In short
Rob Lowe interviews Keegan-Michael Key about comedy, celebrity impressions, voice work, and their shared entertainment experiences, with detours into 80s hair, Prince, Joel Schumacher, NFL fandom, and famous “crazy” football names.
Guests
Keegan-Michael Key (Mad TV and Key & Peele; known for character work including Donna Meagle’s husband on Parks and Recreation; currently starring in Ryan Murphy’s movie Prom with Meryl Streep). Rob Lowe (host; actor; discusses his own career and impressions).
Key claims and notable examples
They dedicate the episode to director Joel Schumacher (St. Elmo’s Fire; also DC Cab and Batman & Robin). Key recalls a “shrimp-shrimp reduction” joke from Danny Glover via Morgan Freeman’s story about Shawshank Redemption. Key describes working with Ray Walston (The Stand) and Danny Glover’s set habits (eating prop food; “tin man” stiffness). They debate whether Prince was booed offstage after opening for the Rolling Stones in 1981 due to androgynous fashion. They discuss voice techniques (Morgan Freeman adding “gravel” for voiceover). NFL segment includes Key’s favorite names: DeBrickashaw Ferguson, DeColdest, Barquevious Mingo, Hutevious Mingo, and Peerless Price.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VORob Lowe Introduces Keegan Michael Key
0:45 to 2:49
Rob Lowe introduces his guest, Keegan Michael Key, and shares background stories.
“They said there's going to be a snapshot at the end, and then my vanity was like, oh, I better put on a shirt with a collar.”
Remembering Joel Schumacher
2:49 to 3:54
Discussion about the late Joel Schumacher and his impact on film.
“Oh, and by the way, we've recorded this episode back in, I believe it was the middle of May.”
Celebrity Basketball Memories
3:54 to 5:19
A humorous recounting of celebrity basketball games and Stoney Jackson's performance.
“I used to have quite a lot of hair, very fine hair.”
Filming Locations and Backlot Memories
5:19 to 6:32
Discussion about filming locations linked to iconic movies and TV shows.
“It was at the same time that Stoney Jackson did, not City on Fire, Michael Perret and Diane Lane.”
Joel Schumacher's Career Highlights
6:32 to 7:50
Exploration of Joel Schumacher's filmography with anecdotes.
“Not his, was not, now if we think about him now, you think it's not his typical bill of fare.”
Reflections on Iconic Actors
7:50 to 10:13
Discussion about various actors and their notable careers in film.
“Well, I auditioned for it and didn't get it.”
The Influence of Prince
10:13 to 14:00
Conversation about Prince, his impact on music, and personal anecdotes.
“Did you ever have any dealings with him?”
Exploring Voices and Impersonations
14:00 to 27:00
The hosts discuss the unique qualities of actor voices and the art of impersonation.
“He's got, George Thorogood, I feel, I always wonder, did he go through a similar regimen as Tom Waits to get that voice?”
Exploring Voices and Impersonations
27:01 to 27:58
The hosts discuss the unique qualities of actor voices and the art of impersonation.
“Summer always changes how you get dressed.”
Exploring Voices and Impersonations
28:59 to 29:21
The hosts discuss the unique qualities of actor voices and the art of impersonation.
“It's also available with 7-passenger seating and 2nd row captain's chairs.”
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Nostalgia for Brian's Song
29:21 to 30:29
The hosts discuss the impact of the movie 'Brian's Song' and their personal connections to it.
“Williams, can we just take a minute to give it up for Brian's song?”
Lions Fan Perspective
30:29 to 31:36
The conversation shifts to being a Lions fan and the challenges that come with it.
“But I am telling you, if you do nothing else with your life, I have to see that movie.”
Growing Up with Football
31:36 to 32:59
Discussion on growing up as a football fan in Ohio and rooting for different teams.
“I'm allowed to have my hometown team, an American League team.”
NFL Honors Experience
32:59 to 34:06
The hosts recount experiences from the NFL Honors awards and their connections to players.
“And that was, and dude, I was Lin Swan with the breakaway jersey with my Nerf football.”
Barry Sanders Discussion
34:06 to 36:40
A dive into the reasons behind Barry Sanders' retirement and Lions culture changes.
“I have friends on, but I'm a Lions fan through and through because let's say I'm 66 years old and the, and the Lions go to the Superbowl.”
Regional Team Loyalties
36:40 to 37:38
Exploration of football team loyalties based on regional affiliations.
“culture issue and they're addressing that right now, which I'm thrilled about.”
Favorite NFL Names
37:38 to 39:59
A light-hearted discussion on the most interesting names in the NFL.
“And so he showed me probably the first iteration of it.”
Bominicious Story
39:59 to 42:01
An entertaining story about a neighbor named Bominicious and a chance encounter.
“It's what you put in the flying, the mystery flying wing.”
The Story of Bominicious
42:01 to 43:50
Hear a humorous story about a neighbor named Bominicious and misunderstandings.
“So when I was at home in Detroit, a friend of mine told me a story years ago.”
The Story of Bominicious
43:51 to 45:15
Hear a humorous story about a neighbor named Bominicious and misunderstandings.
“Need to pay a friend back for festival tickets or a morning coffee run?”
The Story of Bominicious
45:18 to 45:52
Hear a humorous story about a neighbor named Bominicious and misunderstandings.
“Getting enough protein in the morning isn't easy.”
Language and Laughter in Movies
47:45 to 50:30
Discuss the evolution of comedy in movies, focusing on audience reactions.
“and the Marx Brothers film Animal Crackers was a show that they had done, they'd strung a plot together for the movie, but it was a show they had done on Broadway.”
Parks and Recreation Memories
50:31 to 51:35
Insights into the camaraderie and creativity on the set of Parks and Rec.
“Amy's actually a very big inspiration to me.”
Improvisation and Creative Freedom
51:36 to 54:49
Explore improvisation moments and the fun dynamics among cast members.
“But as you get to be a lead in a TV series, you have your own motorhome.”
Transcript
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0:58Hello! There he is. Oh, look at this. I put a collar on. I didn't need to put it. I know, look at you. They said there's going to be a snapshot at the end, and then my vanity was like, oh, I better put on a shirt with a collar.
1:08Rob Lowe:Oh, don't think I don't have vanity, bro. I've got, I mean, I'm up with, like, my wife's mascara, like, trying to get rid of the gray. Exactly. During corona, all the gray's coming in everywhere. My favorite part about all of this is seeing what celebrities just go, fuck it. Yep, yep. I haven't had much experience with it, but I... I know. Why am I talking about hair? I'm a terrible interviewer. What if we did that? What if we talk about hair for the full hour? You can see why I'm bad at this. I'm like, okay, your guest has no hair. Open up with hair talk. Let's talk about hair.
1:50Rob Lowe:This is going to be so fun today. Oh, by the way, I'm Rob Lowe, in case you didn't know. and you're listening to Literally with Rob Lowe, or is it Rob Lowe Literally? You'd think at this point, I'd know the title of my own podcast, and you'd be wrong. I hope you guys are having as much fun listening to the podcast as I am doing them. I knew that I might have fun. I had no idea that I would have as much fun as I've been having. And if you're enjoying it, if you could do me a favor, I'd love it if you would go over to Apple Podcasts and rate and review the show. because that is really how the word is spread.
2:28Rob Lowe:It helps the algorithm and people hear about us. And then we become a thing. And then I retire from acting. And then you don't ever see me again. What you're going to do is you're going to go to Apple Podcast and tell them you love the show. I would really appreciate it. Anyway, this is going to be great. Keegan Michael Key, come on. funny sports freak I mean mad TV Key and Peel talk about revolutionary and beyond genius but most importantly Donna Meagle's husband on Parks and Recreation I think that deserves the spotlight shined on it and the dude is starring with Meryl Streep right now in Ryan Murphy's new movie Prom and he's making me feel really inferior.
3:24Rob Lowe:Oh, and by the way, we've recorded this episode back in, I believe it was the middle of May. So there's a great story that we share about the amazing Joel Schumacher who directed St. Elmo's Fire. And in the interim, Joel passed away. So I'm dedicating this podcast to Joel. And it's so funny that he was on our minds even before he departed us. So that's why we don't talk about him passing away because he hadn't passed yet. But you're going to love this. Let's have a chat with this guy. I used to have quite a lot of hair, very fine hair. But I was a kid of the 80s. So I grew up, I was trying to rock that El Debarge Prince look, like the Purple Rain look.
4:12And I had, I mean, I had cans and cans and cans of mousse just to get some lift. But I didn't have any thickness. No thickness. It was very fine hair. So I could get it to go out. I had that look. I was rocking that look for about three years. Remember Stoney Jackson, the actor Stoney Jackson?
4:28Rob Lowe:Do I remember Stoney Jackson? Remember my man? My man Stoney Jackson dropped 43 points in a celebrity basketball tournament that I played in. He was a baller. 43 points? Yeah. Yeah. Stoney was nuts. In those celebrity games, very often 43 is the high score for one of the teams. I know. That's amazing. I had no idea. And he was a karate guy too, right? Yeah. God, it's so great that you bring him up. He was the best. I loved that guy. He was on, what was the show called, Rob? Profilers, The Protectors. There was a TV show he was on ABC for like a season and a half. That's right. It was him. And I think it was the guy who was like the bad guy.
5:10Oh, I'm going straight 80s here. Who was the bad guy in Dead Zone, that Christopher Walken, Stephen King movie. Yeah. There was a guy in that movie. He and Stoney Jackson were stars of this show. It was at the same time that Stoney Jackson did, not City on Fire, Michael Perret and Diane Lane. Oh, Streets of Fire. Streets of Fire. Streets of Fire and Willem Dafoe.
5:30Rob Lowe:Now it's all becoming clear to me. I'm remembering why Stoney would have been in sort of our orbit at that time because Streets of Fire was shooting at the same time as St. Elmo's Fire, Back to the Future. We were all on the back lot together. They were all at the universal back lot. The universal. The universal. Oh, you guys shot, did you guys shoot all of those street scenes on the back lot? Yes. Like the apartments and Demi's apartment and everything. All universal back lot. The apartment still exists, that fire escape. My favorite, Demi trying to commit suicide by air conditioner. By air conditioner.
6:04Rob Lowe:You know, as people do. Especially when you really, if you really hate yourself with that slow lingering death, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's on Warner Brothers. But all of the bar stuff, exteriors, was Universal. And they had tented Universal in because they didn't want to – Walter Hill did not want to shoot night shoots on Streets of Fire, which is all nights. So the entire back lot, the entire back lot was tented. For Walter? Yeah. Interesting, interesting. Oh, that's – wait a minute. Who directed St. Elmo's Fire? Joel Schumacher. Joel Schumacher. Joel Schumacher. Oh, my gosh. Not his, was not, now if we think about him now, you think it's not his typical bill of fare.
6:52But yeah, that's different that you did that kind of a personal, grounded human story. Well, I got one for you.
6:59Rob Lowe:Do you know Joel Schumacher's movie before it was? No, I know I don't. And I know this is going to be right in your wheelhouse. DC Cab. Mr. T. Come on. DC Cab. Joel Schumacher did DC Cab and Batman and Robin. In fairness, he may have just written it. He may have just written it. Okay. Somebody's doing the research. I know he either wrote it or directed it. But to me, the fact that that would be in his orbit at all, like his oeuvre, it's clearly he took a big shift in the mid-90s. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, and I love Joel. He was Joel was always so funny. He written by Joel. Devin just says Devin says written and directed by Joel Schumacher.
7:49DC cab. Well done. Good. Good. That's a deep dive, Rob.
7:53Rob Lowe:Well, I auditioned for it and didn't get it. We never forget those. You never forget the one that you didn't get. Right. Yeah. No, no. That role went to Gary Busey. Oh, right. Gary Busey, Mr. T. who else is in that movie you know because it was gutenberg time oh it's all but when is it not yeah it's always gutenberg time wait a minute was it 309 p.m pacific gutenberg time yeah uh he it wasn't him but there's a guy in the movie who's like a gutenberg archetype gutenberg prototype but i can't remember i can't remember zach galligan is it zach galligan maybe it's zach galligan from kremlins i think it might be zach galligan guys look at look at rob low Oh, dig in.
8:37I think it's Zach Gallagher. I'm not, I'm going to stay on, I'll stay on my manners and I'm not going to Google it.
8:44Rob Lowe:Listen, I'm not going to Google it. I only remember the actors of whom I hid in their girlfriend's closets when they came home from work. That's the only way I. Brian Dennehy. Oh, yes. William Devane. William Devane. Martin Cove. Burt Young. Oh my God, Burt Young. Burgess Meredith. Burgess Meredith, all this, yeah. Ray Walston, all this. I worked with Ray Walston. You know, and I mean, Mr. Hand, among other things. Yes, yeah. And I worked with him on Stephen King's The Stand. Oh, yeah, yeah. Which, by the way, people should watch that right now. I mean, since we're going through this. Very apropos at this very moment.
9:31Yes, exactly.
9:32Rob Lowe:And it's very dated, but it's also really, really good. and it's a really weird, cool cast, but Ray was in it and I was just in awe of him. And my favorite thing was that he loved to take all of the food and the silverware off the catering truck every day and take it back to his hotel. Like he couldn't get flatware at the hotel. I know. And maybe even better quality flatware. Yeah, he was... Listen, you don't survive as long as Ray Walston in this business without stealing a lot of silverware. You gotta steal some cutlery. or why are you even doing this? Why are you even in this industry? No, it's really true.
10:10Rob Lowe:In the 80s, so Prince, did you ever get to know Prince? Did you ever have any dealings with him? I never got to meet him. I never got to meet him and I never got, and the funny thing is we both grew up in the Midwest. I'm from Michigan and you're from Ohio, which I think of as the proper Midwest, but also the gateway to the East. Yes, 100%. If you're getting over to Youngstown and you're getting toward Pennsylvania, that's the East to me. 100%. If you ask an Iowan or a Nebraskan or a Missourian, Michiganders and Wisconsinites and they're not Midwest. We're not Midwest. We're the. Oh, no. We're the North.
10:45Yes. 100 percent. Illinois, Indiana, they all look at us. Go, no, no, no. That's the North. That's the right. But he's from, you know, he's from Minneapolis. Yeah. And and I always thought he must be and to this day is still the coolest person from Minneapolis. He's the coolest American that ever lived.
11:00Rob Lowe:But hang on, hang on, hang on. Walter fucking Mondale. Oh, that's true. Walter Mondale. Come on. Walter Mondale. That's right. I mean. Mondale Ferrero. I mean, you can't. Yes, you can't get past that. No, that's OK. I think of like, like, like funky, cool, iconic fashion forward. I'm going maybe with Walter Mondale. I'm going Mondale. Mondale. Those ties with those jackets. I know. You're right. You're right. He was on the vanguard. The vanguard of fashion. I love I love I also think for me it was my formative years but I think that was my favorite Prince era the the kind of Sergeant Pepper's jackets and the place I liked that better than Dirty Mind and Controversy I got that kind of he was doing because he was coming you know he was in a way like to me a bit of a black urban Bowie for sure so he had that androgynous thing going on And then Sign of the Times and all that stuff.
12:01I love all that stuff. But that Purple Rain era was so, it was just feckoned with creativity and potential of what he would be and the different varied types of genres of music he played on that one album. And the way I just I think it's he was he and his work were masterpieces during that time.
12:24Rob Lowe:One of the things I always like to remember, because it speaks so much about people's perception and staying your course in this business and being true to your art was I saw him open for the Rolling Stones. Wow. At the L.A. Coliseum. It would have been 1981. So he just would have had I want to be your lover. on the radio probably, right? Right, yeah, yeah, exactly, yep. And it was George Thorogood, Prince Rolling Stones, and he got booed off the stage, Prince. Did he really? 100%. Oh my gosh. Which, like, it sounds, it's one of those memories where I look back, you ever have memories you look back on and go, no, you must have misperceived that.
13:12Rob Lowe:Yeah, right, exactly. You're being affected, You're being, somehow you're experiencing the Mandela effect right now because that didn't happen. You're going, there's no way that happened. People were throwing things. Oh. And it wasn't because he was bad. It was like that, for that demo, that time, people were like, and I remember he was uber androgynous on this one. Like it was fishnets, high heels. It was like uber, uber, uber androgynous prints. Right. He was wearing the bustier. The bustier, yes. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Right. And people were not having it. They were not having it. In L.A., no less.
13:51In L.A. But you're right. The demographic is stiff. George Thorogood's demographic. Closer to the Stones. I drink alone. Bow-do-do, bow-do-do. Made by Jack Daniels and Jim Jenner. Whatever the fuck that song is. He's got, George Thorogood, I feel, I always wonder, did he go through a similar regimen as Tom Waits to get that voice?
14:12Rob Lowe:You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I know. They just smoke their lives away. Exactly. Because that's, how do you just talk like that regularly? How's that your regular voice? You wake up in the morning and go to bed and that's still your voice. That's something else. I like people who have acting voices. Do you know people like that who are like, you meet particularly young up and coming actors and they talk like we're talking right now. Like, yeah. Are you ready for me on the set? Okay, great. What time's lunch going to be? Great. Okay. Okay. And ready and action. I'm not going to do that.
14:45It's like the Christian Bale effect, the Christian Bale. Yes, exactly. Yeah. I heard Morgan Freeman on a director's commentary one time for Million Dollar Baby, and he was saying that he actually was putting gravel into his voice for all the narrative stuff, for all the voiceover. And I'm like, you're putting gravel into your voice? Oh, I did not know. I always thought the guy was talented. I'm like, oh, so that's a choice. You're doing that. I just thought that that was naturally how he started. He even said he has a VO. There was an atmosphere, a mood that he wanted to give to all the VO he was doing.
15:23And he kind of said, and he also, he said, in a manner of speaking, he was impersonating Clint. Wow. So he was trying to do his own thing and impersonate Clint and do this hybrid voice. That was a little different than, you know, a voice when he's just standing there being the trainer. You know, which is a different feel. It has a little more, a little more tenor. a little, he's got, there's a little more tenor to his voice, you know? That's the thing people go, ooh, it sounds like Morgan, you know, because he's got more tenor than you think. It's so good.
15:48Rob Lowe:You know? I could listen to you do impersonations all fucking day long. Oh, that's sweet. I love all your impersonations. They're so, there's something about impersonations that I just, I don't know, it's like seeing a dolphin in nature or hearing a baby's laugh. It just releases a pheromone. Isn't that funny? I can do the former and I can't do the latter. What does that say about me? But I thought that it was fun when I was on Mad TV. I always I I worked really hard at trying to find for me doing impersonations is very much usually it's trying to find an amalgam of two voices and or finding whatever that neat vocal habit is.
16:37Rob Lowe:Yes. Yes. You know what? Before I tell you that, I want to tell you something else. I'm not sure if this is true. I heard this secondhand. So Danny Glover, I can do a Danny Glover impression. And this is a story about, so my Danny Glover story is, I know Morgan Freeman was making a show recently talking about his films. And so Danny was like, Danny was going.
17:10You brothers are funny. You brothers are funny. So Morgan Freeman told a story on the show that he was doing that when Danny Glover had seen Shawshank Redemption and had come to him to tell him how much he enjoyed Shawshank Redemption. And he walks up to Morgan and he goes, I gotta tell you, man, I started moving that. You were so good in the shrimp-shrimp reduction. I'm sorry, the shrimp-shrimp? You're telling me I'm in the shrimp-shrimp reduction. You were so good in the shrimp-shrimp reduction. The shrimp shrimp reduction. It's okay. The shrimp shrimp reduction. I was not aware that I did two movies last year.
17:59Oh, my God. Shrimp shrimp reduction.
18:06This is Jordan Pills, Danny Glover. Riggs, Riggs, Riggs, Riggs. No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Riggs, Riggs, Riggs. There's a bomb. On my dick.
18:23That's the best! The fact that he can get that... You got a tattoo? A tattoo like Popeye? Like Popeye? You got a tattoo like Popeye? He says Popeye 74 times in 3 seconds to the little boy because he's trying to see if someone has a tattoo like Martin Riggs' tattoo.
18:53Rob Lowe:I'm going to go back. Oh my God. I'm going to go back and look at that. You'll love it. I worked with Danny on, well, first of all, I used to do, I, when I was younger, I was really, really, really, really, really, really, really deep political active. And, and, and I was on that circuit with all those guys. And, um. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We were all just to the left of Che Guevara. And then years later, I worked with him on Brothers and Sisters, and he was playing Sally Field's Love Interest. I love it. Who also was my campaign manager as I was running for president or whatever I was doing.
19:33Rob Lowe:He took three hours to get from his trailer to the set. But he left when they said leave. Really? He wasn't like. Oh, he wasn't holding up in the trailer. He was definitely making his way to set. He's a total pro. Yeah. But he's the fucking tin man.
19:58Rob Lowe:He literally... Pre-oil. Is like... Pre-oil. He is a very stiff human. Oh, yeah. He's kind of... Yeah, yeah. Yes, the mobility is a factor. There's not a lot of mobility. And he's in great shape. Like he looks like a billion dollars. Still, you're saying, our brothers and sisters, and that's 10 years? Five years ago? Five years ago? Yeah, 10 years ago. A fish and shasha years ago? Yeah. Five years ago. He also eats everything. Justin, really? So brothers and sisters was totally predicated on us eating all the time. I hated it. It was like, I signed up for a show where I got to run for president.
20:46Rob Lowe:I ended up on a show where all I did was bake waffles with Sally Field. Anyway, so the, he would eat, you know, food on a set as, as you know, it's supposed to be there for 18 hours. Sometimes you stop, you don't even finish the scene and you walk away and you come back the next day it's the same food oh no oh yes but yes yes yes no Danny seen the next yes Danny didn't I guess that he must have never eaten in his previous movies I guess not yeah so he just he would just dig in oh he ate everything just dig in prop food your prop food he'd eat off your plate and then it would be like he would he would go to like the one of the little p.a.s hot dogs there was a hot dog at the craft service Rob and they would bring him chili dog oh I'm sorry it was chili dog chili dog chili dog oh that's okay you just made the story quantum better that was let me get one of them chili pops that's amazing you're like I'm sorry Mr.
21:56Glover chili pops a Coca-Cola a Coca-Cola Mr. Oh, by the way,
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22:05Rob Lowe:and I'll get into that, but my last Danny thing, he's like, he's very similar to the actor Edward James Olmos, who I've also worked with. Yeah, I love Eddie. I worked with Eddie too, yeah. Fucking best. The best. The best. First of all, they're great actors. They're just, they're great. Full of integrity. Full of integrity, but he's also the kind of guy that will like hold up production while he's on the phone talking to a third world dictator. No, yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. Guys, I'll be there in a second with Maduro. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 100%. Talking to Maduro. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so he said, he said, you know,
22:43that's all you hear. It's clearly a movie from 19... Oh, it just popped in. Another great I can do. Another great. Yes. The one and only, Billy Dee Williams. Billy Dee Williams did Key and Peele, and where he was... It was a great... It was a fun little concept. we did a sketch where we're hanging at the laundromat. I'm an old uncle. I'm like a Dana Glover type of character. My nephew is over here at the laundromat with me. I was like, hey, man, what's going on? He's the uncle. I'm sorry. He's the uncle. I'm the nephew. We've played so many uncles and nephews and brothers and sisters. So he was the uncle.
23:18And he's like, hey, man, what's going on, Nate? And I was like, hey, not much, Uncle Darnell. He's like, man, you know everything's popping off right here at the laundromat. And I was like, and so he's trying to make the laundromat the barbershop in the African-American community. And so eventually I'm trying to be a good nephew and stick around with my uncle. And it's just the doldrums. It's abjectly depressing. And then across the street is a barbershop. And the guys are having the time of their lives. And at one point in time, I'm like talking to my uncle. I'm like, hey, it's going to be okay, Uncle Donnell.
23:55Holy shit, that's Lando. And I see, I see Billy Dee Williams across the street. So while we're shooting, so that's the sketch. So while we're shooting, I'm coming out of my trailer one day and Billy's driving up, he's driving up in his, like his S class, very tasteful black Mercedes. Not too much, not too little. Not too much, not too little. Nice car, luxury vehicle, but not, you know, not too soupy, not too snazzy. Gets out of his car, black linen shirt, loose black linen pants, loafers with the weaving in them, right? And a beautiful collared scarf. We're talking about a two to three and a half inch thickness, right?
24:32Just a nice cravat. Yes, a cravat, if you're loosely tied. Devil may care. And he's walking out and he's like, how's it going? And our base camp PA goes, Mr. Williams, it's a pleasure to meet you. My name is Elliot. So your trailer will be over here. And we just wanted to know if you brought any wardrobe with you. Billy just turns and looks at Elliot and goes, you're looking at it and he just walks away he just goes you're looking at it and i mean it's he's the best but then he had a very hard out and i sometimes i'm wishy-washy rob like i'll have a hard out and then i'm i just turn into a marshmallow you know i do i give him another
25:12Rob Lowe:i know you know what it is it's the i say it's the midwestern people pleaser midwestern 100 no i'm not kidding you know 100 the mid i know i know it's in our it's in our dna it's so hard to overcome and then so i so billy had he had an out he had a heart out and we were in the we're in the shop we're in the in the barber shop and there unfortunately there was a clock a very prominent clock in the barber shop and so billy would just keep looking at the clock and peter peter was at video village about 25 yards away right and the door is open so peter could hear us talking in there and billy just turns he looks at the clock and he's like pete i don't know what to tell you buddy but i gotta go and he's like what p what time is it because billy it's about 120 oh man hard out 130 i gotta go i gotta go hey and then and then and then we're like people are almost there like one more setup billy he goes all right sounds good and he turned to me and go it's that freeway right there it's not the 110 of the 10
26:24he's like I gotta make my way to Santa Monica gotta be there at 2 15 p.m. Pete! Gotta go! I gotta go! I mean but that velvet you know oh my god you know you're a baller when you just hey you walk out of your car in your clothes you get on the van in your clothes you get on set in your clothes, you shoot in your clothes, and you go home in your clothes.
26:51Rob Lowe:Dude, Adam Sandler made a career out of it. Yeah, exactly.
27:00Rob Lowe:Hold that thought. We'll be right back.
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29:21Rob Lowe:By the way, so Billy D. Williams, can we just take a minute to give it up for Brian's song? Oh, God. Oh, my gosh. I mean, I have a theory that of a certain demographic, the first time you cried as a male was watching Brian's song. Always. always you said as a male for me it would have been you know reruns on a movie so it would have been my formative years but that's when you certainly don't want to cry yes i'm a little older than you and when that movie came on with a brand song with with james con james con oh and it's just those movies open you up okay now i'm gonna and i'm gonna okay i'm just gonna do i'm gonna confess i'm gonna confess it's not because i'm a lions fan but i'm gonna confess anyway as big a sports fan as I am, as much as I love a tearjerker, I'm going to admit it right here on the podcast.
30:13I've never seen Brian's song. Oh, no. Oh, no. I've never seen it. I said, oh, no. I'm not afraid. I know who I am. Look, I'm going to say it. I've missed that one.
30:22Rob Lowe:Look, I know it's a movie about the Chicago Bears, so you're going to have to hold your nose. It's hard for me. I understand. I understand. But I am telling you, if you do nothing else with your life, I have to see that movie. I got to see that movie. You have to see that movie, those two in that movie. It's really dated and really funny. It's a great look at what football was like. Yes. Like you and I, I'm a big football guy like you. And to look back on what, you know, Coach Hallis and the whole, it's awesome. Oh, that's right. Because he was still alive and coaching at that time. That's right.
31:01That's right. That Papa Bear was still there.
31:04Rob Lowe:How do you survive as a Lions fan? How do you live with yourself? You know what I mean? Here's the thing. I am by nature an optimistic person, innately. So that's really the only way. The funny thing is I'm a glutton for punishment. For the longest time in my life, my mother came from, my mother's from Illinois. My grandfather was a White Sox fan, but I liked the Cubs, and I wanted to root for the Cubs. My grandfather would watch the Cubs games and the White Sox games. So I was a Cubs fan and a Lions fan. The Cubs gave me hope. And of course, I'm a Tigers fan, but I feel like I'm allowed to have an AL team and an NL team.
31:42I'm allowed to have my hometown team, an American League team. I'm also allowed to have a National League team. Now, you're from Ohio. From Dayton. You're Dayton. So are you a Bengals fan?
31:52Rob Lowe:Here's what's interesting. Hell fucking no to that. Okay. Although with Joe Burrow going there, who I met, he's awesome. I ran into him. He's a good kid? He's a great kid. Yeah. Got his head on straight. He's awesome. And he does legitimately look like a young Tom Brady. We'll see, obviously. Yes, we'll go. Yeah, definitely his strides and his dropbacks, he looks like Brady. Yeah, he's got similar mechanics to Brady. And it seems like a similar temperament to Brady. But if you're from Dayton, do you typically root for the Browns or for the Bengals? It's in the middle, I know. It's in the middle.
32:37Rob Lowe:And here's what's weird. In the era I grew up there would have been from when I was born in 64, and I lived there until late 75. So we were— Brian Sype? He was just after. Just after you left. And I liked Brian Sype. No, you know, we were Steelers fans. Really? Yeah. I mean, you think about it. Pittsburgh is not that far away. Not that far. Not that far. And that was, and dude, I was Lin Swan with the breakaway jersey with my Nerf football. Come on, man. Oh, me too. Lin Swan was my hero. Swanee. Here's the thing. I went to the NFL, my wife went to the NFL Honors. So I hosted the NFL Honors about three years ago.
33:17And my wife was the -
33:18Rob Lowe:By the way, that show is great. I presented one year. I don't remember. It was great. It's such a great evening. Yeah. Yeah. It is a great – it's like being in a candy shop. So my wife L was the head writer, so we got to work with all of the – she put the program together, and we're both football fans. I've married a football fan. She's a giant – Smart man. Smart. Yeah, I know. Makes life so much easier. So much easier. It does, man. I mean, she's there in the couch next to me, and I just looked at her awningly. I'm like, I love you so much. You're watching the draft. She's like, watch the draft.
33:47I told you to come in here watching the 23rd overall picks happening. so um and she's just and also she's we so uh we have become good friends with um some you know with certain players and people who work at on certain organizations so we can text like the president of the lions and stuff like that which is really great it's great to know those people and be involved in that community in that way but it's it's the here's the thing if i never stopped if i i'm trying to answer your question rob if i cheated and i said oh forget it i'm gonna go root for an AFC team or a different, I have other NFC teams that I root for.
34:25I have friends on, but I'm a Lions fan through and through because let's say I'm 66 years old and the, and the Lions go to the Superbowl. I want to be able to be one of those guys who has that story, but I've been a fan since Billy Sims played for them as rookie of the year in the league in 1980. And, and that I've, I've been watching since Jeff Chandler, Billy Sims, Eric Hipple to this day. And that I will, the losing is almost, it's almost delicious if they ever get to the promised land.
34:57Rob Lowe:Okay. So then you can answer this question. Why did, and this is awful because he's one of the most famous running backs of all time and I'm drawing a blank. Barry Sanders. Thank you. Suddenly retire with when he was, because here's what I heard. I heard he retired because he respected Walter Payton so much that he didn't want to break his record. That has to be bullshit. I call bullshit on that. that me too but you've heard it have you heard i've heard that that story i think it's apocryphal and not true right i mean it's definitely apocryphal but it's not true yeah and i feel like even though and the reason that's here's how i think the story got perpetuated because he is such a mild-mannered and soft-spoken person that that somehow someone feels that that means he's not competitive he's an extremely competitive person i've been at football games with him and his own way.
35:47There's this fierceness that simmers underneath that you used to see in the cuts and the moves. I also believe that there was a bit of a toxic environment in the Detroit Lions organization at that time. And that environment no longer exists. Some players were frozen out and we're not asked. They're not treated like a lump. And now the culture that's there now with Rod Wood and Bob Quinn, the general manager. And I love Coach Patricia. He's a smart, smart, smart guy. Oh, yeah. Brilliant guy. They're trying to bring all the older players back into the fold. They want them to feel like they have the opportunity to mentor.
36:25The two best players the Lions have had in the last 30 years, both left after nine seasons when they were still in their prime, Calvin and Barry and both mild mannered guys. So that to me tells me there's some small culture issue and they're addressing that right now, which I'm thrilled about. Absolutely. That's so great. Yeah.
36:45Rob Lowe:Cause there, I mean, it's a great, it's a great franchise and you know, you'd love to see them do it. Maybe, maybe the bangles will be the same, the bungles. The bungles, the bungles. Right. It's so funny that I didn't, I only noticed right now that you were surrounded by a triangle of three AFC teams. Yeah. So you root for the Steelers, but then the Bengals are there and the Browns, all AFC teams. And the same thing, it's in my area, it's a battery of NFC teams because Detroit and Chicago are about five hours away from each other by car. And it's funny how those had happened regionally like that.
37:17How did you, so just a quick sidebar.
37:20Rob Lowe:So I got turned on to the whole, the East West Bowl stuff by my buddy, Chris Pratt. We were working on Parks and Rec. And we got to talk about that in a minute too. Yes, yes, yes. And Pratt was laughing his ass off, just screaming on his phone. I go, what is this? He goes, you got to see this. And so he showed me probably the first iteration of it. What is your favorite crazy real NFL name? I think hands down, I'm going to give you one and then I'm going to give you an honorable mention. By the way, the fact that you have a hands down one has me so excited. I have a hands down and I have a second, but that's based purely on nostalgia because the second person, his name is a favorite of mine and dear to my heart because he's the reason we wrote the sketch.
38:12So, okay. So number one, a former Cleveland Brown, Barkevius Mingo. I think Barquevious Mingo is a masterpiece of a name. And by the way, he has a brother. I don't know if he played in the league or not, but his name is Hutevious Mingo. Come on. H-U-G-H-T-A-V-I-O-U-S. Hutevious Mingo and Barquevious Mingo. Now, the second, the honorable mention, the runner-up is, of course, DeBrickashaw Ferguson. First of all, if your first name is Jim or Bob and your last name's Ferguson, just Ferguson is already spicy. In the normal name world, spicy enough.
38:58Rob Lowe:DeBrickashaw? Amazing. That is so, okay, my favorite for sure. Yes. He's so famous now that the name is almost, you forget how insane it is. Right. Plaxico Burris. Plaxico, of course. Plaxico Burris. Plaxico. Plaxico. Plaxico, which which could it could be two things. It's like bad dentistry in Mexico. Yes. Or it sounds like it in a way sounds as if he could be the name of a company that sells like high end plastics. Yeah. Or it's actually he's plastic himself. Like I thought, is it one of those things where like mom was like, you know what? My son is going to be a badass. He is going to ruckus people in the NFL.
39:48Rob Lowe:He's going to be tough as shit and a warrior. And he's going to be made of gnarly Plaxico. And they're not going to, like, Plaxico, it sounds like an essential, tough element. Right? It's Area 51 shit. It's Area 51 shit. Oh. It's what you put in the flying, the mystery flying wing. Exactly. It's like, guys, we have a 2.6 on the Plaxico meter. Are you down to clown with the coldest to ever do it? the coldest to ever do it oh wait a second he's a high school senior high school going who's going to lsu i believe um this next year the coldest check it out read it read it get yeah oh i now i understand i'm reading oh it's d-e accent mark c-o-l-d-e-s-t my man's first name is DeColdest.
40:39I mean, that's amazing. I think it should just jump to the top of the list for me. DeColdest is my shit. DeColdest to ever do it. Hi, I'm DeColdest. Hi, I gotta go, okay? I gotta go. You're looking at it. Here's the toughest one. Here's the toughest one. Here's some pressure. What was my girl thinking when she named her son peerless price wide receiver for the buffalo bills you can't like okay so plexico that's
41:15Rob Lowe:inspiring here's my here's my thing on that here's my thing on that she's got the alliteration going which is not common that's not a lot of alliteration in these you're right actually they go they usually try to go divergent with saps so so i think the the uh the alliteration is pleasing to the ear. And peerless is actually a nice word. I like that. Yes. But what the connotation. Now, there's two ways to look at it. The positive way is to say he's going to be peerless. We're naming him peerless. And the other connotation is you'd better be peerless. See, I get it's a baller move. I get. You get baller move, yeah.
41:54Rob Lowe:Like if you want to draft him. Yeah. Then the price will be peerless. His name should be peerless priceless. Right. Yes. Peerless price point. Peerless price point. Yeah. Peerless price hike. Oh, I got another one. So when I was at home in Detroit, a friend of mine told me a story years ago. That's my favorite story. A guy, her brother was moving into a building in Detroit and he had a hard time getting this chair up the stairs. And this this older African-American gentleman came out and helped him with the chair and get it into his apartment. and he said, oh God, thanks so much, man. I really appreciate it.
42:29And he said, hey man, anytime you need some help, I'm here for you, man. You just call me Bominicious. And this guy's name was Kevin. And he was like, oh, okay. It's a pleasure to meet you, Bominicious. And he lived in this apartment for three years and he saw Bominicious every day. And then when he finally moved out of the apartment, the guy said to him, the guy, he said, hey, Kevin, man, let me ask you a question, man. You're moving out and it was good having you as a neighbor. I was glad to meet you, get to know you a little bit but I have a question for you bro you live in this building three years every time you see me you call me Bominicious now what the hell is that all about he said the first day we met that's what you told me to call you he said no boy I told you to call me Bominicious
43:20I just want someone to hear the story and one day named their child Bominicious Ferguson. That's a quarterback name. That is an SEC quarterback name.
43:34Rob Lowe:100%. SEC quarterback name. That guy goes to Mississippi State. Bominicious. Yeah. Bominicious Ferguson. Three touchdowns on the day. Career day.
43:46Rob Lowe:And we'll be right back after this.
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45:53Now I have to ask you a question about language and pronunciation of words. Did you learn, first of all, I don't know if it was Cantonese or Mandarin, what language were you speaking in Wayne's World? That is actually Cantonese.
46:10Rob Lowe:It's not Mandarin. It's Cantonese. Did you learn it? Did you learn it phonetically? I did. I learned it phonetically. I had a tape that I had to listen to. Yeah. And to this day, sometimes people who speak Cantonese will stop me on the street and hit me with Cantonese. I'm like, I can order cream of some young guy. I can do that. That's the top of my skill list. I love Mike Myers so much. I love Mike Myers. I just thought it was great. And I just think that he's wonderful. I just think that he's wonderful. And I love that they broke with him. You did two movies together. When we did, when we, the first time they previewed Wayne's World.
46:59Rob Lowe:Yeah. When he said cream of some young guy, they laughed so hard and so long, they had to go back and recut the movie. That's what's, you know, it's really interesting about movies today. I wonder. Really? In the day where comedies were movies and you really only saw them in movie theaters. That's right. And maybe a year later it would be on, you know, Showtime or HBO. Right. It's not that far away. I mean, Wayne's World is in this era I'm talking about. Oh, 100%. Yeah. You would literally have to cut pauses for the audience to laugh. That's right. Like, it's interesting. They used to do that.
47:36You know, we were texting with Mike yesterday. and Mike and I have actually had, and we're very good, we're good friends and we were having that conversation about classic movies and the Marx Brothers film Animal Crackers was a show that they had done, they'd strung a plot together for the movie, but it was a show they had done on Broadway. So it was a review in a way or a vaudeville review. And because they had honed it so well, they cut pauses into that movie all over the place because they knew exactly where the laugh lines were and the duration of the laughs because they had done the stage show for those bits, those routines for a couple of years on Broadway.
48:16And I think it's fascinating that you don't see that anymore. The Nutty Professor, the remake, the Tom Shadiac remake with Eddie Murphy. In the first dinner scene, you have to go back and see the movie. I don't care how much pausing they put in that. You have to see that movie in the movie theater twice, at least. There's no way about it. Too much rolling laughter. Too much rolling laughter.
48:36Rob Lowe:It's just the rolling laughter. If you watch if you watch next time Wayne's World is on TV. Yeah. Just notice that moment. And and literally he says, I love the cream of some young guy. And then it cuts to like Dana just nodding. One thousand, two, one thousand, three, one thousand, four. Like, what the fuck? Jesus. And it's interesting. I'm going to look out for that now because they covered it organically with with Garth laughing at it. Yeah. Sniggering at it. Right. Yeah, exactly. 100 percent. But like you don't we consume things so so rarely just in theaters anymore. I wonder if people are are still taking that into account like a crowd's rolling laughter as opposed to three people sitting in a living room.
49:21Yeah, I know. I think that part of it, we we would show all of our sketches. We would screen all of our sketches at our interstitial tapings. We would do two days or three days of interstitial tapings for Key and Peele for the first two seasons. and it was always helpful but then that crowd was already so young and that's that's um six years ago seven years ago that crowd watching the show is already you know anchored to these phones sure so that you're going we took a lot of pride in programming and curating the order of the sketches and where the interstitials would come in and how they came out and what we would start with what What was the lead in?
50:03What's the credential scene? What's going to be the blow? We did all that work. And I always still to this day, I wonder if it's helpful in this day, in this era. I wonder if it's helpful. A sketch show like SNL in 1975, as opposed to a sketch show like SNL now or Upright Citizens Brigade. Those shows, I still wonder. I mean, they were always crafting it for the role, for the role. And now it's so much more fractured now. I don't know that we need to do it.
50:31Rob Lowe:what um tell me about perks and recreation we missed each other because i think you came in i know we didn't see each other i think you came in the last well it was i had ann perc and perkins and i had moved to michigan you must have been happy about that yes always always happy when a character moved to michigan yes um um we i had the time of my life and i i love retta i just love retta first because i did all my scenes with you i played her husband and um and it's fun to be around. It's always fun to be around Amy. Amy's actually a very big inspiration to me. I just mentioned up at Citizen Brigade, her colleague, Ian Roberts, was one of our showrunners on Key and Peele.
51:08And such a lovely, friendly set. But it's one of those sets that you know is because that group has spent so much time together. And I remember the day, first of all, I loved the Mojo, the fact that people would stay in that motorhome. I thought that was such a great...
51:25Rob Lowe:The Moho is unbelievable. So folks listening, it's traditional on these shows, on any show, every actor has their own place to stay. And if you're a young actor, you might be packed into three little mini apartments called a Winnebago or whatever. But as you get to be a lead in a TV series, you have your own motorhome. Your own motorhome. Your own trailer. Yeah. But on Parks and Rec, we had the Moho. And that was one trailer, and we all shared it. And it was great. It was such a great idea to have that community, have everybody be there together like that. And I remember Aubrey and I having such a good time improvising on set.
52:06I do this often sometimes and maybe more often than I should, where I'll when when you cut the house, I won't come out of character. I'll play a character in the scene. And then if I start a nice improv groove with somebody, I'll play a character when they say cut with that person. And I remember Aubrey Plaza was my acting coach. And she also happened to be in the show I got hired on. So she was like the desperate acting coach who could never get a real gig. It's amazing. So we had our own little storyline that we were only doing for us. And it was me and Aubrey. And so, you know, they say action and we do the scene and it was cut.
52:46She's like, okay, not exactly what I was looking for. Listen, the direct, what the director is telling you, I would take more as guidelines than anything else. So great. We'd just go back and forth. And it was so great. It was so much fun, but, but that set engendered that kind of imagination and fun.
53:06Rob Lowe:We were just staying in the moho. I remember my, my favorite moho set thing was, there was a moment when you have to Google it because it's so good. Brad Pitt did a much reviled Gucci ad. Do you remember this? I remember. Where he's like talking gibberish. And it was before Matthew McConaughey stole that whole raison d 'etre for commercials. Yeah, exactly. And so we recreated it. We wrote it. We reshot it. I played Pitt, of course. Right, right, right. And we shot that in the Moho. And that's what we did on our time off. We were making fun of people and shooting stupid fake commercials. Shot it in the moho.
53:47I love it. I absolutely love it.
53:49Rob Lowe:Yeah, I think Aziz came up with a, because the lighting is so weird in it if you watch it. Aziz came up with a flashlight and a water bottle that if you crinkled the water bottle, it put these sparkles on my face. It was like - Yeah. Amazing. That's absolutely amazing. I know Pratt has it on his phone. It's one of those things that like, I've got to figure out a way to steal it. This is where I need the Russians to collude. I might be able to help. That's the stuff I want off the internet. I will make that me and my wife's mission that we will get that video from Pratt. Will you do that? I think I might have an in.
54:24Rob Lowe:He loves you, as you know, he's a massive fan. And we are massive fans of him. I just adore him and his. But I know I know his mother-in-law, so I know. And as do you, as do you. Yeah. Yes, of course. How do you know Maria? How do you know Maria? um i we are our kids are uh contemporaries of one another i see our family the that the schwarzenegger shrivers are like the lowe's second family and vice versa they they they speaking of engendering things that that family does that that family at large does that they're very good about you know we've we have lots of friends in the within the family and it's and it's uh they treat you so beautifully and they're just the loveliest loveliest people yeah oh my face hurts from smiling and laughing.
55:13Rob Lowe:I mean, he is, what a lovely man. And just, just that energy, just even coming off of the computer and the microphone, overwhelmingly fun and positive and awesome. I'm going to now spend the rest of my day thinking of more names for NFL players. I know you are. Come on. Because you are DeColdest. You, my dear listener, are DeColdest to ever listen. Thank you, and I will see you next time on Literally With Me, Rob Lowe.
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