Julie Bowen: What Am I Holding Back? (Re-Release)

23:47Rob Lowe:I've spent a lot of time thinking about it. And here's what it comes down to is when they talk about craft, that's the craft of acting. There's acting and then there's the craft of acting. Right. And I've worked with a lot of actors who are all actor. They're 100 % actor, but they have no craft. Right, right. They can't, yeah, that is the part that, and it's probably so boring to so many people but I remember finally feeling as an actor like I mean it was a long time ago it was like I know where the camera is and where the light is and I don't have to look and that kind of like and I know that we're in a whatever shot it is and now I can do my job within that space but the idea of just being like I worked with an actor who's fucking phenomenal and I won't say his name because he's really well known but he would just do the funniest things, but he'd drop to the ground and he'd be off camera.

24:41I was like, get up! No one can see what you're doing! This is not going to ever be on film.

24:47Rob Lowe:No, it's... When I come to a set based on where the camera's pointed, and I knowing what we shot, I don't need to know. Okay, so in this shot, we're going to pick it up from when you... I'm like, I know. It's clear. Right. But also, you want to be and are a director, as am I. And I think that we're interested in that and and know all about that stuff is the director part of us. For sure. But there was a time of being an actor seemed like the coolest thing in the world. When do you think for you, because you become an actor or producer, I mean, you become a director or producer or a writer because you realize that actors have no power.

25:23Like it seems like the world loves you and you have power. You've no power. You're waiting for the phone to ring. So when did that worm turn for you when you were like, wait a minute, everyone wants to fuck me, but I have no power. Yeah. I mean, that is, that's good when, for a certain age and hormone level. And after that, you go, I need something else.

25:47Rob Lowe:Well, I mean, it's funny, you know, again, my son John Owen, you know, when he told me he wanted to be an actor, I was like, okay, be a content creator. And that's the only model that works today. Yeah. I just had, I was, for me, it wasn't the power thing so much as it was I, being an actor, I had, there were no more surprises. I'd done every rescue. I've, I've played every scene. I've played every note. It's very rare that there's something that I haven't played at some point and I need to be challenged and I have more to give. And then the other thing was, and I say this with all possibility of humility.

26:32Rob Lowe:I'm loathe to even say it. I can't wait. This is going to be the best part. I already know it. When you know more than anybody else on the set. And that comes with the amount of time. I'm 57. Yeah, it's just hours on set. I've been doing this since 1979. You look great, Rob. You are so highly desirable. You're highly fuckable. Thank you. You're welcome. um i don't think that but i i do think that that's an interesting shift that starts to happen for people when you go because for so long getting a job feels good and getting a job and knowing you have a place to go in your life i i hated being an out of work actor so much friends would be like we're gonna see the matinee at the bev connection and i'm like what yes right we've given up they're like well we don't we don't have anything else going on i mean to me and here's the other thing is when i'm directing and oh really in an editing room this is the best like i'm never tired i'm exhausted as an actor yeah exhausted sloth sloth what do you like about the editing room it's where and it's the same as being in the recording studio like when like when i can geek out with my friends who are in rock bands i get to be in there all day long it's a little more guitar a little less guitar what if we put it a timpani it's like you get to really make you everything is made in the editing room as you know yeah i do know and and i find it really interesting and how much you think about that when you're shooting like when you're directing are you always thinking about editing um i remember when i was young like people say oh when you work with that director you should know he's he's cutting he's cutting in in the camera he's cutting in his head i was like oh wow they're cutting in their head oh wow that's amazing and and now of course you are anybody who knows what the fuck they're doing knows what they're going to use and what they're not and don't shoot things right but by the way that's not the way like you shoot a movie like apocalypse now they've they shoot everything and anything and then it's a big mound of debacle and then they bring it into the editing room and they and they find the movie and they craft it.

28:44Rob Lowe:Nobody does that anymore. Nobody does that. I work with Steven Soderbergh on Behind the Candelabra. I did a scene with him where it was Michael Douglas and I meeting at a door. He never even shot Michael's coverage. Oh my God, that's fucking bold. That's a bold move. I love that. I love that. Because there's a lot of people there now because you don't shoot on film, so it's cheap. It's cheap. Just shoot everything. Shoot it, shoot it, shoot it, shoot it. And then later on, you'll kind of like, someone will figure it out. I don't love that. I don't love that at all. I want to go back to this thing that you have a...

29:20Rob Lowe:By the way, I just want to note, I love that you've taken control of the show. I love that. I have no ability not to. I'm so sorry. Would you like to take control of it? Are you like a dominatrix? No, not at all. I think that's probably my big problem. People are like, oh, you're bossy and you're driven and they want And they want that for me. And I'm like, all I want is to not be in charge for a minute. I would love to not be in charge. I'm in charge of three little boys. They're teenagers now. But three boys. And I've got employees and production. And I would love to not be in charge. What are your boys into?

30:01Rob Lowe:What are the kids into these days? Tell me that. My kids are in. Well, one out of three is super into sports. And it's just starting to happen now because he suddenly like grew and he stopped like caring if he got hurt. He was he used to like have to put ice on everything. And now he's like, screw that. So he's really into soccer. He's really into basketball. He's really into football. He's into all of it. And one of them is into I'm not sure what he's into. We're just really hoping I won't say his name because I'll feel bad if he hears it. But he knows he knows who he is. I'm like he's going to run a fortune 500 company or he's going to end up in jail.

30:40He's like this outside of the box thinkers that there's no, he doesn't even know there's a box. Understood. You're right about that. No, I know. And then the other one is he's very quiet and we're sort of waiting to see what happens over there. Crazy smart. Keep your eye on that one. That's exactly right. Right? Was one of yours really quiet?

31:02Rob Lowe:I have my oldest. I have to met John Owen, who, you know, and then Matthew. And Matthew is the quiet killer. What's Matthew doing? He went to Duke, got his law degree, then passed the bar. And he is now working in a VC company. And he's got like, you know, he's out there doing. I mean, he's into all of it. What city? What city? In L.A. And he understands crypto? Oh, they beyond beyond belief. all of it okay okay can you do crypto in two sentences it's a digital instant digital currency that eventually everything has gone digital uh you know so why wouldn't money i think it's inevitable in fact what i said to him i said i don't understand any i want you to i want schmuck insurance so just invest smart across the board smart so so i'm not one of those guys.

32:01Rob Lowe:It goes, I remember when I first heard about the computer. Right. Exactly. I don't want to be that asshole. So, I'm in. Right. Because it's inevitable. I'm sorry. It is. By the way, the metaverse is another one. Absolutely happening. The metaverse is like, I thought the metaverse applied to like action movies. You mean the real metaverse? Like where everything is virtual? 100%. It's, well, Here's the thing. It's 100 percent. I actually did an event in for meta in the metaverse. Oh, really? And it's so rudimentary. It's the equivalent of, you know, of what Pong was. Right, right. To what video games are now.

32:48And that's how far they're going to go, you think?

32:50Rob Lowe:Oh, and it will be exponential. I have a cousin who works at Google, and he's like, the only thing people want the metaverse for, the thing that's going to make it go at first will be porn. Yes, it's what made the internet go. Right, exactly. And then the rest follows. But it's always sex first. But the idea of that, ugh. Actually, you know what, you can fuck Claire Dunphy virtually all you want. That's fine. That's cool. I don't care. it's like my it's funny my rob schulte he's right just hit me with with with with cryptocurrency it's it's like you want to be in it because it's like beta and dhs somebody's gonna someone's gonna win and you want to be in it but in the metaverse it's like i want to i mean literally anything you can imagine we'll have like i want to like our our also our our likenesses we will be able to license.

33:46Rob Lowe:So like if you, I would like to see the version of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid had Elvis Presley been the Sundance kid. Was that ever an option? Yes, it was. What?

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36:16They said the best friends you will ever make will be the friends created by the AI that knows you. Okay, that's where I say no. There's got to be some chemistry element, some thing that sustains you. I mean, how are you -

36:36Rob Lowe:Okay, until you go to the meta, which I did. I hosted the Super Bowl party for charity in the meta, and you look at someone and you go, oh, wow, I kind of like this. No. You got a nice little vibe going. It's a fucking avatar. It looks like a bad cartoon. You've got to be kidding me. No. No. And then here's the other thing that happened is you go, well, I'm never going to buy anything that only exists. NFT is the other thing that they're obsessed with. Right. Yeah. Right. And I'm a huge believer in NFTs and all of that because you absolutely are going to want your Hermes Birkin bag in the metaverse.

37:13Rob Lowe:100 % you'll buy one. 100 % you will. Why? Why am I going to buy this, Rob? You have not convinced me. i don't want to why would i spend money on a thing that's not real because when you're in the metaverse and you see some you you go to this i went to a table where they had sunglasses you could pick up or you know a wig or a hat and i was like i want that hat and then somebody was like no i want the hat and then maybe you don't get it and you look at somebody who has the hat you're like no that's pretty fucking cool it's life it's just like life were you rob low in the metaverse like did they make an avatar that looks like you or do you know what you look like oh no I helped design my own.

37:51Rob Lowe:But again, it's so rudimentary. It looked just like my emoji. Yeah, like your bitmoji thing that you send to your mom with like hearts for eyes because you have nothing else to say. Yeah. That's what it looks like now. But this is the Pong version. Yeah. Bleep, bloop, bleep, bloop. Yep. Imagine when it looks like Halo. Yeah. Or what it looks like now. I can't. And I don't know if I want to. But I do want to understand crypto, but I can't. I understand that it's important. I understand it's the future. I get it. But I watch I sit there with my kids. I watch videos on YouTube about blockchain and I go, my head can't do this.

38:34I don't understand a thing.

38:36Rob Lowe:Well, and here's the thing is we're we really aren't made. It's not for us to understand. It's for our kids to understand. And they're kids. And we're just going to be the we're the last, you know, it took 12 years for the horse and buggy to go from all. The only way anybody could be could be could could could ride anything on any distance is a horse and buggy. Within 12 years, they were gone from existence forever. 12 years. You know why I really like you? I mean, you've always been cute and all that stuff. but you and i we are very very large incredibly shallow pools we have an incredible expanse of knowledge we don't know about the depth no idea about the depth i have no depth i mean i i do feel like we we could we could do we could do a show called shallow pools and just very large but but just bounce around and it's only goes 12 years for a horse and buggy yeah there's a great there's a great photo you can see of the, what parade is it in New York?

39:41Rob Lowe:I want to say the St. Patrick's Day parade in New York in like 1900. Horse and buggies, as far as you can see. Yeah. 1912. Gone. Cars, as far as you can see. And that was considered also a big environmental cleanup and still is in a lot of ways. Do you know that they had hundreds of millions of pounds of horseshit and they literally did not know what to do with it. And they had to cart it out. It's like us with plastics now. What do we do with this? We have no idea what to do with it. And they kept having to run it out to the countryside, but there's less and less countryside. And they were having a methane problem.

40:21Well, now we just put it to factory farming, but whatever.

40:24Rob Lowe:As the great Rosanna, Rosanna Dana used to say, talk about an old reference, it's always something. It's always something. I know. I love that. you've hosted SNL. Yes. How many times? Three. Are you going for your five-timer? I would like to be one of the five-timers. Here's the thing about SNL. If I never host it again, that will be fine because I'm never going to have better episodes than I did. They were all three spectacular and I had so much fun. I wouldn't want to go back and have it not be as fun as it was and and and i like snl but it's it's you know it's always a young man's game yeah and um it's a lot of staying up real late it's a lot of staying up real late and i and i don't think you know it's not here's john owen should we talk to john owen yes wait is he calling can we say congratulations hang on hang on i'm putting on john john on are you there yeah you're you're live on my podcast with Julie Bowen right now.

41:30Rob Lowe:She says hi. Oh my God. My partner in crime. Oh my God is right. She's saying, oh my God. I was telling her about our little show. What have you heard? Any news? I hear we're good. I mean, you're hearing more than I am. I just went to get a haircut to distract myself because I was pulling it all out. See, he's anxious. Your dad tells, it says that you need to chill out. It's all going to work out. He has this. You have to get to the place of the fuckets that I've got. I've been telling Julie about that. I wish I had the buckets. I'm 26 years old, though I think that would be kind of a dangerous thing for me to have.

42:05The buckets. It might be his coach soon for the buckets. But are you excited to work with your dad more? No. You are great at improv. There's no yes and there. Be like a mediator, though, and come hang with us. We'll pay her handsomely.

42:22Rob Lowe:No, we want you to come direct. That's what you do, is come direct an episode. all day long. Yes. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, I would love to direct John Owen. How great would Julie be directing? She'd be fantastic. We decided that she needs to create a show called L.A. Mix, and she needs a star in it. Oh, my God. It's good, right? Isn't it? That is good. Yeah. As long as you have nothing to do with that show, I think it could be successful. That's not very nice. All right, I'll call you back. I'm doing a show here. Are you on a flip phone, Rob? No. Oh, okay. Sorry. he's but i happen to know that kid i really like him i believe i dropped him off on the side of the highway once to get like an uber i was like i'll drive you home he's like you don't even know how far away i live you live in santa barbara i'm not doing anything i'm avoiding my kids i love that he's a nice person thank you he loves you too he loved so you two were were shadowing the directors on american horror story just to sort of see how they were doing on on and it i the ryan murphy universes is unlike any other it's its own world and it has like it literally has like crossover episodes with like oh the producers from this are coming over to that and everybody's shifting around but i love that that man will hire from within promote from within he finds he believes in people's talents i like that yeah he we have been we were trying to find something to do together since nip tuck and nip tuck i've told this story before so i'll make it quick do you know my i don't know your nip tech story just very very very i love nip talk yeah it was one of my favorite shows ever and i used to watch it like why can't i have a part like that why can't i have a part like that that is that i would crush in that and so i i got a meeting with this ryan murphy character and i told him all that and he goes and he was just he just like went white.

44:18Rob Lowe:And he says, well, I wrote it for you. No! Did you fire agents? No, because I understood what happened was, this is very inside baseball, but it was for, I believe, a network called FX. Yeah. They had never done scripted programming at all. Right. This was their first foray. And he was new. And as Ryan said, and I wasn't Ryan Murphy then. No, he wasn't. And my agents had me fresh off the West Wing. And it was bonanza time. And they were like, he's not going to do some FX whatnot thing with this whatnot. Right. We've never heard of it. Right. So they never gave it to me. That's okay. I read The 40-Year-Old Virgin.

45:05And I think I was pregnant or had had a long day of work. And I was like, I don't know. I can't focus. I don't get it. and then you and then you see it later you go the fuck is wrong with me but you never know until you

45:21Rob Lowe:know and it and it leads to something else it's like you know i i turned down gray's anatomy because i i i for for various reasons but i don't regret it because i wouldn't have done parks and recreation and i love that changed i think to parks and rec let me just tell you what changed your career let me tell you about you rob because you don't know you know nothing about this is It's going to come as a shock to you. I'm a narcissist and I love when people talk about me. Go ahead. That did change your career because everybody, you're too handsome by half. And I don't say that as a compliment. I know you don't.

45:54I don't trust. And it's a burden to carry around. No one takes you seriously. You can do really funny shit. The stuff you did in Wayne's World and stuff was really funny. But it wasn't until Parks and Rec when you got to be silly. You weren't even funny. You were fucking silly. So silly. That I was like, he broke free. He finally broke free. He's making fun of every single thing everybody thinks he is. And he finally broke free. I was really, really excited to see it because you pretty and pretty is hard to carry around. And also, no one wants to see pretty get old. Like pretty is hard. I know it's not hard, but then it's hard.

46:37Rob Lowe:What you're, you're very sweet to say it. And you're right. The silliness is, and that's why, again, with this show I'm trying to do is I need to have that in my life. I need to be a fool. Do you know what I mean? I do. I love that. What's the character in this? If you're playing different versions of your, not of you, but of the same character in different times. Well, what happened was my son got a, he kind of, the internet kind of fell in love with him trolling me. Yeah. And it became a thing. People talked about it on TV shows, newscasts, and it kind of became a thing. And so we were like, wow, people really like this.

47:26Rob Lowe:I wonder if there's any there there. And if so, what would it look like? and so we're like well we're not going to do a reality show about our relationship we're certainly not doing that and i don't think we should i we should be playing a sort of curb your enthusiasm where we're ourselves but we're not really ourselves i don't think i and then i'm like and i don't want to do anything about show business because i did the grinder and i love the grinder but um so what does it look like and so we're like okay what is the math of this equation that people are liking? What's the, what, what is the math in the equation?

48:02Rob Lowe:And it's me as a public figure that my son knows in a totally different light and can't really get his head around the fact that the world sees, doesn't see him, me in the way that he does. Yeah. And then the comedy version is I'm, he knows me to be an untethered buffoon, which by the way, might be the working title. Untethered buffoon. And the world sees me as this great savior. I'm going to play like an Elon Musk tech genius. Oh, so you're revered in this. Like people take you seriously. Oh, yes. Like I may, like literally I'm on the cover of Time Magazine. Will, you know, Ellis Ross save the world?

48:55Rob Lowe:Because I invented a way to harness carbon in a way that's never been harnessed before. Oh, I take that guy seriously, too. Okay. Do you know what I mean? But he's also the kind of guy that insists on taking meetings in his infrared sauna because when his bone marrow is warmer, he has more clarity. So he's kind of a little bit. Do you know what I'm saying? Yes. Oh, yes. And so John Owen knows that part of you and knows that part of this character. Yes. So it's kind of John Owen's show. Yes. I mean, you're the... He's the Liz Lemon and I'm the Alec Baldwin. Yeah. Okay. So it's really his journey we're on and you're the ever-fixed mark.

49:40Like, you're not moving.

49:41Rob Lowe:No, no, I'm not changing. And by the way, same with on Parks and Rec. Chris Traeger did not change. He's a joke. I want to play the joke machine. I've had enough character arcs. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I've had enough journeys. I just want to be the joke machine. And this is going to be, this is obviously, well, it's a, it's a comedy. So you don't know how long it has to be. Cause it's Netflix. It's like 30 minutes, like 40 pages. Cause they could do, you get to do whatever you want. Are you so excited to get to do whatever you want? So excited. I'm so excited to get to be a fool because I love being, being a, a, you know, traditional leading man.

50:16Rob Lowe:I love it. But, but, if I didn't have an outlet for the nerd fool in me, it would be a prison. By the way, on the same side of, if all I was was considered some lightweight comedy actor, I would be like, oh my God, I have some base notes. Right, right. You'd want to reach for the thing that nobody knows that you have in you. But people do know you have this in you. This is just your fun place. If you're going to show up and do this for hours and hours, and you're going to do this in addition to the Ryan Murphy metaverse. And that's what that phone call was, was like everybody negotiating how I'm going to do that.

50:54Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, I get it.

50:56Rob Lowe:This is like a very behind the scenes episode, literally. It's unfolding in real time. I feel like Wolf Blitzer. It's all unfolding in real time. It's happening right now. It's happening right now. By the way, can we just, Wolf Blitzer, okay? I wish he would stop. The Scud Stud. The Scud Stud. That was not Wolf Blitzer. That was some other - That was Wolf Blitzer. No, it was not. Ask your peanut gallery. This is a layup. It was the Scud Stud. I'm asking Schulte right now. No, he was a handsome, young. He wore like a version of a members only that was leather. Arthur Kent. So what was Wolf Blitzer's nickname then?

51:36I thought he was the Scud Stud.

51:37Rob Lowe:Wolf Blitzer is Captain Obvious. But back when. Yes, thank you for that report. War is bad. Thank you. And please be safe. It is certainly not safe when there are missiles in the air. Thank you. Like, literally, watch Wolf come out of a report, and he will tell you exactly what you've just seen. Which you just saw. That, of course, was the vice president speaking from the South Lawn. Yeah, we just saw it. Pretty much know that. We saw it. He's basically doing intros and outros. He literally is hosting, like, and next up. It's a story about a dead bird. Yes, and dead birds are sad when they're dead.

52:17Windows, bad for dead birds. Next up. But CNN's going to change now. We've got a new head of CNN.

52:25Rob Lowe:I think it's going to be more newsy maybe. Who knows? The new McLaughlin group is what Schultz is saying. The new McLaughlin group. McLaughlin. McLaughlin. I know. I know. It sounds like you're gargling with a dick. This has been so fun. How great is Ms. Bowen? That was Julie Bowen. What a minx. Julie Bowen, a modern family. Julie Bowen. She was here. She was in the podcast, and it was always funny. She was here. She was here. Has a podcast.

52:58Rob Lowe:Hello, I'm Wolf Blitzer, and you've just heard literally. It was a podcast, and it was hosted by Rob Lowe, and Julie Bowen was on it. And podcasts are heard through your ear holes. and certainly something that some find entertaining. We will be back next week. But first, the lowdown line. Hello, you've reached literally in our lowdown line where you can get the lowdown on all things about me, Rob Lowe. 3-2-3-5-7-0-4-5-5-1. So have at it. Here's the beep. Hey, Rob, this is Mike from Dayton. So here's the premise. I won this contest to have dinner at the Pine Club with you and another famous Daytonian.

53:58Rob Lowe:So who do we pick? Martin Sheen, Allison Janney, or Nancy Cartwright? And why? Thanks. Keep up the good work. Wow. I love hearing from my homies in Dayton. And I love me the Pine Club. i just like waiting in line at the pine club so the pine club is a steakhouse in dayton ohio it's in oakwood where i grew up i grew up all over dayton lived on the north side also lived in oakwood but the pine club is an institution and they're famous for the fact that they do not take reservations and they really get off on making you wait uh there there's pictures of like george bush cooling his heels while he's president to get a table that's their thing um been going there since I was a baby.

54:44Rob Lowe:There's one person on the list that I don't think you mentioned. Jonathan Winters. My dad practiced law on the Winters Tower. It's called the Winters Tower now. I think it's called something else. So I'm going to go with Jonathan Winters. Maybe it's because I've had so many dinners with Martin Sheen and Allison Janney. But Jonathan Winters, God rest him, one of the great comedians of all time. but that's a good row of Daytonians there I'm proud to be among them and the only thing is you need to go and wait for the table and then call me and then I'll come down I don't want to wait at the Pine Club for the table but I will eat the food thanks for calling we will be back next week what happens after the week you've been living through is over on literally thank you you've been listening to literally with Rob Rob Lowe, produced and engineered by me, Rob Schulte.

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