Kevin O’Leary: The Shark Is in the Water

19:42Kevin O'Leary:Right off the cash register of the boutique, right to the zip code, all the analysis of fraud rates in your local neighborhood, a background check on you that you've approved. Boom. PDF policy back to the cash register in nine seconds. Now think about how efficient that is versus hiring a whole bunch of actuarial people sitting at desks, going for lunch, going to sleep, all the rest of that. I think what I'm watching, I could give you a zillion examples, but so that's one area where I'm very interested. And we lease all this stuff. We buy these packages for like 129 bucks a month or 29 ,000 a month or whatever it is.

20:23Kevin O'Leary:We don't build our own AI. The part where I'm building my own AI is I figured out I could use my ability to promote a state or any geography with celebrity and social media and go to the governor, go to the senator, go to the premier and say, look, I want to buy 13 ,000 acres of land in this place where there's stranded natural gas. and then I'm going to promote this as a destination for AI compute development of data centers. And I want to work with you to get permits and I want to hire 10 ,000 people to build it and I'm going to tell your state's story. It works. I'm able to go to Washington on a bipartisan basis and get these permits, work with great governors.

21:15Kevin O'Leary:I've done it already with Doug Bergman, North Dakota. I've got a venture fund that we're running there. I've done it in Alberta Canada with Daniel Smith, the premier there, 13 ,000 acres, the lowest cost energy in North America, sub six cents a kilowatt hour. And I've got a massive team of people that are engineers and that are designing these. Now, what does that have to do with Marty Supreme? Nothing. However, you can see the intersection. And it all came probably from the current president. it. He manifested celebrity into understanding how to market his policies. I think I'm doing the same thing.

21:54Kevin O'Leary:I'm not left to right. I don't show for politicians. I'm a policy guy. I work with plenty of Democrats and plenty of Republicans and everybody wants to create jobs. And Shark Tank has become this ambassadorship all around the world for American entrepreneurship, the American dream, which by the way, is our number one export. People think it's technology or energy. It isn't the American dream is a number one export and I'm an ambassador of it. I can go anywhere on earth. And the leader of that country wants pictures with his kids, with the shark tank guy. So why wouldn't I use that? And I do. And I think I didn't see it coming.

22:29Kevin O'Leary:It just came on my lap and that's where I'm at today. So I've spent a lot, a lot of my time doing the stuff I just described.

22:36Rob Lowe:And how, how did you, um, the concept makes perfect sense. How did you, how did you know how to implement it boots on the ground with, okay, I'm going to buy the land. It's going to be trapped energy. How did you come up with that specific of a concept to deploy your reputational capital?

22:56Kevin O'Leary:I asked people that built data centers. I was already in real estate. I've built climate control storage facilities, which are boxes very much like the shells that I'm building now, except the compute part's complicated. Who's the number one guy in the world who built the very first data center, a guy named Carl Agron, Navy civil engineer, lives in Dubai. I got on a plane, I went to see him. I said, you should work for me. And here's why. And he does now. Who's number two? Brian Inskeep at InPower. You should join my team. Here's why. He did that. I can be very, very persuasive. Ashley Davis, Paul Polangian, the list goes all in on.

23:35Kevin O'Leary:You look at these people, they are the guys in data center development and they all work. We call it Wonder Valley in, um, in Alberta. And I'm about to announce another Wonder Valley South. I'm not kidding when I say this. Uh, I believe it to be true on the second project. I will control more acreages being permitted for AI compute than any man on earth. I know that's a bold statement. It's 140 billion worth of investment, but I'm going to do that. I don't think you should have any doubt.

24:16Rob Lowe:And then you obviously license that to NVIDIA or whoever needs it.

24:21Kevin O'Leary:They're all, what I'm doing is aggregating paths to permit. You can't do any of this. We don't build the actual stacks. We just provide the power, the water permits, the air permits, buy the land, and make sure the fiber has four corners. That's what we do. And when that's all shovel ready, then we negotiate either purchase or lease with any of the 15 hyperscalers. And it's not, it's also cloud capacity for the Amazons of the world or the Department of Defense or whatever, or the state's banking system. The demand right now in North America alone is 45 gigawatts and only five are permitted and under construction.

25:10Kevin O'Leary:So it's an insatiable demand. I also did the same thing. I started in New York on this upstate New York behind the grid in Niagara Falls. I think it's now nine years ago. And I got so screwed over in permitting that I moved the whole thing to Norway. I think we left 20 million in the ground in New York, but it's now up and running in Norway. And I just opened Finland. Why? The lowest cost power in Europe, sub six cents a kilowatt hour. I don't care if people want a Bitcoin mine on it or if they want to use it for data center development. I have the power. I have the land. I have the permits. That's what I'm doing.

25:49Kevin O'Leary:And how did I get it? They love Shark Tank in Norway and they love it in Finland.

25:56Rob Lowe:That's amazing. That makes perfect sense. Perfect sense. Super exciting. What kind of watches are we wearing today? I need to see. What are we flaunting?

26:07Kevin O'Leary:I knew you'd ask that, Rob, so I really took out the heavy artillery. On the left is a Pichounique F.P. Journe Renaissance, which is a resonance, I should say. This watch has two separate watches in it and uses a phenomenon. If you take two metronomes on a piano and they're out of sync, in 20 minutes, they'll be in sync. It's physics. So that's what this watch does. It's beautiful. It's one of a kind, made for me with the red that I'm known for, and my name engraved on the back, with two 12 dials, which you'll never see. And this is an asymmetric Cartier Tank Platinum skeleton. You'll never see this again either.

26:50So together, I wore these at the Golden Globe.

26:55Kevin O'Leary:They were a huge head. I thought we'd have some fun today with them. But the only way you get these watches is you petition the the maker. And you say to F.B. Journe himself, look, I know 20 ,000 people want to buy your watches and you don't care how much money they have or whether they're royalty, who they are. You won't sell them a watch unless they're a collector. How can I prove to you that I'm worthy of the stewardship of your watches? And that started like seven years ago when I bought my first one. Now I have a dozen of them and many of them are Peace Uniques. The guy trusts me, that's all.

27:33Kevin O'Leary:They're worth millions today. And you know, it's, it's a beautiful investment. Cartier, this, my, my wedding ring is almost, I think it's 42 years old. I've been together with my wife for 42 years, married for 38. She bought this and we had no money. I showed it to the president over in Paris. I said, I am a Cartier guy and I like your watches. What are we going to do about this so i have a lot of incredible cartier watches because it's just emotional connection for me and then you've heard about the watch story with wondercare i developed an insurance business around it part of the celebrity aspect of it and what i get to do is uh that we're opening a new rolex uh boutique here in miami i'm going to the opening i'm going to host some of the

28:17Rob Lowe:events and of course wonder cares on the pos so it's uh that's the thing i i am not i'm i'm uh beginning my journey in watch collecting and what what what pieces do you like what do you like what i mean i'll give you some advice on collecting what do you this is i got this guy today my ap ceramic you know um i like that and it's aps and rolexes uh paddocks um Um, I got a Vacheron for Christmas. Overseas? What did you get? Which one? Uh, I got, yeah, the Overseas. Beautiful. With the blue face. Now that you've got Robby, you've got all those.

28:57Kevin O'Leary:Those are, they, they are the backbone of the collection. That's right. You have to have. 100 % right. You got to have an AP. You got to have a Rolex. You got to have a Patek Philippe. You got to have a Vacheron. Now you have to leave your zone of comfort and start to go after dials. you want to go after a Simon Brit and convince him that he's going to know who you are, that he should make a watch for you or a Roger Smith or Shapiro in the United States or F.P. Journe himself. Come to the Miami boutique and meet the management. When you start wearing those puppies, then you've arrived. You know what I mean?

29:38Rob Lowe:That's no, that is the next level. Uh, you know, my, my good, good and old friend, Arnold Schwarzenegger, I think is, has a big hand in making AP what they were when they, when they, does he design, they designed the Terminator watches for him.

29:51Kevin O'Leary:Yeah. Oh, I mean, and he also broke out other watches, a field watches and Stallone did the same thing by just putting them in movies. um they became i mean watches have gone crazy and they really everybody thought oh it's a phenomenon tied to crypto it's not it's it's what men buy to mark passage in their lives every piece i have is connected to some event that's right including the very first pieces i bought you know my car chain my first one was stolen i lost it for 15 years and i bought it back i found it how did you find it well i put the word out pretty well everybody knows me in the watch industry and I didn't ask any questions.

30:32Kevin O'Leary:I just bought it again at a much higher price. I don't care. I just wanted it back. Wow. That's, that's amazing.

30:42Rob Lowe:That's amazing that you got it back. Yep. It's very cool. Um, do you, so you, you have no illusions about politics because you, you preempted one of my questions. Um, what do you make about the Alberta succession stuff?

30:56Kevin O'Leary:I'm pretty close to that situation because I'm in the permitting process in Alberta. I would think. Yeah. And I'm you know, I work with the premier herself. That's not going to happen. She has to have the referendum because about 38 percent of the population are pretty pissed off. But remember, they just came through a decade under the idiot king and he he destroyed the country. He had no GDP growth. He wiped out the backbone of of success. Canada was always a resource-based economy. And he denied permits for everything. No mines, no pipelines, no gas, nothing. He had this green utopian vision, which no problem, but you can't take away the actual source of wealth and revenue, which is what he did.

31:41Kevin O'Leary:Debt per capita is historically high after Trudeau, but he did some real damage. And there was another politician there named Christina Freeland, And she was part, she became the finance minister. She had no expertise at that, had no executional skills. And she brought budgets that crippled the country and was not liked by the American counterpart or the White House. As soon as Carney came in, the party kicked out Trudeau. And this goes back to the Alberta issue. He got rid of free land so that he could start negotiations with the U.S., which haven't really gone that well. He's in China right now.

32:23Kevin O'Leary:There's a lot of complexity, but the richest place, the richest geography per capita in North America is Alberta. Because they are swimming in wealth and they just haven't had a chance yet to exploit it because of the previous idiot king. And they're negotiating with Carney now. That's where that succession stuff comes from. because if you just put a pipe, I mean, there's a crazy thing, Rob, I want you to think about that I have been pushing, even though there's a lot of adversarial rhetoric going on between the two countries. Here's what we should be doing. And I bet you we'll get there within five years.

33:02Kevin O'Leary:Canada has every single resource, the largest economy on earth, the US needs. Everything. It's got water, it's got paper, it's got software lumber, rare minerals, silver, gold, potash, bauxite, everything. Not some of the stuff, everything, including the rare minerals, everything, absolutely everything. Why wouldn't we merge these two economies to fight the Chinese in the future? Because that's what's coming. The Chinese, I love the Chinese people, but the government, they're not screwing around. They want world domination. And that's where we're going. And so we should be, we don't have to buy Canada or merge the country's sovereignty.

33:41Kevin O'Leary:the native people of the u.s and canada have a little card they're indigenous there's no border for them at all they can go back and forth a lot of people don't know this i work with a lot of indigenous tribes in both the u.s and canada are getting rights for water they have complete they're ubiquitous they can go back and forth the europeans did that with the eu we could do the same thing in north america and then buckle up against the chinese and say the chinese look, we are so far ahead of you on every aspect of our economy and defense. We can spend 5 % of our GDP now defending the North. Don't mess with us.

34:21Kevin O'Leary:Go mess with somebody else, but don't mess with us. That's what it's going to take. And we're going to get there. That's how it's going to end. I guarantee you right now we're in a little bit of a pissing match. I don't see why, but that's where we're going. So that clearly tells me that you're a fan of the EU. and how do you know i'm a fan of economic might because i believe there's only one big fight coming the chinese those guys i don't want to live under their doctrine i don't want my children to live under their doctrine i don't like anything they do to people anywhere and the only thing they understand is the stick they get the stick they understand sheer power and economic might that's the only way you can dissuade them is to prove to them i mean i hate to say this and excuse my french don't fuck with us that's the only thing they understand which then would be

35:23Rob Lowe:why you wouldn't want any guardrails on ai because if they get to no no they're killing i'm telling

35:28Kevin O'Leary:you right now they built in the last 18 months 518 gigawatts of electrical power based on coal burning electrical facilities. We built zero. We can't get permits. We have FERC problems. You go and you build, you want to invest$2 billion in turbines off natural gas in some state, you get FERC. F-E-R-C. You can't ever attach to the grid. It takes years. We are so screwed up. And you've heard this story lately. We've got big problems on power grid and the Chinese are kicking our asses. So I'm down in Washington next week to explain this to everybody yet again. I've been down multiple times saying, look, the Chinese are a huge problem here.

36:13Kevin O'Leary:It's not a debate. I know what they want. And the only way, I have no problem with Chinese people at all. The government, that guy is a supreme leader. He doesn't have to get a permit. He just puts his finger down on the map and says, build a gigawatt of power here. And if you don't get it done in 18 months, you will never be seen again. That's how it's done. That's a way to get things done.

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38:03what's your thought on iran um are we going to go for the knockout by the time this airs we could

38:10Rob Lowe:have for all i know we've gone for the knockout blow and then yeah you know those guys are bad guys anytime you kill your own people that's the desire for blind power and it ends badly at some

38:22Kevin O'Leary:point it will end badly. You know, when you make the lives of your own citizens so miserable that they're willing to walk out in the street and be shot as an alternative and they don't care, you know, oh, that's going to end badly because that's exactly what's happening. They're bad guys.

38:42Rob Lowe:And, you know, it did. But listen, people did it in Tiananmen and, you know, there's not been a peep from anybody since then. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's true,

38:50Kevin O'Leary:But there is at least the Chinese government there keeps everybody fed and they have water. They understand to stay in power, you have to at least have the basics in life. And they do. And, you know, Xi has made sure that's the case. But he's not giving up power. He wants to be the supreme leader and never die. Maybe he's a vampire. Who knows? But the point is, at the end of the day, if he doesn't feed them and give them a basic life, they'll just it'll be like a Frankenstein movie they'll go right up to the castle with the torches and burn them out so he's got that pressure and he has to balance the demand and factories and everything else to keep them employed so they can at least get the basics in life and I think that's an interesting dynamic you're bringing up but it's not the same as a country where there's no running water no electricity and the supreme leader there doesn't care I mean it's it's getting towards the

39:46Rob Lowe:end of that movie and i know how it ends yeah people because it's been so long people forget what tehran used to be and and you know in levin it was a great society with a lot of artists and

40:00Kevin O'Leary:a lot of art and a lot of history a lot of there's a lot of those people are great entrepreneurs but

40:06Rob Lowe:great entrepreneurs the iranians holy smokes corruption corruption corrupts blindly it just

40:11Kevin O'Leary:does. And that's one of the things holding back many African nations. There's just corruption is what we've been able to at least minimize. We still have it in North American democracy. In democratic countries, we have been able to hold back corruption to the court system. And we're punitive people that do that and we jail them. And there's an incentive not to do it. But when you can bribe your way out of being in prison or being killed with, then you get a lot of corruption. Yeah.

40:43Rob Lowe:I, what I was going to ask you, what do you think the, the, the canary in the coal mine, the bellwether would be for you where you're like, oh yeah, corrupt where we have a corruption problem in the United States. Like what would have to happen for you to go, hmm,

40:59Kevin O'Leary:we're going down a road I don't like. If all of a sudden I found out I could go to a state and buy a permit and bypass the process. That would tell me bad things are happening. And I can't do that. There is a process. I can lobby to change the process, which I do, through lawful administration and point out to the administration. And there are winner and loser states in terms of permitting. It's path to permit for construction projects, path to permit for power, path to permit for water, air rights, all that stuff. Some states are getting hip to that and making it so that they can deliver those permits in less than seven months versus other states where it takes five years.

41:46Kevin O'Leary:So capital goes to the place of least resistance. And that's a competition that's really important between states. And I'll give you an example that I think you'd be very familiar to. This law that they're suggesting, the billionaire tax, will affect 250. Just about to ask you about it. Yeah. So in California, that's very stupid because what you have is an economy that's proven for over 100 years that it creates innovation, global innovation, and rewards entrepreneurs that do that and take all that risk and the shareholders that take it with them. And you want to change that? Why would you do that?

42:22Kevin O'Leary:And so all that's going to happen is it's like the Google guys. They've already moved to Florida. Everybody is going to Florida. So there's a competition. Bezos, where does he live? Florida. So when you do stupid things, because politicians, there are stupid politicians that don't understand the implications of bad policy. This is what occurs. And I think that's an un-American proposal and hopefully it won't pass. But if it does, it'll do even more damage to California and the tax base will continue to erode. Same problem for other states. I mean, when you make people pay more than half their income, they simply move.

42:59Kevin O'Leary:They moved to Tennessee. They moved to Texas. They moved to Florida. They moved to North Dakota, South Dakota. Whatever it is, they moved to where they can retire off the hard work they've done during their lives and not have it taken away. Because people have kind of figured out the government's very inefficient. A lot of them, your tax money gets pissed away. And people are pissed. And they want change.

43:22Rob Lowe:Do you feel that is baked into the zeitgeist at this point? I wonder what the number is. I live in California and I've lived here since 1976. And it's always been a high-tax state. And I've always made the, and I have plenty of friends who moved to Florida, plenty of who've done it all. And I've always sort of made the calculation, I'm paying a weather tax. Like that's how I, that literally like today, it's 80 degrees. When I'm done here, I'm gonna go paddle in the Pacific Ocean and look at the wildlife and then we go work on my book. I'm not doing that anywhere else in the United States today, but even I have a threshold beyond which I do not want to pay the weather tax.

44:11Rob Lowe:And I'm wondering at what point is it 50 %? What is it where people finally go, I'm done? I mean, it's probably around 50.

44:22Kevin O'Leary:I think you start to get incremental momentum after 50%. Certainly at 54%, it's happening in New Jersey and New York. I think there's something like 1 ,200 license plates a week from there coming into Florida State. That's a lot of wealth being transferred. But I see your point. I've been working in LA for 20 years. I understand the lifestyle. I've watched the deterioration of safety there.

44:50Rob Lowe:Well, that's the idea that we didn't get to. This city of LA is unrecognized. Forget the fact that a quarter of the best part of it in terms of beauty and capital and tax paying, huge tax revenue basis burned to the ground. It's unrecognizable. LA is unrecognizable.

45:12Kevin O'Leary:Yeah, it's very disappointing because even, you know, when I'm working on Shark Tank, we'll spend two months making that show. I used to be able to walk out at night, walk to Craig's or walk to any of my favorite watering holes for dinner or whatever. Can't do that anymore. You know, it's just not safe. And I've got lots of friends who have been mugged or had their watches stolen over the decades.

45:34Rob Lowe:Oh, I don't wear my watches in Beverly Hills.

45:36Kevin O'Leary:Yeah, that's my whole point. That used to be, you know, in the United Arab Emirates or even in Switzerland, you can wear your watch. Nobody's going to mug you. So there are places that have dealt with this. I was going to talk about, you know, the weather tax. I like that idea. I like your analogy. But you're going to go out and paddle in the ocean. I already rode my bike on the boardwalk. I'm right on Miami Beach. There's sand in my elevator. I have no pants on right now, okay? So I'm living the Miami Beach lifestyle. And every day I get up at 645 with a thousand other guys on bikes and dog walkers.

46:11Kevin O'Leary:And I cycle 12 miles and go to my gym, work out for 20 minutes. The weather's beautiful here today. After this, I'm going to go have lunch right outside on the beach. I mean, so you can get what you want. The difference is my friends are here and your friends are there. And that's part of your life. The people that you've grown up with and you know, that is very important. There's probably 15 people in my life that I spend the majority of my time with, plus my family, that matter to me. And I want to be near them. Although lately, I've been traveling five days a week.

46:48Rob Lowe:Oh, that's the other thing I want to ask you about. You're on this crazy promotion run for Marty. uh it is i i've had friends recently who've won academy awards and when they finally get up to win the award all they want to do is go to sleep literally they're they they're just like it's really kind of disturbing it's like they just wanted to end they wanted it's been um my friend to me more uh was nominated last year i remember that i really wanted her to win me too she got robbed for sure got robbed there's no question she won everything but the academy award she got robbed um but those words are super political as you know um but she said she had to get in full makeup and hair 200 days out of the year last year just yeah to do i i never under

47:44Kevin O'Leary:i because i'm a television guy that's where i came from so this was my first scripted role but I'd never gone through the process that you're describing that I'm in the middle of right now. And I will say one thing that I learned. So I probably spend in aggregate with our 50 plus companies, probably, I don't know, 15, 20 million a month on social media, at least, and television and everything else. And I know the teams that run this stuff, the A24 social media team, the woman that runs that, she's a genius. I mean, she's going to spend a ton of money, but the way she's doing it is incredible. That blimp idea, all the parodies that Chalamet did on social, all the stuff the supporting actors have done, including me, all the social media we have pumped out and it manifested itself in a groundswell of ticket sales

48:50Rob Lowe:and so it's the best it's the best promotion of a movie i've seen and i've been paying attention for decades in in decades in decades for that i mean you know what that movie is we all know what it is. The notion that that very specific type of a movie had that amount of the public's attention is amazing. And I got it in, and it's a 24 and it's Timothy, this guy, dude, he's a beast. He's a beast.

49:25Kevin O'Leary:I'll tell you how he works. I mean, I don't know if you've worked across from him because I I'd never done that before. And we actually didn't rehearse for more than five minutes but we shot that french bistro scene first it was a long shoot those seven pages of script on that one yeah so he um you know it's like you and i were talking right now about watches and we're waiting because they shot this old school araflex film only three stops of latitude with films so the cinematographer darius had delighted meticulously took hours and so we would be waiting for that and we'd be talking and then it was time to roll he would get up walk around the camera and come back in character in such an incredible transformation transition that it it it was stunning i mean it was it's like electricity flying off him and as soon as that happened it was easy for me to be milton rockwell with this little guy pissing me off in front of me i mean it was just it it was amazing to work with him and the the energy that guy has all of those ping punk scenes by the time we got to tokyo i said to safty this kid's gonna win an oscar this is nuts like look at anyways you've if you've seen the film you get you know what i'm talking about it's it's crazy the amount of work he put into it but i think um i think he's good what can i say i mean i i watched it happen i worked with him uh he's got a remarkable energy around him and it manifests itself and translates itself onto film beautifully, just beautifully.

51:00Rob Lowe:He's got it. He's, he's a real movie star. He's a great actor and he is an amazing, and I don't mean it as a pejorative, an amazing self promoter. I love that. I, I, I do, I'm down with it. I, I don't shrink from that. I, there's a whole school that starts from my heroes. When I came up, we're like Paul Newman, Warren Beatty, Robert Redford, right? And those guys would not be caught dead self-promoting.

51:33Kevin O'Leary:I agree with you. I thought I was a social media whore until I met that team. Those guys are really incredible and they understand the algorithms on every platform. I know exactly what to do. And Timmy's like the cheerleader for it. He'll do anything. He'll do anything. He went on top of the sphere. They lowered him on a helicopter on top of the sphere. You'd have to be crazy to do that, but he did it.

51:59Rob Lowe:It's the greatest thing ever. I mean, he made a ping pong movie cool. When I saw people lining up for the swag, for the pop-up swag store, really early on, I was like, oh, these guys are onto it. Because I saw Marty very, very early. Gwyneth asked me to see it very, very early. so we did a a screening at my house and i i just i just loved it and i was like it was clear i think timothy i hope timothy wins wins an award it's it's i love the movie it's one of my favorite

52:30Kevin O'Leary:movies of the year and and no you talk about the swag i'm wearing the i'm wearing the swag this is the tim this is the marty supreme swag i when i was walking to studio a guy offered me 4 800 cash for it's insane that's how high it's gone up now this thing was trading for like 800 bucks on ebay now it's 4800 like you know it's how much fun is that it and whose idea i mean there's the idea

52:59Rob Lowe:and then there's the execution right and and it's all about perception so if you screw it up even around the edges it doesn't work because it's all it's not authentic i think what happened is it it remained authentic it was it wasn't Chalamet himself endorsed everything and did it all

53:17Kevin O'Leary:even the swag and everything else and he spent all that time doing it I mean that guy till the 21st of January does not have a single second of free time and the rest of us are just following all over the country um doing the award shows and doing all the promos and the night shows and all the rest of that stuff. But I get it. I understand why. And I think the whole purpose is after seven years of working on a film, you want it to win. Like, you know, if you have to spend another two weeks, 18 hours a day, you're going to do it. Yeah.

53:55Rob Lowe:Well, there's so much, as you said, signal and noise. There's so much noise that you want the movie to be a signal and not noise. And the only way to do it is to is to get people's attention and harder and harder and harder to do and the a24 people are they're they're the creme and i know a lot of them they're the creme de la creme they're in terms of taste um in terms of understanding and they do have an audience what's weird is when i when i grew up networks had audiences and studios had audiences like a warner brother movie if you look back in history a warner brother movie that were like like tough crime movies and, and sort of buddy comedies and paramount movies were thrillers and in the, in, in every, every place had an identity.

54:41Rob Lowe:Now anybody's doing everything and not well. A, A, A, A 24. Like people know like, Oh, that's an A 24 movie. Oh, it's A 24. I, they have a real brand and, and they, they, they crush it. They absolutely crush it. They know

54:58Kevin O'Leary:They let artists do their thing. They love directors. They gave total flexibility to Ronnie and, you know, Josh. They accept the vampire scene, which I'm pissed off at, you know, but it's sort of, it's sort of like, I could see why it works, why a director would want to go there and work with them. They just, they just, they give them a large range and a big latitude. Well, their film used to, you put your finger on it. They're film fans first, like a lot of places.

55:31Rob Lowe:And no disrespect, people come to different jobs through different avenues all the time. You know, my son wanted to be a lawyer and now he's working in finance. You know, people end up in positions of executive positions in movies from other areas. But when it works best, the executives are movie fans and TV fans first. They're not tech guys. They're not whatever. Now, you can be both. I know David Ellison he's a huge movie fan he's going to be great for the business you can be both Ted Sarandos another one you can't name a quote I don't care how obscure from any movie and Ted will know the next line and those are the

56:12Kevin O'Leary:you want to be a fan but I think media in the next two years is going to change dramatically I think the power of controlling distribution has finally become so critical that it's secondary to content and which I never thought would happen, but of course you need both. But I look at the power of Netflix now and I'm biased, I'm a shareholder, but you know, I look at the content they position in Switzerland where my dad lives or when I'm in London, they're obviously curating for the population to maximize how many hours watched. I mean, it's incredible what a powerful platform that is. And so when you have that power, I predict they're going to win that bid.

56:53It's just, it's, they can pay the maximum

56:57Kevin O'Leary:price because they have the distribution. We'll see. Yeah. But you know, it's, it's going to be, and I think it's going to change the way, um, films are financed and budgeted for and everything else. I mean, I, you know, for me, I've caught the bug now, so I I've got to do this again, But now that I am much closer to the mechanics of it, I want to balance TV with features. But we'll see. It's a time problem, too. These things take a lot of time to do. That's always been a big problem.

57:32Rob Lowe:That's why you see so few, although recently you've had, obviously, Lady Gaga and Ariana Grande. day, but you see so few music people in movies and TV, because like, wait a minute, I, I'm going to spend six months making a movie. I'm going to make X when I could do that in two weeks on the road. You know, that the time thing is, is a real barrier to entry to, to, to a lot of people.

58:02Kevin O'Leary:Yeah. I know, but there's no, they can't fax it in. You got to go there. You got to go to Tokyo. You got to go to Paris. You got to go to New York. I mean, you can try and work in the trailer. It's

58:11Rob Lowe:You know, you think you're going to do it. Trust me, if somebody is on a deadline for my third book, I did five movies this year. I didn't write one word in the trailer. You got to get a ghost. I mean, I don't know how you do it. No, no, no. My competitive nature and control freak nature will not allow me because I know at the end of the day, the work to get the ghost writer's product into my own voice, I might as you know what it's like. I'll tell you exactly what it's like. It's like when you go to a house and you're like, oh, this is a beautiful house. I'm just going to do. I mean, it's a it's a it's a huge remodel, obviously.

58:53Rob Lowe:Fucking scrape that house and start from the beginning. At the end of the day, it's going to be.

58:57Kevin O'Leary:I agree with that because I've gone through a bunch of renovations in the past. Right. Bulldoze it and start from scratch. It's probably easier. It's easier.

59:05Rob Lowe:That's the way I feel about a book with a ghostwriter. I might as well do it from.

59:10Kevin O'Leary:Yeah, I've done it both ways. My first book I've worked very hard on. And, you know, it's like having a child. It's like birthing. It's hard. People don't understand how hard it is. I really appreciate what you're doing, but you got to get days where you do nothing except write. I know. Like, you know, it's.

59:30Rob Lowe:uh, today is supposed to be one of them. I'll let you know how it goes. It's not a good sign that I told you I was going to go paddle boarding.

59:36Kevin O'Leary:That's I had a strategy where I'd write at night and I generally drink while I was writing like a bottle of Chablis or something. And then I think I've written something fantastic. When I went to bed at three in the morning, I get up and read it. It was a piece of shit. Like it's better not to do drugs or drink anything when you're writing. That's my two cents now.

59:54Rob Lowe:I will sometimes have a cigar when I write. It's my, it's like.

1:00:01Kevin O'Leary:That would work. I mean, I'm really, I've stopped drinking anything except really good wine. And sometimes the purest tequilas that have no, no, no additives. I make one for myself. But it's everything else, you know, no beer anymore. And I'm trying to monitor my sleep and I eat well and all that stuff. and the exercise every day, but it's a big change in lifestyle, but I still can't give up my wine. I just, I guess I'd rather be dead if I can't drink a glass of Chablis.

1:00:31Rob Lowe:Well, see, listen, you're talking, I gave up everything 35 years ago. So I'm, I, I, I, I missed the wine culture when I was drinking. That was like, it was not a thing I've, I've seen. So you don't drink, you're, you're totally sober, right? Totally 100%.

1:00:48Kevin O'Leary:I don't know how the hell you get there. I mean, that is really an accomplishment because it's so healthy, but you know, my own kids now don't drink during the week. A lot of young people coming up aren't drinking at all. And I think it's really, it's starting to manifest itself in flattened sales of pretty well every alcohol category. People just don't like feeling shitty in the morning anymore. And it is a poison. There's no question. You have to really monitor how much you drink anyways. I mean, it's, it's, I think it's a great thing if you can do it. Oh, sure.

1:01:21Rob Lowe:I listen, if I could have done it, if I could have lived, you know, continued the life I wanted to have drinking and partying the way I was, I, it would have been great. It would have been great if I could have, if I, if I could have turned the, you know, when they say it goes to 11, mine was stuck at 11. Like if I could have turned that volume down and be like, you know, I, it's time to get it down to a tube. If, if my volume control had worked, I'd still be there. I'd be right there with you. We'd be on the dock together with a good, you could teach me about watches and wine.

1:01:49Kevin O'Leary:Yeah. No, I actually, I make 1.2 million bottles a year and I have a relationship with QVC. I'm the largest purveyor of wine. So my wife blends the whites. I do the reds. We buy bladders of wine from all around the world and then we blend it. O 'Leary Fine Wines. I get the glass from China and I really enjoy it. I mean, that white, you mentioned the wine culture. You go out to california spend a week amongst the vinters it's it's a lot of fun it's a real there is a vibe out there that's unique um even different than the french because i do go to bordeaux in the drc region as well and i i have a massive wine collection of some extraordinary i have more wine than i can drink before i'm dead so at some point i got to stop buying well how about how with

1:02:32Rob Lowe:this i'm the only i i don't drink wine at all and i think you would be impressed by my wine cellar you gotta drink that stuff it's insane it's it's i have i there's so much investment locked up i know i know i can never i can i can never participate but my wife's you know we both have great wives my wife's like our friends would expect a great bottle of wine on a night you can't

1:03:00Kevin O'Leary:not have great she's right about that and they're honored to drink that stuff because you know if you've collected great stuff and it's, you let it lie, particularly good Californian cabs and certainly French Bordeaux's and Burgundy, they can last your life. And I'm drinking 62 Latour.

1:03:19Rob Lowe:Come on. Even I know what that is.

1:03:21Kevin O'Leary:Yeah. And I mean, I have that because I bought it, you know, in Boston 40 years ago. So it's, and it's come with me to all my sellers and stuff. I have a beautiful seller here in Miami. We're building a new place. My wife and I, she's building and not me but we're doing something amazing in terms of displaying these old bottles as art almost yes yes it's almost art yeah 100 guitar collection um oh i should show you this this is i just got this what's your favorite guitar oh look at that now it's my favorite is that a gretch no this is a gibson um that they made for me the mr wonderful it's the 355 body favored by George Harrison, but the 335 neck that I prefer.

1:04:04Kevin O'Leary:So it's a Frankenstein guitar with modern electronics, but it's also been through some stress wear to give it that sound. This is my new, you know, it's like your new watch. You're going to wear it a lot, but I'm loving this thing. Fantastic guitar. Beautiful.

1:04:25Rob Lowe:How often do you play and what's your, what do you, Do you jam with people or do you play to music? What do you do?

1:04:32Kevin O'Leary:Yeah, I play with a Jeff Tucci band when I can. I try and rehearse an hour a day. I learned something from John Mayer. He's a Shark Tank fan, came to the set and invited my wife and I. And a watch and a gnarly watch guy. Oh, gnarly, gnarly. Crazy. I mean, he started with Rolexes, but now he's exploring AP. He's got many other Maisons as well. Very good. but I saw his guitar collection at Capitol Records at two in the morning when he was at Shark Tank. He said, look, I'm recording, but sometimes I get motivated at three or four in the morning. If you're okay with that, I'll call you and come down.

1:05:07Kevin O'Leary:And we did. And we watched him basically write a song, but I like his style. But one thing he said to me was, slow it down. You don't need 20 notes. You need two. and I'm talking about a lead, you know, like a really good, memorable riff.

1:05:26Rob Lowe:Neil Young, all his leads are two notes and great.

1:05:30Kevin O'Leary:Yeah, and that's really what I've been working on now in sort of minor pentatonic scales and stuff. But if you don't practice, forget it. You have to find the time. So I put guitars in New York. I got them out in LA. I've got them in all the hotels that I frequent a lot. They bring them up to my room. I have little amps, you know, and I, it's better when you're on the road, you usually can find an hour. And then I go to the YouTubes and just find something I like. And I riff to that, you know, it's sort of, it takes your mind off. You know, I started way back. My first job was on an eight plate Steenbeck.

1:06:07Kevin O'Leary:You might remember what that was. I was a film editor. No, you weren't. You, first of all, that you know what a Steenbeck is, is unbelievable. I cut, I was a cameraman, 16 mil niagara sound a sound man um you know i shot a lot of sports television for the nhl the company uh called special event television we shot all the saturday uh features and we shoot them during the week and we cut them so when i was on the set of marty supreme i was expecting a red or you know something digital and out they roll a 35 mil arry with a panavision lens like talk talk about old school. No kidding. You know, like nobody does that.

1:06:48Kevin O'Leary:Nobody does it.

1:06:48Rob Lowe:Yeah.

1:06:49Kevin O'Leary:And so that was, I was in very familiar territory with that understanding how tough that is to light.

1:06:56Rob Lowe:I just did a movie with an anamorphic Panavision film and everybody's all excited and it's great. And it is, it's exciting. There's something about film, but then if you're really being really honest with yourself, halfway through the movie, you go, I know, I remember why digital was so revolutionary. It's like, all right, the changing of the mags, how much film we got left? I don't know. We probably know 60 feet. Should we change? Should we not? Let's check. It really is unbelievably inefficient, unbelievably inefficient.

1:07:31Kevin O'Leary:We went through that 22 minute mags, you know, and then when you leave 10 minutes left, because you think the scene's going to go longer. But it also, there's something about the culture of that. It's great.

1:07:43Rob Lowe:It's great. Because I know when I finally saw it,

1:07:48Kevin O'Leary:even when it wasn't even color corrected for the first time, each frame was a postcard from 1952. It was so, I remember shooting a scene in an airplane that took five hours to light. Darius would, if it wasn't perfect, We couldn't roll. And I thought to myself, this is insane. You're not going to see it. And when I did see it months later, those little nuances on the window, the splash of light on the bottom of the aircraft window, it gave it depth. You know what I mean? The little bursts of light all the way down. He was a genius. And I got it. But at some point, the thing I said to him is, you get seven frames of latitude on a red.

1:08:33Kevin O'Leary:You get three on 35 mil neg. You're making your life miserable. He said, I don't give a shit.

1:08:41Rob Lowe:There you have it. And even an untrained eye gets it subconsciously. Like they - I think you're right about that.

1:08:51Kevin O'Leary:I think that's one of the reasons that people that have seen the 70 mil print of Marty and certainly LA has it, New York has it, Toronto, Canada has it, come out of the film exhausted through that emotional journey. because they're dragged right into the scene. It's just so magnificent. And I've seen it three times and each time I see something else.

1:09:15Rob Lowe:It's definitely a movie you can watch multiple times.

1:09:19Kevin O'Leary:Yeah, I think there's a lot of sub-messaging in there that's very important. And I think back to some of the lines that Gwyneth had. She was really good. She was really good.

1:09:30Rob Lowe:she is a um acting machine she talk about somebody who makes it look effortless i mean she's she's the pro of pros the pro of probe but she also riffs well when she makes a mistake you know she just a lot of a lot of the stuff that was a lot of improvisation is in that

1:09:54Kevin O'Leary:movie that we just okay we blew a line let's keep going like you know and and then it makes it into the film like what the hell right that's the magic of shooting it's also the magic of of josh as a

1:10:05Rob Lowe:director that you know he wrote he wrote it but he's not precious enough to to not be able to

1:10:12Kevin O'Leary:understand when somebody's well he had a script monitor in his ear she was downstairs with you know ronnie in the production tent and would yell at him all the time but he just he would just let

1:10:22Rob Lowe:it ride listen a lot of guys don't gals a lot of them don't they're they're so in love with their precious dialogue and and you know a lot of times they're right but when you get a genius like him who also is open to you coming up with a vampire speech yeah i'm very appreciative of that

1:10:41Kevin O'Leary:you're right a lot of a lot of guys wouldn't do it they've decided they've written a perfect movie and they don't let the natural progression of what actually happens the chemistry but he had a lot i mean those scenes we had sometimes 200 extras there like it was two in the morning you know So it was, it really, you really got immersed into being in 1952 and everybody's dressed there and the menus 52 and the shoes and the napkins, the food, everything. I mean, it was just, it was.

1:11:10Rob Lowe:Yeah. The food when I, when Marty's ordering the room service, it's like that food is like, you can't order that in it. You're not getting that at the end of the four seasons or whatever. Now it's like such fifties food he's eating.

1:11:23Kevin O'Leary:Yeah. I mean that all that stuff was so well done. And I think, and it, it, and it made it into the film in a good way. You really felt that you were there. I think this will be one of those classics like the sting, you know, that just kind of hangs around forever. You go back and watch it again. It's just as good as when you saw it 10 years earlier. Yes. So the sting is exactly that.

1:11:46Rob Lowe:Well, um, this is, I, I'm congratulations. Lots of luck as you go through the, uh, awards, uh, circus. you'll get to see the difference in like the golden gloves versus well i had fun at the golden

1:12:00Kevin O'Leary:they're fun right at that i like the dinner party thing that's way better than sitting in a seat most of the awards i've been in i'm sitting in a seat you know with a seat runner but the the globes at every commercial break you ran around to say hi to everybody you knew so it was a lot of fun and then if you didn't get back to your seat it wasn't there oh yeah in the old days when dick

1:12:19Rob Lowe:Clark ran the golden globes, the great Dick Clark. I just have these great memories of him begging people to sit down. We're back in 25 seconds.

1:12:30Kevin O'Leary:It's the same now, but, but now the, I think what's different about, uh, uh, because of social media is the red carpet takes you two hours. I mean, you're walking down every, I even did a shoot with the, uh, television from the united arid emirates they were there yeah like it's such a massive global phenomenon and and it is the international you know press so it it was very interesting to see all these different cultures and um you know talk about it was it was good i really enjoyed it it was a it's so different than the television awards 100 different 100 they all have their and then you'll get eventually you'll

1:13:11Rob Lowe:get to the Screen Actors Guild Awards, which are, I think, they're amazing.

1:13:15Kevin O'Leary:Well, next up, I think we have the SAG Awards coming. I've got a whole schedule. They're great.

1:13:19Rob Lowe:By the way, they're, I mean, they're the peers. I, maybe it's because it's the only one I actually have a trophy from, so I'm biased. But I love the SAG Awards because it's actors, actors know acting better than anybody. Yeah.

1:13:33Kevin O'Leary:No, they do. And I think that'll be interesting for Marty, that's for sure.

1:13:39Rob Lowe:i think i think you guys i mean you got you've got you know the the pta movie which is a is a that's a real dog fight that's a real real dog fight they're all competitive because there's

1:13:50Kevin O'Leary:every people say oh it's a competitive year every year is competitive there's always you know as you said political issues or whatever but there's a lot of uh new filmmakers bringing new ideas um and the documentary category in the last decade has gotten interesting i don't know if you've noticed that it's there's there's a lot of stuff being made and motivated for different reasons by all kinds of different people in different countries part of it i think is because technology has allowed you to make great stuff at a much lower cost that's right and uh and they're taking advantage of it i mean i've seen films shot with iphones yeah they're amazing yeah it's

1:14:30Rob Lowe:incredible so you know you're a movie fan you'll like this the shirt that i'm wearing hang on can let me see if i can yeah that's kind of cool i like it's terminate with extreme prejudice

1:14:43Rob Lowe:that's beautiful is that great little factoid is that amazing man with that amazing face who's so creepy and weird in that scene in apocalypse now yeah is the first one of my favorite films ever

1:14:55Kevin O'Leary:he's the first ad you know i had a moment of honor a couple of weeks ago i i brought there was a very, very famous watch called the Francis Ford Coppola. It was a prototype made by F.B. Jordan for Francis Ford, only one in the world. And it was auctioned. People thought it might go for like three or four million. We put it on TV. I brought it to Fox actually, and we did a lot of work with it. It sold for 10.2 million. The last guy to hold it was me. And it's now gone to a private collector. That will not come back into the light for a generation. But that's what, you know, the direction of watches as art.

1:15:33Kevin O'Leary:Like, I doubt that'll ever be worn by anybody. It's sitting in a display case now, which is a shame, really. But - Yeah, don't you want to wear your watch? You wear your watch. I wear all my pieces. You know, this piece I showed you, this Jorn is a one of a kind with a red dial and two. I mean, you'll never see this again. I'm wearing it to lunch. I'm taking a limo to lunch, but I'm wearing it to lunch. And I want to. I want to show it to the people there. I think they're going to appreciate it. but I got a security guy with me. I mean, it's just.

1:16:05Rob Lowe:But that's the thing is like, I, and there's so much fun and like, okay, I'm going to be at dinner with this person or that person, or I'm going to go be at this event with this group. I wonder which watch would be the most interesting for them. And like, it's, we're guys, we don't get to think about much. We, you know, we don't, we got to watch. We got to watch. You got a necklace, maybe, you know, it's fun. When we dress up, we don't have many choices. So it's super fun to do.

1:16:30Kevin O'Leary:Exactly. I think you're a hundred percent right on that. That's, that's why watch collecting every, I wear six watches a day, two in the morning, two for lunch, two at night. So I take out of the vault generally 30 or 40 a month. And then every morning I look at them, I put them out on my wife thinks I'm fucking crazy, but I put them out there and I talk to them and I see who am I pairing with? What's my, this is nuts, right? But I have a lot of fun with it. And I only wear red bands. I think I've increased the sales of red bands on all the, what is the band made out of? I use bands that are in the summer.

1:17:05Kevin O'Leary:I use, um, use synthetic rubber cause I'm sweating a lot. And then I moved to leathers in the winter. Uh, there's a company called rubber B I don't have any, uh, you know, I don't own any of it, but they make the best, uh, Rolex and Patek rubber bands for the summer. And so I use them. And then most of the Maisons now are making me my 485C red band. And that started from Shark Tank 14 years ago. So the only watches you see on Shark Tank are 45C red that match. I got great wardrobe people there. So we do a whole thing. It's now I'm doing Dolce for this season, but it's all the mad. I love all that crap.

1:17:45Kevin O'Leary:You know, it's like, like, it just, I like that stuff and I have a good time with it. But choosing watches is like, I guess women choosing their shoes or something. For me, it's a bit of a ritual in the morning. And I went through my pairings today. I got some crazy stuff for tonight. So I'm bringing out the heavy guns today. I'm just in that kind of mood. Okay. Can you get with the trend of men,

1:18:11Rob Lowe:they don't call them carrying, wearing a Birkin, an Hermes Birkin?

1:18:18Kevin O'Leary:Yeah, no, that's a little far for me. I didn't understand this Birkin thing until I wanted to buy one for my wife as a gift.

1:18:27Rob Lowe:What a shit show. That's amazing. I, it's like, and I, and I know the Hermes guys.

1:18:32Kevin O'Leary:And so I wanted to get her something called a Hemi, which is a Himalayan alligator thing. And I don't know anything about bags. I know too much, unfortunately. Yeah. So I went through this crazy journey to get that bag from Paris. I mean, it was worse than getting a watch. Oh, it's way worse. It's insane. It's insane. She freaked out when she saw it. She went out of her mind because she knew what it was. And it was the greatest thing ever, you know, to celebrate. I got it for Christmas for her, but I actually ended up, she ended up taking it to one of the Marty Supreme premieres. I mean, it was, you know.

1:19:12Rob Lowe:Yeah, no, it's a big, big, big deal. No, I had no idea. It's more intense than the watches.

1:19:17Kevin O'Leary:And now I'm screwed. Now she wants more. I'm totally screwed. They're not easy to get. And, you know, and I tend to think of them as investments, really.

1:19:27Rob Lowe:And they are. My wife is a big, big collector of that stuff. And when we were working on our new house, I was like, I want to see those. I want to see them displayed. First of all, they're beautiful. But they're pieces of art.

1:19:41Kevin O'Leary:It's like a watch collection. They are beautiful. They're beautifully made, and I have appreciation for them. But now I understand how that brand manages, that the demand for these is insane. And so it's really, really tough for them to say no to everybody. And it's what is the reason. It's no different than F.P. Jourd. He doesn't care who you are, how rich you are. He just doesn't care. Why should he make you a watch? You have to get on your knees and convince him. Why? What is the reason you get it versus the other 10 ,000 guys that want it? You only make a 990 a year. Can you imagine? What a great business to be in where you're like.

1:20:22Kevin O'Leary:Yeah. Chanel owns 20 % of the company. I mean, there is a path. This guy is a party animal, by the way. I mean, he's a legendary. He's a genius. He's a living Picasso. That's what he is. You're getting a Picasso while Picasso's alive. Who knows what it's worth when he's not here? I mean, that's why every one of my pieces is a just, every one I can get, I take from Jordan. Every one he offers me, I take it. It's just like buying a Picasso.

1:20:52Rob Lowe:Okay, I got to get you to hook me up. We're going to meet him.

1:20:55Kevin O'Leary:Go over and bend the knee. Yeah, you have to come to Miami. I'll sit down. They have a beautiful boutique here. Meet the management. Explain how we talked about this. And I'm sure that if, by the way, have you ever flipped a watch? You ever bought a watch from any of those brands you talked about and sold it? No. Okay. Had you said yes? It's over.

1:21:14Rob Lowe:Oh yeah. It's over. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I have to be a true collector.

1:21:17Kevin O'Leary:You have to have one of each of the ones you talked about. That's just start. That's, that's just your beginning. You know, it's just the beginning. Yeah.

1:21:24Rob Lowe:They know. Those are great pieces. They know. They know if you flip. They, yeah, for sure. No, for sure. No, I, I, I'm smart enough to know that. um all right thank you kevin um this has been great we could talk for 10 hours i had a great

1:21:38Kevin O'Leary:time i know we went way over no but it's great too much fun it's almost like a break off the promotional road i really appreciate it oh i know exactly my mind is fried i'm like a fried chicken no no i know exactly what you're going through and and and you i don't envy i i envy it because

1:21:56Rob Lowe:you're promoting something amazing and brilliant and that those don't come along every minute it. But when you're in your 25th interview of your 25th day and, and, and maybe you do,

1:22:08Kevin O'Leary:you do know, I can't remember what I said anymore.

1:22:11Rob Lowe:Oh, here's the problem. Can I tell you this here? This is when people get in trouble. You're bored telling the same stories. So you start to embellish it and stand on the accelerator just to entertain yourself and to keep your own sanity. And then you get fucked.

1:22:26Kevin O'Leary:You're like, you do get, you get fucked. Cause it's out there forever. I try not

1:22:29Rob Lowe:to do that that's for sure people always go how did they say that there's a lot of fact checking

1:22:34Kevin O'Leary:going on i mean i when we stopped when we talked about the vampire thing they went right back to ronnie bronstein and said is this true and he said it is it is and josh leaked it two days ago and he was having a conversation with another director um and he just said look it's true this thing in a24 shut it down and then the shit hit the fan that's not talking about vampire

1:22:56Rob Lowe:scene all day you know it's kind of like that's good it keeps they should be thrilled that you had something that that got to you know reinvigorate the conversation so good um i want to get your i'm gonna i'm gonna get your info i'd love to sit with you when you're in la when are you when are

1:23:13Kevin O'Leary:you back to do the next season of shark tank uh i think we're coming back uh it could be may 2nd We may get it earlier June, maybe earlier. As you know, all the streamers are taking all the studio time now. Like Netflix is shooting in every lot in Culvert City. Yeah. It's crazy. So we have to get, and we need a big lot for all the prep work, for all the deals. But I'll give you, the best way to get a hold of me is my cell, which obviously I don't want you to put that out there, so I'll give it to you.

1:23:47Rob Lowe:Hang on. Let's see. We could do it offline, right? So you don't have to worry about it. let me see. I think I gave, uh,

1:23:56Kevin O'Leary:yeah, yeah, yeah. So just connect us, put it, put us in a, cause I don't, I get 10 ,000 emails a day. Now I never see them. Just send me a text and then we'll connect that way. Yeah.

1:24:06Rob Lowe:That'd be great. We'll talk.

1:24:07Kevin O'Leary:If you want to come out and hang out on shark tank for sure, it would be a lot of fun. Yeah.

1:24:10Rob Lowe:It'd be really fun. Um, we got lots to talk about. Lots. Lots to talk about.

1:24:15Kevin O'Leary:I've really enjoyed it, Rob. That was fantastic. I feel like we're kindred spirits here. So it's one.

1:24:20Rob Lowe:And I want to talk to you about your business of communicating, of being a storyteller to communicate.

1:24:26Kevin O'Leary:Yeah, you should use that attribute because you could do it. And I have lots of anecdotal evidence that it's very powerful and it works as long as you're authentic. As long as you tell the truth, as long as you talk about it, because the press is going to drill down and check out everything you say. When you're talking about a politician or a project or a permit, they're going to dig, dig, dig, dig, dig. And as long as you're authentic, it's all cool.

1:24:55Rob Lowe:Yeah. Well, I want to talk more about that. Be thinking about things we can do together. Because I, that.

1:25:00Kevin O'Leary:100%. 100%.

1:25:01Rob Lowe:Be really. All right, my friend.

1:25:02Kevin O'Leary:Take it easy.

1:25:02Rob Lowe:All right, buddy. Thanks, man.

1:25:10Rob Lowe:That was fun. It's got me thinking about moving to Miami. me. But I draw the line at wearing two watches. The only other person I knew I've ever known who wore two watches was Princess Stephanie. They were swatches. I should have told Kevin O 'Leary that. God damn it. Damn it. Next time we talk. Anyway, Marty Supreme, check it out if you haven't. And I'll see you guys right here next week on Literally. Thank you.

1:25:45Rob Lowe:you've been listening to literally with Rob Lowe produced by me Sean Doherty with help from associate producer Sean Calvano research by Jeff Fox engineering and mixing by Joanna Samuel our executive producers are Rob Lowe for low profile and Nick Liao Adam Sachs and Jeff Ross for team Coco booking by Catherine Cook music by Devin Bryant special thanks to Hidden City Studios Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time on Literally.

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