John Fogerty: The Suitcase Behind The Microphone (Re-Release)

31:40And at some point, knew that that was my friend and that I was going to try and do something in music. and so you're spending all your consciousness and your energy trying to get to wherever that is. And you don't really know what it is other than you get a few examples here and there like Elvis or the Beatles. And oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I want to do. It's a pretty big wide net that you're thinking about, but you love music. You just want to be somehow in music. And so then, lo and behold, you record a thing called Suzy Q and you start to have real success for the first time. You know, you're really being noticed on the big radio station.

32:31And then you start to write your own songs. You discover, even though I've been writing songs since I was probably eight, you know, they kind of sounded like that, too. So, I mean, you're trying to gear everything within you. I'm sure an athlete is doing the same thing. And you're trying to get advice and mentorship and things to practice and work on. You're trying to do as much as you can to further that journey that you think you're on. And one day, you know, I'd started writing. I mean, I'd been writing all along, but suddenly I wrote Proud Mary. And you sound like I'm digressing. But anyway, that was the first time.

33:20I mean, I went, oh, my God, this is good. It was the first time that something was good. And I recognized it immediately. So, you know, that euphoria lasted for a day or two, maybe a week. and then it was, oh God, now what am I going to do? I mean, listen, I just have to say, because I do this because I'm a fan. I get to talk to people I admire on my best days doing this show and listening to you say, and yeah, and then I wrote Proud Mary has made my fucking month. I mean, Proud Mary feels like a song that's always existed. Do you know what I mean? Like there are just songs that it always was, it always will be, and so it shall be.

34:13But you wrote it. Yeah. I think what happened there was, you know, all the things I'd been just in my own personality. Not necessarily the stuff to further a career, but just the stuff I was interested in. and I want to give people credit like Pete Seeger who was, I loved Pete Seeger, and by far the best entertainer I ever saw. Really? Oh, yeah, and I saw Frank and I saw Dino and Sammy and, you know, that sort of thing that we consider, in quotes, entertainers, you know, that sort of thing. Later in my life, I saw Elvis. I mean, it was after I had already started to have a career. So I saw quite a few shows at the Oakland Auditorium, and these were my heroes.

35:16But Pete was magical, and it turned out that there was so much more to that package, this folk music that was so American and so much of the people. And then you knew what his politics were because he talked about it. But I never saw anything other than here's a guy trying to stand up for the people. That's the way I looked at it. It was kind of poor people against rich company owners. That was sort of what the stance seemed to be. And, you know, as old as I've gotten doing this, it still kind of looks like that to me. You know, it's management versus labor, if you will. Yep. And so I loved Pete.

36:08And another guy I loved was Mark Twain. And there was just, and the old black and white movies I would see back in the 50s on TV, you know, back when there were three channels. Yep. after the 11 o 'clock news, because I was a kid, just like my kids, I'd stay up late, you know, till three, four in the morning sometimes, or until the TV went off. And you'd see these great old black and white movies, like, there was one I especially loved called The Devil and Daniel Webster. Oh, of course. Yeah. That's kind of what inspired Bad Moon Rising. And I'm sorry to be getting off tangent, but I guess what I'm saying is with Proud Mary, something escaped from my inner soul.

37:00And I'm saying that jokingly. I had spent all those years trying to sound like, you know, Dionne Warwick or Sam Cooke or, you know, the Beatles or, you know, whatever other songs were being written, searching by the coasters. You know, just listening and watching and trying to write a pop song or maybe even a Hoagy Carmichael song, you know, people I really admired. And what Proud Mary, it jumped out of me. And what jumped out was a deep love of America, American history, our country, our culture is probably what I'm trying to say. And not that it's exclusive only to, you know, the United States of America, of course, because it turns out to be kind of a generational thing, too.

38:02But the images in my mind of the people who had influenced me, like Mark Twain, let's say, or Pete, were kind of subliminally there in Proud Mary. And I think that's what you're saying. It just seemed like that song had been there forever. I've heard people tell me, yeah, it seemed as old as the dirt. And I would, you know, I mean, I was profoundly, when I finished it, in that little 20 minutes of inspiration, I was shaking. I had the little piece of paper I'd written it on, and I knew it was really good. And so much more than anything I'd ever done. I realized I was on to something. I guess if you had a mentor paying enough attention, you know, I didn't really have that.

38:55The only person in the whole world that knew this was me. This is really good. You know, I mean, I was too young and shy to actually run outside and go, I've written a great song. I didn't do that. But inside, I was just like freaking out because I I realized it was far and away better than anything I'd ever done. Who did you play it for first? Wow. I probably played it for, I didn't play it right away. Really? Wait, you said I've written a great song, but I'm not going to play it right away. I'm going to play some of the other songs that aren't great first. Well, the situation then was we would rehearse every day, the band.

39:38and if we were gearing up toward the next recording, I would show them kind of slowly, I'd show them the chords to a song and get the feel going instrumentally first. As a matter of fact, I think we, as was usually the case, right, in that period of time after Suzy Q, you know i mean everybody else in the in credence at that point after suzy q could kind of see there was something to this i'm not sure that i that uh that it was believed by everyone you know in at least to the same degree right after suzy you know having a song on the radio be a pretty massive hit wow we gee we might be able to make a go of this thing but they were probably in that mindset, I was in a panic mindset.

40:40Because what Susie Q meant to me was, wow, it's kind of a novelty song. Here's, you know, we've done a cover song. We've had this hit, you know, we're like the guys that did Louie Louie, you know, or most other one hit wonders. And I was, after all this work of a whole lifetime, and our first song, rather than being the remarkable Wooly Bully, one of the greatest rock and roll records ever. My first favorite song. There you go. It was more like, oh, man, what are we going to follow this up with? Because this is going to run its course in a few weeks. And, I mean, here was the actual thought in my mind.

41:24we're sort of famous right now. The spotlight's shining on us. We got a few minutes and it's going to shine on us. And the sort of collective audience is going, well, in other words, what do you got? What now? If you do something great, you get to stay on the stage. But if you do something lame, it seems to be worse than never having had that hit. because now with all that attention and you do something lame, you are massively identified that you don't have the goods. You're out of here. Next. Bring them in here. And I was terrified of that. I didn't want to go back to the car wash. That was the phrase we always use.

42:13Oh, my God, we're going to end up back at the car wash. And Proud Mary was where in the timeline, though, after Susie Q? Well, Susie Q came out on my birthday, May 28th, 1968. Right. And at that point in time, I was still committed or how can I say it? I still had obligations to the U.S. Army Reserve. I was still in the Army, wasn't out yet. But But I started writing actually before that album came out. The album that Suzy Q was on came out on May 28th. And I immediately started trying to write songs for the next album. And I had already started to have little thoughts about Born on the Bayou.

43:14But Proud Mary wasn't there yet. But somewhere, I think around in July, or could have even been late June of 68, I got my honorable discharge. It had been sitting on the steps of my apartment house in an envelope that said, official U.S. government business, that I promptly stepped over for about three days, not realizing that it was for me. I mean, it looks so official. I don't know what that is. It was my honorable discharge inside. Anyway, when I finally opened it, Rob, I was – remember, this is the height of the Vietnam War. I was overjoyed. I was, wow, wow. I mean, I was euphorically happy.

43:59So happy that I actually looked at the little, I don't know, five by eight patch of grass they had in front of the apartment house and did a cartwheel, you know, even though I was 22 then, I think. I went right inside the house put on the guitar and that's the circumstance that I wrote Proud Mary in that first line being left a good job in the city that's what I was referring to being in the army wow so that summer I was writing songs to be recorded to be our next album after the Suzy Q album and Proud Mary and the others got recorded in October of 68, but they didn't come out till January 69.

44:52There's that great, there's one of the billions of documentaries about the Beatles and there's one, this is the Imagine documentary for just John Lennon where they, he plays Imagine for the band, for that band at the first, for the first time to gather around that white piano and he finishes it and it's dead silence. dead silence and nobody quite knows what to say because it's fucking imagine they just got played for the first time and and john lennon goes i don't know i think it's i think it's pretty good actually and i just have that sort of that sensation of like thinking about you playing proud mary for the band they did they did they know it was as good as you knew it was uh thing things were not always a straight line yes i i intuited that and well you know and in life there's a lot of that i mean by the way my declaration of freedom in my middle 70s is trying to only be on straight lines you know i mean it's another way of expressing that because you realize, well, I'm, and I have no reason to be bashing credence or anything after all this time.

46:17I mostly, especially for the early days, have pretty happy memories. So please don't take any, I'm just being honest rather than, And, you know, but there was a bit of tension because, for one thing, my brother and I, Tom and I had written songs together earlier in our lives. Or sometimes he would write a whole song or I would write a whole song. You know, it would happen in those three ways. And I imagine even in other ways, too. And that was just between my brother Tom and myself. So we had now discussed with, especially after I got back from active duty in 67, and we were kind of making a new push with our collective career as a band.

47:08We had discussed the idea of sharing the songwriting equally and all of us being songwriters. Okay. Okay, and please understand that at that point in time, I was a team player and really thought, I mean, that's all like, okay, yeah. I mean, nothing else had really worked before. You know what I'm saying? So you keep trying things until something works. Yep. So that's what had been discussed. and so there was a tension about if I showed that well I can only imagine and to use a phrase if I had walked into that group of people who we had just come to the decision that we're all going to write songs and I sat down and played imagine all by myself the way that sounds on the piano, I probably wouldn't have a band anymore.

48:14You know? I mean. That's a very good point. I might have left the room myself. And we'll be right back after this. You're in the Songwriting Hall of Fame. You went in in the mid-2000s, deservedly, obviously, goes without saying. Paul Simon, another, I think, he might be. Great songwriter. One of the great songwriters in the history of the world. He's up there with Dylan and you, I mean, he's up there. But, you know, he talks about writing Bridge Over Troubled Water in the same way you talk about. It's almost the exact same description. He's written a gazillion great songs. Then he wrote Bridge Over Troubled Water.

48:58And he went. He said he was shaking. And he knew immediately that this was something other. So I love, it's so interesting for me as a massive music fan to look at somebody's body of work like yours. It's just one monster after another, just one beat down after another. And then here comes Proud Mary in the same with Paul Simon. And I know what was different. You just got discharged from the army. That was what made that one happen, sounds like to me. That's exactly what it was. and also understand I was at a different place in my career I was at the very beginning I had written songs a few of them had been on you know how can I say small radio stations out in the Central Valley like places like Merced we were the gollywogs then and some of those got played I don't think any of them were in the category of Proud Mary A couple of them are kind of neat rock and roll songs, but they don't have that extra little, you know, that thing that it's bringing something with it that's not necessarily in the words or in the recording, you know, in the musical arrangement.

50:24Although with a great record, you sense that. I mean, you know, you just like you mentioned Imagine or Bridge Over Trouble. water or even something like satisfaction or uh gosh i want to hold your hand you know uh or like a rolling stone i mean you just you just sense that there yes this thing's right here i'm watching this or hearing it on this car speaker but you're also aware of there's a whole bunch of suitcases just behind the microphone full of all kinds of other stuff that this song is referencing subliminally. And most of the time, I think we all understand it, you know, emotionally, even if we can't quite verbalize it.

51:14Kids more so than adults most of the time. Yeah, I look at my daughter now and the people, she's 19, the people she loves and she's, you know, been paying attention since she was about 11. it's that she's it's like the people mover at Disneyland you know she's been on the people mover all that time and is totally plugged in uh to the current contemporary artists I am not I tend to be that guy that and you know I'll notice a song here and there but I don't know all the artists like Cardi B and I don't know Sizzy and also SZA you know she plays them for me and I love a lot of them but I don't know them intimately like a kid does when they're in their own time yeah it's I've been trying I think about this a lot is like what because you can get in the argument about what the state of music and things like that but at the end of the day it's important to remember that when you're, you know, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 years or whatever it is, whatever music is being played at that moment is going to be the soundtrack of your life.

52:28And that, that will always be, um, the same thing for Saturday Night Live casts. They always argue, which was the best version of Saturday Night Live? It's the version that was on when you were young. That's the answer. And it's, I think it's the same for music. I need to ask you, what did you think, I'm sure you've answered a lot, when you heard Ike and Tina Turner's version of Proud Mary? Oh, I was very excited. I guess over the moon would be a phrase. I was driving in my cars about 6.30 to 7 o 'clock, and it was dark, so it must have been in the wintertime in the Bay Area. I'd been a fan of Ike and Tina since the 50s.

53:11In fact, various times I played some of their songs live, especially the one I think it's going to work out fine, which was a really cool guitar song. It also had the Ike cats in the background and Tina just belting it out. And I was a big Tina fan. I was waiting for Tina to be discovered. You know, I was very aware that she was, it was a gaping hole. There was something wrong with the universe because she wasn't discovered yet. And, you know, it was something that kind of irked me. Even more so a little later when the gals from the San Francisco explosion all, you know, took off and became very famous and kind of left Tina Turner behind.

54:01And I'm going, well, wait a minute. This is not right. Because, you know, it was just one of those things. So when I can Tina's version of Proud Mary came out and it was so stunningly original and different, you know, and fresh. I just absolutely loved it. I just thought it was great. I didn't see it as any kind of a threat or competition or even remotely like my version. I thought of it as a brand new thing. Well, it's the rare confluence where, like you say, when people redo a great song like that, for me, it's just like it's never as good. It's like a hamburger and a pizza. They're both fucking amazing.

54:48And yet they're really different, the versions of that song. I mean, they're both amazing. It's kind of stunning they were able to do it. well do I get to be the hamburger you get to choose well here's the thing John and I thought long and hard about am I going to be the pizza well here's the thing I've thought long and hard about whether I was going to bring this up or not in this conversation but you know that proud Mary has a very special place in my life of course you do know yes Rob yes of course you do know god damn it this is the most mortifying moment of my life, I desecrated Proud Mary in the Academy Awards.

55:33You didn't desecrate it. I'm just, you sang. See, I have the story a little, I'm a runner, right? I run all the time, jog all the time. And in those days, I was running in the dark just before dinnertime, you know, six o 'clock, seven o 'clock, something like that. And I always have sports on you know had the the radio and if i can i'm listening to a game yep or else i'm at least listening to sports talk yep so i was doing that one one night jogging in the dark when somebody came on the news blast and explained that rob lowe had just sung proud mary at the academy awards right but this part i get missed messed up did you sing that to snow white john the thing is it's a very complex situation.

56:25Well, then I'm close. Oh, you're close. You're right on it. I didn't know if I was garbling up two different stories. Oh, no, no. We garbled it up plenty on our own. So the theory is that we were going to do an homage to old-time Hollywood. And I was asked by the Academy to come and do it. And I was like, a 20-year-old kid was like, this is great. Marvin Hamlisch. Oh, boy. Did the arrangement of your song. Awesome. Right? Thank you. Thank you. That's what I thought. I still think that. It's a feather in our cap. Thank you. See, you know what? This is the final word. In some weird way, we collaborated here.

57:11See, this is it. You've done more for me coming to terms with this than than 30 years of therapy about it. John, honestly, this is you've been carrying it around that long. I've been carrying around my shame for 30 years. And you've you've you've absolved me that I will say the lyrics. You you get discharged from the army and write the amazing lyric left a good job in the city. Marvin Hamlisch's version was having Snow White say, used to work a lot for Walt Disney. They're not exactly. I don't think there's so many suitcases behind the microphone on that one. I get it. I don't think that takes it down in any way.

58:02I think the idea that you got to sing a song like that and sing it. I get the context now that that's why they'd be Disney because there's Snow White. By the way, talk about in our era of cultural appropriation, the Oscars, they said, no, we're not interested in Ike Turner. Let's have Rob Lowe. And we don't want Tina Turner. We want Snow White. Talk about that version of it. So, yeah, so I was basically playing Ike, basically. If you can imagine. I mean. Well, OK. OK, if you I'm sure they had a broader sense to that. No, no. But I can imagine the atrocity of having Tina Turner dressed up as Snow White, Snow White, and having, you know, especially with all that her history, with all that she's gone through with oppression.

58:56Yeah. But, you know, there you go. Here's one of those examples of where you do something that's a little uncomfortable. because it furthers your career, right? I'm speaking of this idea of Tina being Snow White. Probably would have been, she would have said yes, I would think.

59:18It's something, it was fun to do. I actually had a really good time doing it. And again, I was like, are you kidding me? Sing a Creedence song? Hell yeah, man. I was always, like I said, I love doing it. And the fact that I get to go to - I'm glad you did. I go to the godfather himself and said, all I know is that the two people who have loved my Snow White, and these are all the people who are going to write their Oscar most embarrassing lists. Every year, I'm a number one or two. They do it every year. I don't know why they do it, notwithstanding the fact that. Oh, man, that's not right. Can you believe this, John?

59:53Notwithstanding the fact that three years ago, they couldn't even figure out what picture really won Best Picture. I'm still the problem. You loved it. And Lucille Ball loved it. And to me, that is the end. And we're still talking about it and we still remember it. So there you go. That's, boy, you said it right. When is the tour starting back? I know you're right in the middle of it and then COVID hit. When are you coming back on the road so I can come see you? Well, right now we've been in rehearsal this week. Great. I have a few shows this weekend, and it's kind of gearing up throughout the rest of the summer.

1:00:35And, you know, we'll soon get back to normal, I hope. You know, it's interesting. I had a thought back there with talking about how the Beatles came on Ed Sullivan, And it had been right after a time when the whole country was in such a low mood because of GFK. And I mean, not that they're similar, let's say. We've had a pretty horrible time this past year and a half or so. For sure. So many families have lost family members. And for those folks, it's horrible. Nothing's going to fix it. But I think collectively, our country, America, and generally speaking, the rest of the world, we're tenuously kind of realizing that we might be able to smile again.

1:01:35I'm sure we're kind of testing the dirt to see if it's quicksand or not. Or when you laugh out loud, you kind of wonder, oh, well, I hope I didn't offend anybody who maybe doesn't feel like laughing out loud right now. So, you know, it's going to be a process. But isn't it interesting that we've gone through a collective trauma like this? And it has a, I mean, the medical trauma and the political trauma was bad enough. And then I've never had to worry about this. Wondering when it starts to be okay again, because we don't really know. Yeah, and I think it's going to be great for you to be playing your amazing catalog out there with people who are going to be so glad to be out and so glad to be sharing art again with other people.

1:02:37You're starting to see it already in the movie business with people coming back into the movie theaters and our boy Bruce is back on Broadway packing them in. And, you know, it's like people are hungry for the communal experience of sharing this kind of stuff together. So I think it's going to be good timing for you guys. Do you have dates actually set up? Are you in the process of still figuring out what's going to work? No. There's this weekend I'm playing in Sioux City and also Minneapolis. So you're out. I love it. You're out. Yeah. And a couple of weeks later, some more dates in the Midwest.

1:03:16Finally ending up near the end of August on the East Coast. I think Boston and New York City and, you know, starting to get normal again. I'm in Las Vegas in October. And you play with your kids now. They're in the band, correct? Well, I think for me, yeah, yes. The answer is yes. And you see, I have an extra thing. I mean, realizing that getting with my band this past week or so and playing loud and playing live and getting to scream out, fortunate son, you know, it just feels so good. It's just here we go. But also, I've got my kids there. And, you know, there were times when I showed them things on guitar and piano and other times when I didn't.

1:04:09and they would just go off on their own and learn things. And now they're grown up and they play really well. Part of what we're doing, especially this weekend, you know, last summer, because we were in lockdown, we really couldn't leave the house. So I couldn't play with my band. Everybody was in their, you know, in our, what were they, shelter at home mode, right? Yep. So we kind of formed our own little family band. My wife called it Fogarty's Factory. That's your YouTube channel, is it not? Yeah. The album Cosmos Factory by Credence turned 50 last summer. Jesus. And so Julie, my wife, got the idea to replicate that album cover, but with our family.

1:04:59Right. And so, you know, which I thought, hey, that's cool. And we had to do it all. It's like found art, you know, that we had to do things. we just found in the house. We weren't allowed to leave and go down to the, you know, five and dime because you were supposed to stay home at that point. What's the drum kit? Pots and pans, kitchen table, pillows, muffled pillows, any of that stuff? Well, in our band of us four people, we didn't really have a real drummer. Eventually I had Kelsey, my daughter, play drums or play a drum. And she staggered me. She was so good at it. But it was basically the four of us to see my son Shane, who normally plays guitar, played bass.

1:05:48And then the rest of us played guitars. Or I think my son Tyler played electric piano on a couple of the songs. And we just found ways of, again, because there was sort of an enforced or imposed discipline to this, we had to find a way to make it sound at least interesting under those conditions. And for me, Rob, what I'm trying to tell you, it was a joy because I'd never really had the whole group of all the kids and me playing at the same time, making a performance. We had done it off the cuff, like in the car, you know, singing along to Louie Louie or something. Yeah. But never like we're going to present, you know, what do they call that?

1:06:38Recital, like a recital. Oh, boy. You know, when you're in sixth grade. And they, it was so much fun and they were so doggone good. You know, they all had the feel. I was very surprised to tell you that, you know, I was a little surprised. I can't wait to see it. But I have that ingredient now in our show so that I've got this extra thing like spurring me on besides just playing rock and roll music loud the way I love to do. I've got my family there on stage with me. It's so awesome. I can't even describe it, really. What a blessing. What a just. I'm so happy for you. I can't wait to see you. You've been in my area a couple of times and I've always been either shooting or whatever.

1:07:28And I'm always like, God damn it. But this, I'm keeping my eye out for the West Coast, Southern California, Santa Barbara area dates. Because I can't wait to see you in concert. John, this has been great. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I've wanted you on it forever. You're one of the first people that I put on my list because you're one of my heroes. And this is, it's made my day. I'm going to go listen to Proud Mary. I'm going to sing my earwig of, I'm going to go to the Dodger Stadium and hear.

1:08:08There's one, right? We all know what that is. Well, thank you, Rob. I've enjoyed being here talking to you. And you remember when you said that you thought that the Beatles were being called the Shields? Yeah. Yeah. I thought that the original lyrics for the old man down the road was the old man is Dan DeRoe. That's his name. He's not down the road. The old man is Dan DeRoe. Anyway, that's what I sing. That's what I sing, just so you know, whenever I hear it. One day, there's going to be a big music festival, and you're going to go, and you're going to check in at a hotel as Dan DeRoe. Well, dude, that's got to be your road name now.

1:08:53I'm giving that gift to you. Some kids will get together and name their band the DeRose. And one of them will be Danny DeRose. And, of course, Johnny. The old man is Danny DeRose. I had to do it. I wasn't getting away without doing my Fogarty. That was not even a possibility. so great yeah it's my favorite podcast ever made it's great being here thanks Rob thank you buddy thanks brother alright see you later thanks folks thank you wow that was I had so much fun I hope you guys had as much fun as I did listening to John and I just I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy and I'm gonna get in my car right now and you know what I'm gonna do I'm putting some John Fogarty on as he says loud the way he likes it.

1:09:51All right. It is time for the lowdown line. Hello. You've reached literally in our lowdown line where you can get the lowdown on all things about me, Rob Lowe. 3-2-3-5-7-0-4-5-5-1. So have at it. Here's the beep. Hi, Rob. This is Tessa calling from St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands. I want to know from you, what's your favorite virtue? Such as, like an example is patience. What's your favorite virtue? What virtue would you like to grow in? And what would you like to see more in the world? Have a good one. Wow, Tessa. See, that's what happens when you live in such a beautiful place. like the Virgin Islands, you think about beautiful things like that.

1:10:52What virtue is the most virtuous? I'm thinking of like that David Fincher movie, The Seven Deadly Sins. Like, you know, you don't want to have, what sins? Sloth. It's the opposite side of that conversation. It's the, well, you mentioned patience. And I have to tell you, I did a little, did my morning meditation and my morning prayers. Just this morning, prayed for more patience. So, clearly, that is something that I would use, asked what I would like to have more of myself, patience, for sure, is my thing. But what is my, but that's not my favorite. I don't go, oh, I met this guy. He was so amazing.

1:11:40God, you got to meet him. He's so patient. That doesn't really work, right? I mean, it's a good virtue. Don't get me wrong. And it's a virtue I want more of, but it's not like a beacon of attraction, I don't think, for anybody. So what would that be? What would be the beacon of attraction? Virtue. Well, listen, I mean, I don't know if it's a virtue, but I, you know, I like funny people. I know it's not a virtue. It's not. Funny people are good. My new made-up virtue is funny. I'm selling it to you as a virtue hopefully you buy that and as for myself I would like more patience which is actually a virtue thanks for listening everybody we will see you next week on literally don't forget tell two people about the podcast let's spread the word let's build it up and don't forget to subscribe and give me some comments on the comment boards on Apple in particular because I always like to read them and I love the helpful criticisms and positive feedback and all of it.

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