Patrick Schwarzenegger: Mr. Zeitgeist

0:00Okay, here's the All-America Jacuzzi team. Me, you, Arnold. Yeah.

0:18Hey, everybody. Welcome to Literally. So parents out there, you know what it's like when your kids have their buddies over and those kids become like your second children. I don't know if you're familiar with that phenomenon. on. That's I have one of those kids is our guest today. I've known this guy since he was probably six years old and he's grown up to become Patrick Schwarzenegger, the zeitgeist lightning rod from White Lotus and just all around like, you know, you can't pick up a magazine without seeing him in a brand deal. He's handsome and talented and funny and great actor and, you know, great family friend of ours and just couldn't be more proud.

1:07And I feel like I'm interviewing one of my boys. Welcome, Patrick Schwarzenegger.

1:18there's the biggest tv since well you're not a tv sensation you're uh i mean white lotus is a whole different thing it's a zeitgeist since mr zeitgeist is with us patrick thank you for having me patrick schwarzenegger mr zeitgeist i mean i was uh just just since you're about to call call me a tv star maybe i was at home with abby and my dad the other day and arnold was talking about how big white lotus was and abby said arnold can you believe it he's a movie star and arnold sat there with a cigar and looked over and said no he's i guess he's a tv star but on a movie star yet and abby was like oh okay yeah yeah arnold is not arnold's petting the mini horse no no he's not yet no he's got to do about five yeah but even i was talking to to john owen about about arnold must be like you know because arnold and i watching you and and John Owen have your own successes.

2:34It's like, as a dad, you're both like a super proud. And then also like, keep going, kid. All right, you're in the door. You know what I mean? So for Arnold to give it, he has to give it up now. He has to, he has to give it up now. He never will. He never will. But, but it is, it's amazing when someone, the best thing is when someone now sees us both and we're together and they come up and ask me for a photo and not him that's what gets the blood boiling oh the boil must be so real have they asked you and then there's one other level of of humiliation for the older generation is when they not only do they not want a photo with you they want you to take it take it yes yes then that's the best oh my god can you imagine that is so sick um yeah you're the zeitgeist boy i mean we've got so much to cover i mean white lotus we've got um we have to talk about the met gala you're a multi-met gala guy at this point right yeah that was my my third one wow so but it's it's this was like this was the first one that i felt uh not like a incomplete shambles of being anxiety ridden and and like so nervous you know like i feel like when you have when you're going at a time when you have a a project or you have something it kind of like levels the playing field a little bit where where you feel like people are maybe interested to talk to.

4:15I don't know, but it just, it felt a little better than, than the last ones. Well, listen, I, that was clear to anybody because you have to have like soaring confidence to carry that clutch bag. Bro, let's talk, let's talk clutch bag. By the way, I'm pro, I'm pro clutch. Is it a clutch you were carrying on the red carpet? What's the, it was a, I think it was a clutch and it, and by the way, they're very strategic. You can hold some really great things in the clutch okay but i was was the clutch is the clutch so slippery that the glove was needed the glove was needed it all was needed oh listen don't i'm only being devil's advocate here i'm doing my journalistic thing because i'm down i don't even need to talk about it i was so sold i was like that's so sick i mean you have to understand i sometimes carry a birkin there you go that's that's uh that's the highest level this was not bad but i tell you what we were mid dinner and at the, at the Met, the portions are very small and you know how much I love to eat.

5:17Yes, I know. When we were done with the dinner and I whipped open my bag and I had protein bars in my bag and I had snacks, everybody was like jealous. Cause it was, uh, I, the clutch came, it came in clutch. The clutch earned its name. So is this true? I just learned this, is this true about the, about the Met Gala that you actually are to go there? You have to be the muse of a designer and the designer designs your look. It's not like you go, I wouldn't wear this. And I want to wear that you're kind of, you know, not, not, not like, uh, you're a model. Is that, is that fair enough? Yeah. Yeah.

6:00I mean, especially this time, you know, was celebrating kind of black designers. And so I went with Balmain with Olivier, who was a fantastic designer. And when I went to try on the outfit, because he kind of shows you, they give you an idea of what they've created and what they've sketched and what they've made. And you just pray to God that it's going to fit you. I mean, I know the girls go through like weeks or months of fittings and all this stuff. The guys, it's a little, you know, more, a little easier. But when I went for the fitting and he put it on, I was like, OK, this is this is great.

6:36I love doing something that has like a little bit of a swing like it needs like a little something that's that's going to flare it up and it's going to be unique. It's the Met Paul. I didn't want to just go with like a plain suit. So but at the same time, you have to. Yeah, you're putting all your trust in the designer. No, it was great. I mean, and you've always been a close horse. How many times have I have, when we see each other, I think you and I always give each other the, what the, the elevator eyes, the up and down and like, oh, the watch. Okay. Okay. I mean, yeah. I mean, oh, the pants.

7:05Ooh, those, those are khakis. Oh no, wait, they're Gucci. Gucci. Yeah. That's what I remember that. Remember that? You, you, you rock, you rock some Gucci, uh, um, like khakis that were just next level. Yep. I mean, I love, yeah, I love clothes and I love, you know, taking minor swings. I feel like I wear some stuff that's out there, but most of the stuff is not. But it's not as far as Johnny Lowe goes. Yeah. But it's. What can we, what can we do? Let's have a very public. First of all, none of my family listens to this podcast. So it's great. It's like they wouldn't, they wouldn't, they wouldn't lower themselves to listen to this.

7:49But but let's talk about John Owen Lowe. What can we do to get him out of this thrift shop phase? Which, look, everybody goes through it. I remember it was like, oh, look at this bowling shirt I found from 1930. It's like, yeah, all right. We get it. What do we do? It's it's tough because I and if I go to the house, if I go to Johnny's house and we jacuzzi or and I need to borrow some clothes and I. I put on a T-shirt and it ends up up here on my nipples. You know, they're like these, the crop top. I can't wear any of that stuff, but we need to have an intervention. Okay. And it's, as you just reminded me, you were a clothes thief.

8:34You go like, you're not, because now you've surpassed everybody. But when you would come over in the day, there was always like, Cheryl would be like, where is John Owen's brand new t-shirt that I just, it's like Patrick was wearing it. Patrick took it. I always knew when I was cleaning out my closet what was Johnny's because it was size like zero or one and it would always be like, what is this doing here? I got to bring this back to Montecito. This was definitely Johnny's. I always know when you're in residence because there's also a lot of shoes scattered. Shoes scattered. And by the way, I don't think Matthew Lowe gets enough credit for his outfits.

9:17Matthew stayed very consistent through the years. He's kind of the Adam Sandler of our family and friends. He's got the staples down. It's really true. He found his look. It works great. He doesn't deviate at all. No, no. He's like Steve Jobs. Wears the same outfit that the cargo shorts and the Oakley glasses. and you know they all make comebacks and he'll be he'll be the one that's sitting there saying told you guys he's told you as we speak he's he took he's took some time off of of work and is driven six and a half hours on dirt roads down into mexico to go fishing on a ponga with a bunch of dudes it's like the no no oh my god no phone reception no nothing really super gnarly i just sent him a video like an hour ago of a shark demolishing a seal on right off of catalina island these fishermen caught a video and i sent it to matthew because i was like this is this is right up your alley that's that is totally up his alley um so where by the way where are you right now are you still in can yeah i'm in can okay is this your first can it is all right it is my first let's talk let's talk um okay first of all here's my favorite can thing that i'm glad is finally getting a little press is the left this everything in the world has gone to ridiculous levels right i just it doesn't matter what you're talking about any subject where you come from everything on its face seems absurd and this notion of if i have to see another headline about the how long the standing ovation it's so dumb it's so i saw one i saw one day that was that was like 20 minutes i think and it said while the tweet happened it said that it was still people were still standing uh so i i was just like i mean can you imagine 20 minutes just standing and i i'm so i'm so curious to be in one of those theaters where it's just like it just keeps going I don't know who's the person that sits down first or who's time or who's timing it.

11:37Are we following? Yeah. Is there whether clearly is a person with an actual stopwatch, because my favorite is that the publicity people can't wait to say so and so indie director got a six and one half. Second minute standing ovation, such and such movie got a eleven point two stand. It's like so dumb. it's it's uh but yet if i had a movie there i would be i'd be standing up until i might stand up for an hour i might just keep clapping how long do you think arnold would stand for anybody i don't he would be the first person i don't know if he would stay he'd probably just wave around i don't know he would think it was for him yeah yeah let's face it it's exactly right he was like they saw me and they were very happy and everybody was doing the thing and the clapping and i left he must have i should ask him to see what's the longest round of applause he's gotten he must have a timer somewhere not for can just in general

12:54i i gotta tell you it's like i've seen i've been really lucky when i've been to can i've I've seen great movies, like particularly good movies. I saw Sex, Lies, and Videotape, which won the Palme d 'Or that year. And like it is like that. They should still be clapping for that movie. They should be clapping for a decade. I get it. But you can't tell me all these headlines, every single movie, most of which you never hear about again, have their. It's so dumb. It's so dumb. but um i saw tree of life there the terrence malick movie that was great yeah yeah that was a really good one um the red carpet by the way we are definitely doing this is i'm gonna retell this is the one percent podcast i'm just saying because we're talking bougie bougie shit here we're talking red carpets met gala we are i don't care to hell with it the it's the best red carpet in the world do you want to know why do you i've i've broken it down because i've been like why is this so spectacular um first of all like i said everything in the world has been debased so red carpets now i mean there's there they're they're red carpets at or mitzvahs now so right there are there's this red carpet doesn't mean anything um and but there it still does because it's double wide so the width of it every picture you see every picture he has red behind it because it's double wide there are photographers on both sides so you get the famous shot of you with people taking your picture behind you and there's no interviews so nobody is like you're not like standing next to danny devito waiting for him to finish talking so right right right you know, whatever.

14:49You're just walking and do anything. And they only let one person on the - The staircase? Well, I'm getting to that. I'm building to the big finish. Oh, okay, okay. Then they only let one person on the carpet at the same time. And so there's like a New York traffic controller going, okay, and go. And they're playing music. Mm-hmm. You have a theme. Mm-hmm. The last time I was there was Under Pressure by Queen, which is so sick. oh that's a great entrance song great it's like a walk-off walk-up song and digested yes yes and then of course which you immediately knew it ends with the ascension up the staircase and then you get i saw brad pitt work that i saw brad pitt and angelina jolie work that red carpet it was a i started weeping i wept it was first of all well they get the you get the staircase going up and And then they call your name and you get that classic churning around the turn.

15:50Oh, the turn. Yeah, just the slight over the shoulder. Yeah. The Redford. Yeah. Redford insisted on most of his closest being over his shoulder slightly. They call it the Redford. Now, here's. So it's the best. That's the turn you want. The turn you don't want. I can teach you this as a young actor is when you're and you should be aware of this. when you do a scene and you're exiting a door and you turn and you and you smile just know this that it's very likely you just did your in memoriam close-up patrick schwarzenegger passed away at the age of 97 today and they're going to use that shot of you turning in the door smiling, looking like, oh, I'm just, I'm just stepping off into heaven now.

16:41So that's, that's, that's what enters my mind. Okay, good. Well, thank you for telling me that. Look at it. Look at how sad you just got. Well, I just, I thought about it. I was like, I was trying to think if I, if I had done any scenes where I'm going through the door like that. Cause, cause, cause you're young. So they're going to, they'll start with you. god remember oh yes remember and then and then they'll you'll do that turn and then they'll do one of you all craggity and towards the end when when you're getting your phony baloney lifetime oscar that they didn't give you when you deserved it getting all pruned up and yeah pruney moony well far far away hopefully far far away what um what okay so uh have you you've walked the closet you've done that i'm i've walked i've walked it i've done my work that i came for and now i'm just here for an extra three days and hanging out when he um i was with holding court i was with katherine last night and and chris is katherine schwarzenegger and chris pratt are married and they're obviously longtime family friends and we had our little we had dinner last night and uh it was lila's third birthday eloise yeah it was yeah i facetimed it for yesterday oh it was eloise's sorry it was eloise's yeah um so and we were i walked in with my my my document about you to prep for my interview and we went through it as a family and we're like they were very insistent that we that i give you tons of shit about the about the man purse but we got that we dispensed with that right away.

18:22That was definitely. It was the way we started. It was great. It was the way we started. Okay, let's talk. Let's talk about, oh, look, you're drinking. See, I love, by the way, that smoothies became such a thing in White Lotus. If I think if they, did Mike White know what a thing that is in your life, in history, when he cast you? I don't think so. I'm a protein. smoothie connoisseur. I'm a fanatic. No, fanatic. It's almost protein smoothie o 'clock. I'm going to get one right now. No, he didn't know it and he's obsessed with them too. He drinks them all the time. Mike has his diet and his food routine dialed in to the top.

19:12No way. What is it? I'm obsessed with people's food health routines. so mike white is in incredible shape he's like if before let's just say call time is 6 a.m crew calls 6 a.m or something and i was working first up that morning i'd go to the gym maybe at like four ish there was one person that was at the gym and it was mike white jesus he might he worked out every day and he's got you know i mean now he's on his third season about to go do the fourth season like you know he's got he's got the perks that he deserves so he's got the chef and he's got the trainers and he's got everything but he's got it all dialed in he's got all this like his lunchbox with the protein shakes and the and you know he's he's vegan but he's he's got all these different meals and hits his protein goals and he checks his hrv and his his amount of sleep and his heart rate and all these different things and every day he'll come up to me and he'd be like he'd be like what's your hrv what's your heart rate today what's your how many hours of sleep he's like i'm i'm this age but today it says that i've got the heart rate of a 21 year old i've got the bone density of this i've got the you know he's got it all figured out i've got the bone that's a great one i that's one i haven't ever thought of i've got the bone density yeah yeah i got the bone density i got the protein that he's always like what's your protein delivery system what's your protein delivery system but he's uh yeah he loves all that stuff that you get well listening he was in survivor right or man survivor amazing grace and all that stuff yeah that's so insane um i know i have a practical question um the resort you guys shot at is it shut down to the public while you're there or no yeah the first two months uh the whole place was shut down and then we went and we traveled around so actually the first season they shot White Lotus in like seven weeks.

21:07And it was all in one location because they had to do it because of COVID. That was how Mike kind of pitched the idea. We can make a show that's all centered at one location. We don't need to travel. We can do a bubble. And that's when HBO kind of bought into it. And then the second season, they left the hotel and some scenes took place elsewhere. And I think they filmed for three months or so. And then our season took place over seven months. The first two months were all at the Four Seasons in Koh Samui, which they completely rented out. And then we went and traveled around. We went to Phuket and did it at another hotel for the spa.

21:43We went out onto the yacht that we filmed on. We shot on there for a couple of weeks. We shot in different parts of Phuket for other kind of in the city and kind of some of the local spots. And then we went to Bangkok for the last month and we shot at the hotel there in Bangkok and then we did studio work then so we were all all over but the the the hotel being rented out like you you would think that it's like amazing but it's really quite weird when you have a day off from filming and you go down to the pool or you go down to the the bar or the beach club whatever and there's not a person there you know it's just like it's it's dead empty unless you bring some of the other cast or something yeah i was gonna say then it makes it a camp.

22:30I, I shot once at a really remote resort and you're right. It's, it's like kind of spooky, but it's also bonds you guys in, in a great way. Cause if, you know, the people are working or doing their thing and then people are off or just figuring out a way to spend time, you know, with their, with their day, who, who was your, who was your like homies? I became extremely close with the people in my family. So Jason Isaacs, who you already interviewed and then sam navola played my brother sarah catherine played my sister parker posey who i had worked with on the staircase before um so i became really close with them because i mean from the time you audition and everything and then we actually booked the roles uh to then flying out to thailand was just like a couple weeks later so we didn't really and mike's not a big like prep guy you know there was no like table read there was no like you know let's go and prepare and let's do rehearsals and let's do all the, you know, he doesn't really do that.

23:32Um, which I think is part of the fun and how he's just kind of captures things in the moment. But our family decided to do zooms for the weeks before we got actually out there. Cause I, we needed to hear each other's accents. You know, I had no idea what Jason Isaacs was going to sound like from a, you know, he's a British guy to, uh, this Southern, you know, North Carolina accent. And same with Parker Posey. I didn't know what she was going to do. And they wanted a distinction and they wanted the parents to have this like hardcore accent but then the kids to have like a very minor accent and so um that was like that was a trip to hear it for the first time i remember hearing parker's and jason's and i was just like oh my god i knew that parker's was going to be like a thing instantly become a thing yeah like it was just everyone was you know quoting her and and and and stuff on set but yeah i got really close with my family and so much so like mike came up to me like week three and he was like hey do you want to have what are you doing tonight you want to get dinner and i was like oh i'm having dinner with like my you know my family and he was like what the what the fuck's wrong with you guys why are you why are you guys thinking you don't have to be method you don't even hang out as a family all the time just just chill like it's not that serious and i was like i know but like we're trying to get like we're trying to hang out and get this the vibe and try to build these relationships and he's like whatever whatever You guys take it so serious.

24:53It was really funny. That's amazing. So you're telling me the minute you heard Parker do her now, it's arguably one of the most famous accents ever, for sure. I mean, name one that's gotten more in because people can get famous for bad accents. But this is a great accent. And it's just, I mean, tsunami. Tsunami. I know. And it's so it's, it's like, it's, I mean, people were really like, you know, they were really talking about it the first weeks and like, Oh my God, it's so over the top, whatever. And then you saw videos coming out of people, which was my favorite people had other people in, in, um, that have a similar accent from Durham, read off the scripts that she had.

25:40And they sounded like just perfect aligned. It was just like, it just sounded dead on. Well, you know, Matthew went to Duke, which is in Durham. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we would go and visit him and everybody was like, tsunami. Yeah, yeah. Now everybody's doing it. I have so many people that come up to me that went to Duke. Like, that's like the first people that come up to me are people that are Duke and they just come up and they say some line in the accent or whatever. It's really, really funny. And also, I just love that whenever your dad is wearing the Duke shirt, he's doing something really nasty.

26:22Like he's plotting killing you guys or what he always has the Duke shirt on. And I mean, I think it's sort of apocryphal that the Duke people were pissed, but I can't imagine that they did that. It's great. It's great advertising. It's great. It's makes. It's. I totally agree. And they, they, it was like the perfect meme for March madness too. Oh, I just knew that it was going to like, it was like all over Twitter of Jason with the gun to his head in the Duke shirt when Duke lost, you know, it was just like everywhere. It was great. It's, it's so good. It's so, it's so genius. What, um, what, so you have a big date coming up.

27:03I, by the way, you should know, I, um, I booked my house for, for the big wedding. There you go. chomp doodles getting married patrick has you guys listening patrick is the best with nicknames and and abby champion is chomp chomp chomp chomp doodle chomp a dom chomp chomp chomp i think you came up with chomp did i it was i know i had a hand in it i think you came up with chomp a doodle or chomp a news or some one of those that you you came up with you're really good at nicknames too yeah i when they were cinnamon bear for your brother christopher is i think one of my all-time favorite ones cinnamon look what just came by the way oh look at that protein what are we what are we rocking what do we got in there did you did you clean the blender gotta clean that blender that is good refuel gotta clean that blender you got some mosh bars in there broken up you got the whole you got the whole thing the whole thing going um so you that you got the big wedding coming up in the late summer before that what are your plans in the summer um you know what it's been like every time that i thought that i was going to be done promoting this show or being done with like like this universe it just has continued i feel like i've been on a two and a a half or three month world tour for the show, which has been incredible.

28:41It's been amazing. But I remember when the show came out, I was like, yeah, I'm going to do like a week of press or whatever. And then it just like continued. And I think because it's one of those shows that comes out over like eight weeks and it just continues to build momentum. And then the HBO team was like, oh, next week they want you to go to Europe. And I was like, okay. And then I come back. Oh, next week, they want you to go back to Asia and go to Bangkok and do so. Okay, sure. oh next week they want you to go to australia i'm like wow really you know next week they want you to go to hawaii where it was originally filmed wow next week they want you to go to like the amount of different countries and different places that i've gone for for you know press and and a lot of the other cast too it was just like uh it's been so surreal and um such a wild experience so i would say that i hopefully i'm going to come back this next week and have some downtime in july or june but then i know that the fyc starts that we're going to do stuff and you know all the different emmy stuff and whatever so i i don't know where the rest of my summer is kind of going but um and then hopefully get back on on set this august right before uh we get married which will be another exciting part i love how busy you are i i love seeing your success.

29:59You're so good. And I know you, I texted you like right away. You're, you're so good in it. You found like a whole new gear in this. Did you, did you feel like that? I mean, I know that as you know, I started young too. And I, I re I can remember a couple of times where I discovered a new gear that I had then had forever. And then you're kind of in that gear for a while. And then you discover if you're lucky another gear. And I think you just keep breaking through boundaries or finding a new way to do things. It feels to me like you did on this one in a way. Do you feel that way? I feel it a hundred percent.

30:36I think that there's three things that come to mind when you talk about this, which is one, you continue to grow and you get better. I started acting very young. You started even younger and became a star way younger than than I was, but, um, you know, getting in class, I mean, I'm still in class for, you know, every week and for the past, you know, whatever, 12 years in the same theater school and, and, and, and, um, studio. And I think you, you just continue to learn from that and doing theater and doing plays. You continue to learn by doing other projects and working with different people. Um, but I think that when I think about your career, you had this too.

31:18I think the more I get to do it and the the it's really comes down to me getting to work with amazing filmmakers like directors um and working with someone like mike white like they they first off build such amazing scripts and build such amazing characters but the the kind of the the the process of working with someone like that that's a writer and a director and comes from an acting background i really think that it's helpful for an actor to get a specific performance out. So I think that's one of the things. And then lastly, it's the fact that it's an ensemble. I mean, I've been really lucky to work with amazing actors.

32:00You know, I really started to feel a change when I was on the staircase and I was working opposite Colin Firth. And I mean, that was Colin Firth. It was Julia Pinoche. It was Tony Collette. It was Michael Subar. It was Sophie Turner, Dane DeHaan. Like everybody on that was Emmy and Oscar winning actors, except for me. And it was like this amazing, just like a masterclass of getting to work and, and learn from these actors. And, um, I think it's kind of like tennis, you know, where you, you, you, when you play someone that's better than you, you, you kind of learn and you grow and you have to kind of go up to that level so i think um without a doubt i i i felt like i was in a new gear or shifted into a new um yeah level on this project did you ever uh have a a moment you talk about working with with on staircase with people who were at a level that is unbelievable they're all masters where you're in a scene with somebody like that and you can't help yourself oh you almost get taken out of it by what they're doing in the scene like i oh yeah where you're like you're like oh what the oh fucking whoa you ever have one of those two times i can think of it right off the top of my head one time was the opening scene of the staircase when i was acting with Colin Firth, and it's a one-er.

33:32The first 10 minutes is a one-er of me being drunk in the car, getting out. There's police everywhere. I run into the house, and I find our mother dead at the bottom of the stairs. I go, and I'm looking for my dad, and I find my dad, and he's weeping in the chair with blood all over his hands. I remember we didn't rehearse it at all. I remember just going in, running in, and going up to Colin and going and looking into his eyes. And Colin was just like the most professional in character, you know, just almost to the point where I was like, holy fuck, this is this is this is nuts. Like it was like a moment of like kind of realization that you felt like you were really in it.

34:14And it was like I it was kind of like a moment to myself of like, don't blow this, you know, like just it was like. So that was one. And then the other time was on set with Parker. and I we were mid-scene we were eating and I spit my water out everywhere because she made me laugh so much with because she would just improv dialogue on on the whim and uh it just totally took me out of it she would just say things that I just I was drinking water and we were at a table and she said something I just spit out and uh yeah I mean I think there's there's multiple occasions. But when you work with a, I don't know, I mean, you've done it with so many amazing comedic people.

34:57I feel like it's just, it's hard to keep it together when you're working with someone like that. And those are always the things that if you're lucky, that's what you take away from that, like it will always be your, your thing. Like white Lotus is, is a thing that belongs to everybody. Now everybody has ownership in it. And, but like, and it becomes actually something different than what you did. Coppola was the first one that taught me this when I was talking about the godfather with him and i was telling how much i love the godfather he goes yeah you know the godfather's become this thing and everybody you know it's but for me the now the godfather feels like you know that lamp you know it exists people know it but you know for me it was the making of it so it's like those making of stories are so good i i just and then you know and work and working with the greats you know like i can remember on on wayne's world dana carvey had a scene where he was he had a robot hand he was building he was trying to smash it with a hammer and it was just he and i and and he was just trying to make me laugh in the scene and i remember my palms running sweat running out of my palms trying not to laugh and um that's the so like wayne's world is whatever but like for me that's what it is you remember those working with great people and and yeah i mean there's there's so many examples that i have and and i mean it's i yeah i'm so curious what it was like to work with i remember you telling me a little bit about like on outsiders or something you know with with how different directors have worked with you and some of them have just been like go act you know don't they don't they don't mess with your performance they don't come and tell you different things versus you know sometimes you work today and people are you know the lighting the cinematographer comes you need to hit these certain marks you need to get the light on you here when the camera guy comes and says, ah, you got to go over this way a little bit more.

36:48And then the director needs, it's a really interesting, um, experience to work with just different types of, of directors. But I remember you saying that I think about, was it, was it Coppola or who was it that, that kind of just let you, well, it's what's, it was Coppola who literally let us do, it was great. We would explore it. It was very improvisational and like you would rehearse and rehearse and do versions and try different things and then and only then would there be a discussion about where the camera would go and and i remember because that was the era of the young filmmaker auteur that that was everybody then of course all the young filmmakers wanted to be like those guys.

37:35And so for the first, I don't know how many movies I did when I came onto a set, I expected, and it was done that we, the actors would get the set with the director and we'd figure it out together. And then I remember one day, like the memo went out throughout Hollywood and you go on the set and good morning. Good morning. How's everybody good? you have a good night yeah that's great okay so um i was thinking patrick you're gonna be seated here and um and okay i i was thinking you guys would like you're coming in the door so you guys are like a really heavy becoming it but i i'd love you guys to get seated in this configuration around the middle of scene and then and then at some point maybe there's a cross over to the refrigerator i remember going are you fucking kidding me all right you're fucking kidding me and now that's how everything is done everything yeah i haven't been on a set in years like where where where it didn't begin that way i think like for me lotus was like it was like a perfect blend of the two because i think mike is the writer and the director and the showrunner and the creator that he has the liberty of like whatever he wants goes yes you know he doesn't have someone else really telling him so he definitely has an idea in his head of what he's wanting and the kind of performance he's looking for but he also just lets you do what you want with the character like he really allows you to breathe into it and just bring different ideas or try different takes where you're just doing something totally different or certain physicalities or certain antics or certain this thing that thing i mean there's some of the best parts of this show are things that he kind of comes up to you and gives you what he's looking for, but then just lets you go and create the scene.

39:29And it's really fun to work with someone like that. It's very liberating of just having a director and a creator and a collaborator that's like that. Well, the more experienced, the better, and more confident the directors are, the less they say to you. i mean that's just the way it goes right i mean you know steven spielberg isn't giving direction to anybody he's he's cast who he wants he knows what to do you know what i mean whether you're steven soderberg all you whoever it is is like it's the insecure directors that feel like they have to earn their place on the set where they want to right which is probably why casting is such an important part for this the show and for for him and and the process that they go through to find the right person because they don't want to be doing all that when they're on set.

40:23No, no. It's like casting, you know, casting is the most important thing in the world. It's the most important thing for the movies. And it's the most important thing in your personal life. You've got to cast your life. Like it's like, you know, people always say, how did you and Cheryl get together and be married for so many years? It was casting. It's like we picked each other. We cast each other. She cast me as her husband. and I cast her as the wife and the show's been running ever since. Yeah, that's a great way to think of that. Right? I mean, for sure.