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23:19Rob Lowe:And it's not there. Alan Alda is in part so great because he loves science so much. So I would find him, that should have been sort of, in many ways looking back, that was probably an early wake-up call to that I find science very soothing. Like when they always are talking about this idea of find something bigger than yourself to hold on to. Yeah. For me, I really use the scope of that. I read this Bill Bryson book called Short History of Nearly Everything or something. I was just like, ah, I love concepts, you know? And they were separate from anything. Like I was so bad at science in school.

23:59But Alan Alda, I remember, he would be the only person I would find really relaxing because he was... And I was buddies with the kids like Natalie and Gabby and Lucas. but anyway the point of the story to your question is that i actually spent like a very close year with what year maybe two years because at the end of the whole movie i actually had to go back and um do all the voiceover stuff so i was like in the uh you know i was with him at his office every day sort of like recording and re-recording as he would change the narration as he was editing and soon he would always be there with the new york times like reading out

24:35Rob Lowe:the obituaries reading out the obituaries that's amazing yeah it was like a real like woody allen stick they had going but i do think that on some level that was my sort of like aspirational goal goal going into um uh to tish is i was like oh i guess i'll be like that's what you do you sort of you do a decade of child acting then you work with woody and then you go and you learn how to write and direct movies and read a bunch of philosophy and then you know you get these great cinematographers like carlo de palma and all these you know you have to make these uh i mean his movies are pretty you know gorgeous all things considered for kind of comedies and and then instead i just i bought an apartment out of the back of the new york times and then yeah just went on a rump springer none of those things happen and now now i'm 40 it's all happened does it feel like you woke up one day and like you're you are who you are and you go where did it because i don't know i look back because i started young too and it feels like it's when this is how you know like quantum physics is the real thing and and and that time isn't linear because it feels like it was yesterday and it also feels like it was forever yeah i know it isn't anything it's just yeah what's weirder still is how seriously we're supposed to take it all i guess and um yes i it does it does often feel weird and thank you so much for segwaying me so nicely into the show but i was similarly uh curious about that concept of sort of like what they call time's arrow you know um And this idea that you can remember the past, but you can't remember the future, when in fact it is sort of being proven, like you're saying empirically, from a scientific standpoint, that there is some sort of block universe happening.

26:12And time is conceivably an illusion, but it's our perception of it that makes it, I guess, real. And I guess in some way that's what the show is trying to straddle is a question around, you know, would this sort of anarchy of non-time actually be preferable? Or is it, you know, the nature of finite time that seems to give life meaning?

26:35Rob Lowe:Right. And I don't know. I would personally be fine with, I think, I think I'd be quite a happy vampire. I think I'm an anxious person and I, I would love to, uh, you know, take more breaks. I think I always feel like I lost a whole decade in there from, you know, being a junkie. And I would love to, I think I'm so scared of kind of time running out and I still smoke cigarettes and it really stresses me out. So I would love, yeah, I'd love to become a vampire or a mammal on the cyborg and fix that. How, because I'm in recovery now 32. Wait, hang on. Let me do the math. Good news is it's long enough that I have to do the math.

27:19Rob Lowe:30, 32 years. So when you exited your junkie era, did you, did you get into proper recovery? Do you do the California sober thing, which is always, you know, California sober, by the way, is I do, I still smoke pot and I drink, which works for some people. It didn't work for me. How did you navigate it? well to be honest i'm always sort of like reluctant to uh you know talk about this stuff in great detail i'm always you know curious how you do it because i always heard a thing about like you know you don't want to be um oh yeah personal stuff with too much transparency like if you're you know driving um and you have road rage and you got some weird bumper sticker that says like hey i'm in recovery and then everyone's like oh i guess that doesn't work so i'm not gonna try it that's right so like a sort of measure of uh yep so i always try to be like a little bit you know i mean i think it's uh in in my case it's sort of such a kind of uh you know public outing whatever this is i guess like 15 years ago uh that i mean thankfully i guess there wasn't really internet yet or it would have been a lot more chaotic uh although i sort of wish i had some videos i wish i had like the teenage videos i would have made just like i've got an iphone Burning your apartment down, just Sid and Nancy type shit going on?

28:41I'm kind of like, where are those videos? Yeah, so it's sort of, you know, I mean, it's obviously pretty evident that that's not my lifestyle anymore. But I always do try to be somewhat vague about it. But just to say, I'm obviously, I'm not a junkie anymore. And I guess it's been about, you know, 15 years. And I do take it all pretty seriously. I'm not really you know this and that I know what you're talking about I'm like the sort of exception to the rule type of recovery stuff but I do wonder about the by cigarette smoking and if that should be legal I feel like they should have made that illegal or something because I use those things like crazy and I would not say that I'm like a fully as you know I'm sure that you're still a very sick person And I would not qualify myself as particularly well, but what's so funny about getting your life together is almost outwardly, I no longer live a life where other people are being punished as a result of my inner life.

29:55Like even if my inner life sometimes feels similar or familiar to me, it's like, you know, I show up, I'm where I say I'm going to be. It's like, I do my best. I'm like lead a life of deep transparency for better or worse. You know, I'm always telling the truth and I, and I do really believe in, in trying to kind of contribute in some way to, you know, I think, you know, just like reading the news is so, overwhelming and I think I'm very empathetic to what it feels like to be a person because I've seen such a large swath of humanity and experienced my own road that's been high and low and so when you see all this stuff and like I remember we were editing the first season and it was like that wave of almost like Twitter suicide was kind of like first happening like Anthony Bourdain had just killed himself and it was shocking it felt like every day there was a new person that was and people were just dropping like flies like extraordinary people just couldn't hack it and uh then of course we all lived through this pandemic in season two and i think on some level for me making this show is very much uh my response to that of saying you know on a deep level as best as i can like hey i know what all this stuff feels like and we're in this thing together so let's get really honest about the fact that it feels weird because it is weird and the setup of the game is off and like you're not nuts for feeling like life doesn't make a ton of sense or how how are you supposed to get this sort of um you know gusto to go on and and want to play this game with this riddle where you die anyway and you're supposed to be in a rat race your whole life.

31:47And, you know, all these kind of big sort of existential questions and, you know, monogamy and career and like self-image and perfectionism and compare and despair. And like, I just think my heart really goes out mostly to young people and like young weirdos. I think that's mostly where, that's like a lot of where my recovery lives. And then in essence, yeah, just like, yeah, I show up in a big way, even if I don't, even if I'm not dying to. Like if I say I'm going to do something, you know, I'm there and I'm all the way present for it.

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33:07Rob Lowe:And in terms of outcomes, 93 % of RULA patients report symptom improvement. If therapy has been sitting in the back of your mind, RULA is a pretty simple way to take that first step. So turn off the talk track that's keeping you from progress and head to RULA.com. That's R-U-L-A.com to find a therapist the easy way. Spring has arrived. Spring is also the perfect time to refresh your outdoor space. And Paragold is a destination for luxury home bringing design's best brands together in one place. Paragold offers its largest ever selection from ready-to-ship outdoor furniture to weatherproof lighting, accents, and serveware for every style and space.

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36:52Rob Lowe:so in this season of russian doll it's the subway right is is a big is is basically the the storytelling engine that's i heard that was amy poehler's idea is that is that a fair assessment yeah now she's trying to backpedal it now she's trying to say it wasn't but it was i know because I was a showrunner, so I managed the budget of it. Yeah. And it's a brilliant idea, you know. So, yeah, we already had, like, the idea of a sort of portal device, and we already had the subway to go visit the character of Ruth. And she said, oh, why not make up one thing? And it was a very classic Amy sort of stroke of genius of, like, once you've heard it, you can't put the genie back in the bottle.

37:37Rob Lowe:Yep. It seems like it was sitting there all along. So it's out right now. It's out. And do you know if they've renewed you for more or have you been renewed? Are we getting a season three? We don't have that information yet. At what point do they tell you? I'm only curious because I'm about to go through it with Netflix. Oh, is your new show the one with Fred for Netflix? Yeah, it is. But you guys haven't shot your first season yet, right? No, I start Monday. Literally this Monday. I start literally Monday. Did you create it? I co-created it with my son and Victor Fresco, who did Santa Clarita Diet and Better Off Ted.

38:14Rob Lowe:So it's very similar to what you guys did. It's three of you co-creating. Yeah. It's horror? Horror genre? No, it's comedy. Oh, good. It's comedy. I play a larger-than-life, increasingly unhinged father who is a tech genius, very renowned. And my son plays. The son is trying to get out of that orbit. any way he possibly can. And Fred is playing a psychiatrist that the board of my company has forced me to see because they think I'm losing it. Ooh, like the Sopranos. But funny and you and Freddy. Well, I've kidnapped him and he's now living in my basement. Ah, why would you do that to him? Well, no, now he wants to live there.

38:56Rob Lowe:He doesn't want to leave. Because my basement's so fun. And we make forts and have hot chocolate together. It's very insane. I literally cannot wait to start working with him. but I'm so curious because you're doing this with your show. It's very much the same thing. Do they go, well, looking good. People like it. Maybe there's a season three. You're like, just tell me. And it is, it is sort of like that. And I mean, it's a little, you know, I think what's weird when you get into kind of like these O'Toole whatever shows that are happening now is, you know, it's never really, you're not really on the same sort of like network timeline of, oh, we've got to make this and we've got to churn it out for the next cycle.

39:35Like more likely you're doing something almost like, okay, when this idea is like totally together and we've got all like the writers and all the elements that we kind of want to do. And it feels like now is the window to do this because, you know, it takes really a year to do it.

39:51Rob Lowe:Yeah. But since you've got to take a year to, you know, Blue Sky and get an idea and do a writer's room and you've got to staff everything and hire everyone and pre-production and shooting and editing and like the mix. And then, you know, the publicity of the thing, like marketing it, it really, it's a pretty big gig. So it doesn't, I don't know. In my experience, it doesn't really, this year, obviously we took three years between seasons. So, I mean, a lot of that is obviously pandemic, but even still, Right, right. That's true. I would say it's a little bit less traditional than, you know, you're set up to kind of get back so you can get back on the, you know, primetime schedule for the next season.

40:31But I guess they're all different and they're doing it, you know, more, you know, it's getting more different all the time.

40:38Rob Lowe:And you have how many episodes a season? Is it up to you guys? So season one is eight and season two is seven. Did they ever ask for more? By the way, you're walking past a Peter Falk picture. So you've mentioned Peter Falk, and there's a picture of Peter Falk. He clearly occupies something very special to you. Ryan Johnson gave that to me. We're doing a show together now. And one day this showed up in my house. So now it's here. I just moved in here. I was a big Columbo person. Did you like Columbo? We're different ages. It was on TV when I was a kid. I do. I like Columbo very much, and I like all of it.

41:15I like Wings of Desire, and I like his whole cast of Eddie's scene. And then, yeah, I really, I do love Peter Falk.

41:22Rob Lowe:You know, he couldn't think of it. You wouldn't, today he wouldn't be able to smoke if he was on a network TV show. That cigar was a big part of Columbo. Couldn't do it today. Yeah, I know. And how would he even solve those cases without it? I know. And the other thing the network would be like, we're a little tired of the overcoat. Yeah, they'd be like, maybe like a little leather motorcycle jacket or something would be sexier. Just to break it up, I had Ron Howard on the podcast. This is my all-time, all-time network note story ever. So on Happy Days, if you go back and look at Happy Days, Fonzie makes his splash entrance.

42:00Rob Lowe:He's the breakout character of breakout characters with his leather jacket. And the network gets concerned that the leather jacket will signify to everybody that he is involved in drugs. so they tell Gary Marshall that Fonzie cannot wear a leather jacket on the show because leather jacket means drugs and so Fonzie if you look at some of the early episodes is in a like a madras cloth jacket and eventually Gary got around it because the network agreed that if he was on his motorcycle or near his motorcycle he could wear the leather jacket so if you look at Happy Days he is always in his leather jacket but the motorcycle is in the Cunningham house.

42:45Rob Lowe:It's in the diner. It's literally on the set. And that was only so that the network would let them wear the leather jacket. I mean, it's insane. The things that they, that they, that they get in their heads. Insane. Oh, it seems almost like anything that's sort of a trouble spot is what later becomes iconic. And it's weird that nobody's figured that out yet or something like you would think that they'd be able to see that coming a mile away. Like, Oh, we don't like it. Well, that's what it's going to be known for. Boy, it's so true. We had, we're going through that a little bit now on the show.

43:17Rob Lowe:Like the things that worry people have the, you're right. The things that worry people have the very, you know, DNA to pop, make, make people notice. So true. Russian doll is out the new season. What are, do you have any highlights? Do you have any favorite episodes? Have any favorite moments? Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's pretty wild. It's like a psychedelic adventure show. It's, uh, it's dense. I really, I really hope that people watch it. We put everything we had into that show and it means everything to me. There is some very, very silly things that happen. I would say that the top of episode six is pretty insane.

43:58Uh, involves a very unsanitary birth. So if that is your bag,

44:04Rob Lowe:boy, will you love it? The unsanitary birth demographic, is because i know i know what the people like um yes you know yeah it's uh if you love liminal spaces unsanitary births and uh trips through time my god this is this is your bag if you want to hear someone kick out the hits oh we got you gonna get a hot playlist uh i uh i can't i mean And I can't think of anything that's more descriptive that makes me more excited. Tell me about Dennis Franz. Tell me a little bit about your obsession with Dennis Franz. I'm very curious about this. I just think he's such a good actor. I think I just really, I go in big for the real deal.

44:53That's my shtick. So I really like heavy-duty people who are, I take things very seriously. I'm a ridiculous person, but I'm obsessed with the work, you know? Yeah. And I like seeing like the true content of a person's soul reflected on screen. I think that Dennis France does that beautifully as Detective Sipowitz. There's just something about him that just feels so deeply human. And yeah, I'm really, I'm a sucker for humanity. I really sort of like, I guess maybe that's even part of why I'm never like, you know oh these are the things that i do to you know um not get high as i actually you know i've absolutely no judgment on anybody that gets high i totally understand that in fact i'm like i'm so blown away i think it's so wild that we live in a world that um you know even have has those things available i'm like you know why shouldn't everybody be allowed to take them because it makes so much sense that people would need a way to kind of like soften the load or make things more fun or you know just make sense of things and anyway Dennis Franz really doesn't do any of that but somehow it seems like he's a container for you know all those feelings that people have in a real sort of normal dude way that has nothing to do with like like of course I love of Lou Reed or whatever, you know, or Salvador Dali or something like, uh, these are a certain kind of people, but there's something about Dennis Fran sort of like grounded dude that has nothing to do with, um, yeah, I just, I, I, yeah, I love his person.

46:33I love how like kind of down and out he feels. Uh, and it feels like, you know, I mean, it's a whole thing, right. There's also, you've got David Milch in there, I guess.

46:42Rob Lowe:And now David Caruso kind of a genius. I mean, like, yeah, I'm a big David Caruso CSI guy. I did a little, well, with Maya. Maya and I did a show called The Grinder. And she played my psychiatrist. All your friends are playing my psychiatrist. What does that mean? And I'm secretly the psychiatrist. That's the plot twist. See? I mean, so when we did The Grinder, I did a lot of Dennis, sorry, of David Caruso channeling. I'm a big fan of him and CSI. Well, every time I take my sunglasses on or off of the situation, in my mind, I'm just doing Carissa. Now, you've seen, I'm sure, the supercut, the famous supercut on YouTube of him doing the one-liners, taking the sunglasses off one after another.

47:32Rob Lowe:Please send me this. I have not seen it. Oh, my God. You haven't seen this? No. Oh, you are going to, when we're done with this, you are going to look at that. It is absolutely the most enjoyable three minutes. It goes on and on and on. And each one liner is more ridiculous than the next. It's the best thing ever. It's already my favorite thing. No, no, it is. Trust me. I stake my entire reputation on it. So if people are listening, you have to go YouTube. It's davidcarusosunglasses.edu. supercutedu.gov.com, AOL, whatever the hell, however you find it. It's my favorite thing ever. Yeah. And you know what it is also?

48:16Rob Lowe:It's like as an acting thing. It's like, it's such a bold, because it's a bit much. It's more than a bit much. It is much. It's actually much. Well, it's actually insane. And it's funny when crazy things become normalized through repetition. Yes. That's what it is, I think. and that you just become immune to them and you just start to accept them even though the first time you see it, you're like, oh, that's a crazy thing to do. And the second and the third time, you're like, now it's getting crazier because he's doing it more than a few times. And suddenly you're just like, that's what he does.

48:46That's who he is.

48:47Rob Lowe:And the lines, we've got a sinking crime scene and the tide glasses is coming up. Cue the who. It's the greatest. Do you know the David Caruso ghost story? Has anybody ever told you this? No, please, please. And I'm going to tell a story and you're going to think, oh, yeah, that's an apocryphal showbiz story that may or may not be true, but it's genius. I've now had it confirmed by multiple writers. It's true. David Caruso on – so I have a friend who's a writer on CSI. He comes in in like season three of CSI Miami. And you're like, hey, welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you. How's it going?

49:29Rob Lowe:Great. Great to have you in the stuff. Hey, has David had to talk with you yet? and he's like no what david's gonna talk about what he is well you'll see so david eventually has this young writer you know and and says listen so you know my character um horatio crane is that i think the character's name um is a wraith he's like i'm sorry you know he's a wraith so he He is a spirit of problem solving, of good versus evil. He is the embodiment. Okay. So don't ever write him entering or exiting. He doesn't do that. He materializes. So if you look at CSI Miami, he does not enter or exit ever. In any scene.

50:30No way. And I,

50:32Rob Lowe:this sounds in so insane as to not be true. And I've had it confirmed multiple times. This is. I told you. One of the craziest things I've ever had my whole, whole life. He's a wraith. I'm, I'm so happy I came here. This honestly, this changes many things in my life. It's a star move. Like scenes going on and they're talking all of a sudden you're, Hey, what are you talking about? And you cut and the person's already in the room. but here's my question if you don't let people shoot you coming and going out of doors right how do you find your in memoriam clip oh why because that has to be like you entering no it's entering it's exiting it's always like every time every time i every time i go through a door and turn around and look at somebody go that was it that's my in memoriam weird i'm weird that's a specific trip you're having isn't that isn't that a dark dark thing you know fred always says that his um deathbed line is going to be last looks that's amazing it's incredible that's that's i'm stealing that i am going to i'm going to call my my co-creator son johnny low and say i got a good fred fred story yeah and now every time they call last looks uh i'm set i immediately picture a deathbed it's like all that jazz and it's just last looks well how about now when you leave a scene and turn around.

51:56Rob Lowe:Like Columbo. That's all he did was exit and turn and go, he goes, one more thing. One more thing. I will bet you if you look at Peter Fox in memoriam, it was that. How could it not have been? There's a lot of YouTubing to be done after this. I mean, it's a busy, busy day. I was going to take a load off, but not now. No. Fingers are going to get busy. You're going to do the David Caruso and you're going to thank me. I was gonna do the crossword but no no no but no no will you please tell the lovely polar lots of hugs coming her way and the lovely Maya as well and we all need to figure out a way to see each other one of these days and it was lovely talking to you exactly as I imagined you to be in my fantasy of you thank you so much Rob I'm so happy to do this see you in the flesh

52:55Rob Lowe:that my friends is what a roller coaster ride is like so many interesting things that she's talking about and i can't keep up i can't i can't keep up there's so many i want to go back and talk to her again because the nuggets of interesting stuff that she throws away just unbelievable that was that was great um ring ring what's that oh it's the lowdown line Hello, you've reached literally in our lowdown line, where you can get the lowdown on all things about me, Rob Lowe. 323-570-4551. So have at it. Here's the beep. Rob, Joe calling from San Diego. Loving the podcast and just finished your book, Stories I Only Tell My Friends.

53:51Rob Lowe:So good. Avoiding any spoilers, I'll just say that your stories about your interactions with future megastars before they were stars and the inside scoop stuff that changed the course of Hollywood history are just awesome. Questions from my wife. She asked about your cover photo for stories I only tell my friends. How did you select it? Is there a story behind it? It looks like you're looking out at something and shading your eyes from the sun. Thanks. Hey, Joe. And hello, Joe's wife. Didn't tell me what your wife's name was, but hello to her too. I love that you're asking about the book cover.

54:27Rob Lowe:A lot of time and effort went into it. I treated that book like it was an album. Like if I was a rock star in the 70s or 80s when albums meant something, the cover was a big deal. And I wanted an image that, as someone who's a picture taken a lot, would be a picture you've never seen before. And then when you saw it, you would go, oh, that's from the book. as opposed to, oh, is that a still from a movie? So I did a big photo shoot, tons of different poses. And I did that one pose, one image, that was it out of all of the other ones. And that's what we chose because it was different and weird, still looked good, you know, and then the subtext of it is, you know, looking out, observational, all that stuff.

55:18Rob Lowe:A lot of people wanted just a big, pretty shot of my stupid mug. And I wanted something a little more interesting. So I'm glad it caught your attention. Thanks for listening. We're going to be back here. We're going to do this again. I've decided we're going to do it again next week. Okay, it's on. So please don't forget, as usual, to subscribe to the entire plethora and five-star view on Apple. And don't forget Parks and Rec election if you're a Parks and Rec fan. And all of that good housekeeping I've done and I've done it and now go on with your day and go forward into the world. And I'll see you next week on Literally.

55:55Rob Lowe:You've been listening to Literally with Rob Lowe, produced by me, Rob Schulte, with help from associate producer Sarah Begar. Our coordinating producer is Lisa Berm. Our research is done by Alyssa Grahl. The podcast is executive produced by Rob Lowe for Low Profile, Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross, and Joanna Solitaroff at Team Coco, and Colin Anderson at Stitcher. All of the music you hear is by Devin Bryant. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week on Literally with Rob Lowe.

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