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6:04Rob Lowe:Which is really good, man. I could walk through a casino every day of my life, never, ever, ever be tempted to put anything down. And the same on sports. I don't need the gambling, and I don't need it to watch with interest either.

6:18Rich Eisen:Me neither. And, you know, fantasy football is, I guess, a more passive version of it.

6:25Rob Lowe:And I loved fantasy football until it— Here's what turned me out of fantasy football finally is, one of the things the NFL has changed is they're just the revolving door of running backs.

6:37Rich Eisen:Yeah.

6:38Rob Lowe:It's so hard to—

6:40Rich Eisen:You can't figure it out.

6:41Rob Lowe:You can't figure it out. So how do you draft them? I think auto draft.

6:44Rich Eisen:Just let it auto draft. Just let the computer do it for you. Let the computer do it. Yeah, but you're right. It is an ism in the fact that, you know, I know you're an Ohio guy, and I'm sure you were a Pete Rose guy growing up. I was just thinking about it. Right. Yeah. That if Pete, when everything went down, if Pete had gone on the same, if you will, tour as Mickey Mantle did towards the end of his days, where Mickey went on, wrote a book, went on the talk show circuit, did the Today Shows and all that sort of stuff, talking about his alcoholism. and how it made him a, you know, a worse dad and a worse everything.

7:31Rich Eisen:And if Pete had done that sort of tour about gambling, I think he would have been in the Hall of Fame. 100%. Before he died.

7:40Rob Lowe:Before he died, yeah. And I knew Pete fairly well. He was his own worst enemy. I mean, he was... I bet. He just was unrepentant about it because, you know, he said, I never bet on my team to lose. Right. The fix was not.

7:57Rich Eisen:I know that's what he said. I mean, I don't know. Gambling is, again, it is an ism.

8:04Rob Lowe:Yeah.

8:04Rich Eisen:So, but if he had basically said, don't be like me. I know there's millions of people whose family life and, you know, parent life and, you know, work life got upended because of gambling. Don't be like me. Mea culpa.

8:22Rob Lowe:Yeah, for sure.

8:23Rich Eisen:He'd be in Cooperstown. I really always thought that. Always. I'm curious to see what happens if it's,

8:33Rob Lowe:because he was like, he was not interested in it posthumously, famously. Yeah. He was like, he's like, if I don't get it when I'm alive, I don't need it when I'm dead. And I wonder if the kids.

8:45Rich Eisen:Maybe they should. I mean, listen, I show my kids Pete Rose videos. Oh,

8:51Rob Lowe:that's unbelievable. Right. Listen, if you're a sports fan out there and you haven't looked at Pete Rose's numbers, it's bananas. Yeah. You can't believe it. It's fake.

9:02Rich Eisen:It is like fake. And the same thing, you know, in the recent conversation about Bill Belichick being passed over for first ballot enshrinement.

9:11Rob Lowe:Let's get down with that. And what is the Bill Polian thing? What's going on? I'm missing something here.

9:18Rich Eisen:So, Bill Polian is a pro football Hall of Famer in his own right. Yes. And an NFL guy through and through.

9:28Rob Lowe:Big Peyton Manning, Colts.

9:30Rich Eisen:Yeah. And so, you know that era of the Peyton Manning versus Tom Brady early parts of Peyton's career and early parts of Brady's career. Right. That the Patriots got the better of the Colts more often than not. Yes, exactly. And so the Patriots stood in Peyton Manning and the Colts way every year with the exception, I believe, of one.

9:55Rob Lowe:That's right.

9:55Rich Eisen:Right?

9:56Rob Lowe:Yeah.

9:56Rich Eisen:He finally got past them. Yep. and Polian was also in charge of the competition committee or was very influential in it where there were some rules that got reemphasized about how you can defend receivers and being able to put your hands on them because the Patriots were manhandling Marvin Harrison Sr. and then eventually Reggie Wayne and things of that nature. So there's always been a Patriots-Colts thing, especially even after Polian, Deflategate was one of the gates that keeps getting mentioned with Belichick's lack of first ballot enshrinement. And even though the deflated football in question that sparked it all was intercepted by the Colts, one of the few good plays the Colts had in that AFC championship game.

10:52Rich Eisen:So there's a lot of axe-grinding accusations, and certainly the article that beat everyone to the punch before the Hall of Fame announcement occurred is that Polian was one of the 50 selectors, or is one of the 50 selectors for the Hall of Fame. And in the conversation about Belichick's candidacy, mentioned a few things here or there about the warts. The punishment would be fitting if he's not a first ballot Hall of Famer, even though there's been a lot of pushback since that report that he never did that. But the problem with Polian also in this respect is his, when it first was broken by ESPN, that Belichick was not going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

11:43Rich Eisen:He told Polian, and this was mentioned in the article, that Polian was an architect of it, or at least somebody was trying to lead that cause. He told Sports Illustrated that was an uncategorical lie and that he did, in fact, vote for Belichick. the original reporters of the article from ESPN then contacted Polian, who suddenly could not say for certain who he voted for or did not. Couldn't say for certain? And this was about an hour apart. And the vote was two weeks prior and he just couldn't recall. Which smacks of like, you've got to be kidding me.

12:22Rob Lowe:Yeah, I'd say.

12:23Rich Eisen:So, you asked what the Polian thing is, that's it. But the reason why I bring it up, because you mentioned Pete Rose's stats are just so absurd when you look at them. You know, just in the conversation about why it is absurd that Belichick wasn't elected in his first possible year, you mentioned his numbers and it's like you're in the middle of it. You're like, why would I even dignify this by citing his numbers?

12:52Rob Lowe:This is the thing about, and I always felt like at least the Hall of Fame, their numbers, their actual numbers. I mean, a lot of it is subjective, of course, but it's like you either did it or you didn't do it as opposed to acting awards, which is completely subjective. And, and so therefore way more inclined to be political. Yes. And all of that stuff and, and about agendas and things like that. But when you think the hall of fame is, I mean, it's, what more would you need to do to be a first ballot Hall of Famer?

13:28Rich Eisen:There aren't. There aren't. You know, again, the numbers are just absurd. In the same way, also, whenever you watch a game on Fox now that Brady is calling, okay? Mm-hmm. And they take a shot of the booth, and Kevin Burkhart's on play-by-play, and Tom's on, you know, as the analyst, and they're standing next to each other, which is automatically, like, the toughest two-shot in sports. You know?

13:53Rob Lowe:Yeah, yeah, unless there's an Apple box. You know what I mean?

13:55Rich Eisen:Like, it's not just that. Like, I've interviewed Brady before, and I try and bring the, when Brady was playing, I brought my best Xenia suit. I just brought the tie that would always pop. And then at the two shot, it looked like I was wearing a burlap sack. You know what I mean? So Burkhart is standing next to Brady. And the graphic at the bottom of the screen is Kevin Burkhart, and it says NFL on Fox, underneath his name. and then Tom Brady and underneath his name says seven times Super Bowl champion.

14:27Rob Lowe:I mean, and it's, it's just, it's absurd. They talk about gaudy numbers.

14:32Rich Eisen:It's like one of those things like if you didn't know any better, it's like, what should we put for Brady? Like how many Super Bowls is it? Seven? Just put seven. Like you're just throwing a number. It's, it's absurd to the point where I feel like they should put for Kevin Burkhart the number of Emmy nominations that like give him something other than NFL on Fox. You know what I mean? Like just, it's just so inequitable.

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18:51Rob Lowe:You know, Brady's really become really good.

18:54Rich Eisen:He's no doubt.

18:55Rob Lowe:So I'm not crazy. Like I, all of a sudden I was like, wait, he's really good now.

18:59Rich Eisen:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because again, like for Tom, there isn't a situation where he'd be like, yeah, I've never seen that before. Or yeah, I've never been there before. It's like, name it. Why did he get better? Comfort, I think, repetitions. And I don't know if anybody gave him this note or it just naturally happened. And this is why your guy Peyton is so great of a watch on his Manning cast with his brother, not just because you naturally see the same thing with the Kelseys with their podcast, is that you see chemistry and you're attracted to the enjoyment.

19:41Rob Lowe:Yeah.

19:42Rich Eisen:And that's what comes through with Brady is his love and enthusiasm for the moment. And it's not manufacturers. Like, this is amazing. This is great. Like, you could hear he's like a kid.

19:54Rob Lowe:Yes.

19:54Rich Eisen:He's like a child playing. He let himself have fun. Correct. And that's infectious. that you feel that. And then it's stuff like when you come back from a break and he's just like, yeah, this play is called and he knows the name of the play, you know, and we used to run it. I preferred to do it, you know, when there was really 90 seconds left in the half, they did it with about 60 seconds left. So, you know, those extra 30 seconds really mean something about more down and distance opportunities. And then you're like, holy shit, like I didn't even think of that.

20:24Rob Lowe:Right.

20:25Rich Eisen:And, you know, he's been there and done that. And I guess to bring this all full circle, a lot of that is part and parcel of being coached by Bill Belichick and breaking things down to the nth degree about a matchup or a down in distance or about a time left on the clock or about a hash mark. It's better on this hash mark. It is better on this part of the field. It's better inside the 30s as opposed to in between the 30s. it's an attention to detail that he picked up because he was coached by the most detail-oriented, situationally brilliant head coach who unfortunately would also look at the rule book with that sort of granular aspect and put it all together.

21:10Rich Eisen:Baseball used to be that way. I mean, baseball, you would always, there's that great, you're not cheating. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. It's the old axiom. I don't know who did that. But if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. It's the old axiom. And in that respect, too, again, I'm reading everything because it's my gig. you know the one of the co-writers of the piece that broke the fact that that Belichick's not getting it it's two writers one a guy named Don Van Natta who comes from the New York Times world of of investigative reporting and Seth Wickersham who is an author as well as a reporter for ESPN an author of many books on the Patriots so it makes sense the two of them collaborated for this scoop.

22:00Rich Eisen:And Wickersham in one of his books on the Patriots said, Goodell, when the Spygate stuff happened, which is, you know, recording somebody else's sidelines to get their signals and then being able to translate it by matching it to the game film so you could steal their signals in a future game. And they attempted to apparently to try and do it from the first half and use it in the second half, but weren't able to crack that code within a game. But at any rate, Roger Goodell, while investigating it on behalf of the NFL as the commissioner, reached out to a bunch of other coaches to say, what's the scope of this issue that I'm dealing with here?

22:39Rich Eisen:And called up Mike Shanahan, who, interestingly enough, is still waiting to get in the Hall of Fame despite having two Super Bowls.

22:48Rich Eisen:And Shanahan apparently told Goodell, like, I wish I had done this. I had thought of it. I wish I had thought of it. And it's just like, huh, really? Like, you're not sitting here saying, my signs are getting stolen, so to hell with him. A pox on his house. He's like, no. Like, there's nothing in the rulebook that says what your punishment is, so you might as well just cross the line. Like, Belichick read the rulebook. Is there any, like, what's the punishment for this thing? Well, there's nothing in the rulebook talking about your punishment. All right, so then let's do it. And the other famous quote from Seth's book is that Robert Kraft asked Belichick, like, how much did this help us, the spying?

23:33Rich Eisen:Like, how much? And Belichick quoted him a percentage of 1%. It helped us 1%. 1 %? He said, it helped us 1%. And Kraft's like, well, then you're a schmuck. Yeah, then that's a fact. Like, that's not the squeeze should get more juice than 1 % if we're risking reputation and draft choices and whatever.

23:55Rob Lowe:It's not a first ballot or because of it. But that's still stupid.

23:57Rich Eisen:Like, even when that was going on, no matter how outraged anybody was and how disappointing it was to learn about all this stuff, I never once thought, like, this is disqualifying.

24:08Rob Lowe:No! I mean—

24:09Rich Eisen:In any way, shape, or form, you know?

24:12Rob Lowe:That stuff doesn't bother me. It's, it's, I'm more, I'm more worried about, you know, tanking and things like that. Right.

24:20Rich Eisen:I, I, I hear you on that. And just one last thing on the subject matter. So when the NFL turned 100, there was a show called the NFL 100 all time team. And I was, what an honor to have been asked to host it. So I hosted it and they called me up. They're like, it's going to be at NFL films. We're going to get Chris Collinsworth of NBC. And you'll never guess who the other analyst is going to be. I'm like, who? And they said, it's Bill Belichick. And I'm like, holy shit, like, really? And they're like, yeah, Bill is carving three days out of his schedule in May. So we're going to fly out and you're going to host it at NFL Films.

24:59Rich Eisen:And I'd never really, I mean, I'd met Bill before a couple of times. before that the most extensive interaction I ever had with him was when I hosted the New England Patriots kickoff dinner one season where the whole team comes in and hangs out with some season ticket holders and some local business folk of the greater Massachusetts and New England area and Robert Kraft is there and it's a big to-do and Belichick basically told me, sat me down. He goes, listen, the only thing I would need from you is just keep this shit moving, okay? Because we got to get this now. We got practice in the morning.

25:41Rich Eisen:I just don't want to be here till nine. 10 o 'clock. I mean, we just don't need it, all right? Just, you know, I know you're good at what you do, but just, you know, joke here or there. Just move it along, all right? It's basically what he said to me. Oh, my God, that's amazing.

25:58Rob Lowe:I wish I was there for that. That's what he said.

26:00Rich Eisen:I'm like, you know, basically like, yes, sir. Oh, yeah. And, you know, I said to him, like, what time do you want me to hit? I mean, it's like 9 o 'clock, you know, quarter to 8, quarter to 9 or whatever. And it was like 8.50 as I'm saying goodbye. And I looked right down at him. I'm like, do your job, right? Do your job. I did my job. So that was the extent of my relationship with him, essentially, other than just rarely getting an interview with him. But hanging out with that guy for two, three days was unbelievable. And of the many impressions I got is that if the all-time greats thought he was a fraud, right, with the cheating, or he was cheating the game by cheating, not us every one of them when they walked in because we had all sorts of in-studio guests ray lewis and jim brown and emmett smith and mean joe green and just to name four um farve all of them that you'd think that they would kind of give him a cold shoulder whatever they all went up to him and as if he was a peer which he was because he was on the 100 all-time team.

27:17Rich Eisen:I didn't get a whiff of a scent of a hint that they thought he was not one of them. And the other thing I thought when he would just break down games and he was a historian, so some of these 100 all-time team members were from the black and white era of film, like from the 40s and the 50s and the 30s. We would leave it up to him because he was such a historian. He knew exactly what they would do. He would break it down on a coach's clicker. It was amazing. He knew everything. And I just thought to myself, how the hell did anybody ever beat him as a coach? How the hell would that happen? I'll never forget it, man.

27:57Rich Eisen:That guy's something else. I always wanted to do a press conference like Bill.

28:05Rob Lowe:Literally do, you got a movie, you know, you're talking to the people who run the Golden Globes. Yeah. Whatever. You're promoting something. It's a junket. Yeah. And just be like, it's a good movie. It's comedy. People like them. That sounds great, Rob. Tell me a little bit more about working with Jodie Foster. She's a good woman. She works really hard at her job. She's great in the movie. Yeah, we're moving on. How fucking amazing would that be?

28:34Rich Eisen:We're moving on to Goldmember. yeah yeah we'll move on to go well you weren't in that gold member right i was not you were in two

28:41Rob Lowe:right i was in um which one i had a a scene cut in austin one okay and then uh all over austin and all over yeah austin too and apparently there there's talk of uh get out of here yeah a new one come on yeah it was i was i talked to mike this week i was just talking to him okay and um you I don't know if it'll happen. This is no way an announcement, but it's just something he's been thinking about a long time. But it would be great. I mean, I think the world needs more Austin Powers.

29:14Rich Eisen:You just need more laughing. You need more feel-good, man. You need more nostalgia. I love it. You love movies.

29:19Rob Lowe:Big time. You're a huge movie fan.

29:20Rich Eisen:I'm a big pop culture guy. You notice when you come on my show, I'm always up for your current project, but I always want to dive into the other stuff. And I find on my show, when I have somebody like you on, you know, talking about some of your more favorite and famous projects, and you tell a backstory, you tell another story, you're like, this happened, that happened. Fans can't get enough of it. The engagement of it, the Instagram version of it, you know, the Reels version of it, can't get enough of it. People can't get enough of stuff like that. And it's a spoke on the pop culture wheel as thick and unbreakable as sports is.

30:05Rich Eisen:It is. What's your favorite story that an actor has told you, a behind-the-scenes story?

30:11Rob Lowe:Oh, man. Because you have favorite movies. I think you've had Kevin Pollak on a lot.

30:18Rich Eisen:He loves telling. Yeah, he tells great Tom Cruise stories and a few good men stuff. A few good men stories. Seinfeld told us the backstory of the famous George Costanza soliloquy about the sea was angry that day, my friends, where he pulled the title list out of the marine biologists is the name of the episode where he grabbed the title list out of the whale blowhole that Kramer had hit the golf ball into. And he told basically the story that marine biologist episode that George was dating marine biologists and Kramer was hitting golf balls at the beach, but they never connected the two. And they came up with the idea the night before that the ball that Kramer was hitting on the beach was going to land in the whale's blowhole.

31:12Rich Eisen:and he and Larry David overnight wrote the speech that Costanza that um you know uh Jason Alexander was going to deliver the next day and they said here's a speech learn it overnight and he nailed it and the the my favorite part of the way Seinfeld tells the story now is that he says that when they cut away to him and his eyes are like bug-eyed and his mouth is open he's not acting he's legitimately stunned that jason alexander is letter word for word perfect in delivering something that he had just been given you know moments before that makes and nails it so stuff like that like a like a i mean so many people quote that that soliloquy and now they get a backstory from it, from Jerry Seinfeld himself.

32:02Rich Eisen:I mean, that's the mother load, man. Yeah.

32:04Rob Lowe:I, I got to golf with Larry David recently. It was great. And you know what I love about Larry David? Um, and other people like him who deliver on being Larry David. Like if I, if I'm with Larry David, I don't, I don't want to make, you know, actually in person, he's kind of, you know, I don't want to be surprised I want Arnold Schwarzenegger to be Arnold Schwarzenegger I want Bill Belichick if I meet Bill Belichick I don't want to be hey Rob gosh I really love Austin Powers I want to be hey Rob how you doing good to see you I want people to be who I imagine them to be and Larry David did not disappoint we get out on the tee I hit a terrible drive.

32:59Rob Lowe:Yes. Everybody goes, take another. Are you sure? He goes, take another. I take another, rip it right down the middle. I go to that ball. He goes, wait a minute. Your ball's back there. You told me to take another. He goes, yeah, I said take another. I didn't say you could play it. And it's like a Larry David. It's a vintage Larry David moment.

33:26Rich Eisen:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's like a curved moment. Like, wait a minute. I thought you were giving me the grace.

33:31Rob Lowe:And then it becomes a whole thing.

33:33Rich Eisen:Now it's your fault. I love that. That is so freaking great. Although I don't want to burst your bubble about Belichick. There's no doubt he would talk to you about what you've done for a living.

33:45Rob Lowe:Oh, it's obvious.

33:46Rich Eisen:And what he's liked and doesn't like. Because he is definitely a pop culture guy in a way that you wouldn't expect. More music, maybe. I've never really spoken movies with him, but just another quick story from that NFL 100 show. So Mean Joe Green is there.

34:05Rob Lowe:Best commercial ever.

34:08Rich Eisen:So we're coming in from a commercial break. We're not shooting it live. We're shooting it piecemeal. So we're coming out of, though, a break. We've just finished a segment. We're about to start another one. And Bill Belichick says to me, you know, about a minute before we're probably going to start. He says, would you mind if I asked the first question? And I'm like, damn, I never thought I would ever get that question posed to me by Bill Belichick. I'm like, of course, you know. And I'm sitting there thinking to myself as we're coming back from getting ready. And I'm like, what's he going to ask?

34:41Rich Eisen:Like, is it the steel curtain defense? Or, you know, what did Chuck Knoll tell you, you know, before? Where were you, you know, for the immaculate reception on the sideline? It could go anywhere with me and Joe Green. And we come back and I'm like, all right, we're back here on the NFL 100 all-time team show. Coach, the floor is yours or something like that. And he says to him, he goes, that soda commercial you shot, how many takes was it? How many sodas did you have to drink before you got the shot? And I'm like, get the fuck. Like, that's where he went. Like, the modern day Lombardi has one shot at asking me, Joe Green, a question.

35:20Rich Eisen:And he wants to talk about having a Coke and a smile. You know? It's the best. It is, though. It really is. Thanks, Mean Joe. Hey, kid, catch.

35:29Rob Lowe:Ugh.

35:30Rich Eisen:You know? And he said that he drank like 30 bottles of that soda. I remember. He is guzzling.

35:38Rob Lowe:Yeah, yeah. He's not doing that fake actor drinking. No.

35:43Rich Eisen:Or fake actor thinking. Well, you would know what the art of trying to make it look something. Fake it.

35:48Rob Lowe:Yeah, because you're going to. Because that thing. he's not a pro. See, if Mean Joe were an actor, he wouldn't have had 30. He would have three. That's it. He would know. He'd be like, you know what, this is never going to use this angle. I'm just going to fake sip it. But no, it's like, well,

36:01Rich Eisen:he's got to empty the bottle. So I guess he had no choice. There is no AI back in 1970, whatever.

36:07Rob Lowe:He'd never heard of editing.

36:09Rich Eisen:Mean Joe Green. Not his forte. Editing was that. He just saps the quarterback. That's all he did for a living.

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39:24Rob Lowe:So, so amazing.

39:25Rich Eisen:I got one more story about me and Joe Green. Yeah, hell yeah. I'll tell you that. I'm full with these stories, man. you've been so kind of telling me stories so I'll tell you another one about the respect people had in the NFL for Mean Joe Green Marshall Falk told me this story so Marshall one day on the Rams playing the Arizona Cardinals Mean Joe Green was an assistant coach might have been even back in the Phoenix Cardinals days and there was a running back on the Cardinals that was lighting the Rams up and was just yapping at the defense all day. And it pissed off Marshall because the guy wasn't all that good.

40:07Rich Eisen:And so, and he was disrespecting his teammates. So Marshall ripped off this massive run on the Cardinals and on the way back to the huddle, just gave a whole bunch of shit down the line. Every human being in the Cardinals sideline was getting it from Marshall Falk. And he realizes he's going through. one of those people was Mean Joe Green standing there looking at Marshall Falk getting MF'd by MF28. And Marshall said, he realized that he caught himself before he goes back to the huddle, went right up to Mean Joe Green. He says, not you, Mr. Green. Not you. I didn't mean you.

40:46Rob Lowe:He's called Mean Joe Green.

40:47Rich Eisen:For a reason.

40:48Rob Lowe:Not nice, forgiving. Nice and forgiving Joe Green. That's an alternative universe.

40:54Rich Eisen:Nice and forgiving Joe Green.

40:56Rob Lowe:Yeah. As a movie fan, we should play my favorite game together. Let's do it. Okay. So my favorite game are, so for people who don't understand how things are written, a lot of times there's a writer's room. Right? And it's writers sitting around eating bad pizza, watching YouTube, talking about their daily lives and eventually, eventually getting down to the task at hand, which let's say it's writing a comedy or whatever. And they're pitching jokes. What if he says this? What if he says, just like you said, the Seinfeld story. Sure. I like to imagine a writer's room where they are thinking of what's going to become a famous movie moment, but they pitch an alternative version of the line that has become famous.

41:50Rob Lowe:Okay. For example, I know you're a big Few Good Men. Sure. Instead of like, so I think when Kathy really gets his goat on the stand.

42:05Rich Eisen:Yeah. What if he says, I want you to answer.

42:13Rob Lowe:That's right. And he says, you don't enunciate well enough. Yeah, right.

42:22Rich Eisen:Okay.

42:23Rob Lowe:It doesn't have the same.

42:24Rich Eisen:You don't deserve my response.

42:28Rob Lowe:You don't deserve, yeah, doesn't quite.

42:30Rich Eisen:Doesn't have the same, like you can't handle the truth.

42:34Rob Lowe:Godfather. We negotiated and I think my offer's pretty good. Doesn't really have the same. Gone with the wind. Frankly, Scarlett. Whatever. I could take it or leave it. Isn't quite, you just go down the line of great.

42:57Rich Eisen:Okay. So should I come up with what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. Okay. What's a good one? Hmm. Okay. Life's like a bag of potato chips or something like that, right? All right. There's something similar to that. In Jaws, I think this boat is not the right size. so you're you're you're more practiced at this than i am um yeah what is another one here

43:32Rob Lowe:god bless it there's so many good okay well you just think of one of the most famous one-liners oh at the end of rocky instead of is adrian here where is she Where are you, Adrian? Raise your hand.

43:51Rich Eisen:What section is she in? What section is she in? Wait a minute. We didn't get a better seat? Wait, wait. And then, instead of Ain't Gonna Be Noreen,

44:03Rob Lowe:I don't want to fight again. I don't want to fight you again.

44:05Rich Eisen:Oh, my God. Come on, Rock. Come on. You're really good at this. You know? That's what's up. I always have to look it up. Is it crap, lightning, and eat thunder, or you eat lightning and crap? You know that line? I want you to crap thunder. Eat lightning and crap thunder. I think that's one.

44:26Rob Lowe:I think that's a favorite. He'll hate you. Time and act.

44:32Rich Eisen:Burgess Meredith's finest, yeah. This is good.

44:36Rob Lowe:It's a good one. I just need to listen. You're a big Butch Cassidy. It's got to be a famous line from Butch Cassidy.

44:42Rich Eisen:Well, the sting is my favorite.

44:43Rob Lowe:Oh, well, keep thinking, Butch. That's what you're good at.

44:46Rich Eisen:That's right. So you could be like...

44:48Rob Lowe:You could be like... Keep workshopping. You're going to workshop it? Butch...

44:52Rich Eisen:Yeah.

44:53Rob Lowe:Butch, you really have some good ideas all the time. Not.

44:58Rob Lowe:Stupid. Really stupid. The Sting is a great movie.

45:02Rich Eisen:That's my favorite. Is it your favorite movie? Number one. All the time. I've watched it over...

45:06Rob Lowe:It's Lanigan.

45:07Rich Eisen:My favorite drama is The Sting, and my favorite comedy is one of two. It's Midnight Run.

45:15Rob Lowe:Yeah.

45:16Rich Eisen:Or The In-Laws.

45:18Rob Lowe:They're very -

45:20Rich Eisen:The old school in-laws. The old school one.

45:23Rob Lowe:Serpentine. The Peter Falk, Alan Arkin in-laws

45:29Rich Eisen:where he senses that Peter Falk is full of shit at the dinner table talking about being a CIA guy openly, which would throw you that you're, that he's not on the up and up is he basically said that they had a problem and in an African nation, cause there's a lot of red tape in the bush and amazing. And Alan Arkin's response is there's a lot of red tape in the bush. Like that's what he, I just, that movie to me stands the test of time, but midnight run is the other one. Those are my favorite movies.

46:03Rob Lowe:The sting I was watching the other day.

46:05Rich Eisen:So good,

46:05Rob Lowe:man. It's so good. and we're talking about fake eating.

46:09Rich Eisen:Yes.

46:09Rob Lowe:Robert Shaw, where he invites Redford up to his room and Robert Shaw's eating room service.

46:16Rich Eisen:Do you want to know how every, how do you do it? Right, yeah.

46:19Rob Lowe:You're post, what are you, you're post, post, you're past posted, aren't you? You're past posted, aren't you? And he's, he is eating so much food and it's not fake eating, he is housing.

46:30Rich Eisen:Yeah.

46:31Rob Lowe:That eggs Benedict.

46:33Rich Eisen:Yes.

46:33Rob Lowe:Or whatever. And it makes the scene so good. Like Tony Soprano ate on hoagies or whatever the hell. He ate all the time on screen. It was so good.

46:44Rich Eisen:Brad Pitt, right? In Oceans, right? And he's eating in every scene, I think.

46:49Rob Lowe:He's in the Hall of Fame. Of eating. Of movie eating Hall of Fame.

46:52Rich Eisen:I didn't know there was such a thing. What city is that in? What city has the movie eating Hall of Fame? Yeah. Where is that?

46:59Rob Lowe:It might be Green Bay. Somewhere where the food is like really yummy and not good for you.

47:06Rich Eisen:Correct. A lot of fried food.

47:09Rob Lowe:Yeah.

47:10Rich Eisen:There's cheese curds. Might be the only thing he didn't eat in Ocean's Eleven.

47:16Rob Lowe:I'd run into Brad right after that movie came out and told him, which I loved it.

47:20Rich Eisen:Yeah.

47:20Rob Lowe:And the movie was just out. So there was no, people hadn't time to really break it down like you and I just did. I love how your character eats all the time and he goes, oh, shit, did I do it too much?

47:34Rich Eisen:Is that what he said?

47:37Rob Lowe:Pretty good.

47:38Rich Eisen:Well, and that game that you just mentioned too is Schwarzenegger tells the story all the time about I'll be back is I will be back because he wanted to say the other.

47:46Rob Lowe:I might come back here. It's just like, can you imagine? I shall return.

47:51Rich Eisen:That's not the same thing.

47:52Rob Lowe:Right?

47:52Rich Eisen:Yeah. And he said, I'll be back. Oh, how about Clint Eastwood, could say, go ahead.

48:02Rob Lowe:Make me happier than I am right now.

48:06Rich Eisen:So, how do you, are you feeling fortunate? How fortunate are you feeling right now?

48:14Rob Lowe:Luke, I am related to you in a way that will be surprising. It's so stupid.

48:23Rich Eisen:I would love this game. It's the stupidest game ever. It is fun. It's a stupid. Just got to choose the right. You got to choose the right one.

48:30Rob Lowe:Yeah. You got to choose the right one. This is a great one. You're like driving across country or like, yeah, you're, it's just a dumb, dumb, stupid game. Um, let me ask you this. Sure. You, how do we feel about the Giants head coach Harbaugh?

48:51Rich Eisen:Yes.

48:52Rob Lowe:If he'd have waited a week.

48:54Rich Eisen:He'd have gotten Josh Allen as opposed to Josh Allen. Yeah.

48:57Rob Lowe:I still go for Giants. Oh.

49:00Rich Eisen:For sure. Not even a question. Oh, I think so. Right? Yeah. Yeah.

49:03Rob Lowe:Okay. I thought so.

49:04Rich Eisen:I mean, listen, coaching Josh Allen would be spectacular. He's a beast. I don't know if the Bills would have gone in that direction. I have no idea. I mean, timing is absolutely everything with these things, too. So, yeah, he wasn't going to wait another week. He just wanted to move and act. and being the head coach of the Giants is pretty frigging sweet.

49:27Rob Lowe:I always thought Belichick would eventually end up back there.

49:30Rich Eisen:Me too. I thought so as well, but they were not, I mean, I don't think they were interested in, again, no matter how great he is, you do want to have somebody that's going to be around for, if it works, for 10 years. 10, 12, 15 years. Yeah. So I just didn't think that timing was right.

49:50Rob Lowe:You going to the Super Bowl?

49:51Rich Eisen:I am, sir.

49:52Rob Lowe:Me too. Oh. I'll see you there.

49:54Rich Eisen:You're going to wear your hat?

49:55Rob Lowe:I'm going to wear it again because I'm giving it to you afterwards.

49:57Rich Eisen:Well, you're giving it on loan. Yes. Again, you're giving me your NFL cap on loan. I am giving Rich -

50:03Rob Lowe:It's the scene of the crime as well. It is the scene of the crime. It is. Rich, his set is amazing. It's got every piece of sports memorabilia you could ever, ever possibly want to see. Yes. And cultural, not just sports.

50:16Rich Eisen:Yes.

50:16Rob Lowe:I think cultural would be fair enough.

50:18Rich Eisen:Mm-hmm.

50:19Rob Lowe:And I am going to put on loan -

50:22Rich Eisen:Yes, sir.

50:22Rob Lowe:my NFL hat to you.

50:26Rich Eisen:And it will be...

50:27Rob Lowe:We already negotiated the placement, correct?

50:29Rich Eisen:Exactly. It is right above an old school 1980s brick cell phone autographed by both Michael Douglas and Charlie Sheen. It's not...

50:40Rob Lowe:The Wall Street brick phone. The Wall Street

50:42Rich Eisen:where, like, this is your wake-up call, pal. You know. Oh, that's a great one. That's another one, too. There you go. What would it be? It would be... Hey, buddy, are you awake?

50:51Rob Lowe:Or how about... Greed makes me happy. That's right. No.

50:56Rich Eisen:It's another good one. Yeah, yeah. Something like that. It's all those. Yeah, like this is your wake up call, buddy. It's Bud Fox. This is your wake up call. So yeah, that's where your hat will go. On loan, of course. On loan. Although we did just have, because I love shrinking and he's a great guest too. Ted McGinley just came on.

51:14Rob Lowe:Oh, he's great.

51:15Rich Eisen:And said that he would be willing to, on loan, give us his white suit from the love boat that he used to wear. Oh, boy. I said, bring it. Because he says it's moldy. He still has it. He doesn't know what he's going to do with it. I'm like, we'll take it. We'll dry clean it. We'll take it.

51:32Rob Lowe:Those were the years when...

51:33Rich Eisen:Oh, yeah, man.

51:34Rob Lowe:Theme songs. I wish theme songs were still a thing. We were talking about this the other day, too. I just love it.

51:39Rich Eisen:A guy who belongs to the golf club that I'm at, Mike Post. You know, and he... Wrote every great theme song. Rockford Files, Hill Street Blues, just to name, obviously, too.

51:51Rob Lowe:I mean, those are... Rockford Files is the one for me.

51:54Rich Eisen:You could make the case. It's the greatest theme song.

51:58Rob Lowe:It's so good. Like I have a visceral.

52:01Rich Eisen:Yes. Physical reaction when I hear that song.

52:05Rob Lowe:Oh yeah.

52:05Rich Eisen:I'm with you. Right? Yes. He wrote, you know, all the Botchgo shows and he, he is the king of that. There's just, I don't know. Now it's. You know why they don't do it? Because it takes too long. You got to stream. you don't want people to get out of it in five seconds.

52:22Rob Lowe:The writers want more time to tell the story.

52:24Rich Eisen:Got it.

52:24Rob Lowe:They don't even, forget theme songs. They don't even have credits. That's true. And the writer, people just want, but on -

52:32Rich Eisen:Did Breaking Bad, was that the first one that was just - Where they just went - Where it was just a quick five seconds and that's it. It's probably one of them. You know what I mean? Like I'm trying to figure out when they first started doing that.

52:44Rob Lowe:Well, I can say because the West Wing was the last, The West Wing and The Sopranos were the last big shows that I remember. Other than streamer shows like Game of Thrones, it goes on forever.

52:57Rich Eisen:I love it, though.

52:57Rob Lowe:It goes literally forever. I grew a beard, like one of those, waiting for that fucking show to start.

53:04Rich Eisen:My wife is the queen of skip intro. I hate it. I love the intro. I do, too. We kind of, like, look at each other when the music starts for a show open. we kind of lock eyes because she knows I want to watch it and I know she wants to hit skip intro I mean all the Taylor Sheridan shows I love the I love the opens to them I think they're some of them they they look like a Bond movie opening they make me feel like yes

53:33Rob Lowe:they make me up yeah it sets you up it's like yeah this is fucking happening man and I'm doing this

53:38Rich Eisen:I don't care that I've binge watched eight of them already and I've seen this open a thousand

53:42Rob Lowe:times literally the Sopranos one because Cheryl and I used to fight over the Sopranos one now now Now, look, it's true. That might be the most boring. It's so boring that I love it. It's like he gets in the car, he drives. There's B-roll of a plane. Yeah. There's B-roll of a sign. It's Newark Airport. It's the New Jersey Turnpike. I'm from Staten Island. I know exactly his entire trip. His route. And then he gets, oh, here's the other thing that I love about old TV is they were, the opening sequences, it was like, it was almost like, you know, if people don't understand how the main character gets to work, I don't think the show works.

54:16Rob Lowe:do you ever notice that it's always sure the new heart show yeah all the shows were them coming out of their homes yeah and getting to work yeah that's true as if we wouldn't

54:27Rich Eisen:understand the show yeah barney miller was walking the streets of new york a little bit before walking into the precinct the odd couple the odd couple holy they're always like that is one of the great i all right i might have to amend i might have to amend you know what else freeze frames to divorce men freeze frames yeah well that that that was also my favorite part of police squad oh my god the six episode run that led to frank drebin getting a film series where the end they would freeze yes play the theme music and you'd see like the the arms sort of lower down yeah you know oh god those freezes yeah the freezes were all over barney miller because I am, dude, I've got a sickness when it comes to this sort of stuff.

55:16Rich Eisen:I know you do. I can't get enough of it. I can't get enough of show opens. You know, we played a game of true or false with Joe Burrow when he came on my show before he got drafted about things because he was going to definitely be a Cincinnati Bengal. And even though he's from Athens, Ohio, we quizzed him on what's true or false about Cincinnati. And I just said, you know, the greatest radio station in Cincinnati is WKRP. It went right over his head. He's a baby. I felt so old.

55:46Rob Lowe:He's a baby.

55:47Rich Eisen:Well, there's a guy named Venus Flytrap. And let me tell you something, Joe. You know, like, it's a sickness of mine. But by the way, great show open there, too. So good. Because some of them, you know, like, so I'll ask you this. Do you prefer an old school show open with lyrics or you don't? Oh. Because Rockford Files doesn't have lyrics. You know what I mean? Listen, Greatest American Hero. Believe it or not, I'm walking on air. Amazing. Right. WKRP Cheers, where everybody knows your name. The Happy Days theme. Friends.

56:19Rob Lowe:Laverne and Shirley. Schlemiel Schlamazel.

56:22Rich Eisen:Haas and Pfeffer Incorporated.

56:23Rob Lowe:Do you know what the difference between a Schlemiel and Schlamazel is? I don't. Should I? Yes. Okay. Here's what it is. A Schlemiel.

56:33Rich Eisen:Yes.

56:35Rob Lowe:spills the drink. A schlamazel has the drink spilled on them.

56:41Rich Eisen:Now, you would want to be one of the few people I know that I'd be able to legitimately ask this question to and believe the answer that I think it is. Did Gary Marshall himself tell you this difference? He did. He did. He did. I mean, there's very few people on the planet that could... Gary Marshall, he was at my wedding

57:05Rob Lowe:Gary Marshall I believe this

57:06Rich Eisen:I believe I would believe nothing else than that you know like that you got the actual

57:13Rob Lowe:I got Gary Marshall to do a comedy punch up of my character in Wayne's World what do you mean I was like I'd gotten Wayne's World

57:21Rich Eisen:yeah

57:23Rob Lowe:and and I was like wanted to get it punched up wanted to make it as good as I could get I wanted to like and and I think my wife was working with Al Pacino at the time as she was his makeup artist. And Al had a group of like writers that he would just on standby for anything he ever did to just punch up his, I was like, I'm going to try that. I know, Gary Marshall, comedy genius. He's a mutual friend. And he wrote me, I remember him, he writing me this very elaborate speech for my character, but it was in Gary Marshall cadence. It was like, and that was a, it was like, you had to do it like Gary Marshall, like a Brooklyn guy.

58:00Rob Lowe:Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember doing it and Lorne Michaels going, hmm. I go, Gary Marshall wrote it. He goes, no, right, no, no, it's funny, but is it the right kind of funny? So it never made it into – Never made it into – Yeah, Gary Marshall, ghostwriter of Wayne's World.

58:20Rich Eisen:Oh, my God. But you have to wonder, like, five-minute scenes where somebody's, it's their only scene of a movie, and it becomes one of the most memorable parts of a movie, if not, if in certain cases, award-winning. Gary Marshall in Lost in America telling Albert Brooks that your money is gone. That it doesn't matter about you. Do I look like Santee Claus? Santee Claus. Amazing. You lost. You lost. You know. Is that what he says? I lost. The nest egg is gone. Right, right. He once said the Desert Inn, he came up with the concept. Desert Inn has heart. Right, because he was the ad executive coming up with the campaign to center around the one time that the Desert Inn is giving the money back to the loser.

59:11Rob Lowe:It's amazing.

59:12Rich Eisen:And his and Gary Marshall, you know, sort of finding him funny and going along with it until he's insulted. He goes, you know, we're done now. We're done now. And that's the end of the scene. We're done here or something like that. That is truly. Lost in America is a great one. Right.

59:30Rob Lowe:I would put Lost in America. I think you need to reconsider. For comedy? And put Lost in America. I haven't seen it in a while. Because I feel like your two are too similar to me. Really? midnight run and and the in-laws i know one's a rut but i guess both are road buddy buddies sort of

59:49Rich Eisen:you know um you know guys learning each other and then something about themselves at the same time

59:57Rob Lowe:i could see that a little bit also a big fan of um albert brooks in um what's the one where he's he's brokenhearted and he's modern romance. Modern romance.

1:00:09Rich Eisen:Sure.

1:00:10Rob Lowe:That's a great one. Yeah,

1:00:11Rich Eisen:that is a great one. That is a great one. But yeah, I, Gary Marshall, I wish his character was in more of that film in the same way. Dennis Farino was all throughout midnight run. His, his scenes with the Philip Baker hall were just the best, the absolute best.

1:00:33Rob Lowe:The deserted. has heart the desert and has heart he does it like five times just melting and the other thing is um is uh albert brooks has one of he's it's not his death scene but he kills cranston in the movie i think it's drive yeah oh yeah and that's an amazing scene where he cuts his wrist He goes, it's okay, it's over. It's over now. It's over.

1:01:01Rich Eisen:He's awesome. Albert Brooks is the greatest. That is the creepiest, most gnarly. It's over.

1:01:08Rob Lowe:It's all right. It's over now. Oh, it's so good.

1:01:11Rich Eisen:And casting him in that role. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you. So good. Yeah, I can't get enough of it.

1:01:17Rob Lowe:What's your favorite movie of the year?

1:01:18Rich Eisen:My issue with the movie of the year is because I do what I do for a living. I haven't seen many of the best picture.

1:01:27Rob Lowe:Of what you've seen. The Sinners.

1:01:29Rich Eisen:sinners sinners yeah sinners it's pretty spectacular god so i didn't see sinners in the theater um i for some reason i don't know it's so rare for me i have a 17 and a 14 and a 12 year old i found myself alone in my house one night like the greatest you know for me when my kids are gone or they're out of the house whatever for days in a row first night is the fucking greatest You know what I mean? Like, this is great. This is the way life used to be, right? That's right, yeah. And then after a while, I don't know what to do with myself, you know? And then I just realized, where are the kids? But anyway, so this first night, I'm like, you know what I'm going to do?

1:02:15Rich Eisen:I'm going to watch Sinners. And I put the movie on and it starts getting wild. It starts getting really wild. And I'm like, you know what? this is weird, but I'm going to do this anyway. I'm going to put the alarm on. Because not like I'm thinking there are vampires outside of my house. But I know it's not rational. What I did was not rational. But I'm going to put the alarm on. So I put the alarm on. And then the scene, I don't want to give too much away, but I'm sure most people have seen it. When the vampires really start hitting. It was some wild, loud scene that I guess I had the volume on too high.

1:03:03Rich Eisen:It set off one of the glass breaks. No way. Here I was setting the alarm through some irrational fear that vampires were outside my house. And then the vampires show on screen and the alarm goes off. I lost my shit. and the only other time like that in my life was years and years obviously before my parents were out of the house and they had set the vcr timer to go off for their favorite show that they were recording and i was watching the shining for the first time and the vhs machine went off on its own and I lost my shit there too. So it was, Sinners was that believable. And also I sit there and I wonder, how the hell does Ryan Coogler think of this?

1:03:54Like, here's what I'm going to do.

1:03:58Rich Eisen:I'm going to do something like Sinners. I'm going to come up with a thoroughly, out of whole cloth, outrageously original idea. And then I'm going to make it look beautiful. And then I'm going to cast Michael B. Jordan it's two different people but they're the same you know they're twins how and then soundtrack and music and how the where did that come from like how the hell does somebody sit down and then put it on paper and communicate it to other people about how to bring it to life to me that that's what makes it the best AI will never do that no hell yeah never ever Never. And so it's so original and it's so beautifully shot and so incredibly acted.

1:04:48Rich Eisen:And it scared the shit out of me. And that is the best movie I've seen this year.

1:04:53Rob Lowe:Let's catch up up there for sure.

1:04:55Rich Eisen:Let's do it.

1:04:56Rob Lowe:Let's do it.

1:04:56Rich Eisen:I got to get the hat at the very least. The hat's coming, baby. Although I might just give you the address because I wanted game worn. By the way, not many famous hats like that alone. because you said it was part of like an NFL PowerPoint presentation, right? Yeah, it is.

1:05:15Rob Lowe:Goodell says he uses that picture of me in that hat in the NFL PowerPoint.

1:05:19Rich Eisen:Yeah, because you're rocking the shield, sir. Shield. I play for the shield. And so that in and of itself, just the famous aspect of the hat, for it to be game-worn at an NFC Championship game and a Super Bowl by Rob Lowe. That's a good point. Game-worn. I think I need, I think I need, I think a game worn twice, not just any game. It's not like some week 14 game between, you know, a three and six and a four and five team. No, this, the stakes are at its highest when you're rocking the shield lid.

1:05:50Rob Lowe:You need to up your insurance policy.

1:05:52Rich Eisen:Okay.

1:05:53Rob Lowe:In the studio. Understood. This is great, brother. Thank you. So, so fun. Thanks for doing it.

1:05:58Rich Eisen:Anytime.

1:06:05Rob Lowe:Thank you, Rich. Always a pleasure having you on. I will get you the NFL hat shortly, but you've got to insure it. And thank you all for listening, as always, right here on Literally, and we will be back with more next week. Thank you.

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