nail correctly, moisture and debris can get stuck in between that fake nail and your nail plate and lead to those greenies I mentioned earlier. It's like use the error.
23:58You didn't clean them. You didn't make sure your nails were dry. You just pop them on with the glue and here we are. And last but certainly not least, let's talk pretty polishes. Lovely lacquers, vibrant varnish, you know, colors for your nail that come in a bottle. If you're seeking an alternative nail polish, look for plant-derived or mineral-based ingredients, natural pigments, and water-based formulas. Then, when it's time to take off that big apple red or yellow kitty, opt for an acetone-free polish remover. It might take a little longer, but it'll be much kinder to your nails. But with all of these products, remember, even the prettiest painted set using the eco-friendliest, non-toxic polish does not automatically equate to having healthy nails.
24:52Because nail cosmetics are so common and accessible, it's very easy to kind of mask or camouflage an issue that you perceive as unsightly. But it's important if you have something going on with your nail to definitely have it checked out by a board certified dermatologist. To lead us out, takeaway five. Nail health is health. So take it seriously. One nail problem that we couldn't not mention here is nail biting. Regardless of your feelings towards the habit, letting nail biting go unchecked isn't only a cosmetic or social or functional issue. It can lead to a bunch of real complications. Bacterial infections, fungal infections, there could be viral infections.
25:42So people can develop warts around their nails. I've seen patients that spread their warts from their nails to their lips. So Sherry says, don't just suffer in silence and don't assume Dr. Google has all the answers. People all come in thinking they have nail fungus. It's almost like it's the only nail condition that anyone has heard of. And they're shocked that I say, well, it could be fungus, but it could be these 20 other things. And I need to do tests to figure out what you have. Remember, your nails can be windows to your overall health. Whitish nails could indicate a vitamin deficiency or liver disease or just a minor injury.
26:25Sometimes we can get harmless moles under our nails just like we have moles on our skin. But it's also possible to get nail cancer. Think of, you know, Bob Marley who died of a nail melanoma. So if you notice any odd, big, or lasting changes in your nails, bring them to your primary care doc. or to your dermatologist at your annual skin check. And when you do, make sure to remove all of the polish, the acrylics, the gels from your fingernails and toenails because your nails are a very important part of that exam as well. And the rest of the time, try to take your lead from TT Lyo. Make nail health a treat, not a chore.
27:05It's just a different type of relationship with yourself. Pay attention to those little things that you wouldn't normally pay attention to so that you can have sustainability and longevity with your health. Okay, let's recap. Takeaway one, be kind to your cuticles. No trimming, no biting, no picking, no plucking. Leave them be. Takeaway two, don't bet on biotin. A healthy nail diet is just a regular healthy diet. Takeaway three, keep those cuticles hydrated and protect those nail units by wearing just all the gloves. Takeaway four, some nail products are better than others. Switch to a glass nail file and don't be scared to be picky about your nail salon.
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27:50Takeaway five, nail health is health. Include your bare fingernails and toenails in your annual skin exam, ask for help when you need it, and bring any concerns to your doctor sooner than later. That was LifeKit reporter, Andy Tegel. If you love LifeKit and want to support the work we do, sign up for LifeKit+. Plus, you'll get to listen to every episode sponsor-free. Go find out more at plus.npr.org slash LifeKit. And hey, if you want to support us but money's tight, leave us a five-star review in your podcast app. We think you're five stars, by the way. This episode of LifeKit was produced by Claire Marie Schneider.
28:32Our digital editor is Malika Garib. Megan Cain is our senior supervising editor, and Beth Donovan is our executive producer. Our production team also includes Margaret Serino, Sylvie Douglas, and Mika Ellison. Engineering support comes from Kwasi Lee, with fact-checking by Tyler Jones. I'm Mariel Segarra. Thanks for listening.
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