Kevin Bacon: The Lonely Farmer (Re-Release)

25:44Rob Lowe:He'd be like, are you there? Like one of those things, which was hilarious. The thing kept asking for pizza. Pizza pie, it kept saying. It was both really super absurd, but also really scary. I wish that I'd kept that house up. That would have been a great episode. I would have been there in a minute. Celebrity haunted house. So how much time do you divide between the city and Connecticut? The truth is, is when there's work happening, we go where the work is. And, you know, Kira, I know she needs to connect with the city at least once a week. Well, I mean, if she's on the road or shooting in LA or whatever, no.

26:30But if we're here, she wants to connect with the city once a week. When I met her, I had broken up with the girl and I was living up here alone with a dog. And just me and the dog would go off to shoot movies and stuff. But my whole point of view was that I wanted to be a lonely farmer with a dog.

26:57Rob Lowe:Yes. And this was my self-image. It's going to be me and the dog and my horses and that's it. And I meet this woman and fall in love and we start to, you know, build this family. And I was like, okay, I'm the lonely farmer and you're the lonely farmer's wife. And she's like, no. Have you met me? No. She went for it for about, probably like four or five years or something like that. And, you know, our kids were being raised here. Her daughter was born in the hospital here. And my son was in school. And finally, she sat me down and she said, guess what? We're going back to the city. And it was the biggest fight we ever had.

27:44We fought about it forever. I mean, a lot of it was that I was feeling like undue financial pressure. And I didn't feel like things were going so great career-wise. And then the idea of actually going into New York and trying to find a place to live where we could all live together, you know, enough bedrooms and stuff. I was like, we were just evening out, you know what I mean? And now we're going back to, you know, trying to struggle for putting enough work together to cover this mood. And, you know, it was short-sighted for sure. She was 100 % right. As usual, we moved back to the city and raised our kids in the city.

28:31It was like the greatest thing that we ever did. I mean, they loved growing up in New York. They're both Angelinos now, but they loved growing up in New York. We would come up on the weekends. But now it's pretty much 50-50. And we don't have any. Our last dog died probably about six months ago or something like that. A year, I don't know. And we decided, I don't know, never say never, but I don't really want another dog right now. But we have a whole bunch of other animals.

29:02Rob Lowe:See, I'm a big dog person. I have four dogs, almost. Four dogs. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, I have a pack. And, you know, they get older and one goes and you send them out and you bring in another. And we just keep it. We've always had like four dogs. That's great. Now that the kids are out of the house, they're the children. It's a cliche, but it's true because I don't have goats. I only got dogs. Well, listen, you know, goats and our pigs too are, all the animals, I mean, are incredibly happy to see us. And I think that that's one of the - A pig is happy to see you? A pig is. Oh my God. Yes. Oh my God.

29:42If they hear us even approaching the gate, they come charging across the field at top speed. for a pig. And we don't even have to have food. It's not always, I mean, it probably is motivated by food, but they love to be pet. And they both do this hilarious thing where you start to rub their belly and then they just, they kind of slow down, they slow down, and then they just hit the deck. They just fall right over and just say, okay, I'm good for the rest of the day with you rubbing my belly. That's all I need in this world. It's really cute. I mean, they're really -

30:28Rob Lowe:It's the best. I love that stuff. They're very sweet. My German shirt, Haired Pointer, we're renting on the beach right now because we're building another house. And he will swim miles into the ocean to chase birds. Miles, miles. And I've had to go rescue him. But the thing is, he'll come back, but it's really hard to watch your dog at the horizon line, literally at the horizon line from the beach. And he's going to get tired or a shark. There's great whites out there. Wow. And so, yeah, that's a strong, that is a strong instinct. And then the other thing, I'd forgotten about this until I was looking at a little research.

31:11Rob Lowe:We have Jack Russell's. And you know where I'm going with this one. I worked with Jack Russell. Let's leave it at that. But that's a good Jack Russell. Yeah. I want to tell you a story about that. It was while I was making a movie. I was making a movie in Lone Pine, California. And coming through Lone Pine, California is the aqueduct, which becomes, is either called the Los Angeles River or becomes the Los Angeles River. I know it well. It is basically, for people that haven't seen it, up there, it's probably about a 45-degree angle aqueduct made out of concrete that the water flows through, often very, very quickly and very, very cold.

32:06I had a dog. All my dogs have been mutts. But this particular one, Jane, was like your German short-hearted pointer, like a crazy, sticky bird dog type tracker, like really, really strong. And she absolutely had no fear and loved the water. And I go out with her. She's off the leash. And we're jogging pretty much through the desert up there. And she goes and jumps in the fucking aqueduct.

32:46Rob Lowe:Oh, boy. It's probably going 20 miles an hour, ripping. It's going so fast. and I look at her and I look at this thing and I'm running along the side of the river next to her and I go, I don't know how I'm going to be able to get this dog out. This is going to be impossible and I keep running and I keep running with her and now she's starting to like, you know, kind of, you know, she was like, never, never got upset but she's sort of starting to like whimper a little bit and I see a gate up in front of me where it's going to stop and it's going to go past this gate. I'm not going to be able to get through.

33:30I pull this gate open and try to squeeze myself through the inside of this thing, ripped my chest up, but I made it through the gate. Then I come up with some kind of crazy ass idea while I'm running that maybe I could build something quickly with my shoelaces that could be able, I don't know why. So I take my shoelaces off. So now I'm running barefoot because my sneakers wouldn't stay on. And finally up ahead, I see, I guess probably for saving drowned people, there is one ladder down the side of the aqueduct that's, you know, kind of built into the concrete, just, you know, pieces of metal. And there is a horizontal rope strung against across it.

34:23And then vertical ropes spaced probably about three feet apart that have knots tied on. No way. Yeah, which is literally there. What else could it be for? What else could it be for? To actually save probably mostly people.

34:39Rob Lowe:Right. So I take off like a shot to try to get some distance on her. I climb down into the water and start pulling myself out into the river, holding on to this rope. And I grabbed her as she's coming. I'm like, come on, Jane. Come on, Jane. She's like swimming, literally like paddling towards me as she's floating downstream. stream. I grabbed her by the collar and hoisted her up onto these, these little metal, like, I don't even know how, how I got this dog out of there, got out of there. And she shakes off and she picks up a stick and wants me to throw it for her. And I was like, you motherfucker, I almost died.

35:30And you want me to throw it? You're like, this is, that was fun. Can you throw it back in there for me that that's how cold in the water it was freezing it's freezing freezing cold i got back to the house the run had gone on longer than i think kira had expected and um i'm like i don't have my shoes you know i'm barefoot my chest is bleeding uh And I'm like, I got the dog.

36:00Rob Lowe:Where exactly were you again, Kevin? You're not going to believe, honey. You're not going to believe this story. But she's one of those dogs. I don't know if any of your dogs are like this that kind of have nine wives. You know, a lot of near-death experiences for her. I also like the way you, like me, I like human names for my dogs. Your dog's name was Jane. I'm a big believer in human names. I like Owen is the German short-haired pointer. Daisy is one of the Jack Russells. The other Jack Russell, I've had so many damn dogs, I can't remember their names now. But I like human names. I have a friend who named his dog Jerry Bruckheimer.

36:47Rob Lowe:Which, because he could say, oh God, Jerry Bruckheimer is shitting in the grass again. It was John Lovitz. It was John Lovitz named his.

36:57that's funny.

36:58Rob Lowe:Celebrity dog names would be pretty sick. Yeah. This is no disrespect, but our pigs are named June and Johnny. June and Johnny, no disrespect. That would be good to have a dog like Clint Eastwood, dog named Clint. There you go. Did you ever ski with Clint? No, have you? I have. Yeah, he must have. I'm sure, is he a good skier? He doesn't, I think he doesn't, he finally stopped skiing. Mm-hmm. And it was one of the great privileges, to ski with him because everything he says sounds like Clint Eastwood. So it's... I think we're going to go down Widowmaker. Widowmaker. We're going down Widowmaker.

37:39Yeah.

37:40Rob Lowe:It's a double bike. Well, I grew up with Charlie Sheen before he went totally insane. He's better now. I'm glad, happy to say. But we were obsessed... That's good. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know. He's doing good. And he used to tell me... We used to obsess about Clint and do backyard movies where we made our own versions of Dirty Harry and all of it. And then he finally got to work with Clint. He was the first of us, I think, to ever work with Clint. Eventually, Charlie realized he really hadn't said anything to him. And they're going to start shooting. So it's the first day of shooting.

38:11And Charlie's like, we haven't really rehearsed.

38:14Rob Lowe:I haven't really had a proper fucking conversation with him. Oh, yeah. And now he's in his head and he's fucking freaking out. And so he goes and he knocks on Clint's trailer. This is the morning first day of shooting. Sun is not up. First day of shooting. Knock, knock, knock. Yeah. Hey, I was just wondering, like, you know, it's first day of shooting and all. Like, you know, how we're going to attack the day or, you know, with the sort of thought, you know, what we're going to be doing. Clint just looks at him for the longest time and goes, well, we're going to hit our marks and say a few words.

38:55that's it. And that's, and that's exactly what happens. You know, that's exactly what happens. And then they turn into these unbelievably great movies. And, and it's one of those things where you kind of go, wait a second. What about all these other times when there's been absolute insanity and yelling and whatever, fights or all kinds of crazy stuff going on. How come he can do that and not have all that stuff? And you really scratch your head about it. Although I have to say that after the experience of working with him, I held on to a lot of those. I certainly held onto those things in terms of being a director, but also in terms of an approach to being on a TV show or in a film.

39:58Let's see what we can do to make this an experience that doesn't have a whole lot of insanity around it. And let's see what we can do to make the use of our time as efficient as possible and not waste it with a lot of bullshit that has nothing to do with what's ending up on the screen. Now, that's not to say that I'm sure you've had this experience where you can have a terrible experience and make a great movie or you can have a great experience and make a terrible movie. In the case of working with Clint, that ended up being a great movie. But I do think that there's a lot about his approach that really has stuck with me.

40:48I mean, one of the things that I'll always remember is that he really likes light sticks, which I like. When I say sticks, we're talking about you hit a slate. The clapper. The sort of secret. Yeah. Yeah, the clapper thing in order to synchronize the picture with the sound so that the editor can see a synchronized picture with sound. And traditionally, it's a big smack. And I believe what Clint said was that he was doing the television shows when he was doing westerns. And they line up six horses and they're about to raid a town or whatever it is, about to take off. and the assistant camera guy would come out and smack the slate as hard as he could and all the horses would flip out.

41:42They'd start rearing up and shying and stuff. And if it's freaking a horse out, he said, it's gotta be freaking the actors out. And what I started thinking about was that a lot of our process is in some ways, I think, backward from what it should be. because I believe that the most relaxed time should be the time between action and cut. And in a lot of ways, we're taught that, you know, I'll give you an example. People knock on your door and they give you a 10 minute warning. And when I hear the word warning, I say, that means that some bad shit's about to happen. You know what I mean? I don't want a fucking warning to work.

42:32I want to work. I love to work. I want to, you know what I mean? I like, I say, don't warn me that, you know.

42:40Rob Lowe:Warning, warning, like the robot lost in space. Yeah, right. Will Robinson, you know, we turned to the ship. I mean, I feel like I want that to be something that I'm looking forward to. And then, you know, rolling, sound, speed. Everyone very quietly smack, boom. They smack that thing in your face. now I'm tense, right? Yeah. And then they say cut and everybody goes, oh, what are you doing? What are you doing for lunch? All of a sudden then it becomes like the relaxed part of the day. That's right. The day when we're not rolling. For me, I want it to be, I want to flip that, right? I want to flip that and feel like now I can just be, can be the character and the cast and the script and the camera and the operators and all of us in a place of breath and of experience.

43:43And I really learned that from Eastwood. And you literally, whenever you're ready, all that stuff. Yeah.

43:53Rob Lowe:Right? Okay, you guys, go ahead. And my favorite is I heard at the end sometimes I go, that's enough of that which isn't exactly doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement well if you're if you go to work for him looking for ringing endorsements you get the wrong guy no no a lot of us the truth is is that a lot of us are you know incredibly insecure and need a lot of like hey great job oh my god you killed it whoa the dailies were unbelievable oh my god Oh, look, I got a little full. I saw what you did there. And you know what I mean? That's what we want. I smell Oscar. But you're not going to get that with him, obviously.

44:41Truth is, I kind of like that better. I am somebody who does the homework. and I don't come relying on someone that's a director who's going to come up and give me a gem of a piece of direction that's going to take me from sucky to good. You know what I mean?

45:07Rob Lowe:For sure. I kind of feel like I want somebody that's going to first off cast me and then put the camera in the right place, you know, and let me do my thing. 100%. And I'll say one more thing, which is great. Love letter to Clint. But, you know, I really, one of the things that's really interesting about him is he's directed, I don't know how many movies, 30 movies or something like that. Most directors haven't directed that many movies. And forget actors who direct. Like that's, I mean, very unusual. I don't think there's anybody that has been in things and directed them and been such a giant star and such a successful director.

45:55I can't think of them. There's some people who have done a handful of things here or there or two great ones or whatever, but that's pretty unusual.

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47:49Rob Lowe:Okay, here's what I have to ask you about because I remember this vividly, this moment in time in a career and the business. I had just done, I think the outsiders and there was this Broadway play that everybody wanted to be in called Slab Boys. And I remember this like it was yesterday and you did it. And with Sean Penn, was Matt Dillon in it? No, Matt wasn't in it. Who else was in that cast? Sean, Jackie Earl Haley. Oh, yeah. Val Kilmer. Val. Brian Benben. Mm-hmm. Madeline Potter. Yeah, yeah. Madeline Potter. I did a play of Madeline Potter. Yeah, I had actually done the play at the Actors' Theater of Louisville earlier that year or a little bit earlier or whatever.

48:51It's a fantastic playwright, John Byrne. And I believe, I mean, I don't know if they're still married or not, but was married to Tilda Swinton. And he was not only a playwright, but a fantastic artist and a really interesting character with this unbelievably great Glaswegian accent, which I can't do. Still can't do it. And a giant, giant mustache that was often just kind of tinged because he smoked these filterless cigarettes. And the bottoms of his mustache and his fingers were kind of brown. And I remember. And he was just a fantastic character. And somebody at the Actress Theater had found this play.

49:42Back then I was auditioning and doing regional theater whenever I could. And I went to Louisville to do Slab Boys. It ended. And then somebody decided to do it on Broadway. And I didn't audition for it because I had already played the part. Wow. And they asked me to do the part. If my memory serves me correctly, I don't think that the critics quite got it in the same way that we did. It was almost a working class Scottish drawing room comedy in a funny kind of way. You know, a lot of people running in and out of doors and all sorts of intrigue and stuff like that. I love doing it.

50:28Rob Lowe:So good. Do you get a chance to do much theater anymore? I haven't done theater for a while. The last thing I did was a new play, which was a production of Rear Window, but actually based not on the movie, but on the original novel that was from, I think, the 40s, the 30s or 40s. and, you know, so the characters were not exactly the same, but that was a lot of fun. I did that up in Hartford, Connecticut. It was kind of with an eye to Broadway, but I just didn't really pan out, unfortunately. I'm always thinking about doing it because there's the band. I feel like that is, in a way, kind of part of my live life.

51:16Rob Lowe:Yeah, that makes perfect sense. 100 % get that. Yep. You know, I feel, I don't know how you feel about this, but when the thing that I love about live performing, whether it be theater or music, is that I get butterflies, you know, I got a lot of butterflies when it was beyond butterflies, you know, when I played with Billy. But even doing our show, you know, I know the tunes. I know the changes. A lot of times there are venues that I've played before. The band and I are all, you know, we're in sync. Everything is something that we've done. But right when you're about to come out, you have that feeling like, you know, shit could go south, right?

51:56You know, you could break a string, forget a lyric or do changes. You could sing notes out of tune. Sound cannot work. There's a lot of stuff that can happen. But on top of that, you're also sharing that one night with that group of people. Right. Like it's never going to be the same. There's no take two. That's really what it is, right? Yeah. When you walk onto a set, it's like you're living, right? Yes. You know that there's, you've been there, you grew up there. It's so, that's so familiar. But when you go out to do, even if you've done the show, a theater for four months or something like that, there still is that feeling of like, this is only this night or this afternoon that's going to be shared with this group of people.

52:45And there's an immediacy to it that I think is great for a creative person.

52:51Rob Lowe:It's the best. I mean, I did a few good men on the West End. I played Caffey. Ah. So Sorkin and I, after West Wing, went together and did that. And it was right around the time of Guantanamo Bay was going on. So it was a really, and as you know. How long were you there? How long were you in the West End? I did 140 performances. Woo, wow. It was a long run. That was a run. And that part, as you know, is a beast. Yes. A beast. Did you like dig that? Like living in London, working in the West End? I mean, that's pretty cool. It was living in Belgravia, everything leading up to it. Come on. It was the sickest thing ever.

53:38Rob Lowe:And that play is just a mousetrap of, it's a perfect, perfect, perfect play. Perfect. It just destroys every night. It is great, yeah. As you know, on Broadway, critics can come anytime during previews. And in theory, you never know when they're in the house, right? In England, they come on opening night. They all come. Oh, they do? Yes. Oh, wow. So, which is both good and bad. I kind of like it better because I like kind of knowing when the state, whatever. Frankly, I think I would like that better. Yeah. I think I would like that better. I liked it better. I didn't like it better. Game on. I didn't like it better when I had, I think might've been your character in the witness stand and was looking at the actor's face and his eyes were really big and looking at me.

54:24Rob Lowe:and I go, I wonder why he's looking at me that way. And then I realized I jumped two and a half pages ahead. Oh no. Which is a problem in that show. Oh, that's such a nightmare. Is that opening night? Opening night with all the critics. Oh, dude. I'm going to have nightmares about that tonight. And I had this moment, I'll never forget it. You know, seminal moments in one's career. And I had this moment of was like, okay, okay, okay. And I just took it. Thank God it was an interrogation scene because I don't know how you get away with it. Otherwise, I just had to figure out where I was. I'd figure out what I hadn't said because the rest of the play doesn't make any sense without the stuff that I'd forgotten to say.

55:10So I just leaned.

55:13Rob Lowe:Dude, it was nuts. I literally turned. I looked directly into the audience. I walked down center stage, right out, stared at them, thinking, took my long, sweet, didn't try to pretend, figured it out, went back and let him in and no one ever said a fucking word. Nobody, nobody ever knew. Aaron Sorkin knew. He lost his mind. Oh, I'm sure he did know. But nobody ever knew. And we, it was very, amazingly well-reviewed, but it was like, talk about, it's that thing where you say it can happen. Like that's being in the airplane and you realize you're out of gas. So it's like, that was as bad as it gets.

55:58That's pretty, that's pretty bad. But.

56:02Rob Lowe:Exhilarating. When I came back and it like snatched victory from the jaws of defeat or whatever it is, you just feel like. That's right. It's. Yeah. That's the thing is that that's what you did is that then you're like, okay, I did that. I can do anything. Right. I'm Superman now. Well, this is great, man. Thank you for coming on. This is... It's been a pleasure. Have you ever played the Santa Barbara Bowl? No. I mean, you have a lot of musicians living around you, right? So many. Yeah, Kenny and who else was up there? I lived in Michael McDonald's house. Michael McDonald and Jeff Bridges. Jeff Bridges.

56:39Rob Lowe:Bridges. Joe Walsh lived up there for a while. It's been years and years and years. All the guys from Depeche Mode live in South Barbara. Oh, really? No kidding. Please say hello to Kira for me, please. Will do, man. And best to your family. Thank you. And it's great to do this. It's really fun, really fun hanging out with you.

57:08what a great guy so fun love him all right you got questions i got answers let's hit the lowdown line

57:18Rob Lowe:hello you've reached literally in our lowdown line where you can get the lowdown on all things about me, Rob Lowe. 323-570-4551. So have at it. Here's the beep. Hello, Rob Lowe. On the lowdown, I'm Julie and I'm calling from beautiful Wiltshire in England. I'm at the tail end of binge listening to you literally from the beginning and I love it. it's equal parts as you would say hilarious moving and incredibly interesting I love hearing you talk about your love for Cheryl and you're such a very proud dad they thought those two parts of your life shine so brightly in your words um so I have a question for you I lost my dad when I was in my mid-20s it's weird to lose such a huge influence on life when you're still trying to figure out who you are.

58:21My question is, if your life had been blessed with daughters rather than your two lovely sons, it would have been very different. How do you think you'd be different if that had happened? Anyway, take care, Rob. Keep recording. I love it.

58:40Rob Lowe:Thank you so much. Thank you. And I love Wiltshire, where you're calling from. And it's funny that you ask about my kids. my son Matthew was conceived in Wiltshire in Sting's guest bedroom.

58:59True story.

59:01Rob Lowe:We wanted to have girls. We tried for a third because we wanted to have a girl. And up until my brother had three of them, there had not been a female low in I think two or three generations. So it didn't happen for me, but it happened for my brother. So, and I'm very close with Chad and I know him as well as I know anybody in the world. So watching Chad raise his girls and his experience versus me raising my two boys, it's really, as you say, completely different. I know it would have softened me for sure. I think it would have given me a lot more perspective on the world because you know having Cheryl being the only woman in our nuclear family is she's an island unto herself but seeing the world grow up through a young woman's eyes would have been spectacular because everybody says that there's nothing like a girl's love for their dads.

1:00:14Rob Lowe:You know, it's true because, you know, guys, you know, my boys now are like, hey, dad, what are you doing? And, you know, I see my brother with his daughters and they're still lovey-dovey and all of that. So it's a missed opportunity, but it wasn't in store for me and Cheryl. But I also wouldn't have it any other way in the next life because I do believe that'll happen. Thank you for your question. Appreciate it. Thank you, guys. Be sure to download next week's episode. Don't forget, if you're hanging around the Amazon website, give us a five-star review. We like that. That's very helpful. And thanks, as always, for participating.

1:00:56Rob Lowe:And thanks again to Kevin Bacon. He's a legend. Thanks for listening, and I'll see you next time on Literally. You've been listening to Literally with Rob Lowe, produced by me, Nick Leo. with help from associate producer Sarah Begar. Research by Alyssa Grawl. Editing by Jaron Ferguson. Engineering and mixing by Rich Garcia. Our executive producers are Rob Lowe for Lowe Profile, Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross, and myself for Team Coco, and Colin Anderson for Stitcher. Booking by Deirdre Dodd. Music by Devin Bryant. Special thanks to Hidden City Studios. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time on Literally with Rob Lowe.

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