Maury Povich: On Par

25:24And he was sent to the Pacific. Wow. And he was at Iwo Jima. No way. And he was at Iwo Jima. And one of his big stories that week was interviewing the photographer who took that picture.

25:38Rob Lowe:Oh, my God. I am so glad that my facts are straight. I didn't realize I was sitting with an expert. But that's a correct story. But it's true. Yeah, that's exactly right. No question. That's probably the most famous, I don't know, flag picture ever. It's just so beautifully composed. And have you seen the recreation in Washington? Yes. At the memorial. It's great. It's just terrific. Washington, for all of its... Tell me about that. Tell me about you in Washington. Did you like it? I mean, I know your West Wing days and everybody was spawning all over you guys. Maury, you would have thought we were the Beatles.

26:17I know. I was around there in 84. I remember that. I mean... I didn't come to New York to do a carnival in 86. So I was working at then Channel 5 in Washington. So, yeah, so, so. That's your show. So what. The fact that you guys came and then and then I guess in 91, 92, I mean. No, no.

26:39Rob Lowe:West Wing was 90. West Wing premiered in 99 and that was Clinton's last year in office. Right. And it was when the White House Correspondents Dinner was a very big deal still. And it's kind of the most legendary. it's the last legendary correspondence dinner because I forget who we might've filmed. I think we filmed this. Yes, we filmed this amazing, with Clinton riding his bicycle through the old executive office building. And it was a whole to-do. That's the last time it was good, clean fun and everybody had a very good time. But we were treated like royalty. Who do you think the funniest president was?

27:24Rob Lowe:that's an interesting because you know a lot of them were really funny and a lot of them were had anti-comedy all over them and by the way well who cares if our presidents are funny but kennedy was hilarious very good that was the first one i ever covered and obama knew how to deliver a joke i i wasn't around for obama but i i've seen a lot of his stuff he was very good uh uh bush jr knew how to deliver a joke? Well, I happen to like, I think he has a great sense of humor. He does. And I'll tell you that he's a friend of mine and has been a friend of mine for 30 years, 40 years. And so I - Clinton was great.

28:03I'll tell you a funny story about him. One time, we used to have a golf group, 12 of us. The weekend after Labor Day, we would go up and play Cypress, Spyglass, and Pebble Beach. every single weekend, the weekend after Labor Day. There were 12 of us. And first of all, when he said he was going to run for governor of Texas, we went, are you kidding me? Are you crazy? Are you nuts? I mean, Ann Richards is the most popular governor. Are you crazy? So he wins. And then he's going to run for president. And oh boy, really? George, you're going to do that? Yep. He always liked me because a lot of the guys would call him Junior.

28:53And he's not a Junior. He's George W. Bush. He's not George H. W. Bush. And so he got very offended when people called him Junior. And I never did. And he had a nickname for me. He used to call me Poe, Poe, Poe. So he gets in the White House and he invites me and another one of the group. to lunch every single year for eight years. Every single, he would call up and say, where are you guys? Where are you coming down? So go down there one time. I'm doing a talk show. He says, I can't run anymore. I'm on a treadmill. I'm on a treadmill. I'm flipping around. How do you do that thing with a straight face?

29:33How do you do that show with a straight face? I said, well, Mr. President, think about all the things you do every day with a straight face. That's a great response. He said, touche.

29:43Rob Lowe:What a great response. Yeah. Right? Yeah. But he had a great sense of humor. And I'll tell you this. I really think that the way he's conducted himself all these years out of office, I think it's the classiest thing a president could do. Just not get involved with this crap. Yeah. And that was the way historically it always was. And, you know, that's right. And he's and he's kept it that way. Although I remember he's sitting next to Michelle Obama at the first Trump inauguration. And there's this great shot of him. And he's looking at Michelle after the speech and going, that was some weird shit.

30:34Some weird shit.

30:36Rob Lowe:That was some weird shit.

30:41I mean, you can see him mouthing it.

30:44Rob Lowe:I like I saw him giving gum to people or something. Oh, yeah, he would do that. Yeah, I mean, he was very natural, you know, even with all of his bobble, all of his mispronunciations of words and things like that. He was great. And his father was great, too. His father was elegant. Great.

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35:51Rob Lowe:And tell me, you and Connie Chung have been married now for how many years? 41. Oh, my God. What's the... We decided to take it one decade at a time. I like it. and she says, my mother used to give up, my father used to say, and she loves this line. She says, every year we take a vote as the weather will stay married and it's a tie.

36:25Rob Lowe:My oldest son is getting married this fall. Oh, wow. Are you excited? Super excited, super excited. Is this one of these destination weddings? No, hell no. I don't believe in destination weddings. I hate that. I hate it. I don't, I don't. You know why I hate it the most? It's usually these young people and all of their friends, and they have some destination spot, and these friends, how can we afford to go to these things? This is, I mean, go to Hawaii or go to here or go to there. I mean, we can't, these kids can't afford that. I think it's, I think it's like, it's just my personal opinion. I think it's super presumptuous, a destination wedding, unless it's a sneaky way of trying to not have people at your wedding.

37:09Oh, yeah. Okay, that's something.

37:10Rob Lowe:Right, which could be a thing, but I don't think that it is. I think people literally think, hey, man, we're all going to Puerto Vallarta, whatever. Right, yeah. I'm getting married in Europe. But no, it's at home. I mean, it's in LA where we all live. But my dad, who is 86, was just out visiting me. Is he in good shape? He's in good shape, smart as a tack, practiced law up until two years ago. And he said, well, it's Matthew. That's my son. Is Matthew aware of the three rings of marriage? And I said, what are the three rings of marriage? He said, well, first, of course, there's the engagement ring.

37:50Rob Lowe:Then, of course, comes the wedding ring. And then the suffer ring.

37:57I like that. Meanwhile, and I know the way you did with Connie when you talked to her on your podcast. Apparently, she and Cheryl are exactly alike, and you and I are exactly alike. They're the fastidious OCD moving everything. Oh, my God. As they leave a room. Oh, what is it?

38:23Rob Lowe:My wife has not left a room ever. Ever. I'm telling you, it was just to get up from the kitchen to go to watch the TV without adjusting something. And the thing that she's adjusting, I could live with for 500 years and never even notice it needed adjusting. How about this? You finish your dishes, you're rinsing them, you put them in the dishwasher. There is no chance that within five minutes, she comes and moves that dish to another place in the dishwasher. I can't load a dishwasher. In 40 years, I've never been able to load a dishwasher because every time I put even the silverware, it doesn't matter even if it's silver.

39:07It's got to go over here. It's got to go there. How about packing?

39:12Rob Lowe:Does she micromanage your packing? It never ends. It never ends. It never ends and it never begins. It just is continuous. It's just, there are, if I go down the hallway of this apartment right now, there are suitcases open. They're just sitting there. This is your make, you have no idea. My body, when you literally, I'm not kidding. My actual body just now had a big sigh of relief because I feel seen. I feel seen. Thank you. Right, right. And always late. always late what there it it's the it's the everybody thinks i'm the person in the world my patience is tested every single time we have to go somewhere every time it's never ever on time never ever what is because look connie's both of our wives are amazing people right what is it About that.

40:13Rob Lowe:And how about my wife? She's got a show to do, you know? Yes. She was always the last on a set. I mean. What is it, do you think? You must have contemplated this over the years. Yeah. I just thought it might change. We got married. Maybe it would change, you know? Yes. Maybe, you know, because I assume you are. I'm always on time. Always on time. I believe it's impolite. I agree. If you're late. I agree. And listen, both of our wives are polite people. So it's not that they, I know, it's, I know. And they always say, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm like, I'm just so sorry. I'm like, it doesn't ring anymore.

40:51There's no ring to it anymore. It doesn't mean anything to me anymore. I mean, it's just, I mean, it's the same thing. Like people say, so what's the key to the marriage? I said, well, the key is the moment the head hits the pillow, any arguments, any discussions to the day and it's a fresh day the next morning. And my reason that our marriage lasts is because I hold a grudge.

41:20I just can't. I mean, boy, you got me upset now.

41:26Rob Lowe:No, I'm glad to hear it. It's like I have exactly. It's never ending. It's never ending. It's never going to end. Here's where I draw the line. I draw the line and she doesn't do it very often, but every once in a while, she has a little bit of a conscience about it. And when she has a conscience about being late, she wants me to be the fall guy. And that's when I draw the line. That's when I'm like, I am not gonna say that I just got off the set or I just, I shot longer than we thought or that I couldn't find the car key. I was like, I won't hang you out to dry, but she doesn't do it very often.

42:04And so I just saw this. I don't want to change subjects on you, but I will. I just saw this piece today. A thousand big-time writers. Yes, I saw this. Directors, producers, actors have all signed on about... The merger. Reneging on the Paramount Warner Brothers deal.

42:26Rob Lowe:Yes, they don't want the Paramount Warner Brothers merger. It's interesting. And I understand that consolidation inevitably means less jobs for sure. I've also asked people about it on the other side of it, and they're like, they don't see a sustainable Warner Brothers in five years without it. So, there's so much going on in this business. I mean, look at the news business. Holy moly, can you believe what's going on? But we're living in... It's the only time I'm glad I'm this old. It's, no, it's - Where I don't have to make a living with it. Well, listen, I don't know how people coming up today in this, it bears no resemblance to the business that I was in four years ago, let alone - Really?

43:18Rob Lowe:That soon? Oh, yeah. Four years - That recent. Four years ago, you know, there were probably, I don't know, each streamer, each network was probably making a minimum of 10 new shows a year. And that was way down, way down at 10. But everybody was making probably 10. There are, ABC is not making a new show this year. Not one. Really? Not one? No comedy, no drama. They didn't pick one show up. Not one. Wow. And that, and you know, it just, no one's spending money. No one's making anything. Remember in the old days when they used to have these big upfront. Oh yeah. The upfront. Festivities in New York and everybody would come into town and bring the, so that the advertisers could get a taste of the show.

44:10They don't even do the upfronts anymore.

44:12Rob Lowe:Fox doesn't even do an upfront. They don't even do them. And, and, and that's like the, the, the, the, the most minor stuff of it. It's, we're living through the meteor. We're the dinosaurs and the meteor has, it had been streaking across the sky for a while. Like everybody knew it was coming. Well, now it's finally hit. And I look at it, it's like, we're all trying to figure out, are we gonna be the species that figures it out? Or are we going the way of the dinosaur? And this is not even counting AI. Not even counting AI. Not even counting AI. I'm bullish on AI. I'm very, very bullish on it.

44:57I think so, too. Yeah, I think it's not going to be as inhuman as people think it is.

45:07Rob Lowe:I agree. And the reason I think so is I think just if you, if the timeline of human development has been marked by the creation of the human genius and human intellect, the notion that you would go, ah, well, this is where we draw the line. We don't want to get in. Thank you. We don't get any smarter than this. Right. Yeah. I feel like if we're ever going to get to the stars, this is how we get there. If we're ever going to cure cancer, this is how we do it. No question. My son-in-law is a big-time oncologist. Oh, huge for them. He tells AI is going to change medicine like you would believe. Well, all for the good.

45:53Rob Lowe:And already, because there, look, there is a lot of scary stuff that could go wrong. But the same with nuclear. I remember when we first started with nuclear energy, you know, Gene Fonda did the China Syndrome and there were going to be five three-mile islands a year. Right. Remember? Well, that never happened. And in fact, nuclear is considered safe. Some of the best and cleanest energy there is. Yeah. So, you know, there's always a horror story. You know, I mean, the invention of fire. Fire could have burned everybody alive. It's always going to be scary. But, you know, right now, if you're growing up in the inner city and you don't have any access to health care or the hollers of West Virginia, you now today, as we speak, because of AI, have the same access to health information as the president of the United States for free.

46:42Rob Lowe:And that's kind of an amazing thing. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I'm not scared by it. I think about it, but I don't get scared by it. Is there going to be an AI, Maury Povich? Are you going to have like an AI? So in 50 years, like your father was actually your brother. what oh boy what was the oh those days boy on on on that show on murray what was the yeah there were physical fights obviously right the guess what they weren't they were not you know jerry and i were were very friendly and we started we both started in the same year in 1991 and uh jerry jerry gave me the best review i could ever have he would always tell everybody you don't understand maury's maury's show is the real thing and my show is wrestling got it yeah that makes perfect sense yeah and you know i yeah that makes sense i so i i you know and And, you know, I've had critics all, most of my career, I mean, they all dumped on me a lot, used to say that we exploited these issues and we exploited these things.

48:05And I'd say, look, if I can get a father who's denying a child into this child's life, we know that that child has a better chance. I'll rest my hat on that. So, you know, you can dump on me all you want as to whether we're exploiting this or not.

48:22Rob Lowe:Well, people vote with their feet. You were the early creator of, like I said, the TMZ. And I, to this day, am amazed at how penetrating we were. You know, I get these people all the time coming up to me about, we grew up on you, stayed home from school to watch you. We tried to fake being ill and sick. We used to hold temperature thermometers up to the light to get them hot so we could stay at home and watch your show. and I was walking down the hallway of a talk show recently and this guy comes and gives me this biggest hug. And my man, you're my man. And I'm, look at, it's 50 cents. I went, oh my God, if it got to be 50 cents.

49:18I mean, I must have made an impression on some people.

49:22Rob Lowe:You never know. Isn't that amazing? You never know who's watching. I mean, you truly never know who's watching. Isn't that true about you? Some stuff that you've done over the years And all of a sudden, these people you don't know or you couldn't even think of them in any other context, they come up to you and say, Rob, you did such a great job in that film or that TV show. I mean, I get it from athletes all the time. Shaquille O 'Neal has told me that he and his buddies used to bet on whether the guy was the father or not. Every segment, he would bet all the time. I used to have NFL players tell me that they'd be in the locker room, the show would be on the air, they wouldn't go to practice until they found out who the father was.

50:13Rob Lowe:It's great. Right. I mean, it really is. It's an all-time conceit. It's an all-time conceit. Don't you think? Oh, my God. Yes. That's when you really feel good about yourself. Yeah. No matter how chaotic your own life is, you could watch that show and go, well, I guess I'm not that fucked up. Exactly. I mean, these critics should pound on me and pound on me, and all of a sudden, 50 Cent? What, are you kidding me? Yeah The people You know The people understand The people get it Yeah And I show up in the lyrics Of all these hip-hop artists All these rap artists No way I mean That's great Nicki Minaj or Cardi B is saying Well, let's go settle our feud on the Maury show You know It's pretty great, right?

51:06Rob Lowe:Yeah I told them I'd go out of retirement I come out of retirement to do that. She'd be in a music video. Who, I saw that you had Connie, was Connie your first guest on Par? Yeah, it was terrible. I mean, it was not terrible. Because I interviewed Cheryl. First of all. I interviewed Cheryl on my show too. And it's weird having your wife. Yeah, it's weird. She's an audience favorite as it turns out. So I don't know about you, but I don't know if you go back this far, but it's almost like a Burns and Allen comedy sketch. I know who that is. George Burns and Gracie Allen with me and Connie. I mean, I'm George.

51:41I'm the straight guy. And you never know what's coming out of her mouth. I just, I never know. I just, I've been married here for years. And I still don't know if you ask her a question, what the hell she's going to say. Isn't that amazing?

51:57Rob Lowe:Well, that's probably why we're still interested. I think so. I mean, she has this great sense of humor. I mean, I did this thing on this show. They had this little jar and questions were in the jar and we hadn't seen them. And we're supposed to pull out this question and ask each other this question. So she pulls this question out. And it says, Mari, when are you the sexiest? And I said, Sundays. Really? Sundays? I said, yes, Connie. Sundays. It's Sunday with Connie. I don't play golf on Sundays it's Sundays with Connie don't you remember and she goes oh I forgot I forgot I mean that by the way ends up that just went viral that line went viral so now everybody knows what Connie and I do on Sundays I'll be thinking about you guys on Sunday I will be thinking about you.

53:07Rob Lowe:Let's play golf one of these days. So do you belong to a club out there? Yeah, I'm a member of a little club up in Montecito. It's a very, very, very punitive. It's not Valley Club. It's not Valley. I've played the Valley Club. Valley Club's great. I play it a lot. It's a McKenzie course. It's a McKenzie. This is a Robert Trent Jones tight, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight, punitive, but it's made me straight. Right. Which is great. Yeah. I used to play a lot at the three great courses in L.A., Bel Air and Riviera and L.A. Country Club. Those are great. Great. They're great. They're terrific.

53:50Rob Lowe:And I, yeah, I mean, you ever come East? Yeah, not as much. I'm always working when I'm East. I'm always, but I'm going to come out to, I'm shooting a new movie with Cameron Diaz now. I'm going back and forth. Ooh, really? She's great. She's amazing, obviously. You know her? She's the best. Really? She's fun. Is she as funny as she sounds? Yeah, and she's just a great hang. Do you know what I mean? She gets it. She's cool. Great mother. Her husband, Benji Madden, is one of my favorite people who's just learning golf, by the way, and loves it. But so we'll, I'll try to look you up if I get a day off from shooting out there.

54:31Rob Lowe:Do you ever, do you, is that where you end up going up near Montecito to have fun? That's where I live. I live in Montecito. Wow. Yeah, so I've got great golf up here and great weather. We spend four or five months a year in Montana. Oh, that's great. And it's not, you know, all the COVID high spenders who went out there after COVID to get out of the big cities. Yeah. We've been going there for 30 years. Yeah. And we don't go to the swells down there at the Yellowstone Club. We're next to Glacier National Park. I kind of live on my own mountain. I like that. We see enough people. We talk to enough people in our lives.

55:19Rob Lowe:Exactly. Exactly. That's the way I look at it. Because I'm an extrovert professionally. And on my own dime, I'm an introvert. Yeah. How are you on the golf course? I'm a nine. Oh, good. All right. I'm a 5.5. I used to be really good 25 years ago. I played in the U.S. Senior Amateur. I played in Match Play. And I played in three British Senior Amateurs. What? Jesus Christ. No way. I had no idea. Oh, yeah. Fortunately, my wife knew about the disease before she married. Yes. And it is a real thing, isn't it? Yeah. They got to know. Because if they don't know, and all of a sudden you get addicted to golf and they feel alone and they think all kinds of things.

56:16I know.

56:17Rob Lowe:I always say to people about golf, it's like screwing around with an addictive drug. You can dabble, but eventually you're going to get hooked. If you start dabbling, you're going to get hooked. But at the same time, to me, it's as good a self-analysis as there anything is in your life when it comes to trying to figure out who the hell you are. Because every single emotion you will have will be seen in 18 holes. And for me, it is done more for my concentration. Like I understand concentration better for being a golfer than anything else I could have ever possibly have done to learn the ins and outs of concentration.

57:05Rob Lowe:That's very good. But being a nine, that's good. A nine is good. I'm getting there. I mean, it's, yeah. I'm definitely. What were you when you started out? Well, I gave it up for 24 years. Oh, you played as a kid. I screwed around as a kid. I never properly played. I never took lessons. I just hacked around. Right. Kind of got serious in my 20s. Then I had kids and gave it up. And then so when my kids left, so it's been about eight years now I've been pretty serious about it. So I started, I really didn't play until I was 30. And then I, you know, I was classic baseball best. Yeah. So I had some eye or hand coordination, and I was probably a 15, and I got down to maybe a six or seven.

57:57I won some club championships, and then when I turned 50, Connie, for my 50th birthday, did all this research and hired. She said, this is the golf guru. This is the best teacher around. I'd never had lessons.

58:11Rob Lowe:Whoa. And so she hooked me up. This guy came to our house in New Jersey. His name is Peter Costas. Peter Costas is a great golf announcer for 30 years on CBS. Yes, of course. And so now she calls him the golf devil because I've been chasing Costas now for the last 37 years all around the country. She says, you see Costas more than I do. Are you kidding me? And I call him up all the time. and he always tells me the greatest thing. He says, there's only one, there's only one lesson you've never learned. I said, what's that? It's between your damn ears.

58:52Rob Lowe:Well, I'm excited to check out On Par, perfectly named to get me. And Connie's the perfect person to start with. She's one of my favorite guests ever. I mean, she's a living, maybe I'll have to have her on again and never know what the hell she's doing. I promise you, ask your people what the demographic, I'll bet you anything. She's one of, people love to know what our wives are like, just like the, you know, they want to know what the hell we're doing at home. Okay, I'll bite the boat. All right, it was great talking to you, Amore. Please give her a hug. And I'm going to start working on my game because I didn't realize you were that serious, Jesus Christ.

59:33Rob Lowe:Oh, no, oh, no. We'll have fun. Okay, we'll have fun. Thank you. All right, buddy, see you. By the way, the way you get that good handicap, I got to move up, move up to those forward teams. That's right. Yeah. Okay. I mean, at my age. I know. Listen, it's fair. 6 ,000 yards is enough. You've owned it. 6 ,000 yards. That's right. You've earned it. Thank you. Appreciate it. Good to talk to you. Thanks, man.

1:00:06Rob Lowe:there you have it on par maury povich wherever you get your podcast but i'm glad you listened to this podcast and please keep listening because um we're going to keep at it um and i'll see you right here next week thank you for being with me and i mean it in all seriousness it means a lot to me that you uh hang out with me on a weekly basis let's keep it up right here on literally

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