My Misspent Youth (w/ Jo Koy, Gwyneth Paltrow, Ralph Macchio, and More)

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22:47Rob Lowe:Okay, so I'm going to introduce you to some guys that you may know, you may not know. they are partially I would say more than partially responsible for one of my favorite shows ever on television it's always sunny in Philadelphia Dave and John Chernin or as they're called the Chernins the movie is August 23rd on Netflix incoming high school my favorite is raunchy high school has there ever been a high school comedy that didn't have the qualifier of raunchy And by the way, what is raunchy really? It's so raunchy. Has it ever been used for anything other than a certain type of humor? What does raunchy mean to you?

23:35I have never considered this question, but I think it's a very good question.

23:39Rob Lowe:It's a really good one, I think, right? It gets into gross-out territory, I think. Bodily fluids. Okay, yeah. With some raunch, and I hope we deliver. Yeah. I know you will. I know who I'm talking to. Come on. A raunchy, like, did you go in when you were, you go, listen, we had this idea. It's a high school comedy, but this one's raunchy. This one's different than the others. I don't think we ever set out to like provoke or to like be, you know, gross or big just for the sake of it. It's just the way our twisted minds work, unfortunately. In the panthenon of high school comedies, raunchy or not, what's the...

24:29Rob Lowe:I mean, fuck. I mean, it's not really... I guess Breakfast Club isn't really raunchy. That's true. Is it? No. Not raunchy. The American Pie is the peak of raunch. Yeah. Super bad. That was in there. Porky's had some raunch. But raunch doesn't always age well. you know as we studied the genre a lot of the raunch uh it's it worked at the time but i think it's best left there walk me through what did you guys obviously you're familiar with the genre anyway because that's why you wanted to do it but like when you were like okay we're actually doing this did you go back and what did you go back and re-watch if anything everything everything yeah like we when we went to write the first draft of the script we like went and rented an airbnb somewhere and just hold up for like two weeks and every night we'd blaze through a different high school comedy and some hold up better than others uh like clueless blew us away and like we've loved that movie forever but watching it 25 30 years later you're like this thing just kills every beat and that's not a very raunchy high school comedy actually it's true um but there's some great ones you know like fast times at ridgemont high dazed and confused American Pie is very funny even if it feels like it's of a different era to an extent but I think the best ones even if they're raunchy have a real sweetness to them and there's a lot of heart Fast Times is an amazing it's killer I mean that was probably the main inspiration for this one Fast Times so I went to school with all of those people with Sean Penn and all those people.

26:13And for years,

26:14Rob Lowe:we had supposed that and assumed that Sean based Spicoli on a particular dude that we all knew. And finally, Sean admitted it like a couple of years ago. And I was like, because he would show up. We had a thing called nutrition, which was not lunch, but it was a time, it was like a 20-minute period called nutrition where you would go and get anything but. Like you'd get like a cinnamon fucking thing and milk. or whatever and this guy would show up with a bagel in his shorts on the top of his shorts and of course picoli makes an entrance doing the exact same thing i was like that has to be bud has to be uh i mean that performance is inspired it's incredible and it's funny like seeing him now like you know he's such a gifted actor like winning multiple oscars but seeing him just turn on the comedy like that is something to behold.

27:12The more you learn about Sean Penn, the more you appreciate that performance because it seems so unlike who he is. Oh, 100%. Did you guys go to Sammo or did you go to Malibu together?

27:26Rob Lowe:Well, he was a few years older than me, so we missed each other. My memories of Sean aren't really even at school. I think he might be four years older than me. I He did go to Malibu Park and Sammo. We all circled through it. I was Chris, his brother was a year younger than me. And four years in high school is an eternity. It's like an eternity. Yeah. That's a grown-up. Yeah, he's a fucking grown-up.

28:00Rob Lowe:Ralph Macchio. I was thinking about, there are certain songs that come on and I think, Like, oh, this is the Outsiders playlist. Like, oh, this is what we listened to on Matt's boombox in the pouring rain shooting the rumble. It was, okay, so obviously Bruce, right? Right. Obviously. There was a lot of clash. Wasn't Dylan into the clash at the time? A lot of clash. And then Tommy was into Adam Ant. That's right. Do you remember Adam Ant? I do. I do. I can't, don't ask me to sing any Adam Ant, but I do remember. What is it? Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. I can't do it. But he was, Adam Ant was pretty great.

28:42Yeah, yeah, no, I remember at the time. I remember Dylan was always playing The Clash. I had Springsteen on the box all the time in my room, and the hotel security would be like, could you turn that down? You know, Darkness was probably the one that was rolling a lot at that point.

28:59Rob Lowe:It's funny the memories you have. we played a lot of caps. Remember caps? Yes. Which by the way now they, the kids, it's beer pong. Yeah, it is beer pong. It's beer pong but in our era it was caps. And I can remember vividly it might have been, I don't know who it was again, it might have been you. You know the last notes of jungle, down in jungle and I threw the fucking cap up and it was like Yeah, yeah, right? I remember it like it was yesterday. Oh, well, that's where it all began for so many of us. That movie was the one everyone wanted to be in, so we all wanted a piece of that. I read it when I was 12, so it's kindred spirits, man.

29:47And it's just anytime I see you or Tommy, Dylan or Diane or whatever, it's just, you know, it's like first, you know, freshman year of everything.

29:59Rob Lowe:That's what I say. People say, what's, you know, do you ever see this or that? When I'm like, it's like when we see each other, if you were in a fraternity or a sorority and you see your brother or sister, that's what it is. Yeah. That's exactly like you go, you go right back to those, to those days. I mean, dude, we were so young, I remember being thrilled that I could order room service without my parents yelling at me. Right. So how old were you then? How old were you? You were 17? How old were you? I was 17. Right. I was one of the elders. You and Swayze were the elders. Yeah, Swayze had me by a bit.

30:39But, yeah. But so was my second movie. the second movie but I did a TV series I was on this TV show called Eight is Enough

30:49Rob Lowe:do you know my connection to that yes I read it in your book and I said I didn't know this yeah you think you know a guy so um Eight is Enough was a big hit I had done a bomb for ABC but they were nice enough to give me a like a holding contract or whatever and they were going to add this amazing character to Eight is Enough and and I got to go and read I worked my way through the audition process to get to the network reading. And I remember sitting in these giant chairs at Century City. I think the network had big chairs to make you feel insignificant. Yeah. And I look over and there you are.

31:28Rob Lowe:Of course, we didn't know each other then, but you're over there. And it's, I think it was just between me and you. And I didn't get it. And you did. And I was like, God darn it. I learned that when I read your book. I didn't know all that i learned that and i'm just it's interesting because as you write and your memory um you know it's it's not so much selective memory but it's the stuff that that solidifies in your mind over time and how that feels and how you felt and that you write to that so you know it'd be interesting to have that visual playback of what really played out on the day versus what you feel and take with you.

32:09But as long as it's honest, I think that's what I always reach for.

32:13Rob Lowe:And the other thing is, with a little bit of never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Oh, 100%. I'm not sure that Martin Sheen, when he would patrol the neighborhood during Halloween to keep the punks in check, I'm not sure he was actually in his Apocalypse Now clothes. But you had it painted that way. In my memory of it, he was. But for sure he was patrolling the neighborhood with a baseball bat. I'm not making up stories. I remember you telling me that story. He said, Emilio, get the ball bat. Get the ball bat! I remember you saying that. I remember hearing that story from you in the lobby of the Tulsa Excelsior, which is now like a double tree.

33:00Rob Lowe:I went and looked for it. I was in Tulsa. I did too. And I went up to the sixth floor. I did. And my room was being serviced. No. I swear to God. It was like cruise me where you were, Tommy, Dylan, down the end of the hall. I just, it was a trip. It was a trip. Can you imagine a floor of a hotel? Let's walk over. You kind of did it, but let's just marinate. Yeah, let's let it sit and simmer. Okay, so I had an adjoining room with Tommy Howell. Right. Because I had Cruz next to me. Dylan was further down the hallway. Yeah. And Emilio. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't remember vividly. I remember Cruz next to me and Dylan down the hallway.

33:46Two reasons. One, I just do. But two, with Dylan, we'd go run lines sometimes. I'd come like he'd say, you want to run these lines in this scene? And I would go down to his room and we'd run some of the lines, you know, the barbecue sandwich scene from The Outsiders. And then with Cruz, he was just right next door. And I remember the script for Risky Business coming. And him saying, I'm getting a script if they, you know, put it in my room if it comes up here. I just remember the script. It didn't say Risky Business on it. It just said, you know, it was just an envelope. So I thought, what if I took that script and just that trajectory?

34:31Rob Lowe:I remember envelopes arriving for Leif and there weren't scripts. Yes, there weren't scripts. They were kind of padded and puffy and soft. I remember thinking the coolest thing in the world that Leif had figured out a way to get to FedEx's blow to us. And it was like, but you were a good boy. You were a good Long Island boy. I was ridiculously good. You're very, very – you didn't fall down the – but we would like imbibe with Leif and then walk to the river. That was our big night. I do remember you saying – I put this in the book. I do remember you saying to me that we should get me a T-shirt that says do not disturb on it.

35:13That's right. Because I'd always have that on my door, blasting Springsteen or studying my lines. I was at that point, it was like I was so taking everything so seriously. I mean, I did have fun. I got out. You know, we had good times. We had our chase parties and all that stuff. But but I was pretty reserved and sort of arm's length from from diving to the other side of the tracks.

35:37Rob Lowe:Yeah, because there was the other side of the tracks was, ironically, Tommy Howell. Right. At 15. He's 15. That guy cut a swath through Tulsa, Oklahoma. Like a tornado. And, you know, the other thing that was amazing is the business, I don't need to tell you, has changed so much, obviously. This is a Warner Brothers studio movie by one of the most iconic directors of all time. Everybody in the world knows about it on everybody's radar. And as a 15-year-old, they would provide you with alcohol and rap every night. At times, they were a-changing. Do you remember, by the way, when you said you ran lines with Matt Dillon, I'm stunned because I feel my memory of Matt is all he did was ad lib or try to.

36:26Yes, but this is this one scene and he's mentioned this a few times. So that's the only reason I would dive into it a little bit. But that scene we shot, he had all the dialogue there.

36:40Rob Lowe:Is this the one where he's talking about getting the train to Windricksville and everything else? No, no, after that. This is when Sofia comes up. Sofia Coppola is a little 10-year-old in the drive-in, eating the barbecue sandwiches. And he's saying – That was a big audition scene for people. Right, yeah. I get you a hideout, a hangout, a hideout. You hideout anything. So that's where the ad lib came from. And then so we only shot – it might have gotten dark. I don't remember exactly. But we had to go back and finish up the scene. So at that point, I don't know if I asked or if he asked, because he always would say, you're the most professional actor I've ever worked with.

37:19Just because you want to run lines? I thought that was the deal. I thought you had to learn the lines. No, not bad. So it was a little bit of a bonding moment for us. It was Johnny and Dallas.

37:33Rob Lowe:You guys are iconic. I mean, I can't think of a more iconic pairing. It was great. I mean, it was great to experience all that stuff. But that's one of those memories, like I alluded to earlier, that sticks. You know, there are many others that just blur. The other thing that blows my mind looking back on it, and I guess it's because it was my first movie. I was super excited. We were all friends. It was a good time everywhere. but I remember being on the set during scenes I wasn't even in yeah me too I schlepped out to the church sequence which is way outside I was at the scene I have a picture from the day of the barbecued where you guys were getting the sandwich on the car where I brought my dad there we would just show up on the set even when we weren't working yeah it was camp

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40:16Rob Lowe:Penn Badgley, what was your auditioning experience like? You got some good audition stories? Well, sure. The first one that comes to mind was a moment that I was both humiliated but also felt kind of empowered because I was like, I knew that it was like not right. Um, I went out for a, would have been these days it would be the CW. The CW still exists, right? Yeah. So, but then it was the WB. Yes. Back, um, and I was going out for a show and you know, I mean, I've been working for Warner Brothers now basically since these days, but, but, uh, but so I was going out for a show. Is it better if I named the show or not?

40:53Oh, it's always better. Okay. I'm pretty sure it was charmed. I'm pretty sure it was charmed and I'm pretty sure I was 13 or 14. I was, I was young. and I had, I think, a callback for, you know, just some, just some, just barely a role. It was just a guest star, like a kid who would have been, and Charmed was a show about witches and supernatural things, so I think I was a kid witnessing some supernatural thing, and in this moment, in the script, in the sides I'm auditioning with, the kid is meant to be saying something in disbelief, like, how? What do you mean? Something like that, you know? And I already hated that kind of television.

41:38It's not even a judgment to that. It does what it does. I had already been out for so many roles like that, that I was learning to become cynical, you know? And I really didn't want to be there, to be honest. And I really didn't like these lines that I had to say. And this moment of disbelief that I needed to have, I just could not get behind for the little 12-year-old life of me. And I gave a terrible delivery. I went like, why? Or something like that. Because, you know, it had those stutters. Or you yawned in the middle of the line. Yeah. And one of the young writers, because there was just a team flanking the casting director.

42:19It was a giant room full of people. Somebody actually laughed out loud. laughed out loud at my line reading which you know might not sound that bad but let me tell you that's a rare i mean you know like to actually laugh to scoff audibly in response to a child's line rating yes like you're an adult get your act together man and i and i was humiliated and didn't really know how to continue but had to of course and but then in my mind i was also like what the does this guy think he is? I'm a child. Yeah, so anyway, that's just one little...

42:53Rob Lowe:Yeah, I can remember having a... I was probably 12 and Fred Silverman, who was then on the cover of Time Magazine as the smartest executive in television, he resurrected, I want to say, NBC and came up with all these hits. I had an audition with him for some reason and he talked on the phone through the whole audition. I mean, he feels like he didn't talk, but he had the phone to his ear and was listening with one ear and listening. That was good times. Good times. It's the rejection of an audition is actually when you're that young, you don't realize how much it's shaping you. Yeah. How much therapy have you had over it?

43:30Because I can tell you, my therapy bills are a lot. This is not a shameless plug for my show. We don't even have to talk about my podcast. No, I want to talk about your show. But this is actually how I kind of got into it because it's about these years. It's about the middle school years. It's called Podcrushed. And, you know, and my two co-hosts have a completely different experience. They had a more, they come from actually middle school administration. So they're like their former teachers and they're professionals in that way. Didn't work in media at all until this. So, you know, this kind of magnified shame and rejection that anybody who auditions goes through, I think is like, it's essentially the feeling of being in middle school, you know.

44:12Rob Lowe:Literally any human being. Yeah. There's a part of us that's forever stuck in middle school, I think. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I actually fully agree with that. Yeah. And the more we do our show, the more that thesis seems to be proven. Yeah. I very much agree. And you know what? I think that's kind of because it's like humanity itself is going through the same process of coming of age. You know, we're going through this transition. We've never been able to see ourselves as a global people before the last, what, 100 years or so? we're going through the same the same painful coming of age it's super interesting

44:53michael cera i don't know if you ever had a version of this i was in shreveport working on a movie years ago and um i was in a restaurant and um i think super bad had just come out and the guy who was our waiter so i think the situation which i figured out later was like some of the staff recognized me oh that's the guy from super bad i was there with a friend of mine and our waiter i think hadn't seen it and he was like well you know who and they were like you go ask him if he's the guy from super bad so they enlisted him you know but he didn't hadn't seen the movie so he came over and he looked at my friend and you know and he goes hey hey aren't you you're from that movie man you're from that movie and that was such a weird situation because we were like what is happening and how do we you know just how do you yeah you

45:36Rob Lowe:How do we move past it? And the guy either has to lie. Yeah, my friend was so confused. Yeah, I am the guy. We were doing the math lie in real time. And I said to him, I think this was my attempt at breaking the ice and sort of bringing us all home, but it made it worse. But I said to him, I was like, have you seen the movie? And then because he hadn't, he got so defensive. And he started snapping at me. He was like, yeah, of course I've seen it. You know, what's your problem? And then the whole situation got so ugly and weird. And there was just no way to reel ourselves out of it. You know, we all felt terrible.

46:10Rob Lowe:Such a great movie, though. Super bad. It's it's I think super bad. I think your guys's work, the two of you, Jonah and you, or is just beyond belief. I mean, I'm not kidding when I say I really am not that I think you guys should have gotten nominated for Oscars. I'm not kidding. That's so sweet. Well, do you have a feeling like that movie is so long ago for me, and I guess you might have this with some things you worked on where you have basically no memory of the process. I mean, I think it's really sweet to hear you say that, and I can kind of take the compliment because I feel so separated from the world.

46:46I don't even know what I did or what you're even talking about, but I appreciate you saying it. But I think that it was a very conducive environment to good work because we all just felt really relaxed. I know that was going on. Like we all, I didn't feel like we were making a movie. It felt like we were all hanging out, having a good time.

47:04Rob Lowe:Well, that's what it felt like. It felt like it was like such an authentic hang. You're like, I'm hanging with these characters. Yeah. Yeah. They, yeah. I mean, and all credit, you know, for that goes to all those guys, you know, Seth and Evan and Greg Mottola. I mean, it was so relaxed. I mean, and not only that, we felt so supported. Like I would be hanging out, you know, during scenes that I wasn't in hanging out at the monitors and, you know, and I was like my first feature film really. But I felt, you know, by like a week in, I felt comfortable enough to like make suggestions, you know, and make pitches to like scenes I wasn't in.

47:37I mean, at first I kind of did it like dipping a toe, like, is this even allowed? And it was so embraced, you know, they would laugh and they'd be like, oh, yeah, let's do that. It was just so embracing and encouraging of an environment. You know, it was very magical like that. And it's funny because their process, Evan and Seth, the way they make movies is so, I don't want to say it's on the fly because the scripts are always really great.

47:58Rob Lowe:But when you're on the set, they pitch wildly all the time, yelling stuff out. Yeah. Total curveballs. Just like, trailer! Yeah. You're like, okay. I did a little thing for them in a movie called The Interview. Yeah. And I was just blown away with how - It's a crazy movie. It's insane. And the fallout of that movie. Dude, it almost brought the country to war. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a fascinating story, that whole situation. So the interview, for those of you who may have forgotten or didn't see it, was Franco and Seth Rogen playing hack journalists, basically, that go to interview Kim Jong-un of North Korea.

48:39Rob Lowe:But this is pre-North Korea really getting in the news, saber rattling, yeah. And the North Koreans were angry. They hacked the studios. They cyber attacked the studio. It was literally an international incident. Yeah. This stupid little funny comedy. That was crazy. And by the time, and it happened before the movie had come out, unfortunately. So by the time it came out, the notion that it was even a movie nobody cared about. It was all about the - It was the story. The drama and the intrigue. And I can remember being on the, there was some premiere we did somewhere. And I remember Seth had to travel with an armed guard.

49:18Rob Lowe:Sure. Yeah. You don't want to get the smear. You don't want to get the smear. The poisonous smear across your cheek that makes you die in five minutes. The poisonous smear. That's right. They do that in the other – Yeah. But that was going on. It was a real thing. It's pretty scary. And of all people in the world, Seth, really? I mean like the most harmless human you could ever come across. It was so crazy that they were at the center of all that. That must have been a fascinating movie to be a part of when it was coming out because – Well, did it eventually? Because basically, like Kim Jong-un was saying that if it played in theaters here, that was like an act of war, right?

49:56He was going to consider that, right? Yes. It shouldn't even be shown in theaters. Yes.

50:01Rob Lowe:And was it? Or was it not? It was to my recollection, but it was, again, this is one of the things that like my memory of it is so foggy and it's all so insane that I don't remember what's true and not true because all of it sounds like it's a made up story. I know. It's so insane. You can't believe that it happened. Just circling back to Arrested, that cast, what was the vibe like on that show? You're so young, though. You don't really know. You're like 13. Yeah, my perception of it and my experience of it was loving the cast, loving the atmosphere, and being so excited to be on the show, so proud of the show.

50:43and me and Alia who played my cousin we were the two youngsters on the set you know how it is when you're a child actor you kind of have to zip off to do your school work in between scenes it's a lot of work but the real bummer for us was like there's such a hang going on all the guys were all chain smoking and hanging out at the trailer and laughing and we got to sneak in where we could but it was sort of out of reach in a way because we had to go to our you know schooling and she and i had each other and we're like best friends to this day so we had each other and but and we did get to like hang with the guys and they i mean at least when we were shooting you know and they were always um they never censored themselves i mean they were it was very much like big brother vibe really encouraging you know everybody was always really really encouraging with us but really it was a tough like room to hold your own in just in terms of just, just even if you ever ventured to like, maybe try and say something funny about these guys or something, it took a lot of nerve because they're performing at such a high level and such a rate.

51:51It just makes your head spin. You know, you're just taking everything in just, we just basically would watch them and laugh all the time. You know, it was just a lot of laughing. You've been listening to literally with Rob Lowe produced by me, Sean Doherty with help from a, Associate Producer Sean Calvano. Research by Jeff Fox. Engineering and Mixing by Joanna Samuel. Our Executive Producers are Rob Lowe for Low Profile and Nick Liao, Adam Sachs, and Jeff Ross for Team Coco. Booking by Catherine Cook. Music by Devin Bryant. Special thanks to Hidden City Studios. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time on Literally.

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