How to take a refreshing nap (without ending up more tired)

20 Oct 2025 · 21 min

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Podcast Summary: Life Kit - How to Take a Refreshing Nap (Without Ending Up More Tired)

Episode Overview In this episode of Life Kit, host Marielle Segarra explores the art of napping with experts, emphasizing the benefits and techniques for effective napping. Listeners are introduced to sleep psychologist Jade Wu and sleep physician Seema Khosla, who provide insights into the science of sleep and the right way to nap.

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Key Concepts and Discussions

  1. Importance of Napping
  2. Benefits of Napping:
  3. Emotional Regulation: Naps can help reduce bias towards negative stimuli and enhance cognitive flexibility.
  4. Memory Enhancement: Learning and memory retention can improve after a nap.
  5. Physical Performance: Athletes benefit from naps, experiencing increased stamina and power.
  • Natural Body Rhythm: Humans have evolved to experience a natural dip in energy, making midday naps beneficial.
  1. Defining the Nap
  2. What Counts as a Nap?:
  3. No universal definition; generally considered a short sleep period outside regular nighttime sleep.
  4. Naps should be supplemental, not replacements for nightly sleep.
  1. Napping Needs and Individual Variability
  2. Distinguishing Sleepiness from Tiredness:
  3. Sleepy: Heavy eyelids, yawning, ready to sleep.
  4. Tired: Lack of motivation, anxiety, or dehydration—may not need a nap.
  • Not Everyone Needs to Nap: Some individuals are wired to only sleep at night, making daytime naps unnecessary.
  1. Techniques for Effective Naps
  2. C.E.B. Method: A guideline for better napping:
  3. Consistent: Nap at the same time every day.
  4. Early: Aim for naps between noon and 3 PM, or at least six hours before nighttime sleep.
  5. Brief: Limit naps to 20-30 minutes to avoid sleep inertia—feeling groggy after waking up.
  1. Avoiding Sleep Sabotage
  2. Caffeine Awareness: Be mindful of caffeine consumption as it can disrupt nighttime sleep.
  3. Sleep Environment: Create a conducive nap environment with minimal distractions.
  4. Consistent Sleep Schedule: Keeping regular sleep hours, even on weekends, helps maintain a healthy circadian rhythm.
  1. Daytime Rest Rituals
  2. Importance of Rest: Acknowledging the need for quiet time even if full napping isn't feasible.
  3. Relaxation Techniques: Engaging in light mindfulness practices can be as restorative as napping.

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Takeaways

  1. Naps are Supplementary: They should enhance, not replace, nighttime sleep.
  2. Recognize Personal Needs: Not everyone requires a nap; understanding your body is essential.
  3. Follow C.E.B. Guidelines: Consistency, timing, and brevity are key to effective napping.
  4. Stop Sleep Sabotage: Be intentional with caffeine and daily habits that affect sleep quality.
  5. Embrace Daytime Rest: Incorporate quiet periods into your day, which are vital for overall health.

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Conclusion The episode emphasizes the importance of understanding one’s own sleep needs and habits to optimize the benefits of napping. By following the outlined techniques and being aware of personal energy levels, listeners can enhance their overall well-being through effective rest practices.

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0:00You're listening to LifeKit from NPR. Hey, it's Mariel. Before we start the episode, I want to thank you for listening to LifeKit. And to ask you a favor. We'd love to know what you think about the podcast. Help us out. Tell us what you like and how we can improve by completing a short, anonymous survey at npr.org slash lifekitsurvey. We'll also have a link in our episode description. And thank you.

0:31so every time I take a nap it's the same routine you know I'm on my couch my eyes start closing and I decide screw it I'm going all in this nap may mess me up later but there is nowhere else in the world I'd rather be right now and it is happening I don't even set an alarm and then I wake up like four hours later feeling groggy, often a little sad and guilty for having slept so long so close to my bedtime. So look, it turns out we're actually wired to take some kind of break or rest during the day, which can include naps. Our body's internal clock, our circadian rhythm, is built to have these natural dips.

1:14Whether it's because the midday sun is too hot for us hunter-gatherers to, you know, be functioning at that time. For whatever reason, we evolved to have this little early afternoon dip. And if we sort of ride that dip and take our nap as we're feeling that, that's where we're going to get the most benefit out of it. Like go with your body instead of against your body. Jade Wu is a sleep medicine specialist and researcher based in North Carolina and the author of the book Hello Sleep. She says when done right, a nap can offer a lot of mental and emotional benefits. I like to call it kind of a performance-enhancing drug without the drug.

1:54It's good for our emotion regulation. It makes us less biased towards negative stimuli and more flexible in our thinking. And things that you learned before you went and took a nap are more solidly embedded in your brain after you wake up from the nap. And there are a ton of physical benefits, too. So athletes will often use a nap to really boost their performance, and they'll find that they have more power, you know, they have more stamina, they feel fatigue less quickly. So napping really can all around benefit our performance and our overall health. So, okay, this made me feel a lot better.

2:29But she says it's also true that there are right and wrong ways to nap. And, yeah, I think I'm doing it wrong. On this episode of Life Kit, reporter Andy Tegel talks to Jade and to a sleep physician on how and why to take better naps. They'll talk sleep science, ideal nap routines, and the importance of rest no matter when your head hits the pillow.

2:58Takeaway one, naps are supplemental sleep. Okay, to start fellow sleepyheads, let's quickly go over some basics. Like, what even counts as a nap? That's actually a more complicated question than you would think. There's not really a consensus definition. That's why sometimes you see on TikTok, people are like, oh, let's play a nap roulette. Is it going to be a 30-minute refresher or is it going to be a four-hour journey to the astral plane? Who knows? Again, that's sleep psychologist and researcher Jade Wu. A nap is, that's a good question. And that's Seema Khosla, a sleep medicine physician practicing in Fargo, North Dakota, and the host of Talking Sleep, a podcast from the American Academy of Sleep Medicine.

3:45I would think of a nap as a period of time where you're sleeping that is not at the same time as your regular sleep period. And the reason I phrase it that way is even though most of us sleep at night and we think about napping during the day, for our shift workers, they may be sleeping during the day and then may take a nap at night. Great point to start us off, Seema. Let's all keep that in mind moving forward. Jade, anything to add? So I don't want to make it seem like, oh, naps are so awesome that you should just take, you know, quick naps all day long and not worry about your nighttime sleep.

4:19Because nighttime sleep is still the bedrock of when you get your deep sleep and the restorative, continuous sleep that your body really needs. So I would start by prioritizing locking down nighttime sleep. And then on top of that, think of napping like a bonus. Got it. So just so we're all clear here, a nap should be a supplemental short period of sleep. An appetizer, or an appetizer if you will, to your full course sleep session. That combined should help you achieve the 7 to 9 hours of daily sleep recommended for most adults. Now why do we crave naps? Let's go back to that natural dip in energy.

5:00The timing of our sleep is based on two drives. The first is our homeostatic sleep drive, also known as sleep pressure, which builds from the moment you wake up until the moment you go to bed. The other is your circadian rhythm. You probably remember this from science class or any of the other many Great Life Kid episodes on sleep. But if not, here's a quick refresher. Your circadian system is a network of clocks, billions of clocks. Like most of your cells have clocks, your organ systems, your hormonal rhythms have clocks. Everything in your body runs on a clock. And all of these clocks are overseen by a master clock in your brain.

5:38And this master clock can do its job the best when it knows what time it is. And it can sort of keep time on a consistent rhythm. So all of our internal clocks have that natural dip in energy. But the thing is, everyone's rhythm is a little bit different. Which leads us to takeaway two. Naps are not for all. Yes, siestas are sweet, but they're not always the answer or always possible for everyone. So let's check in to make sure you even need a nap. Tell me, are you sleepy or are you tired? Tired and sleepy are due to different causes and therefore they require different cures. Sleepy is pretty straightforward.

6:21Your eyelids are heavy, you're yawning, you're like, oh yeah, I could fall asleep pretty quickly, pretty soon. But tired? Tired is everything else. Maybe you think you need a nap, but really you're just feeling unmotivated at work or fed up with your partner. Maybe you're anxious about finances or need a fresh air or more light, or maybe you're just dehydrated. When we make that distinction, then we know where to look for the cure. You know, do I need to drink more water or do I need to go take a nap? As is so often the case here at LifeKit, what it comes down to is simple. Just listen to your body.

6:59For me, my body is almost always calling for sleep. I hit a quick snooze just as often as I can. For others, naps might not be desired or even possible at all. Back to that internal clock. Not everybody has to nap and not everybody can nap. Some people's circadian rhythms just are so strongly tuned in such a way that, you know, just we do not sleep during the day. We only sleep when it's dark at night and that's perfectly fine. So maybe your internal master clock is set to run on a straight eight hours of sleep through the night. Or maybe you're more like me and are wound for a disco nap just about every day.

7:38Knowing what you are can help you plan accordingly. And that may change over time too. You know, our sleep needs, you know, in broad terms, we think seven to nine hours, but there's some variability and we've all experienced that where you sleep for 10 hours or 12 hours when you're not feeling well. Just as we, you know, sometimes if you haven't done a whole lot during the day, you haven't been really physically active or mentally active, maybe you don't need as much sleep that night. Now, it's important to note that there are also people who shouldn't take a nap. Like if you suffer from insomnia or other sleep disorders, experience poor quality sleep, at night or if you are somebody that struggles to fall asleep at night then perhaps avoiding the nap is the right advice for you so if you have any concerns about your sleep definitely consult your doctor before making changes to your sleep schedule now once you've taken stock and decided it is indeed nap o 'clock we'll move to takeaway three taking a great nap is as simple as c e b Ever woken up from a nap and felt more tired?

8:45And then sat up and been like, wait, what planet am I on? If you wake up from deep sleep, sometimes you feel almost drunk from sleep. The term that we use is called sleep inertia, where that sleep just follows you into wakefulness. Sleep inertia is a sign that you're overshooting your napping mark. That can slow you down in the short term and potentially sabotage your nighttime sleep in the long run. How do you avoid that? Keep these three simple parameters in mind. We want to be consistent and early and brief. Let's take each of those one by one. First up, C, consistent. I mean, not haphazardly, sometimes early, sometimes late, sometimes long, sometimes short.

9:31We want to be taking a leaf out of the Mediterranean cultures. If you're going to have a siesta, do it at the same time every day. Then there's E for early. Midday, early afternoon would be excellent. Jade suggests aiming for a nap between noon and 3 p.m. during the day. Or for the night owls and shift workers out there, usually we want you six hours or more before your larger sleep period. If you're going to take a nap, have it done by then. And finally, there's B for brief. This one might be painful if you're a fan of a long, leisurely afternoon snooze. but if you're taking a two-hour nap that almost becomes an additional sleep period and then you could argue that maybe you're engaging in what's called polyphasic sleep where you're doing a little bit at night a little bit during the day you're not doing it all at once so jade says 30 minutes to an hour tops if you set a timer for about 45 minutes give yourself a few minutes to get into sleep you'll probably end up sleeping about 30 ish minutes and that's pretty safe that's good.

10:35SEMA's version of brief is even briefer. A short nap is typically what we recommend, you know, 10 or 20 minutes. And the idea behind that is that you probably will remain in the lighter phases of sleep rather than getting into the deeper phases of sleep where sometimes it's a little bit harder to wake up. A quick note here, every phase of sleep is important. If you do any sort of sleep tracking, you might have noticed there is this assumption that only the deep sleep is what we want. And there's something wrong if we are only in, you know, quote unquote, light sleep. But the reality is that we need it all.

11:12They all have a job to do and they work together. It helps with our immune system, but it also helps with our brain. But for quick naps, it's best and more likely to stay in lighter phases of sleep. If you find yourself falling asleep quickly and dipping into deep sleep with only 30 minutes of napping. That's actually a sign that you're not getting enough sleep at night. So that's just a symptom that your brain is so desperate to get into deep sleep that even a 30 minute nap will get you there. A lot of dreaming during nap time could be another canary in the coal mine. Your body might just be compensating for not enough REM sleep during the night or if you really consistently and often fall asleep during the day and go directly into REM, that might mean you have narcolepsy.

11:57All this to say again, listen to your body and do what you can to set yourself up for success. We'll get more into how to do that right after the break.

12:18Okay, sleepyheads, we're back with more Life Kit. In our quest to better naps, let's also make sure we're practicing overall good sleep hygiene, shall we? That brings us to takeaway four. Stop committing sleep sabotage. For the very best of naps, be aware of daytime habits that get in the way of good sleep. All right, it's time to talk about the great big energy drink-sized elephant in the room. Sometimes when we are chronically sleep deprived, we are in survival mode. So then it's, okay, I've got to get through that afternoon hump. I'm going to have some caffeine. And maybe we overdo. So then that sabotages our attempts to fall asleep at night.

13:00Do you resemble that statement? I know I do. If you want better naps, it's important to be conscious about your caffeine consumption. And we have a LifeKid episode on exactly how to do that if you're interested. But the two can coexist. For example, some people, and by some people, I do mean me, swear by caffeine naps. That's when you throw back a Diet Coke right before nap time, so by the time you wake up, you feel extra energized and ready to go. And there are studies that back up this practice. But Jade says exercise caution. Between having caffeine that late and having a nap, you might be setting yourself up to, you know, have difficulty falling asleep that night.

13:40And Seema agrees. Stay mindful and curious about how caffeine affects your sleep. And it doesn't have to be all or none, right? You don't have to have 200 milligrams of caffeine and then take a nap. You could have like 60 and then take a nap. And then there's how we set up our sleep space. Let's say you're trying to nap in your car over your lunch break. What does that look like? And how can we optimize it? If you are intentionally going to take a nap, is it worth bringing a pillow and a blanket and an eye mask, right? and some earplugs. Another tip that was hard for this napper to hear, keep the same bedtime and wake time on weekends.

14:20Otherwise, you're doing social jet lag. So you live in San Diego. So if you get up three hours later than usual on weekends, it's like you've flown from New York to San Diego and back over the course of that weekend. That does not feel good, right? I'm sure you've done that trip. That jet lag is just brutal. As Jade puts it, maintaining a robust circadian clock allows you to cope and recover better from all sorts of stressors. So the occasional unideal sleep situation, like actually getting on an airplane and switching time zones, for example, can be that much easier to manage.

15:03Speaking of travel, we've arrived at our final destination. Takeaway five, create a mini rest ritual. Because even without napping, daytime rest is crucial to nighttime sleep. This goes back to our caveman brains and that built-in circadian dip in energy we all experience in the middle of the day. Honoring that pause lets your brain know it's okay to settle down at night. If you spend your whole day going 100 miles an hour, that is sending the message to our bodies that it's not safe to fall asleep. because the only reason why you're going, going, going all day without stopping must be because there's a saber-toothed tiger on your tail, right?

15:43So if that's the case, you better not fall asleep and certainly not into deep sleep. So that's why daytime rest, even if you don't fall asleep during the day for a full nap, daytime rest is really important. That's right. Even if you don't fall asleep. I know this is a hard one, especially if you're desperate for sleep and have precious little time before your fussy baby is up again. or if you only have exactly 30 minutes of a lunch break. I think sometimes if you put a time limit, that itself is stressful. Super anxiety-inducing, yeah. Right, because you're like, okay, has it been 10 minutes?

16:17Can I peek? Can I look at my watch? I don't know. The fix is to reframe your thinking around your rest period. To start, some rebranding could be helpful. Like, what does it take exactly to achieve a power nap? I think it's because we say it's a power nap. Okay. We just declare it. Declaring it makes it so. I like that. I think so. I think so because I'm not sure that there has been any rigorous study on it. And I think it's more because we believe that it restores us. So whatever the duration of time is a short amount of restorative sleep that makes us feel better afterwards. Okay. Simple enough.

16:53I'm declaring all my naps moving forward. So option one, fake it till you make it. Option two, maybe you don't have to sleep at all. If I fall asleep, great. If I don't fall asleep, also great. But what I'm not going to do is check my email, scroll through social media, do chores, or do any of those things that further overstimulate me. What you need is true rest. So even if you don't fall asleep, even if you just kind of hang out in a meditative state or do some mindfulness practices, or even just let your mind wander. We know from brain scanning studies that those states are really restful and really special and can be rejuvenating in a similar way that a nap can be rejuvenating.

17:40If you have a nighttime routine that helps you wind down, you can do something similar, sort of like a short version of that to ease you into your nap, particularly if it's the same place, right? That if you work from home and you are able to sleep in your bedroom and you usually do like a 10-minute meditation before you go to bed, maybe do a five-minute meditation before you take a nap. Jade plays Beethoven to cue nap time for her kids and herself. Seema is a fan of box breathing. You breathe in for four seconds and you hold for four seconds and you breathe out for four seconds and you hold for four seconds.

18:15Audiobooks and podcasts are another favorite for winding down. We might be able to help you there. And I'm not just saying that because we're on the podcast right now, But truly, NPR is a really good free bedtime podcast for, you know, station. No matter what relaxation method you choose, remember, you can only do what you can do. Sometimes it's not possible to nap and rest in the ideal way that we've talked about. But it's always possible to prioritize your health and wellness, even in little ways. Don't let perfection be the enemy of good. Nap when you can, where you can, the best you can. But the key here is, you just really need and deserve to rest.

19:00Even if it's just for just a tiny bit of time, get out of your head into your body. And whatever tasks you can do, be mindful, do that. You know, as you walk from your car to the office, from your car to the grocery store, walk mindfully, be in that moment with your body. And that goes a long way.

19:23Okay, let's recap. Softly and slowly, just in case any of you are using this podcast to settle down for your early afternoon snooze. Takeaway one, naps are supplemental to your nighttime routine, not a replacement. Takeaway two, not everyone needs a nap. So if it's not happening, don't stress it. takeaway three aim for naps that are c e b consistent early and brief takeaway four stop committing sleep sabotage for the very best of naps be intentional about all of your sleep takeaway five daytime rest is crucial for nighttime sleep even if a nap isn't possible make time for a daily ritual of rest

20:16that was life kit reporter andy tagel and that's our show hey did you know that life kit has its own newsletter i think you're gonna like it we have so many smart supportive listeners that send us amazing tips of their own and they are often featured in our weekly newsletter so if you want to be part of that community, subscribe at npr.org slash LifeKit newsletter. This episode of LifeKit was produced by Andy Tagle. Our visuals editor is Beck Harlan, and our digital editor is Malika Garib. Megan Cain is our senior supervising editor, and Beth Donovan is our executive producer. Our production team also includes Claire Marie Schneider, Margaret Serino, and Sylvie Douglas.

20:56Engineering support comes from Gilly Moon and Stacey Abbott. I'm Mariel Segarra. Thank you for listening. Thank you.

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Naps can offer significant benefits, from emotional regulation to improving memory and athletic performance. But there are right and wrong ways to snooze. A sleep psychologist and a sleep physician explain the factors of the perfect nap and the importance of daytime rest. This episode originally published Feb. 26, 2024.

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